Anita Sarkeesian gets exposed as a fraud by Stephen Colbert

Anita Sarkeesian went on The Colbert Report on Wednesday to talk about GamerGate, her perceived sexism in the video game industry, and the allegedly nonstop misogynistic harassment she’s received from gamers. She ended up getting a little more than she bargained for, however, and her appearance on the show made her look extremely bad

[-Foxtrot]

Makes me laugh

She's apparently terrified of leaving her home that she called the police over trolls....yet here she is making her mouth go on television exposing herself even more and opening herself up for more attacks

Zoe is the same with her interviews

They bring this stuff on themselves

[Fireseed]

"They bring this stuff on themselves"
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I'm really hoping you're not referring to the death and rape threats.

[NewMonday]

he is referring to to Anita and Zoe being exposed as opportunistic frauds.

who knew about them before GG?

the corrupt GameJournoPros, Gawker, Vox media are happy to keep the spotlight on Anita, Zoe and Wu.

[DeadRabbits]

She came across very arrogantly demanding that not some but all games become Feminist Friendly. I don't like overtly sexual games but I don't feel the need to stop others enjoying them!

[nX]

We just have to stop giving them the attention they're craving for. Gaming is fine, nobody is hating women, it's the gaming "journalism" that needs to change. I wonder what DoritoPope says about GamerGate...

[Guitardr85]

@foxtrot...

Good God man...did you really just say that victims of death and rape threats shouldnt be strong enough to publicly condemn those actions?

I think you just made a major FUBAR for the entire internet to see...Congratulations, you now look like a male elitist gamer jerk...you need to grow up!

[UnHoly_One]

He might be referring to the threats because I'm pretty sure she made those herself for publicity purposes.

She's a fraud.

Have you seen this screen cap of the threats supposedly made against her?

http://i.imgur.com/p6eaary....

[Anon1974]

DeadRabbits said "She came across very arrogantly demanding that not some but all games become Feminist Friendly"

I must have gone to the bathroom or something when that part came on. At what point did she say anything even remotely close to that? Was it after she said she isn't interested in making everyone play non-violent games?

Edit: Went back and rewatched it. I must have blinked and missed that part again.

Second Edit: Just read UnHoly_One's comments above, and I mentioned this below but it bears mentioning again. In an industry where developers receive death threats for writing endings to games that people didn't like, or balancing weapons in multiplayer, do you really believe that they wouldn't be just as quick to send threats of rape, violence and death to someone like Anita? You really believe she needs to fake threats? Spend 5 minutes on 8chan looking at posts related to her...

[Dee_91]

woah guys calm down, only say good things about her.. you don't want to be a harasser attacker!

@Bloodborn they did.. then anita goes on colbert and the other one goes on BBC, both with the same accusation that gamergate must end because misogynerds calls us names and threatened us constantly..
They literally, by definition, and reality just brought more attention to themselves.That attention will include both bad and good of course... for some reason I believe bad is also good for them also..

[viperman240]

Look at how much Anita cares about people actually finding the ones sending her threats.

https://twitter.com/TheBack...

It just reinforces what many of us already know, she thrives with threats and uses it to get ahead.

[user5575708]

how many people actually hate female gamers? i honestly don't think there are that many.

however, trolls are plentiful and she doesn't realize how much she's feeding the troll here

[breakpad]

the whole Anita sharkeesian-gamegate thing is just another plot from gaming industry to popularize (doesnt matter if it ll be negative or positive hype) video games in females(which dont be hypocrites are far less than male gamers) and increase their female gamer audience therefore their sales and earnings

[ziggurcat]

@darkride666:

"At what point did she say anything even remotely close to that?"

oh, i don't know.. maybe it was when she accused an entire community of "terrorizing women"? or maybe it was the when she painted all games as sexist/misogynist while completely ignoring all of the games (the majority of games, in fact) that a) don't involve saving any woman at all or b) have strong female protagonists?

"In an industry where developers receive death threats for writing endings to games that people didn't like, or balancing weapons in multiplayer, do you really believe that they wouldn't be just as quick to send threats of rape, violence and death to someone like Anita?"

those people are idiots, and aren't a part of gamergate.

it's really quite astonishing that you continue to defend her despite having been proven several times over to be an opportunist fraud.

she. couldn't. even. name. three. games. when. colbert. asked. her. instead, she threw out GTA, which is always the go to game people name whenever there's any sort of debate about sex/violence in video games.

[j0ncap125]

top lel

[DragonKnight]

This article is completely irrelevant as she has only been made to look bad to people who already saw through her B.S. to begin with.

Have any of you seen her twitter feed after the show was aired? It's filled with people that actually think Colbert is now a feminist. What do they base that on? A question.

"As a man, am I allowed to be a feminist?"

That's what he said. And the SJWs are taking that as a declarative statement, combined with the handshake, that Anita granted Colbert permission to be a feminist and he accepted. This is the kind of delusion we're facing.

Any normal person would have A)Seen the question as Colbert asking what it would take for men to be a feminist and if they'd be accepted as feminists, NOT asking to become one himself, and B)Would have seen him shake her hand while saying "Thank you" after his mic was muted as he does EVERY guest he has on the show.

Anita looks bad with every second that she breathes. It does nothing to her because the number of people that see through her B.S. are monumentally dwarfed by the blind, cultist SJW nation of people who claimed to have been crying tears of joy at the thought of the man whose show they tried to cancel for one feminist being accepted into the feminist ranks by another feminist.

Hell, Suey Park b*tched about this very thing herself, showing that the feminists don't even know what they want.

Anita is the feminist P.T. Barnum

[SonyWarrior]

i dont play games with the main characters a woman

[uth11]

Anita's threats may have been faked by her. It is suspicious that she screencapped them so fast from a brand new twitter user without even being logged in herself.

The evidence:
http://www.returnofkings.co...

[Anon1974]

In an industry where developers receive death threats for writing endings to games that people didn't like, or balancing weapons in multiplayer, do you really believe that they wouldn't be just as quick to send threats of rape, violence and death to someone like Anita? If you don't think the gaming community is capable of sending death threats or harassing people, spend two hours on Xbox Live playing Call of Duty.

Use your head.

[Dee_91]

Yea, like what @darkride66, ignore that valid evidence that it may have been faked and focus on the popular triple A devs that received death threats.
He clearly said "threats MAY have been faked".No one is saying trolls don't harass and send death threats.
Use your head, not your emotions.

[hazelamy]

don't quote that pathetic site, full of manchildren that claim women who say they've been raped are lying and that women are untrustworthy and/or sluts.

this is the kind of hatred so many here keep claiming feminists show.

[uth11]

@darkride66

women (and men) on both sides of this debate have received death threats. What makes Anita special? How does she get to claim that they prove that GG is about hate when (if real) there's nothing tying them to GG, and GG people get threats as well.

When professionals advise you to not publicize such threats as they encourage these people, why did she publish them?

Sending threats is despicable. But there are also unbalanced people and trolls in every group on the planet. To say that threats (real or fake) somehow discredits GG is dishonest.

[Spotie]

Dark, you, yourself, have admitted that devs get death threats for less "offensive" reasons. Those devs are almost entirely male.

Shouldn't that make those offenders misandrists?

Nope. Just immature trolls.

Which is kinda the point here. They're not targeting these people because they're women, but because they've drawn the ire of the trolls.

Thing is: Anita and crew are doing the same thing with their threats that they're doing to gaming overall: taking a very small number of incidents and asserting- even in the face of evidence to the contrary- that it represents the whole. That's just stupid.

darkride, you're one of the most intelligent commenters on this site, which is why I'm a little disappointed that you seem to have fallen for their scam. I'm no feminist, but I AM someone who believes women are frequently mistreated in a variety of arenas. But here, in gaming, the uproar is fabricated.

And there's nothing worse than a cause built on lies...except maybe destroying a legitimate cause with lies. Anita, Zoe, and others like them are guilty of both these things.

Amy, don't be so melodramatic. No one is saying these things DON'T happen EVER. Rather, we're saying don't take the actions of a few idiots to be anything more than that.

You see people decrying Anita and think it's because we hate women. Why, though, do you ignore the flaws in her argument that prompts the antagonistic responses she elicits?

[Anon1974]

By the way, that "faked" twitter feed...all you have to do is know the user's twitter handle (which obviously she had) and google it with "twitter" and you can view someone's feed. Claiming it's a faked screencap because she wasn't logged in and there was nothing in the search is easily explainable.

One has to only peruse twitter or 8chan to see there's plenty of hate out there that's attributed to gamergate. You don't even have to search that hard. Sure, they don't speak for everyone that has been using the GG hashtag, but no one is claiming they do.

@Spotie. Of course trolling can happen to everyone, but there's a disproportionate amount that's directed towards women. As has been pointed out before, when Zoe Quinn's ex leaked intimate details about her sex life, rather than attack him for being a low life or the journalist in question that Quinn allegedly slept with the gain favor with, who was the clear target? And when it was revealed to be false, that the journalist in question never reviewed ZQ's game and anything he wrote about her pre-dated his romantic relationship with her, did the harassment she received let up? Not really, and then GG turned the mob towards other targets rather than admit they were up in arms about nothing. It's just a roving mob screaming "witch" whenever they find a new target.

