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Phil Spencer: "We ignored what was going on with Windows" to launch Xbox

"During his talk, Spencer openly admitted that Microsoft had lost its way when it came to PC gaming, and he's trying to put it back on track. After the presentation, I had a chance to talk for a few minutes about Microsoft's renewed interest in PC gaming and what that means for Windows 10."

curtis923757d ago (Edited 3757d ago )

This guy has single-handedly turned me right around on the xbox brand as a whole. That being said, it's scary to have an entire brand riding on the back of ONE person. Or rather it's scary to only have faith in one person at MS. If he goes, so too will my interest in xbox (again).

wakeNbake3757d ago

He had just as much to do with the initial xbox one vision/reveal as Don Mattrick, difference is, Mattrick was used as a scapegoat, and Spencer was used as a symbol of the 180 they did policy wise.

curtis923757d ago

Or... Mattrick was the suit MS felt would make them money and after that fiasco they genuinely decided to give the guy who was in touch with the real world a shot because even a blind person could see they were DOA.

LexHazard793757d ago

No he didn't. What say did he have in hardware or the vision going forward for Xbox, before being head at Xbox?

KarmaV123757d ago

He was head of the studios, I don't think he had much say in the early visions

Mr-Zex3757d ago (Edited 3757d ago )

That shouldn't have been the case regardless, Microsoft should have known that their policies on launch would have caused controversy and there would be mass backlash. I honestly think that it's still contributing to people not buying an XBOne atm because they don't trust Microsoft.

What I'm trying to say is they've tarnished that name from the get go, though I can appreciate the effort their going to redeem themselves slowly.

Perjoss3757d ago

This.

And the fact that they have done very little when it comes to PC gaming for years now. People will try and spin it but the fact still remains that gears 2 and 3, halo 3 and 4, and all the forza games never got a pc release. They simply dont care about PC gaming.

GFWL? Erm, thanks. I guess...

Death3757d ago (Edited 3757d ago )

Perhaps Microsoft felt supporting PC would take away from Xbox. I get where they are coming from. Anytime Xbox exclusives are mentioned a legion of Playstation fans claim it's not an exclusive since they can play it on their ultra powerful gaming rig too. It's an idiotic notion and I'm glad to see Microsoft realizes they do indeed have two platforms to support. With Windows 10 on PC, tablet, phone and console the install base increases tremendously.

BlackTar1873757d ago

@Death
" I get where they are coming from. Anytime Xbox exclusives are mentioned a legion of Playstation fans claim it's not an exclusive since they can play it on their ultra powerful gaming rig too."

MS heads have never even once used that as part of their thought process or anything close to it.

MS can't be trusted. Sorry they make some cool products like Xbox one and windows etc. but they are by far one of the shadiest companies around and it comes with the territory. You can dislike the MS past they have which is ugly and still enjoy their products. I will get down voted because i said MS is an evil corporation but that's the truth what also is the truth is they make some amazing products.

Death3757d ago

@BlackTar,

What have they done that is evil in your eyes?

BlackTar1873757d ago

@Death
you serious?
Just for Xbox one we got the DRM.

But really i'm not 18yrs old I've been working on computers for about 25+yrs so MS has constantly been in my ear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

It's wiki but the information is true.

Death3757d ago

@Blacktar,

I know their is a fine line between criticism and "evil", but I'm not sure the links you provided shows how Microsoft has done anything evil. The second link you provided was the anti-trust lawsuit from Microsoft giving internet browsers away for free as part of Windows. Being a little older I am sure you remember paying for Netscape just like I did. I actually stayed with Netscape a few years after Internet Explorer was released for free. I only stopped when I felt Internet Explorer was the better browser. By then Netscape was also free and could be downloaded by anyone.

As for Xbox One, the only issue I have with the initial reveal was the fact you couldn't choose to opt in or out of the game ripping/remote access that required a once in 24 hour connection to Live. My consoles are all online 24/7 and I would have loved to use the original features. I don't cower behind the DRM buzzword since I am aware DRM has always and does still exist in our consoles. When either service goes down we see just how much DRM still exists.

Microsoft is a company and like any company they do draw criticism. If they were a non-profit you might have a point.

Sony isn't immune to "evil" behavior either. https://www.ftc.gov/news-ev...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...

It really depends on what you want to see, doesn't it?

BlackTar1873757d ago

@death

You think i'm saying Sony hasn't done anything wrong?

This doesn't have to turn into a Sony vs MS thing unless you personally go out of your way for it too.

Saying what you said provides me with all i need to understand your intent. Have a good day sir.

