PS4 Firmware 2.0 “Masamune”: New Information on Share Play and Music Player Shared by Sony

Sony Computer Entertainment Japan and Asia released more information about the upcoming PS4 firmware 2.0 "Masamune."

[LOL_WUT]

"While you use Share Play, live streaming and remote play are not available."

Damn that would've been a nice feature especially within the horror genre. Being able to do a live co-op and stream it all within the PS4 would've been awesome. ;)

[Abriael]

That's probably because the video capture hardware is already being used by share play.

[GameSpawn]

Yep. If I'm not mistaken the same hardware is also responsible for Remote Play's core functionality on the PS4.

So, SharePlay, Vid Capture, or RemotePlay. You can't have them all at once unless you want resources taken away from the games.

[dantesparda]

I know this is off topic. But i remember reading that the ARM chip was supposed to make it so when the PS4 is in standby, it would only consume like 10 watts (even when downloading) But it didnt turn out that way because the chip turned out to not be capabile of doing that at such a low wattage thus making the PS4 consume around ~70watts while downloading in standby. Anybody have anymore clarification on this? Also isnt it a ARM 7 chip? And wasnt this chip supposed to be used for the suspend/resume, thus the reason we still dont have it now?

[Ju]

Hm...well..suspend-resume works with Fifa15 & Netflix...surprisingly.

[guitarded77]

That's all understandable, but not being able to upload music to the hard drive is BS. We have to have a USB occupied for our own playlists.

[wsoutlaw87]

Suspend resume works just not in stand by like it is supposed to eventually.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Why did he get all the disagrees? You all don't think it would've been awesome to be *able* to stream while playing coop?

[Spenok]

It would have been awesome, but as Abriael says it's already being used by the share play. Maybe with software optimization down the line. Though I don't foresee that happening.

[KrisButtar]

Is share play the feature that lets me play my friends PS4 to beat a boss or part of a level then he can regain control and continue on?

Edit: Awesome thanks guys

[Abriael]

yeah. Can also play together.

[ScottyHoss]

Maybe we might actually get split screen in a few games from now on

[GarrusVakarian]

Yup. In my opinion, this is the most "next-gen" feature that we've seen so far for either console. It's literally game changing.

[Bird_Jesus]

Share Play will be in the November update for Xbox One

[gangsta_red]

I definitely agree, even though I still don't really understand the concept behind it. Has there been any game that a person was ever truly stuck on and couldn't pass it themselves using trial and error?

I've played a lot of very hard games, (GHOST n GOBLINS for NES) but eventually I passed it.

But regardless, this is a very cool type of feature. Perhaps it can be utilized and intended somehow for an actual game.

[GarrusVakarian]

@gangsta red

I think it would be more useful as something to help you decide if you like a game or not. Lets say you're not sure on a game, but your friend owns it already, he could let you play his game remotely, on his PS4.

And like Abriael said above, you can play together, despite only one person actually owning the game. It's sounds awesome.

[MasterCornholio]

@Bird

Didn't Microsoft said that the Xbox One couldn't have share play because they axed DRM from the system?

Which is why what your saying doesn't make any sense unless they did another 180 that im not aware about.

[Eonjay]

@MasterCornholio

I just realized that this is very similar to what Microsoft wanted to do with DRM. Sony is letting your friends play your games; any of your games.

[gangsta_red]

This would be cool for multiplayer games.

Could a friend join a game if the game had co-op? Could he join as a second or third player without actually owning the game or does he have to just take control of your character only?

If this is the case and true I wonder how many can join at once.

I can really see this working with sports games like Madden or Fifa.

[Volkama]

This is not that similar to what Microsoft were allegedly going to offer. This is not sharing the license at all, just remote control of someone else's ps4. Like team viewer or one of the many other desktop sharing tools. Just (hopefully) well optimised for gaming.

That's why Sony can do it without really being concerned about publishers. Precedent for software licensing in these circumstances is already established.

[baodeus]

So how long can someone play their friend game for?

[GameDev1]

@Bird-jesus

Microsoft never confirmed share play, Infact I dont think it was a ever a decision to be part of their OS.