Anitia has never attributed the threats and harassment she's received to the whole GG movement. That's ridiculous. As for why people aren't addressing the flaws in her logic when it comes to her position on wanting games to be more inclusive when it comes to female player, why doesn't someone point out those flaws and debate them? I've read comment after comment that paints her as some man hating, game hating, feminazi who's coming for all our games and demands conformity to her ideology, yet not one of them can answer how they came to that conclusion because it's certainly not based on her words.

[ziggurcat]

@darkride666:

"Anitia has never attributed the threats and harassment she's received to the whole GG movement. That's ridiculous."

uh... she said it in her colbert interview. she specifically said (starting at 4:10 in the linked video below) that gamergate was all about "terrorizing women."

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[MarkusMcNugen]

@darkride66

No one thinks the death threats are fine, they represent the epitome of human behavior. However, the problem with Anita and Zoe is that they are being hypocrites, like almost all feminists are.

They demonize entire groups such as men, or gamers, to support their points. Which is in itself a sexist view.

Do I trust a sexist person when they tell me about what they think is sexist? I think not...

[insomnium2]

@darkride

" As for why people aren't addressing the flaws in her logic when it comes to her position on wanting games to be more inclusive when it comes to female player, why doesn't someone point out those flaws and debate them?"

I think her logic has been crushed by thunderfoot and others on youtube enough.

You of all people darkride are anti-GG? Man that's dissapointing.

[TM333]

Currently listening to Foxtrot by Genesis! Great album (off topic I know, but...)

On topic... seems like she and Zoe are enjoying the limelight. Noone deserves death threats though.

[R-A-S-0]

Great album mate. My favourite is Selling England by the Pound

[IcarusOne]

Good lord. The mental gymnastics this author goes through to prove his point are staggering. I watched the interview and she handled herself well. And it seemed pretty clear that Colbert was on her side/showing GG in all it's sexist and misogynistic glory.

[jdiggitty]

Yeah, that's a pretty ridiculous conclusion to come up with from the interview

[CaptainObvious878]

I would appreciate it if you would stop your harassment of GG. Labeling the entire group a bunch of sexist misogynists because of a few trolls is beyond stupid and the fact you got a well said for that makes me weep for humanity.

Stop your harassment.

[IcarusOne]

Instead of attacking me, I would appreciate it if you started attacking the trolls within GG that are doing an amazing job of discrediting it, many of whom are active in these comments.

I would love to get behind GG and the journalistic ethos it claims to preach. But right now the bad apples have the loudest voices.

[DragonKnight]

"showing GG in all it's sexist and misogynistic glory."

Spoken as someone who hasn't spent a single second in the GG tag.

[CaptainObvious878]

Instead of attacking GG and playing the victim when I call you out of your bigoted, bullying behavior, I would appreciate if you would call out the people that condemn an entire movement for the actions of a few.

It's deplorable behavior and if you even have the slightest bit of decency and common sense, you would stop it.

Again, I kindly ask you to stop your harassment. I already call out the trolls when I see them. Maybe you could, at the very least, stop calling other people harassers when you, yourself, are harassing in the very same sentence.

[2cents]

She was exposed as a fraud the moment she opened her mouth. But the people who called that out were never given a voice.

Colbert says: "We are talking about ethics in game journalism, do you know how huge that is"

She replied with "I think that is a compelling way to reframe the fact that this is actually attacks on women. Ethics in journalism is not what's happening in any way."

WOW. Just WOW. She will not, can not accept that anyone else can have a problem. Anita, why are you doing this? Why? How can you be so blind to why thousands of people are angry about ethics yet you ignore their voices and expect everyone to drop their crusade and focus on yours.

You are really doing yourself NO favours.

[IcarusOne]

I guess you missed the part where even Colbert almost cracked into laughter at the notion of "game journalism."

[2cents]

He laced each question with humour, did not detract from the fact that the question was valid and the answer was important.

He managed to get an answer to the question we have all been asking. Take that interview as you will.

Laughing at something does not automatically classify the subject as a joke. I'm not laughing.

[3-4-5]

The longer this goes, the more the facts build up they most of her arguments are empty and her just making noise.

Yes, people have been trolling online and those people ruin things for everyone.

They are the same people calling white,black,asians,muslims names just because of who they are or where they were born.

They also say horrible things to Male game developers as well and pretty much everyone else on the internet.

Those trolls represent those trolls and nothing more.

[Christopher]

Actually, a company did an analysis of tweets and found that female developers/figures get a lot more hatred than males.

[3-4-5]

You might be right. They do probably get targeted by certain people. Can't argue that, but I was just saying since there are more men, you would think it would be more men.

Either way trolling is not cool.

Lying via the media is even less cool.

[DragonKnight]

@cgoodno: Actually, that analysis was so flawed it may as well have been done by a blind chimp. It took 25% of arbitrarily selected tweets within the GamerGate tag. And even the tweets it took were 90% neutral and not harassing in any way.

It's better covered in this analysis of newsweek's analysis.

https://medium.com/@cainejw...

[SonyMontana]

They should rename this GAYmer Gate. It's lame already. At this point it's nothing more than a pedestal for her to get publicity and that's what I really can't stand. I feel like she's just milking this thing to death for personal gain. Who really cares enough to take this seriously anyway? It's dumb.

[Christopher]

I know, right? She brings all the hate on herself by having an opinion and saying anything at all. Down with these two women who have opinions and have only gotten the notice they have from people disagreeing with their opinions and showing it by posting threatening messages about/towards them.

[-Foxtrot]

The point is people on the GamerGate side don't get in a hissy fit when they are given abuse online.

Why is it they have to play the victim and exploit it. Actually the question should be why is it they are the only ones who can use the victim card and get a free pass by the media.

It's like prodding a Cave Bear over and over while it's Hibernating then getting ticked off when it wakes up and attacks you.

If Anita and Zoe were that bothered about these threats they wouldn't keep making their mouths go which is going to get more abuse thrown at them. People who have opinions any other time always expect trolls who are doing to say something horrible of cruel no matter what they say.

It's the internet...it happens.

[Christopher]

***The point is people on the GamerGate side don't get in a hissy fit when they are given abuse online. ***

Yeah, I know. All those threats of rape and death threats sent right to the home of the individuals. Let alone all the times there are threats made to the public based on where the person is going to be.

I feel sorry for all those GamerGate people who have to deal with these threats.

/s

They're not playing victim, they are victims. Until you stop trying to make an excuse for what they've gone through, you're not going to see it. So, go back to your argument that "everyone gets harassed at some point, so it's a-ok for someone else to be harassed a ton based solely on their opinion and gender!"

As I've said above, it's been proven that females who speak out like this receive a ton more threats, and personal ones at that, than males who do the same thing. But, hey, keep riding that bike to ignorance land and keep propping up that the only thing at issue here is ethics in journalism and not how internet trolls who happen to also play video games have turned the environment into one laden with toxins and land mines.

***If Anita and Zoe were that bothered about these threats they wouldn't keep making their mouths go which is going to get more abuse thrown at them. ***

Yeah. Someone should have told that to all the other people in history who shared opposing opinions. You should take that advice back to the rise of the suffrage movement in the beginning of the 20th century.

***It's the internet...it happens.***

Such a shitty excuse. It's the Internet... it happens. Now may I go officer? What? You mean threatening someone's life is against the law? But it's the Internet!?!

[-Foxtrot]

I would argue but what's the point...your one of them

I've done this before and had better chance with talking to a brick wall

[Christopher]

***I would argue but what's the point...your one of them ***

Yes, "I'm one of them." One of those people who recognize the faults of both sides and call them on it. I also recognize the merits of both sides and support them on it.

Sorry, I'm not some bandwagon guy who just gives a free pass because someone had one opinion that differed from mine or because I am so offended by the fact that someone who I disagree with is getting more attention rather than what I want.

Yes, I'm the brick wall equivalent here. Totally.

[gangsta_red]

@Fox

"..on the GamerGate side don't get in a hissy fit when they are given abuse online."

So that validates death and rape threats? You are seriously defending this sort of behavior towards people online.

"Actually the question should be..."

The real question should be why is this behavior online acceptable? Why should death threats and rape against a person not be taken seriously, only because it was posted on the internet. And if god forbid one of these women do fall victim to rape or die, then what? Then what will your defense be?

"If Anita and Zoe were that bothered about these threats they wouldn't keep making their mouths go which is going to get more abuse thrown at them."

Wow, the utter ignorance of that statement. So whenever you have an opinion or want to stand up for yourself or even bring to light something that you feel is wrong you should just shut up about it because of threats against you.

I wonder if any thing in the entire history of the human race would have been accomplished if people just would have shut their mouths and not voiced their opinion or concern against issues or situations they felt were wrong.

Cgoodno basically beat me to all this, but I just had to share my thoughts on your comment. And once again when you are proven wrong and sent to your corner, you start in on the name calling.

[-Foxtrot]

@gangsta_red

Here we go Gangsta_Red joins in the fun just so he can reply to one of my comments and say some shit.