Death3757d ago

@BlackTar,

My "intent" is that neither company is evil. You seem to think Microsoft is evil for reasons that are not exclusive to Microsoft. When you only see these things as "evil" when Microsoft is involved, you look very transparent. I gave you quick examples of another gaming company that has a less than spotless record. If what Microsoft does makes them evil, then by your own standards Sony is also evil. If you want to come on here and say both companies are evil I won't stop you. If you only see one as evil though it is because that is what you want to believe and not something based on truth.

N4g_null3757d ago

If MS wants to do a real 180 they will allow cross platform gaming online. PC doesn't need the games listed... people want real PC games that maximize their hardware not support for 6 year old GPUs.

I\m sort of glad the xbox one failed to do what they wanted it to do and now they have to go back to pc to build up 3rd parties again so that next gen they will have more bungies and epic games to make games for them. They are looking really dry this gen.

BlackTar1873757d ago

Death this article is about MS i only ever mentioned MS . WHy you feel the need to turn this into MS vs Sony is beyond me and speaks to your agenda.

So i can only talk about MS being evil if i say Sony is evil too? To appease you?

I have no the faintest idea why you think this had to be turned into a sony vs ms thing i mean really why must one mention the other when it's not relevant to the topic? Stop with the you're okay with talking about one as long as both are talked about to make you happy. Whats very transparent is you and your need to shoehorn some other company into the discussion for no reason when the thread of comments you're replying to has no one mention Sony except you.

Sorry if that is harsh but the truth is you're trying way to hard to spread blame when it's not called for.

Death3757d ago

@Blacktar,

Once again, I don't think either company is evil. It would only be a VS thing if you felt one was and not the other. I'm pretty sure after reading the story it was "pro" Microsoft. You are the one coming into it and making claims the company is evil and can't be trusted. I'm fairly certain that wasn't part of the text I read.

You came here trolling a positive Xbox article. I'm not the n4g police and don't care. I was just curious how you came up with your conclusion. Having spent some time on the Microsoft campus in Seattle and meeting some of the people working there I can't say I picked up on anything exorcist worthy. A lot of people stepping on one another to climb the corporate ladder, but that's pretty much any larger companies employees favorite recreational sport.

rainslacker3756d ago

I disliked the policies, but what amazes me more is how completely unprepared they were for the backlash. Their PR plan for getting people on board was abysmal. Given the months of hate about the idea beforehand, there is really no excuse for it.

They were within their right to put the policies in regardless of what any of us think, but they should have at least had the business sense to not be so condescending and ego-maniacal about their own position in the console marketplace.

I like where MS is headed, and I think Phil had something to do with it, but even now, Phil isn't calling all the shots, he has to work among board members and get everything approved through them, and MS will always look out for it's best interest. I like what Phil is pushing, but it's a bit much to say that MS isn't also just allowing him to be some sort of savior for people to look up to as a symbol of change for the Xbox brand.

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hasamalaha3757d ago

Sorry, but I simply don't get this Phil Spencer savior talk concerning the Xbox.

His reversal of certain things (DRM, forced Kinect) were no brainers after the backlash they received. You really can't call him a genius for that.

What exactly has he done for Xbox other than that?

A timed Tomb Raider exclusive?
Massive discount during holiday?

At this point, they are still getting trounced nearly 2-to-1 worldwide.

DX12 is not his either, that was already long in the works.

Death3757d ago

You are correct. DirectX12 has been in the works very long like Windows 10 and the Xbox One. The fact that they will all work together is a testament to that fact.

I see you are one of those that believe DRM doesn't exist today. What do you call it when you install a game to the consoles HDD and it won't play without a disc? What do you say when PSN or Live goes down and you can't play a game? It's all DRM. What you feared was the DRM that allowed games to be ripped to your HDD while still accessing them without traditional disc based verification. This DRM also allowed you access to your entire game library remotely. It also allowed game sharing without passing along a physical disc. Yeah, that's some pretty scary stuff. Glad ignorance prevailed.

hasamalaha3757d ago

Care to point out where I said DRM didn't exist? Sorry, but I didn't. I just said they reversed some policies, which is true.

There were 2 major DRM policies that MS planned to implement, that they backed off on. These were 2 of the major things people blasted them for.

1) 24 hour checkiin. If your Xbone couldn't "check-in" every 24 hours, you could not play any games.
2) Used Games - They were going to force you to charge a fee to sell a used game.

So, yes that is some pretty scary stuff.