You've hardly ever commented on these articles, why now...oh yeah because you get a chance to argue against me trying to prove your in the right when your not because you most likely don't even have a clue about GamerGate at all.

"So that validates death and rape threats? You are seriously defending this sort of behavior towards people online"

I didn't say I was, that's your assumption. I just meant Anita and Zoe use abuse thrown at them, something which happens to everyone but instead of shrugging it off they are exploiting it to try and play the victim card more to make their side look good. The pity vote more or less

"The real question should be why is this behavior online acceptable? Why should death threats and rape against a person not be taken seriously, only because it was posted on the internet. And if god forbid one of these women do fall victim to rape or die, then what? Then what will your defense be? "

Maybe because your looking into that one person. It's not fair on others is it who have been abused and threatened, what makes Zoe and Anita so bloody special? The fact is Police are trying their best to sort these things out but at the end of the day it's expected with how immature and massive the internet actually is. You are bound to get idiots on here, it can't be stopped. No one says it's acceptable, we are just sick of Anita and Zoe trying to use this as a way to make GamerGate look like something it isn't.

"Wow, the utter ignorance of that statement. So whenever you have an opinion or want to stand up for yourself or even bring to light something that you feel is wrong you should just shut up about it because of threats against you."

How is it ignorance, it's true.

Anita and Zoe apparently were told by police if the threats are serious they are better off not engaging much on the internet and have a cool down period, especially if their families were under threat. Instead they decide to big themselves up and again exploit the victim card into fuelling their cause. Would you really not listen to the police and say more stuff which apparently could put your family in danger. YEAH...I don't think so. When you have people like David Jaffe, Cliffy B, Peter Molyneux etc the reason they don't get name called all the time because they don't engage and make things worse. It's not about sharing your opinion, you can but if your really that concerned for your safety and your families safety it's something you wouldn't want to make worse.

"Cgoodno basically beat me to all this, but I just had to share my thoughts on your comment"

Yeah...I'm sure he did

"And once again when you are proven wrong and sent to your corner, you start in on the name calling"

Pfffffft....pot calling kettle black

There is a reason you only have one bubble. You are nasty, immature, you go off topic, I mean WOW.....what a bloody hypocrite.

Next time do some research before jumping into the deep end.

[-Foxtrot]

@cgoodno

LOL

"One of those people who recognize the faults of both sides and call them on it"

Both sides? Are you serious? I've seen you in most GamerGate articles trying to play them down and stick up for the Anti GG side.

Your pretty one sided here, if you are fine but don't lie about it.

I'm not surprised if you were one of the mods who tried to take pro GG articles down.

We all saw it...if it wasn't for Cat they'd still be down and why? Because you or others didn't agree with them. I'm guessing if people came to you and asked about it you wouldn't of done anything.

[papashango]

I don't think these girls are going to change anything. the white knights like cg will voice their opinions but what she is "demanding". There is no market for.

Strong female leads don't make a good game. a good story with good gameplay makes a good game. Doesn't matter if it's a male or female playing the lead.

[Imalwaysright]

@ cgoodno

"They're not playing victim, they are victims"

They're both, It's true that they are victims (i find that inexcusable) but when Anita says that GamerGate is all about terrorizing women and that it has nothing to do with ethics and journalism, she is playing the "women are victims" card.

Also, I got to say that it bothers me seeing comments that only have 3 agrees marked as "well said". I thought that these things were "controlled" by the community and that "The policy set by the N4G owners is to leave N4G as much in the hands of the community as possible". Apparently not.

[rainslacker]

Why is she commenting on GG at all? GG isn't her cause, and the purpose of GG isn't to bring more equality to games or the industry. She really has no stake in GG other than the fact that she interjects herself into it regularly to get attention, and to change what it's all about so she can try and make herself seem right about her points of view.

Pro-tip to Anita(and others): stop antagonizing the people in the movement with things that have nothing to do with the movement, ignore the trolls, and it's highly likely you won't be hated on by the movement.

[Christopher]

***Your pretty one sided here, if you are fine but don't lie about it. ***

Really? You sure you know to whom you are replying or just applying a label?

First, I'm not in most GG articles. Not as much as you are trashing "SJW"s or defending your opinion to high heaven.

Second, defending the fact that people who get threats against their person is not defending their opinions. It's defending their basic right to live a life free from such things.

But, let's see if you're right by looking at some of my past comments.

http://n4g.com/news/1611075...

Wait... did I just say she has faults? I need to work on my SJW methodology more. I should only say good things about her!

http://n4g.com/news/1611075...

Wait... I admit that it's trolls who are the most damaging and not those who started the movement in earnest?

http://n4g.com/news/1611075...

Mention nothing about her whether her opinion is right or wrong, only that she doesn't actually provide data to back up any opinion she gives, only anecdotal remarks.

Apparently that means I'm anti-feminist who is anti-feminist that is anti-GamerGate. *goes cross-eyed*

http://n4g.com/news/1605473...

Comment on the association that has developed from obvious groups with GamerGate, how it is detrimental, even say it may be an unfair association, but still one.

===

You got me, -Foxtrot, I'm obviously just one Internet SJW, not some person who likes to look at how things are and comment on them. I'm obviously just here to say that everything Anita does is right and everything GamerGate is wrong.

You got me.

P.S. /s

***We all saw it...if it wasn't for Cat they'd still be down and why? ***

lol. Wow. You have no clue. Cat has, purposefully, stayed away from this subject. Having an opinion on it is toxic to those like her. The people making the decisions are the mods who make the decisions on 99.9999999% of the other submissions. Myself included.

That first piece, the _only one_ that was failed, was failed because all it did was drag someone through the mud by her ex. It didn't approach anything about ethics in journalism. And, furthermore, it was proven that the person she slept with didn't review her game or anything of the like. So, kind of glad we didn't turn N4G into "drag this person's personal life through the mud for no reason other than a stilted ex boyfriend."

Every single other GG article that falls within our rules of being about games, not being a duplicate, and so forth has been allowed on N4G without issue. Every. Single. Other. Piece.

[-Foxtrot]

@cgoodno

You can pick and choose your comments. Cherry picking can be done by anyone.

Besides I think the disagrees and replies you got in those comments show you how one sided you come off. I know you might not think it but it's right there under your nose.

"lol. Wow. You have no clue. Cat has, purposefully, stayed away from this subject. Having an opinion on it is toxic to those like her. The people making the decisions are the mods who make the decisions on 99.9999999% of the other submissions. Myself included."

LOL

Yet she put the articles back up, if she wanted to stay out of it she wouldn't of done it...although I suppose if she didn't then people would see how much you guys let your personal feelings get in the way of modding.

ONE of the guys who took some of those articles, mine included said

"This is NOT gaming related news"

Despite actually being gamer news, I mean that kind of excuse just shows you how much he wanted rid of the article. Yet there's other stuff posted on here which could be argued isn't real gaming news yet that still gets approved. Most of those satire articles for example which try to look real.

"That first piece, the _only one_ that was failed, was failed because all it did was drag someone through the mud by her ex."

Yeah and it stated how she slept with five guys within the gaming industry to further herself and her game. Plus it also linked into the corruption of the Independent Games Festival.

"It didn't approach anything about ethics in journalism. And, furthermore, it was proven that the person she slept with didn't review her game or anything of the like."

Wrong. He might of reviewed the game but the guy wrote 3 articles praising the shit out of the game. Two for Kotaku I think and one for another site. That is what the article was saying. See what I mean you haven't done your research on this.

"Every single other GG article that falls within our rules of being about games, not being a duplicate, and so forth has been allowed on N4G without issue. Every. Single. Other. Piece"

...YEAH...only because after Cat re-approved mine and some others user GG articles

You guys, whoever they were, did something wrong, she got involved and corrected the mistake.

Why is it that hard to say "Yeah we screwed up, we shouldn't or HE shouldn't of done that"

That's why people in those comments are disagreeing with you and think you are one sided, even me here right now, because despite being you or not who failed those articles it still reflected on you as a mod and got you guys grouped together. It's not nice is it, now you know how people in GG feel when an actual troll does something stupid and the entire GG group gets blamed.

[Christopher]

***Why is it that hard to say "Yeah we screwed up, we shouldn't or HE shouldn't of done that"***

Because I have no clue about the instance you are talking about. The only one I know that's been failed was the original one. Which, btw, did not include anything about ethics in gaming. IT was merely a guy's post of the reveal on facebook about the affair. That's the one I'm talking about. These other ones? I'm not aware of them.

***That's why people in those comments are disagreeing with you and think you are one sided, ***

Yeah, sure. I'm totally sure. It has nothing to do with people just blindly supporting their opinion. It must be that I'm one-sided.

One sec, let me check my comments that are pro-Sony or pro-MS... oh, wait, I get disagrees on all of those as well.

Shoot. what is it now? Am I only one-sided about specific stuff.

Also, those comments aren't "cherry-picked". They are the most recent comments I've made on the subject. I'd have to go back almost a month to find any other ones.

So, yeah. No to that as well.

*** because despite being you or not who failed those articles it still reflected on you as a mod and got you guys grouped together. ***

I know, right, two wrongs make a right. That's why I don't lump anyone together. But, you have no problem doing that here by lumping me with SJW. If you don't like it, perhaps you shouldn't practice it?

In conclusion; because, honestly, you're not debating anything here, just continuing your rant; you can take my comments however you like. But, in the end, you're ranting like a mad man who calls anyone who disagrees with you a SJW rather than taking each person's opinion as their own rather than some hive mind mentality that it must be to support one of two choices: SJW or GamerGate.

I bet it feels good to live in such a simple world?

[DragonKnight]

@cgoodno: Zoe didn't have any opinions. She slept around, went after a charity event, and is in deep with indie scene corruption. Those aren't "opinions" those are actions. And for someone who keeps saying she wants out, she keeps dragging herself in when everyone has forgotten about her. Same with Anita.

Anita capitalized on the recent school shooting to blame it on men and masculinity as a whole. The woman is vile. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. The bodies weren't even cold and she was pushing her friend's book. That's inexcusable.

And you want to talk death threats? How about you ask Milo Yiannopolous about the syringe he was sent in the mail? Or how about KingOfPol who was sent a knife and told to kill himself. What did Anita get again? Oh right, a message describing her parent's house, NOT HERS. Yeah, because that's on the same level as actually being sent physical objects the sender wants you to know is to be used to kill yourself.

And for people who are so afraid for their lives, they seem to be pretty quick to accept offers to appear publicly. You know, so long as those offers involve mainstream media that can boost their careers. Yeah, Brianna is so scared that she had no problem going on MSNBC and CNN. Anita was so afraid for her life that she cancelled her appearance on CBS and The Colbert Report... oh wait.

The B.S. is so strong it's smelled at the other end of the universe.

[Christopher]

@DragonKnight: And what does any of that have to do with the validity of threats against people being right or wrong or enables someone to make the remark "They bring this stuff on themselves"

That's akin to saying "That girl was asking to be raped because of what she wore."

Last I checked, it's wrong, end of story.

I agree, it is a bit hypocritical of her to be on TV right after cancelling one appearance live. I agree, Zoe Quinn may have done some things wrong, though I don't think sleeping around is at all a part of that (It's her own life, she can sleep with who she wants, same as any guy).

But, hey, that doesn't stop people from leaping to the logic -Foxtrot did.

Let me reiterate: "They bring this stuff on themselves"

At no time is that an excuse nor does them being hypocrites mean they they are not victims of actual threats against their lives.

Here's the difference between me and others like -Foxtrot: I can disagree with them without also accepting that acts of hatred, online or offline, are okay because I disagree with them or think they are doing things that will continue to draw attention. IN the end, said acts of hatred are wrong. Supporting those in any way, even with a statement like -Foxtrot made, is also wrong and gives the impression that it's okay to do it because you think they are asking for it.

[DragonKnight]

@cgoodno: My position is that I don't care if they've received death threats or not. I don't know them, I don't like them as people, I didn't send them death threats myself so I'm not going to feel bad or apologize for something I didn't do, nor should anyone else. Are making death threats something that's perfectly acceptable to do? Of course not. There isn't a single person in this thread that actually condones such behaviour, not even -Foxtrot.

BUT

While I don't think they necessarily bring it on themselves, because no one can be personally responsible for what someone else decides to do, the one thing I can agree with with the logic that -Foxtrot represents is that these women do continue to poke the bear. To expect NO reaction is naive. Again, not condoning death threats or saying they bring it on themselves, but when you have someone like Anita saying that school shooting is the fault of all men and of being men, she's thrown down a gauntlet. She's made a huge, and very sexist statement all to further her own agenda.

And then there's Zoe Quinn, who consistently says she wants out of this whole mess (and for the record, I agree that sleeping around in and of itself is no big deal, but doing it for potential favours is. Even disregarding Nathan Grayson, she did sleep with her boss which is probably worse) but keeps writing articles about how GamerGate is sexist, misogynistic, and a harassment movement that everyone should condemn and that it needs to die. When people stopped talking about her, didn't care what she had to say, she made it a point to reinsert herself into the discussion. She continued to poke the bear.

And Brianna Wu has taken it upon herself to declare herself to be a type of martyr. She does the same thing Quinn does, but in a far more public venue.

So to expect NO response for these 3 people constantly goading everyone, insulting thousands of people, or even blaming an entire race and gender for their plight (which is sexist and racist and they never get called on it) is quite frankly naive. One doesn't have to condone death threats to understand the logic -Foxtrot is talking about. He may have taken it to an extreme, but the gist is "you perform an action, expect a reaction."

[insomnium2]

@cgoodno

You keep bringing up the point that they got threats. So what? Who doesn't get death threats on the internet?

[Christopher]

***You keep bringing up the point that they got threats. So what? Who doesn't get death threats on the internet?***

99.999999% of the people on the Internet do not get the type of threats they have received. Heck, I've never been threatened at all like the stuff people keep insinuating we all get. And, last I checked, I have an opinion that is greatly different than others a lot of the times.

But, hey, if you're okay with thinking that anything you've experienced from others on the Internet is close to what they've experienced... you go on and keep thinking that. Whatever makes you happy.

[Silver360]

Are all these people sending death threats to these women super hackers that they can't be traced? No saying death treats aren't real, just amazed that no one has been caught yet. And my response to these ladies is make your games if people want them they will sell, just stay the F out of my games. It isn't about your freedom, it is about my freedom because you want to try and change the games I play because you want to change the way I view women. WTF who is the greater threat someone who wants to do thought control or someone that plays a game.

[VegasDawg]

Everybody is hated on the internet equally.

[Enigma_2099]

I'm only gonna say this once so please listen.

That STILL doesn't justify the death threats and harassment.

[MarkusMcNugen]

No one said it does... but thank you for pointing out the obvious.

[insomnium2]

Everyone gets death threats on the internet so why is it important only with these 2 women?

[Enigma_2099]

You under the impression that death treats and harassment are only uncalled for in THIS situation? I assure you it's not. But this seems to be the only time that everyone wants to f*****' talk about it!!!

Death threats and harassment aren't justified... PERIOD. Now try and spin that.

[insomnium2]

"Death threats and harassment aren't justified... PERIOD. Now try and spin that. "

Has anyone said they are? I'm just saying they are very common so there is no need to have all this commotion when these 2 women are threatened. They are clearly using this common thing to their advantage making every gamer seem like a rapist and whatnot. Is that justified?

[TheDarkMage]

I completely agree notice how thunderfoot said she had a army you could hear them in the audience, and BTW Foxtrot badass avatar pic love Sonic The Hedgehog!

[leemo19]

It really isn't surprising about Anita, tons of people can see through her lies. Too bad the footage of supposedly getting harsher questions won't come out, that would maybe and that's a big maybe remove the blinders from Anita supporters and see she played them and is a con. She's been doing her series for how long now and you can't give me three simple games that are sexist or misogyny come on.
She probably would be destroyed in a debate with someone whos pro-gg because she obviously can't handle the pressure when someone ask a certain question. I would love to see her go against Christina Hoff Sommers or TB in a debate, I bet as soon as she couldn't answer the question she would revert to name calling.
Anita is one of those people who don't mind criticizing something or someone, but as soon as she meets someone who fires back, she goes straight to defensive mode(name calling)because she doesn't understand why someone is disagreeing with her.

[Chrischi1988]

The worst part is, if you were a supporter of her bullshit. She fooled everyone, but most the ones who helped her get a voice...

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

All this time and energy wasted on trying to prove that she's "bullshit". It doesn't matter if she's a fake or not; the issue still exists.

The issue isn't about her. People share her opinion of the portrayal of women in video games.

"Wait, she was a fraud? I guess I suddenly don't care about the issue anymore, then!"

Don't these websites realize that?

[UnwanteDreamz]

This is dumb stuff for dumb people. Video games are an extension of the entertainment industry. You will not pressure them to do anything that they dont deem profitable. The free market dictates what kind of games we play. You can pressure game companies all you want, when their "sexist" game sells 10 million copies why would they change it? "Sexist" tropes exist in mainstream books, movies, and music, for some reason people want to single out gaming as if it were the leader in all of this. Truth is games are selling what we are buying.

[Dee_91]

@Rumb13stiltzkin
All whose or what time and energy? If you compare the anti gamer gate articles to the pro #gg articles you will clearly see who talks about her and the other one the most. (SPOILER) Its not the pro #gg articles.Most of the pro #gg articles mentioning her I've read are articles debunking and arguing her points brought up.She never countered the points brought up against her opinion.She have yet to respond to accusations of cherry picking games and scenes and over exaggerating, so how can we move forward with the "issue" if she and her supporters wont respond to counter points ?You do know that, that's how you fix issues right?
You can look at my comment history and see that even before gamergate started I have been saying I wanted more diverse characters and lead women, and I have met A LOT of like minded individuals.

[Chrischi1988]

@Rumb13:

Well, I disagree. There are people who make constructive critizism, that is fine, but some people just exaggerate everything, make up problems, to become known. And they will always find people, who agree. Whats really the issue here is, that the same thing is happening to men, too, but there it is ok and fine. Yeah, like all men are fully packed with muscles and a cool ego, like in games, like they dont always look good in the eyes of women.