TheCommentator3757d ago (Edited 3757d ago )

They weren't forcing any charges for used games. They initially stated that they themselves would not utilize it, but would allow for these charges to be a part of DRM if 3rd party devs wanted to utilize the feature. If you gave a disc to your friend, however, the system would have given the option for your friend to pay for and own a digital only copy of the game without the need to buy it from the marketplace. The game would have still played from the disc on any machine it was put into, with no charge, since the disc is required to play the install from the HDD.

Go back and watch the press release and you'll see that this concept was described but was too complicated to be understood, and it was the media who blew things out of proportion. Hell, I managed a Gamestop at the time and they got a corporate memo clarifying this just after the media blew it up.

It was still a stupid policy to have an OPTION to charge a fee (That's why Gamestop was pissed off) and I'm glad it changed, but we did lose some cool stuff with the transition too.

Macdaddy713757d ago

One he's not going any place, ms has gave him not only the cart the horse also,.. This man got his shit together, MS will be a hard company to beat in the next couple years,.. I love my xbox tons more then my ps4... Please I support MS 100% for the reason they are a born n made great USA company,.. That's very important should be to everyone,.. I play the 4 for games that never will come to Xbox cause I am a gamer,.. But 97% of my money goes to MS..... USA baby

LexHazard793757d ago

I commend your Patriotism.

BlackTar1873757d ago

Maybe American company MS should do better at consumer friendlyness. Sorry i'm American and just cause they are american doesn't mean you should support them just cause. That's stupid.

The_Sage3757d ago

Curtis,

Phil Spenser is leaving Microsoft. It has not been made official yet, but neither Phil, or anyone at Microsoft has denied the rumor. Phil said that he can not comment.

Death3757d ago

Shoot us a link or two please.

The_Sage3757d ago

Death,

I heard about this during the GDC.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2...

Maybe he's going to Nintendo. Lol. That would complete the big 3.

hasamalaha3757d ago

Sage, that is a different Phil....

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uth113757d ago

Windows sales are down as tablets, smartphones, macbooks, chromebooks have cut into PC sales. In spite of the PC slump, PC gaming remains strong, I think that's the real reason MS has rediscovered PC gaming

Ark_3757d ago (Edited 3757d ago )

They rediscovered it, because Valve (SteamOS) is threatening their monopoly as PC-gaming-platform. It's a preventive strike before things get out of hand. DX12 ... same. A reaction to mantle.

I am happy that they are forced to make some effort. Can only be good for all of us.

uth113757d ago

oh yeah, I'm sure SteamOS plays a big part too.

Moldiver3757d ago

"PC gaming remains strong, I think that's the real reason MS has rediscovered PC gaming"

Its not just PC gaming. I work in music production and sound design and you use one of two platforms. Mac or windows. And windows has the wider variety of professional productivity apps for music and video/film production. also windows is used in pretty much every business. As long as the desktops lives (and it always will..just for gamers and creative/business professionals), there will always be windows. For the record I use pro tools (google it) on windows 8. I have also done work for warner brothers and labels under sony's music group umbrella. And MANY people in my profession use windows.

Steam OS is only good for gaming which is why it will never be in a professional working environment. linux puts itself out of the equation because nobody makes creative or business suites for it. Plus windows has all that industry standard legacy software.

uth113756d ago

never say never- my company replaced all the desktops with macs last year. First time I've ever seen it. Nobody there even wants a Windows PC anymore.

Windows is already getting its but kicked by linux in server environments, on smart phones & tablets (android) and set-top boxes.

If SteamOS were to gain traction, that would be yet another area that Windows would feel the heat from Linux.

Moldiver3756d ago

"never say never- my company replaced all the desktops with macs last year. First time I've ever seen it. Nobody there even wants a Windows PC anymore."

First I ever heard of a company doing that...who do you work for? because last time I checked apple are no longer in the enterprise and server business. So that would make your work place the only company running their business on OSX.....

"Windows is already getting its but kicked by linux in server environments"

Err..no it isnt. This much I know to be a FACT.

"on smart phones & tablets (android)"

They were late to that party to begin with.I say that as a samsung galaxy S5 owner.

"and set-top boxes."

huh?...MS dont do set top boxes though.....

"If SteamOS were to gain traction, that would be yet another area that Windows would feel the heat from Linux."