We men dont cry because of that, because we dont care, but they care and by that it means you have to control it, destroy freedom of creativity of somebody who creates a story and if you are not part of their fury team, then you automatically are part of the anti team; they dont even leave room for not caring.

That is the actual deal here and ig I were somebody who supported her, I would feel so dumb right now. She is using feminist for her dumb believes, nothing else.

[rainslacker]

I think her stated goal was worthy, and I know most of the people that donated to her were probably well meaning individuals, but yeah, I think they've been played. Her production just doesn't live up to the money she's gotten, and she used all the notoriety to launch a more lucrative speaking career, which should piss her supporters off since she can't seem to actually address her cause with any meaningful resolution.

[Anon1974]

Out of curiosity, what lies are you referring to, and can you provide evidence of her spouting these lies?

[leemo19]

How about her first known death threat to the public that was clearly fake.
http://www.returnofkings.co...
Utah death threat where she claims it was GG supporter yet no evidence was ever linked to GG.
The part when she talks about hitman how your suppose to kill the strippers, yet never talks about how you get penalize for killing innocent people.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
How about her stealing peoples lets play footage, claiming it was hers.
http://victorsopinion.blogs...
Than you got her lying always about GG which is clearly not about harassing women, most supporters of GG don't condone harassing or sending death threats.
How can a movement hate women when it was the one, along with 4chan who funded pretty much the TFYC. You know that femminst group trying to get women into developing games.
Heck there's females who support GG. If GG hate women so much like she says they do, why would GG allow women to join than.
She claims shes a gamer, can't name three games and top off video proving shes not a gamer at all
http://victorsopinion.blogs...
The last one she actual stole fan artwork for her project
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Dee_91]

I just find it funny you need evidence for lies people can "see through".You don't need evidence to see through a lie.Its called having common sense.

[Anon1974]

Your first point is conspiracy nonsense. That proves nothing. And honestly, you don't believe that people are capable of sending her threats? Remember, these are people who send death threats to devs for rebalancing weapons in multiplayer.

Her claim that the Utah threats were GG related, one of the threats did claim to be GG related. Your word against hers.

She never said you're supposed to kill strippers in Hitman. Watch the video.

"How about her stealing peoples lets play footage"
Where does she claim that footage is hers? She actually has a disclaimer saying that footage utilized is covered under "fair use". And does it negate her point if she isn't the one playing in the game footage? Of course not.

"Than you got her lying always about GG which is clearly not about harassing women."
That's simply a matter of opinion. You have yours, she has hers.

"She claims shes a gamer, can't name three games and top off video proving shes not a gamer at all"
She states, quite clearly, that she could name three but that would distract from the bigger picture, which is this is something that needs to be addressed on an industry wide level. And she's right. She also doesn't identify herself as a "gamer". She's been very clear about that.

"The last one she actual stole fan artwork for her project"
She's making educational videos. It's covered under fair use. If not, it's up to the courts to rule on that.

So out of you're entire list, not one of those sticks. Want to try door number 2?

If you find all you can do is attack the messenger and not actually debate the message, perhaps it's time to reconsider your position. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with everything she says, but the rush to condemn the woman and misconstrue her message, setting up no end of straw man arguments to kick around is staggering.

[Dee_91]

So its conspiracy theory because trolls are known for sending death threats for completely irrelevant reasons and therefore all evidence shown is some how invalidated? Please explain that to me, because I am not getting it.That evidence provided tells me the threat is fake, it doesn't tell me that trolls don't send death threats so please stop saying that.
It could be conspiracy for different reasons however, such as she may have just found the threats immediately after they where made.. Which anyone with a twitter can tell you is very unlikely.. I have conversations on twitter and I see my mentions on average 1 to 3 minutes after its been posted ( not sure if its still like that.. haven't used it in years).But its still a slight possibility.

"Her claim that the Utah threats were GG related, one of the threats did claim to be GG related.."

Do you have a link to the email with the threats or USU specifically stating it had anything to do with GG? The only person who brought up GG was Anita..Because all of the articles I am reading from USU doesn't state a source of the threat, in fact the authorities had to guess who is responsible
http://www.usu.edu/ust/inde...
Its her word against reality and the reality is GG doesn't support threats.

""Than you got her lying always about GG which is clearly not about harassing women."
That's simply a matter of opinion.. "
No friend it is a lie.When you make a claim like that with no evidence its a fallacy.To claim that all of the trolls are also gamergate is a lie.To say the entire purpose of GG is to attack and harass is not an opinion it is a flat out lie.

"She states, quite clearly... "

Yea I admit he might have missed that point, however she have been on record claiming to be a gamer and claiming not to be gamer, so how is she "very clear about that"?Saying I don't play video games isn't not identifying as a gamer.. thats not being a gamer..

""The last one she actual stole fan artwork for her project"
She's making educational videos. It's covered under fair use. "

No its up to the author of the work to decide rather its fair use, which she didn't.I highly doubt she will spend money she more than likely don't have taking her to court to prove that its not fair use.

We did/ are debating the message.. why do you think we are misogynerds now ? Maybe you should try to get a bit more in the action to actually understand whats happening.. start here
http://www.tiki-toki.com/ti...

"I'm not saying I necessarily agree with everything she says, but the rush to condemn the woman .."

That is a huge issue.You think this because they hide behind death threats and claims of being attacked so that you feel sorry for them, you feel that way because so many articles and sites changed the narrative to not address counter arguments, but dismiss them and other claims as misogyny sexist neckbeards basement dwellers harassers non-sense.You think that we don't argue the points because the major sites never acknowledged or reported on our counter points.Its been argued since she made the video.. before she disabled the comments..Calling her BS isn't attacking her.
Its funny how you say you don't actually agree with a lot of what she says, when I actually do agree with a lot of it just not the overall point, but you are the one defending her and I am the one questioning her..

[Anon1974]

Ah, more points to easily swat down with common sense.

"That evidence provided tells me the threat is fake"
Really? Because it tells me people have too much time on their hands. Google a user name, like "Kevin Dobson twitter" without having logged into twitter and you'll see posts on this account without having signed in. You don't have to do a twitter search, you just have to know the name of the user you're looking for, which clearly she did because the guy had sent Tweets to her. And so the article goes on to say it was faked because the brief sentences made good use of capitalization and punctuation? Oh yeah, clearly this adds up to it being faked. /s

As for the Utah threats, the ones sent to the University didn't say anything about GG. The tweets sent to Anita threatening her Utah speech, one of them claimed GG affiliation according to her. Again, you say it's not true, she says it is. One of you is wrong. I'm guessing it's the one that has no knowledge of what actually transpired, just off the top of my head.

Where did she say all threatening trolls were from GG? You can't just make up points, attribute them to her and then say "Point for me!"

You say "she have been on record claiming to be a gamer and claiming not to be gamer"

Here's what she actually says on the matter. Is this unclear somehow to you?
"Even though I was playing lots of games, I still didn’t call myself a “gamer” because I had associated that term with the games I wasn’t playing — instead of all the ones I was playing."

"No its up to the author of the work to decide rather its fair use"
Google "fair use". Not that hard.

I stand by my point. You're attacking the messenger, not the message. Like so many, you've created this anti-game monster, slapped the label "Anita Sarkeesian" on it and now are rallying against the fiction, not the actual person or her very valid message.

Get informed, then debate if you want to wade in on the topic and discuss the very real issues she's brought up. I have yet to see you address a single issue she's raised despite your claim it's all "BS", yet you sure have a lot of hate for the woman. Why is that?

[Dee_91]

Just googled Kevin Dobson @ twitter, there's about a page and a half of kevin dobson profiles.. Yet she found the exact one.. 3 minutes after he made the account seconds after his final tweet..Maybe I should rephrase my original statement.. all of the evidence provided tells me its fake.Not just from that article.But these http://i4.minus.com/iblyqfV...
http://i5.minus.com/id52EmV...
And these
http://i3.minus.com/iYxXvcy...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I admit she did contact the FBI but according to SFPD, online threats would be handled by SFPD.. and according to her twitter she contacted the police for the threats not the FBI.So what did she contact the FBI for ? CP

"The tweets sent to Anita threatening her Utah speech, one of them claimed GG affiliation according to her. Again, you say it's not true, she says it is"

I never said it wasn't true but okay..
https://twitter.com/sanc/st...
Would you look at that, #GG is doing more to find the culprit than Anita..

"Where did she say all threatening trolls were from GG?"
Literally every time she talks about GG? Just about every time she talks about being a victim ? Isn't this why gamergate must die? Do you not understand what implication is ?

Whats unclear to me is that in one video she says she's not even a fan of video games then, in the next she claims to be a gamer.She didn't say " I don't claim to be a gamer" she specifically said she doesn't like video games.

"Google "fair use". Not that hard. "
I know what fair use is and it is up to the original creator to determine rather what their work is being used for either is or isn't non profit.If it is for profit, it doesn't fall under fair use, therefore its stolen intellectual property.
I didn't read the article he posted, I thought it was this one I read awhile back.
http://cowkitty.net/post/78...
It appears she likes to take things without asking..

".. I have yet to see you address a single issue she's raised despite your claim it's all "BS".."

Anecdotal.. my pm's are filled on this site and others talking about the issues she brought up which is how I came to the conclusion "I actually do agree with a lot of it just not the overall point"... actually scroll up to #3.1.3
You're not looking hard enough..

Anita's response to our responses were to close comments, claim every counter point to be harassment and attacks,and to use actual harassment as an excuse not to address the responses.

Its annoying countering all of your points but you seem to gloss over a few of mine, considering you bring up points you already made again that I responded to, instead of responding to my response.. man if it was simply common sense it shouldn't be this difficult for you... Then again, we have different opinions on what common sense is, for instance, you think denied = debunked, and that evidence provided is nullified by something irrelevant to the evidence.

[Anon1974]

Ok, google the user's twitter handle, which she obviously had. Same result and clearly no smoking gun of a faked threat. Nice try though.

"So what did she contact the FBI for?"
This isn't the first time she's been threatened, and these types of threats and handled by both FBI and local law enforcement. Both local and federal forces were confirmed to be investigating. Not sure how you think you're spinning that as somehow proof she faked the threats.

"Would you look at that, #GG is doing more to find the culprit than Anita.."
Who said that there weren't good people in the GG community? And why on earth would Anita be trying to find her harassers?

"Whats unclear to me is that in one video she says she's not even a fan of video games"
Right. We've already established that she doesn't consider herself a "gamer". She plays casually. Now the question is, why are you using an edited snippet of a speech taken out of context when you could just as easily be using her entire videos or whole articles which make her position perfectly clear? My guess is because all that evidence doesn't support your narrative.

"I know what fair use is."
And yet you demonstrate quite clearly that you don't. I guess it is too hard for you to google. Here, let me help. But just this time.
"...fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders"
And actually, it does apply in circumstances with for profit organizations as well. Isn't google great!

I think we're about done here...

[mmcglasson]

Bubble for you Leemo19

[jujubee88]

Feminist supporter just passing by. ;)

[voodoochild346]

Stellar...

[jujubee88]

Excelsior! :b

[ScottyHoss]

Feminist supporter or equalist supporter? If one day men become less privileged than women will you be a masculinist?

[IcarusOne]

Feminism and "equalism" are the same thing. Feminism isn't about women being better than men. Just equal rights and representation of the sexes.

[ScottyHoss]

Yes, but that movement can be 2 sided (I am your definition of a feminist as well). But how can a word with feminine as the root be equal? I understand that currently women do not have equal rights and representation, and that's truly terrible. Although that situation is changing we still have a long way to go, but in the end when true equal rights are achieved, will we still call it feminism?

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

@Icarus

Then why call it feminism? You understand how incredibly stupid that is right? Equalism =/= Feminism.
Two different things entirely.

[jujubee88]

"one day men become less privileged than women"

Ah, ok. This sums up all the fear (seeing as the hate is less transparent online).

But, one may have a pseudo-political red-herring that they like to invoke during discussions of (what they call equality) . . . so yeah . . . But, if you must have an answer to those questions, here's the breathe of my argument in this whole matter:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I rest my case.

[Question_Mark]

Used to be, feminism WAS about equality. Nowadays, feminism has made a change for the worse; it's now seen as women wanting more than men, or simply being a misandrist, and a lot of the time that's true. The ones that are still about equality are silenced now, as feminism has come to be known simply as "women who think they're better than everyone else" to the majority of the people.

There needs to be a new movement, one where it is equality that it strives for; what feminism used to be, once upon a time. Wipe clean the damage those modern "feminists" have done.
True equality may never be achieved, but that shouldn't stop us from trying. Every little step towards equality is good, but we need to ignore the people that want more for one side than the other for equality to make true progress.

[IcarusOne]

@Scotty

When that day comes, we will call it utopia. Or Scandinavia. =)

@Kenshin

I googled it if it makes you feel better. FEMINISM: the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

See that? It's right there in the definition. Equal. It's not about them being better or superior to men. They just want to be equal. Why are you so threatened by that?

PS - Kenshin the Battousai dedicated his life and his reverse blade sword to fighting for the same equality. Anita's really just a slightly chatty-er, less attractive version of Kaoru. Don't be a Shishio, dude.

[Hoffmann]

Drama Queens and Attention Whore's are dominating the gaming websites news since they love the clicks.

If I would be the N4G Boss, there would be a rule here to not submit any gamergate related news anymore.

Why are you guys even approving all those "news" which are nothing but opinions or made up opinions by a handful people including Anita who make their money with it?

[Fireseed]

"Why are you guys even approving all those "news" which are nothing but opinions or made up opinions by a handful people including Anita who make their money with it?"

You literally just described the entirety of the games journalism world, even outside of the gamergate issue.

[nX]

I could live without their opinions.
Just give me the latest news, I don't want to know what these so called "journalists" have to say about it.

[Fireseed]

@Blood

Then go right to the publishers website and wait for press releases.

[rainslacker]

99% of daily gaming news is just opinion pieces. If you someone wants just news, then just click on the news articles. Everyone has to wade through a lot of stuff they aren't interested in on this site, as that is the nature of an aggregate site. But no one is forcing anyone to click on an article, read it, or comment on it.

The issue is obviously important enough to a lot of people, as almost all these articles make it to the top of the first page on a regular basis.

However, I would like to see more positive GG articles instead of the false narrative that continuously gets posted which just makes my facepalm more often than not.

[scark92]

Because it is gaming related, and if there is something that insults my hobby, it will interest me to knowing what it is..

[garos82]

It is important to discuss these issues and shame those who are obviously profiting by all these allegations. Other sites are outright banning users left right and centre for aligning themselves with the pro GG movement and im happy to be here at N4G where most seem to be agreeing on the pro side

[HiddenMission]

So what you just described is called censorship...you're saying to censor the web of information...really.

[Hoffmann]

Nope, that is not what I am saying. I see these kind of videos and "news" just not as fitting on video game websites about...video games.

We don't have articles here about Ebola, a Quake in India or who won the latest elections in Berlin as well.

Censoring would be to ban the videos from youtube etc, I think these kind of articles fit more on other websites since they are more about the persons and their opinions than on video games itself :-)

[HiddenMission]

So a video game related scandal which is what gamersgate is about is not fitting news for a gaming news site...wait what.

What you said is exactly that censorship...you don't deem something to warrant coverage on a site focused on covering that exact content. Which means your censoring the content out because you don't deem it worthy for whatever reason. That reason for you might not be malicious but what it's doing is all the same censoring the content out.

If you don't like said content avoid it.

Information regarding this subject is very much opinion based while driven by facts.

To make it seem like games are the only part of the news is naive and dangerous for the industry/community. Your mindset has led us to the problems the built up to gamersgate...

We don't hold the press/devs/pubs hands to the fire. We don't as a whole call them out for shady practices.
We don't a whole community inform the less informed about the realities that are afflicting the gaming industry/culture.

This is why we have problems like gamersgate.

I know this is a rant but it's a serious topic that should not be censored/swept under the rug. This is a hobby for core gamers while being so much more at the same time.

[Hoffmann]

The opinion pieces for sure, but straight news articles don't fall into that category.

Even game reviews are usually a mix of an opinion piece with facts to describe why a game is good or bad and what its features are (16 playable characters in super sf II).

[Fireseed]

Straight news in the game industry... yeah they have a term for that... it's called a press release.

And yeah... game reviews have opinions... that's my point.

[Catdawgg]

Sexism is bad

Kill all men!

[voodoochild346]

*gasp* how then will humanity procreate? Scissor me timbers!

[Date_Um_Sage]

Too bad they worked out how to procreate without men right?

It's like really now, men aren't dying out yet

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

@Date_Um

Actually, no. You see, if all men are gone, no sperm, no sperm = no procreation. You kinda need both men and female regardless. Also what are you gonna do if the kid is a male? Kill it? That's messed up man. You sick bastard.

[Antifan]

Well, according to my population genetics course, other species of male were wiped out by diseases, so the females evolved the ability to reproduce asexually. This happened with butterflies and birds in the Pacific. I'm not entirely sure if mammals can reproduce asexually though.

[ShaunCameron]

And how are women gonna fend for themselves?

[Fez]

Lol @ "exposed".. Anita actually came across pretty well.

Most notable parts of the interview for me:
- Colbert taking the piss out of video game journalism - since it is not proper journalism: it is entertainment media. I don't understand why #GamerGate exists when game journalism has never been of a high ethical/moral standard. As soon as reviews are involved within a journalistic medium it is necessarily biased at that point. I don't really care about journalistic integrity in any entertainment medium since nowadays it's pretty easy to tell whether you will enjoy a game/movie or not.

Also notable in this interview
- Colbert asking why Anita is complaining when not all games are what she considers sexist -
This is a pretty good point. The vast majority of games not even Anita would consider sexist so choosing to focus on certain parts of certain games doesn't seem very important. I watched Video Games: The Movie last night and violence in vgs came up. Peter Molyneux made the point that if you only watch torture porn at the cinema you would just think movies are sick and violent. But we are aware that there are many different types of movies in different genres.
This should be the same for games. Saying "video games are too violent" or "video games are sexist" does not make sense.