Not gonna happen. linux and steam OS have nothing on windows in the professional/productivity/crea tivity departments. Musicians will never use steam OS or linux because DAW manufactures wont support linux, much less steam OS. I am talking about professionals here,musicians, sound engineers, video and content creators not gamers with the hump over windows. linux/steam offers NOTHING to creative profeesionals and never will. I dont see avid (pro tools), stienberg (cubase) or propellerheads software(reason) or any other creativity programs going to linux. No native ASIO support (which was designed for windows in the first place) They simply dont care for it, and most people inmy profession have never even heard of linux. I know about it because I have two friends that worked at HP for years.

We can debate xbox success all day, but one thing I know for sure is MS/windows strength in business and creative /productivity software support, is untouchable by all but apple, and even their computers are starting to fall out of favour with musicians, sound engineers and videographers/directors,since that new mac pro came out. I would NEVER run a half a million pound recording studio on linux or steam OS. And I dont know anybody crazy or stupid enough to do so. That would be suicide in the industry I work in.

chasegarcia3757d ago (Edited 3757d ago )

Linux gaming gained more support than usual these past few years because they ignored Windows.

nickster3757d ago

I got to be honest, I feel like Phil Spencer is shying away from xbox and seems to take more pride in pc latly. I noticed he likes to talk about pc than xbox in the last2 month's or so, anybody notice that to?

WizzroSupreme3757d ago

I admire Phil Spencer's honesty. It's a refreshing change from the Mattrick double-talk.

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Phil Spencer Teases 2026 As A "Really Special Year" For Xbox

2026 will mark the 25th anniversary of Xbox, and Phil Spencer has teased it as a "really special year" for the games division.

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TheEroica11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You got downvotes by pathetic gamers for feeling hopeful about good games coming out next year. Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy? It is pretty neat to see people's world view blow up in front of them as they realize Microsoft has put themselves in a driver's seat that Sony hasn't been able to touch all generation.... What's even more pathetic is the same people downvoting you are the same people wishlisting Microsoft games on their ps5s 😂

P_Bomb11d ago

“Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy?”

My dude your post history shits on EVERYTHING. You never have a good thing to say about anything lol! 🤣

PanicMechanic11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

“Getting ready for those GaaS reveals! Sony is a shadow of themselves this gen.”

You literally said this a couple of days ago. Start applying the clown make up, you hypocritical jester

derek11d ago

Yep we'll see, they have alot releasing next year.

RaidenBlack11d ago

NGL, next year might be one of the best years in gaming ... starting off with RE9 and GTA VI ...
and then all the good games that's been cooking
Pragmata, Sands of Time, Saros, Gears E-Day, 007 First Light, Blood of Dawnwalker,
Mortal Shell II, Onimusha, Marvel1943: Rise of Hydra
current-gen only Infinity Ward's CoD, Duskbloods
+ My guess: Wolverine, Exodus, Mudang, Crimson Desert, Clockwork etc ...
~ seems like it might get too stacked

1Victor11d ago

@rokos:”Hopefully “
I downvoted you not for been hopeful but because I have seen the same “NEXT YEAR WILL BE SPECIAL “ comment for the last 10+ and hasn’t seen anything special from Microsoft.
I hope next year will be the one that everyone been waiting for since the last 3 years of the Xbox 360, it have to be after over $80 billions spent on acquisitions.

Lightning7711d ago

So the new excuse is they don't count because it's from the ABK now huh. I guess all those 3rd party games count even less because they don't own them. According to your always crappy logic.

InUrFoxHole11d ago

Lol. You haven't seen anything special? Do you even game?

OtterX12d ago

Always with the "next year..."! 😂

neutralgamer199212d ago

I don't know they have delivered this year and even last year. And they have a lot more content in the pipeline right now than anyone else. We can't just keep hating on MS

Indiana Jones
South of midnight
Avowed
Flight simulator
Hell Blade 2
Minecraft update
Gears of war reloaded
Indian Jones:expansion
Gears E day
Clockwork revolution
Fable
Doom the dark ages
The outer worlds 2
Grounded 2
Call of duty

OtterX12d ago

How many of those titles were just buyouts of companies that were going about making their games anyways? *Throws cash - "Oh look what we made!"

dveio12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

This list, that's been posted again, and again, and again in every single topic like this, contains almost nothing, literally almost nothing from Microsoft's own creational thoughtprocess.

It's a bunch of former 3rd party IPs.

Now even slowly returning to Playstation in some cases like Indiana, Hellblade, probably Starfield soon too, after they were made exclusively to Xbox on purpose.

Due to Microsoft's lack for own IP material except Halo & Forza. Which, the lack of, was the sole reason for all of it to happen in the first place anyway. Please don't pretend it wasn't.

And just look at all the games that come from Obsidian alone.

You really think Obsidian wasn't already working on Avowed and South of Midnight even without Microsoft buying Zenimax?

Microsoft delivered nothing but cheques.

OtterX12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@dveio THIS. Lol, this dude thinks Call of Duty wouldn't exist without Microsoft! smh 😂

neutralgamer199212d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Common narrative I see often — that Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for the games its studios release because they “just bought them.” But this viewpoint ignores key context and sets a double standard that other platform holders aren’t held to

No one is saying these games wouldn't exist at all without Microsoft. But let’s not pretend that having a trillion-dollar company backing a studio doesn’t make a massive difference. Obsidian never had AAA funding before the Xbox acquisition. Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded, and their resources were always stretched thin. Now they’re working on Avowed, with proper support behind it.

Ninja Theory’s Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice was made by around 20 people, using borrowed equipment and doing mocap in a boardroom. It was a passion project held together by tape and willpower. Today, Hellblade II exists because they were given resources, time, and freedom — something many developers don’t get unless they’re owned by a company that believes in their vision.

ZeniMax (Bethesda’s parent company) was in real financial trouble before the Microsoft acquisition. Reports and insider accounts have pointed out how much they needed a cash infusion. And while some people want to write off Xbox’s ownership of Bethesda titles, they forget the alternative could have meant layoffs or even closures.

The same goes for Activision Blizzard. Would you really prefer the company to stay under Bobby Kotick, after all the documented workplace misconduct and toxic leadership issues? Say what you want about Microsoft, but their acquisition brought accountability and change to a company that desperately needed it.

At the same time, Xbox gets hated on for doing what every major company does. Sony bought Housemarque, Bluepoint, Insomniac — but no one says Spider-Man 2 “doesn’t count” because of that. Why does Xbox get treated differently for acquiring struggling or undervalued developers and giving them a chance to thrive?

And the idea that Xbox locks games away is outdated. They're pushing cross-platform releases, cloud gaming, Game Pass, and backward compatibility more than any other platform holder. They're not forcing all studios into live service. If anything, their upcoming lineup is less GAAS-heavy and more focused on narrative and creativity — Avowed, South of Midnight, Clockwork Revolution, Fable, Perfect Dark, Towerborne, and others show real variety.

Whether people like it or not, Xbox is now the biggest publisher in the industry and owns the most gaming IPs. But what matters more is how they treat their studios. Most of these teams were previously stuck making AA games with limited scope — now they’re getting the tools and support to aim higher.

So when people say “Microsoft didn’t make those games,” they’re missing the point. It’s not about who started the studio — it’s about who enabled them to do their best work. You don’t have to love Xbox to admit they’ve helped a lot of developers and are taking a player-first approach.

Instead of writing off everything they do, maybe try recognizing the good they’re doing for both devs and gamers. At the end of the day, we should want more studios to succeed — no matter who owns them

BeHunted11d ago

I'm surprised Clockwork Revolution (BioShock meets Dishonored) isn't getting more media attention. The game looks interesting and reminds me of the old RPG games.

anast11d ago

The only good game on that list is Flight sim. The rest are either average or will be average. It's not a good look for MS.

TheEroica11d ago

My god.... Look how many comments are upset about microsoft's successes... 😂 This may be my new favorite thread. Not one gamer saying thanks for all the goodness coming their way, just bitter anger and downvoting the very games they themselves will purchase throughout 2026.... Sony really worked you guys over this generation.... Condolences.

DivineHand12511d ago

@neutralgamer1992 You said what needed to be said.

I have heard for years from older gamers that fanboys are the biggest issue with any fanbase. They will defend or gloss over negative news as long as the correct logo is on the box and they bash the competing platform no matter how much good they are trying to bring.

Right now their advocacy for PlayStation is elevating that platform so high that Sony no longer believes they need to do anything to satisfy their loyal fanbase like they did in the PS4 days.

I just hope most of them will eventually start advocating for themselves and encourage others to do the same. No one should blindly support one platform because these companies do not care about anything other than profit.

neutralgamer199211d ago

Hunted

And first proper game done by the studio with proper AAA budget and saying it will be released when ready

Anast

I believe we went through this before that you are objectively wrong. Meta critic, user reviews, game sales. In Playstation top 10 best selling games were 5 from Microsoft studios

Otter

No this dude is saying so many other studios wouldn't be thriving without MS money and people would be getting abused physically and mentally with Bobby kotick and his side kicks

Also maybe look up how the original founder of Bethesda and zenimax was kicked out of his own company by his best friend lawyer. So that was always a shady place and had been struggling financially before MS paid a premium of almost 7 billion