[Dannycr]

It's really easy to take something out of context and make it look like it is terrible. She couldn't even mention examples of these games. She went for the all too obvious GTA and she had the b*lls to say that she has been playing games for a long time, when there is a video of her stating that she was not into that and didn't even like them.

Plus, these so called "feminists" (i'm not going to give them the benefit of being called feminists) are sooo blind to the problem that they all think that it is just woman who get attacked.

We all get death threats online, people online piss on my latin heritage and the fact that I speak spanish, demanding that I only speak english. Same happens with any other human being who speaks any other language. There is plenty of abuse, but, funny enough, the abuse is actually on equal measure for all men and woman.

This abuse is the one that needs to go away. This notion that insulting people and talking smack to others is part of the online experience.

[FullmetalRoyale]

Precisely. They'll attack you for anything that separates you, from them.

If you're speaking another language; speak English is what you'll get. That, or they'll speak gibberish at you.

If you're black; "N word" inbound.

If you're female; well gee they attack that, too.

People suck. I just play online with friends, and ignore the rest. Same as any website I frequent. You want to be a miserable person? Have fun alone.

A lot of people don't realize how powerful ignoring them is.

[Anon1974]

She didn't give examples because she said it was more useful to look at the industry as a whole as opposed to just shaming select games. And that's a great point. Examining sexism in the game industry isn't about calling out and shaming specific games, but rather examining attitudes towards the portrayal of women throughout. We all know that women are often sexualized in games as well as other media. It's not like it's a secret.

"This abuse is the one that needs to go away. This notion that insulting people and talking smack to others is part of the online experience."

Here here! It's certainly a huge part of all this.

[uth11]

they attack my dog online for barking.

buncha speciest gamers

[Dannycr]

@Darkride66:

"She didn't give examples because she said it was more useful to look at the industry as a whole as opposed to just shaming select games. And that's a great point. Examining sexism in the game industry isn't about calling out and shaming specific games, but rather examining attitudes towards the portrayal of women throughout. We all know that women are often sexualized in games as well as other media. It's not like it's a secret. "

Yes I agree, if the point is given from an unbiased source. She's not unbiased, she has an agenda and she's only talking about 1 side of the situation and taken specific moments of specific games out of context, therefore, my point remains, taking stuff out of context can make anything sound wrong.

For any and every point she attempts to make, there is always a counterpoint and she goes out of her way to shut all possible counterpoints from being heard. read, etc.

[Ka7be]

We don't have these problems in "third word countries" (As muricas like to say)... The western Society is so f***ed up on a high scale!... There are bigger more important problems in this world than stupid feminist. If she and other feminist like her care so much about Female, then why don't they fight against Saudi government who bans women from driving and other social activities.... But wait Saudi is the biggest USA allies, she and feminist are not allowed to criticize it...
This is all a big plan we have seen it before and its called Divide and conquer.

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

Remove that tinfoil hat for a second so I can ask you, using your own logic, why you're posting a comment against feminism here when there are more important problems in this world?

[uth11]

yeah I agree, this is the kind of crap that's a symptom of being too affluent.

[ShaunCameron]

3rd world countries don't have much of a social safety net due to everybody being too poor to pay taxes and contribute. So women pretty much have to either put up or shut up.

Because the Saudis take no crap from women and have little qualms about executing them if they get outta line.

Try communism. Leftists for decades hated the US and everything it stood for and always wanted to turn it into a communist utopia.

[Ka7be]

In "third word countries". We have way better social life and social safety than US (at least).. Yes we have low income but we know how to live our life respecting everyone from Black, Asian, women, male etc in the east people have way important things than attacking genders for no reason what so ever.
And imo USA is the real third word country because how it has no jobs, crappy education no social life and the highest corruption in the word...

[q8kik]

Take heed men ......

[Seafort]

I wonder what or who she and other activists are going to blame/attack when this "gamergate" crap fizzles out. I'm hoping she just fizzles away with it so we can get back to gaming.

There is nothing she can do to stop me from playing the games I like. I'm a gamer. Deal with it :)

I know many females that play games, my girlfriend is a gamer. Is this Anita Sarkeesian going to condemn them as well?

This whole "gamergate" thing has been twisted so much one way then another. No one knows what the hell it is any more.

By my understanding it was about game journalists ethics or lack thereof in the beginning until it got twisted and turned into a target for a hate campaign by certain female spokespeople against gamers.

Now it's about misogyny, sexism and trolling of females. Not sure how it got there.

Either way I'm neutral and prefer not to get involved in all this politic crap. It serves no purpose in video games scene.

[supermintendo]

if you're a female and say anything that can be seen as support for the gamergate cause, you get labeled as a fake, a man posing as a female, or you're just too stupid to realize you're being used by the patriarchy and betraying your gender. sure there are games that don't depict women in the most positive light, but there are male examples doing the same. i like video games to play as someone/thing (regardless of gender) with abilities not possible in real life, to step into a role that is so far removed from myself for different experiences and fun. to escape from real life with a good story and gameplay. same goes for when i read a book or watch a movie.

games have been featuring more female leads and it adds to my options of what kind of game i feel like playing with different characters. but when people complain that it's not how women should be (early Lara, bayonetta, other m samus, peach, etc.) it seems more like they're just looking for something to complain about because what they were initialing "fighting" for is now present, but they don't want to give up their imagined crusade.

sometimes i wanna play as a masculine, albeit perpetually confused solider (Metal Gear?) sneaking around under cardboard boxes or what to me represents an adorably cute and accurate display of girliness who has been one of my favorite video game characters since i was a child, princess peach. and when i look at my library of games i have tons of options to cater to whatever style im itching to play.

these blanket statements about gamergate and games by anita and her supporters don't fit what is actually happening and that's why they can't debate anyone who even disagrees with them in the slightest. games will continue to change in content, characters and styles, just look at how far they're come since their beginning.

[azazel665]

Did you also see that GamerGate investigated and exposed the person who threatened her on twitter and when GamerGaters tweeted her the evidence to pass along to the FBI, SHE BLOCKED THEM.

If that doesn't prove she doesn't actually care about stopping harassment in games I don't know what does.

GamerGate then just contacted the FBI with the evidence on their own I guess.

[rainslacker]

She's been blaming trolls long before GG started. It's how she gained so much momentum to fund her kickstarter to make a lot more than she actually wanted.

Just now, GG gives a actual "face" to attack as opposed to just pointing out trolls.

Funny thing is, even before GG, she used the trolls to blame the entire gaming community as sexist. It's her MO. That MO is why so many gamers just don't like her, because she uses sweeping generalizations to describe an entire community of people, which she herself says she doesn't associate with due to the stereotypes that she herself has in her head about what the community is all about.

[gamer7804]

this again? well back to playing bayonetta, the highest rated game this gen!

[iluvmaPS3]

You mean this gen as in wiiu/360/ps3 right?

[gamer7804]

No bayonetta 2. I'm just considering wiiu as next gen with ps4 and Xbox one, part of a similar timeline

[Metallox]

That's Super Mario 3D World, not Bayonetta 2.

[gamer7804]

oh sorry i was thinking just in 2014, super mario 3d world is a great game and highest rated overall you're right!

[sovietsoldier]

welcome to 2014 soon 2015 where you cant even escape to a online game to get away from life's bullshit and politics.

[D-riders]

gwt a life lady, if that's the case we wouldn't have violence in video games either. hell I can call grand theft auto racist for how they depict black people too. so sad she has no life

[OpenGL]

Did I watch a different program? Colbert wasn't particularly tough on her and she didn't really say anything unexpected.

I myself don't subscribe to the narrative that gamers are all sexist, or that the industry is evil, but I don't see how Anita was "exposed." What I do find funny is when feminists throw out stats like "50% of gamers are women" but these statistics always include social games on Facebook. I would like to know what percentage of PS4, Xbox One, and Steam users are female.

[CrowbaitBob]

I can't see how anyone could watch that video and come away believing Colbert was in any way attacking or even being confrontational toward this chick. I don't think you have to be a feminist to see that, just watch the video.

He was clearly mocking her opposition through the entire segment. Apparently some people have difficulty grasping even the most blatant sarcasm.

[Tei777]

I'm pretty sure console gaming is scewed towards males but i don't think that should have much of an effect on the underlying the argument.

If say white americans are the biggest racial group where gaming is concerned, does that mean that most games should just stick to racial stereotypes and negative portrayals of other races?

[bangoskank]

Intelligent people will see that she has no credibility whatsoever and will do or say anything for attention and publicity. She is a fake, one of the worst kinds of people. Even worse than her though are the cave men threatening to rape and kill her. F****** idiots.

[JackVagina]

author Must have missed the part where the audience was cheering at everything she said

[Guitardr85]

Even if people want to take this seriously and discuss it, I rarely see comments on N4G talking about women without the words, whore, tits, vagina, etc., peppered in. If you want an honest discourse, leave the 14 year old language at home, unless you are 14, then you shouldn't be commenting in the first place...