Eroica

I use to be a die hard Playstation fan and now I only have a Pc. I see how these fans are so toxic. They just can't handle any positive news regarding Xbox. When the best selling games on playstation are Xbox titles. Look at Forza horizon being best seller and that's years old game by MS. I guess ms don't deserve credit for that success too since they are the only company in gaming making acquisitions

Forget the fact Sony paid 3.6 billion for bungie and MS 6.9 for zenimax. Which investment has turned out better

Destiny and marathon with a lot of controversy

While zenimax output is nothing short of amazing compared to what bungie has released

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Yeah it's tricky. "Xbox" has morphed to mean different things to different people.
Console, now Windows, GamePass, and the cross platform games. There's a mix of attitudes towards all those things individually, and maybe an overarching attitude towards MS. But can't argue that the game companies MS recently bought continue to flourish, and GamePass PC has been a great value over the last year.

InUrFoxHole11d ago

@OtterX
You're the dude mad at your exes new guy. She's with someone else... get over it.

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Lightning7711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

They've had good output so far. So waiting for those games shouldn't be a problem.

Who cares if they're buy outs of companies or whatever excuse you want to make. They're games that are being distributed to other console. Play the games and enjoy it instead of fanboying or complaining.

ocelot0712d ago

They going to be a he best and biggest publisher on Xbox, Playstation and PC next year. They not really said anything about Switch 2 though spite claiming to be big supporters.

quenomamen11d ago

If you call making one last Xbox before going full Sega, as Great. Then yea.

TheEroica11d ago

Doesn't feel like you're paying attention to what's happening.

RhinoGamer8811d ago

It will be, his net work will hit 50 million and he plans to buy a new mansion in Cape Cod. Thanks everyone! #failup

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Phil Spencer 'Very Excited' About Xbox Handheld Plans For 2025

With ASUS seemingly teasing an Xbox handheld last week, there's been a lot of talk about the device in the days ever since, and Xbox boss Phil Spencer has also teased something to do with handhelds happening in 2025

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neutralgamer199278d ago

I really hope this isn't a windows based device even though coming from MS that's highly unlikely. SteamDeck is much much easier to use and offers a much better user experience than any other handheld device because it's all based on steam app. The Xbox handheld should be based on that because a Windows device with a 7-8 inch screen makes it's difficult to navigate

darthv7278d ago

Coming from Asus... its going to be an Xbox branded ROG Ally.

neutralgamer199277d ago

That's fine but hopefully it will be a Xbox app based instead of windows

VenomUK77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

When the casual market learn that there’s going to be an Xbox branded Asus handheld they will cancel their Nintendo Switch 2 preorders and get the Asus. No it won’t have exclusive games like Super Mario or Zelda or Metroid or Pilot Wings or Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or Donkey Kong or Pokémon or Super Smash Bros - but who cares as it will have access to the entire library of the Steam Store running on Windows. It will also have access to Game Pass with all the modern day classics like Avowed, Hellblade II and Grounded and Pentiment.

I think we all have to acknowledge that after all the criticism of Switch 2 on ResetEra it’s evidence that it will fail to sell and the Asus will outsell it. Dreamcast pushed Sega out of hardware, we all have to accept that the perfect storm of Switch 2 pricing, an Xbox-branded Asus and Phil Spencer and Aaron Greenberg’s persuasive promotion will likely kill off Switch 2 within a month. AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THAT.

FinalFantasyFanatic77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

@VenomUK,
I don't think that even has a remote chance of happening, Nintendo has so much brand loyalty, even with the backlash on their not so great pricing, I still think it's going to sell, Xbox doesn't have as much brand loyalty. Plus, if it's just Xbox branded ROG Ally or something similar, why not just choose a ROG ally or Steam Deck? They can both do everything that an Xbox branded handheld can. If Xbox is going to compete in the world of windows based handhelds, it has so much competition, it's going to struggle.

You're way too optimistic about the Xbox handheld and the demise of the Switch 2, I'm going to predict the opposite and say the Switch 2 will demolish the Xbox handheld in terms of sales/popularity.

S2Killinit77d ago

@VenomUK
Not sure if sarcasm or satire.

VenomUK77d ago

@S2Killinit Satire. I’m not going to hate on people for being excited for a new console. But what is happening in the Xbox community is something wicked, content creators are hyping up the Asus to their audience about how great this thing is, and how it will be more powerful than the Switch 2 and the Steam Store outweighs any advantage the Switch 2 has with its library of games. I don’t believe they believe it but they are grifting. By all means look forward to it but don’t sell it as a Switch 2 PS5 killer.

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PanicMechanic78d ago

Steam Os is amazing. By far the best. Can’t imagine MS having an OS that can top it (CERTAINLY not windows)

crazyCoconuts77d ago

Well they're gonna try. They've already stated they've been working on it.

FinalFantasyFanatic77d ago

Windows as is, isn't a great experience for a handheld, they really need to make a dedicated handheld OS, unfortunately they've always been hellbent on making a single product for both PC/touch screen use.

I really can't imagine them making something that stands up to Steam OS, it just works so well.

RaidenBlack77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

This is not their in-house made Xbox handheld for next-gen, which is slated for release in 2027 alongside with the next Xbox console, which might run a version of their usual Xbox-ified OS optimized for the handheld.
This is just a brand collab to produce an Xbox branded updated Asus RoG Ally (Project Kennan), which as usual ships with Windows. Think of it as the 5th main competitor in handheld PC market, after Deck, Legion Go, Ally and MSi Claw (I know others exist, but these are the popular ones).
https://wccftech.com/xbox-h...
And RoG Ally didn't get an update this year like the Legion Go, so this Xbox-Asus one might be that?
Anyways, even with 2025 chip upgrade, the Legion Go underperforms compared to 2023 Ally and 2024 Ally X.

crazyCoconuts77d ago

It can't be anything but Windows if it has the Xbox brand on it. Outside of the politics (which would be a showstopper), SteamOS/Linux can't run GamePass natively due to the crazy protections implemented by the Windows Store.

neutralgamer199277d ago

I am not asking the Xbox handheld to run steam, I just wanted a dedicated Xbox app on the handheld that handles everything from playing games, downloading games, gamepass and most importantly all updates are done from that app. Just a better overall user experience

Having to download multiple different things on a Windows based device becomes really a chore in a smaller screen.

crazyCoconuts77d ago

Having the windows handheld auto launch the existing Xbox Windows app will accomplish everything you mentioned, and I'm sure that's what this will be.
Fact is that MS will need to add a lot into that app to incorporate all the system level controls Steam incorporated into their handheld UI.

OmegaSoldati77d ago

Steam Deck for the win! Switch too.

Profchaos77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

It'll be windows all leaks indicate this is a windows based device with a Xbox skin it will integrate other storefronts because at its core it's windows.

@venom there's is no chance that parents will be buying their kids a rog ally setting up steam and other storefronts over a Nintendo switch 2 at Christmas.

That's a mass amount of hopium there.

Portable PC's in total have barely cracked six million sold the switch 2 will continue to dominate the casual crowd all known about it and news of a switch successor has already started spreading in mainstream media

neutralgamer199277d ago

I think switch 2 will do well but dominate I think we need to wait and see. The prices of the console and games is much more than switch so don't expect parents in this inflation time to spend $600 on 2 games and a console. Since it's Nintendo it should sell but I think we are underpaying the importance of the inflated market

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anast78d ago

Every inch of this things is going to be a subservice.

Aloymetal77d ago

And an even bigger flop in the making, it's like they're just throwing crap at the wall and see what sticks or rather find another ''clever'' way to keep squeezing more money from the already miniscule and gullible fanbase. Smfh.

Reaper22_77d ago

Squeezing money. Isn't that what sony is doing with tbe ps5pro. And what about all those remakes and locking some ps4 games to a subscription.

ABizzel177d ago

At first I thought this was a huge mistake on MS part. But after thinking about this more and more, while I still don’t think it’s going to do anything beyond 10 - 20 million in sales, I think that’s exactly what MS and ASUS are expecting and both are okay with.

I assume this is more of Asus saying to MS, look we have ten/twenty million of these handheld PCs already in production and we’ve only been able to sell a couple millions, partner with us and let’s brand them as Xbox handhelds ASUS will do all the heavy lifting so we don’t take a loss on all these, and all MS has to do is market the platform and put your logo, the new Xbox OS/app you’ve been working on, and together we’ll helps each other out and push more GamePass subscriptions.

That make complete logical sense as to why this came about, because otherwise….. So technically it would be a win:win for both companies, or a win for MS and a reduction of loss of ASUS, even if they only sell 10m - 20m units.

As for the handheld itself honestly, it should be solid and most likely based on the Rog Ally 7, but hopefully with the Rog Ally X case as that has a much better port and I/O layout. Plus if the Xbox OS is wayyyyyyy lighter than Windows then it should be a a good piece of tech getting more performance than the Ally 7 Windows version for around $499.