[dillhole]

The title is just about the opposite of what I saw. Colbert seemed like he was on her side. People need to realise that most of the time he isn't serious. There was no exposing of anything in this video.

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

Ugh. Look how many words like "bitch", "whore" and references to vaginas appear in these comments.

Really supports your case against "alleged" sexism.

[mikeboccher]

Intelligent people realize simply acknowledging a woman's sexuality isn't sexism. Is Victoria's secret sexist? are all girls who wear 2 piece bikini's sexist to themselves? Of course not.

[Farmassy]

Double post .......... But you should press agree anyway

[Amuro]

Why people never read the articles before leaving comments that are nothing but fallacies?

Anita was one of the leading voices of the #cancelcolbert hashtag and she stabbed her friend in the back to appear in national TV.

If she did this so willingly who knows what other shenanigans she's been into to get to where she is now.

Look at her twit: https://twitter.com/suey_pa...

[pat_11_5]

The language everyone is using in this thread to describe Sarkeesian is a good indicator of GamerGate's true motivations.

With that said though I also find it hilarious any of you think Colbert is on the side of pro GamerGaters. You must NEVER watch his show.

He was mocking you all. Every last one of you, by pretending to be everything you believe in. He does this on the shoe all the time.

[azazel665]

You... didn't read the article did you?

[tlougotg]

%uck this %$tch. Tired of everyone always whining! Smh ive turned many my x girlfriends into gamers and they never had an issue with gaming and its present form. This is a few h*%s looking for attention.

[hazelamy]

well moderator, this what you call "on it"?

you know who i'm talking to.

[-Foxtrot]

What would they be on exactly, they can't take down an article about GG since there is so many Anti GG articles have went up. Are you saying it should be one sided.

They already tried taking down GG articles and one of them was blasted for it making Cat put them back up.

[hazelamy]

i was referring to the comments.

i would disagree with the article, but i don't have a problem with it being posted.

and they'll know what i'm talking about.

[pat_11_5]

N4G's mods are totally cool with this... yup.

[XtraTrstrL]

LoL, just look at that grin on her face in that thumbnail. Colbert looks like he's trying hard to smile next to her fake a$$.

[Hazmat13]

remember when videos games were just about fun and enjoyment of adventure to pass the time while mum made food or just another rainy day outside? yeah.... i hate this world.

[stalepie]

but now they're about the fun and joy of reading internet comments :D

[AKS]

This was very favorable coverage for Sarkeesian, which sickens me.

[Mithan]

This article is crap.

[Mindsucker]

Seriously, why would anyone take this seriously. This is just as serious as the blair witch project was. they want money and they are using fools to make that money. I actually loose respect for Stephen Colbert for paying her any attention. Her and her puppet master are the worst types of parasites.Unfortunately even I get caught up in this farce, people like this and anyone who actually trolls her is just as bad. That being said don't think that I do not believe for a second that 90% of these so called threats or even the trolls are not staged. I spent enough time on this you all have fun.

[jc48573]

publicists....

[kahjah]

I guess the person who wrote this didn't understand what was actually happening, nor many of the people in this thread that are seemingly pro GG and anti progress. I mean you can tell from the story itself that everything went totally over their head.

I wonder what the average age of a Gamer Gater is, it has to be fairly young looking at the arguments brought to the table. Most of them don't make sense, are super myopic and seem filtered though a lens of just not having had much life experience.

[Amuro]

funny I think is you the one that has no idea what you're talking about.

Anti-progress... What a bad joke. Go get informed.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Grilla]

@kahjah.

I think they see what they want to see.

[Kingoftherodeo]

I don't see her complaining about hollywood look at most movies hardly have a strong woman leading character. The women that do appear on there are dressed in provocative way, I'm sure she has no problem watching a movie where the guys are nothing but eye candy

[TenBensons]

https://www.youtube.com/pla...

REKT

[Ace Killa 08]

Anyone ever read the interview Game Informer did with her in this months magazine?

You can read the article and halfway into it you'd see she's no gamer. Just someone on the bandwagon.

[EnzoLuca]

i would

[TuxedoMoon]

Anita is a fraud and an opportunist. I'm sure she went on this show to bait gamers into showing her more hate, giving her more fuel to show that she's being harasses and whatnot. WE'RE FEEDING THE TROLL!

I'm still amazed that she thinks that men hate women when it comes to games. When the DOA girls are fighting in Bikinis, that's not hate. GTA doesn't force players to beat up ONLY women. Bayonetta, you think, would be a good feminist character with her being so proud of her body and is super independent. But no, she's too pretty and according to her logic, that means she's only displaying everything for men. I have yet to see a game (Not flash games, doujin games, or cheap iphone games) that are truly misogynistic. As in the goal is the hurt and destroy women because the main character hates them. The only game that's close to that was probably Duke Nukem 4ever. There was a part where you killed the twins after a bad joke. Iirc, the jokes were written by women.

Saving a princess is NOT HATE!
Having females fighting in bikinis IS NOT HATE!
Having a character proudly show off and do cool stuff IS NOT HATE!

And from this exchange with her and the host, I don't believe she's "fighting" for equality. Her statements made it seem more like "change or become our enemy!" Instead of cherry picking games and making the gaming space look evil for women, she should go look for ways to help women get equal pay as men in the industry. That's way more important that fighting against artist making a game THEY WANT TO MAKE!

[zeroskie]

I mean she's not the best at expressing her thoughts, but I don't think her interview with Colbert made her look as terrible as the author says.

[pop-voxuli]

Who?

[FPS_D3TH]

I haven't been really following this much, other than hearing about the threats and very little about gamer gate. But from what I saw in that video, this girl is grasping at straws in attempt to become popular or something. Go open a female centric game company then if you feel misrepresented. Wow.... Just the epic levels of dumb just to bitch that she doesn't like playing certain games. Why is this a thing?

[Amuro]

funny thing is that she wan't even relevant to gamergate. She actually inserted herself into it to keep playing the victim since that's what she does for a living.

[AAWELLS09]

My mind is blown at how immature and unreasonable some of you people are and the amount of time people are spending on this. I've seriously lost faith/respect in the gaming community. Some of you are saying some of the most craziest sh*t I've ever heard and I think you actually believe it. One day when you've matured and you look back on this I think some of you will be floored at how stupid you were.

[mopground]

noone mentioned that anita used #cancelcolbert?

[ThreshStar]

It doesn't matter the context of what she says or anyone who attacks video games....all that matters is how we react to it.

Mainstream news and the public in general don't know anything about GamerGate, Anita, or any of this - all they know hear is "Video gamers making death threats to women" and that's all they'll think.

Face it - At this point in time, Video Gamers and video games in general will NOT be given a fair and objective platform. Video games, even as big as they are, will still be viewed as a lower form of entertainment. The public still looks at it as an "immature stupid hobby".

I think both sides make good points. There IS a bit of crappy behavior towards women that needs to be addressed. There IS corruption and untrustworthy elements in professional gaming journalism.

However, hashtags, in-fighting, death-threats/doxxing, and overall "internet-style" debates (insults, trolling, close-minded attitude) will continue to make us look like immature children to the rest of the world.

In the end, nothing will be accomplished from all of this craziness except for one thing: The general public will continue to look down on us and think we're not to be taken seriously as a mainstream respectable medium of entertainment.

[stalepie]

I will use my death blaster special combo in Injustice: Gods Among Us to SILENCE you for this grievance, ThreshStar!

[Dan_scruggs]

The delusion is real.

[wordthrower]

in the middle of a studio surrounded by cameras: the perfect place to commit murder. why wasn't she instead hiding in a dark alleyway where nobody could see her? hmm>? your move feminialiures

[Tankbusta40]

I think I'd rather sit down with a member of isis and listen to his agenda over sitting down with a social justice warrior

[stalepie]

gamergate = isis

[crazy8cs]

There is a youtube clip of Anita from 4 years ago at a Santa Monica college class giving a lecture and she admits that she does not like and does not play video games.

[jegheist2014]

shes kinda hot hot enough to lay out be done with her like filth she prbly is but shes disease full no thanx i can find better ones in land of gta v the hos r lot shinyer lol

[TenBensons]

u sernse nory mayke.

[Joydivision39]

This GG crap is getting annoying, I have no idea what it was. I thought or what I've read so far was that GG was about large companies a.k.a corporations if I must, are paying reviewers or companies (who specialize in reviewing or writing news about video games etc...) to fake reviews for the sake of profit. Next thing you know I start seeing articles about harassment, threats, and\or assaults on females. One thing I realized reading this article, is how ridiculous and disgusting people are to try to fine a gape-hole to get some kind of exposure/profit making scheme. These so called victims are nothing but sociopath, lying, and manipulating people who are giving us "gamers" a bad name. Why only females? What about men? I bet there are a-lot of men who go through the same situation but don't talk about it due to fear of being made fun of even more or harassed. Usually it is the weak who try to make a big thing out of something irrelevant A.K.A Anita Sarkeesian the hypocrite same with the other so called victims. It is about time we stop this crap and move on and stop giving these pathetic people anymore exposure.

[Shnooze]

Why can't we just play video games and enjoy them anymore?