But that’s where the next problem comes into play…..Price. It’s Switch 2 all over again. The slight different is outside of the potential of DLSS, this should be a slightly more powerful handheld, especially if they create their own dock, but that dock will likely be sold separately meaning now we’re looking at $550 or more, for what will essentially be a docked Xbox Series S and a slightly more powerful SteamDeck / Switch 2 in handheld mode.

peppeaccardo77d ago

The Irrelevant-Held will be able to connect to the XFLOP Series X

anast77d ago

ha! It might last longer than the Stadia.

Profchaos77d ago

Basically what windows os turning into now every few weeks logging on I'm greeted with a hey how about some office 365 or your gamepass lapsed how about renewing and decline is in little blue writing while subscribe is a huge button

anast77d ago

This and I also get a pop up to subscribe to Xbox GamePass.

PanicMechanic78d ago

So smart of you caveman Phil sphincter. Did you get the memo on what Nintendo is releasing this year?

Kyizen77d ago

I dont trust Microsoft to build an OS for this looking at the Windows phone so I think this will be just Windows with a Steam like Big Picture mode locked in the UI to launch games.

Rockstar77d ago

This is good advice from Reaper here. I trust your advice and you've got my word...I wont buy it.

Thanks Reaper!

YourMommySpoils77d ago

Then don't complain about facts.

PanicMechanic77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

So in other words, it’s just another ROG Ally. I think MS has a winner🤣🤣

FinalFantasyFanatic77d ago

I remember when my sister bought a Windows phone, that thing was missing so many basic features, she didn't even own the phone for 3 months before getting frustrated and swapping it out.

Profchaos77d ago

I'll be honest I had a older relative that loved the windows phone cause it had a huge dial, contacts and camera button that was all it got used for.

Oh and it was bright green so easy to find

Moral of the story one person's trash is another's treasure

Reaper22_77d ago

Windows phones weren't the best but I also remember sonys phones didn't fare too well either. As a matter of fact they're newest ones aren't doing so great either. Not even in Japan. That says alot.

Profchaos76d ago

@reaper22 honestly Shane about the Sony phones to I brought the Xperia 3 when they announced remote play for it and it was one of the best ones I have had the battery lasted a few days the camera was some obscene 50mp but the physical design lagged behind Samsung and I think that was a huge reason it failed

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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Reassures Xbox Gamers Their Gaming Library Isn't Going Anywhere

Xbox's CEO Phil Spencer assures that, even though they are expanding to other platforms, Xbox gamer's libraries aren't going anywhere.

jznrpg126d ago

Phil, the words of a guy who only speaks the truth.

If I was an Xbox owner I wouldn’t feel comfortable with what he just said

crazyCoconuts126d ago

Reading his quote sounds like word salad. I'm not sure he said anything really.

darthv72126d ago

I'd rather him say more of our library will be made available now. It sucks to have so many 360 era games still stuck in limbo, especially Activision ones now that they are buddy buddy.

VenomUK126d ago (Edited 126d ago )

Sarah Bond had committed to backwards compatibility, so interpreting Phil Spencer’s quote, old Xbox games will always be playable with a PS3 on PSN like cloud solution, and on new hardware if a new Xbox console is ever released.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04...

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Scissorman126d ago (Edited 126d ago )

why does this even need to be reassured? it really goes to show you how nervous there fanbase is.

Eonjay126d ago

Right. I was thinking the same thing. This shouldn't be some sort of 'benefit' for Xbox gamers as MS goes to Sony and Nintendo... This should just be implied. No matter where the games go in the future should have any impact on the purchased games libraries of current Xbox consumers.

pwnmaster3000126d ago

Yup no matter how much they say they don’t care, the fanbase care lol

Profchaos126d ago (Edited 126d ago )

What's left of them one the last 12 months I've seen Xbox consoles flooding second hand marketplaces and going for half of their RRP

In addition this interview the whole panel was clearly not believing the viewpoint but not wanting to offend their guest

LabRat125d ago

When (or "if") Xbox goes out of hardware those who don't play on Cloud or prefer hardware...where will they play their library?

PhillyDonJawn125d ago

Not the question. If you already gave the hardware and games. Why would it disappear?

Chocoburger126d ago

Ah yes, Phillip, the pinnacle of honesty, and he never changes his mind. We can all take his word for it without hesitation. 🤥

Profchaos126d ago

He did but in the follow up sentence he talked about charging pricing because they are a business so who knows maybe the next gen box has a fee to use their emulator service I imagine wine ports to a PC architecture

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