I am excited for it on the PS4 though, have some games my friends have that I would like to test out and it would make so easy to demo most games in the future to decide if you want to buy it. Top stuff Sony

@baodeus

Its says one hour, but you can begin a new session after that

[Eonjay]

@gangst_red

"Could a friend join a game if the game had co-op? Could he join as a second or third player without actually owning the game or does he have to just take control of your character only? "

It supports coop and control play. So if you are playing a coop game, you can use share play to play with a friend. They effectively become a second controller. The answer to your question is yes. The third mode is just a display only where its like a private broadcast.

[Jumper09]

I dont see anything nextgen in this. You are basicly streaming your game to your friend and that needs a good internet connection.

It will be bad at the end.

[baodeus]

So I get disagree for asking a legit question and no answer?
- how long can u share the game for?
- can I play my friend games if he isn't on it?
- what are positive and negative (limitations?) associate with this feature?

Any answer?

[baodeus]

@dev1

What do u mean by playing for one hour but you can start another session?
- like immediately without wait time?
- what do you need to do to start another session?

Thanks man for at least answering something.

[GarrusVakarian]

@Jumper09

You don't see anything next-gen about being able to remotely take control of other people's games/remotely play MP and co-op with them without even needing to own the game yourself?

Damn, you're wither really hard to please, or you belong to a certain camp that won't be getting this feature.

[Volkama]

@Baodeus, you cannot play the game while your friend is not on the Playstation (well... you get up to an hour if they set up the session for you and then go elsewhere).

You literally just control his or her playstation, as though you are sitting in the room together looking at the same screen.

It will be good for shared-screen multiplayer games like Diablo 3.

It will not allow you to play multiplayer Driveclub with your friend, because that has no local multiplayer.

[wsoutlaw87]

@baodeus you got disagrees because you dont seem to get how it works. Your question makes it sound like you think you can download a friends game and play it for a time limit. What it does is let you take over for your friend or play with him. If there is a limit to this then no one really knows. It is basically the system far cry is going to use and they set up a token system, so it seems like it will be up to the publisher/developers.

[THC CELL]

Now that's next gen stuff on a console

[MrPink2013]

"It’s not possible to copy music files from USB to the internal hard disk of the PS4."

Taking up a USB slot to listen to music while the dongle sticks out is next gen to you?

[Ben Dover]

Hey you go ahead and listen to that awesome music you've transferred to your Xbox while I remotely enter a friend's PS4 game he bought so I can test it before I buy it. But oh noes the dongle ...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Not only is that completely and embarrassingly off topic, but if those ports are so important, I'm sure someone would get a multiport. Not that it matters to you.

[Mister_G]

I don't know much about hacking/cracking but maybe they're been very careful not to open up any back doors to keep the platform secure (Remember Linux on PS3?).

[Bennibop]

@Ben Dover ignore the trolls you cannot transfer music on to the X1 hdd either it is done in the exact same way PS4 is doing it!

[JamieLeeC93]

I'm hoping it'll be here in this month.

[GreenUp]

When I was your age. We could put a usb drive in a Playstation 2, yes 2 and transfer those music files over to the PS2's hard drive. That was back in 2000.

Carry on.

[SoapShoes]

When I was your age, we could burn those songs from the HDD to a blank disc on the PSX's CD-writer.

Carry on.

[uth11]

when I was your age I was like what is MP3? As I installed a cassette into my Sony Walkman :)

[thereapersson]

When I was your age, none of this shit existed.

Carry on.

Just keep some USB drives or an external HDD near your PS4. It'll take about as long to search through your console as it would to plug in and search through a USB source.

[Gravity_DoGG]

Hahah Owned!

[Rhythmattic]

When I was your age, I had nothing to play with but a stick.............A STICK !!!

[OldDude]

When I was your age we had 8 tracks...

[2cents]

haha!

Don't forget 'Dat Betamax'

[Angrymorgan]

When I was your age, I was playing snes games on floppy disc thanks to an add on called.....I forgot but...carry on

[waltyftm]

When i was your age i was Taping the top 40 Radio Music charts of my Dads HiFi, onto a cassette tape and hoping Sabrewulf would load on my Spectrum 128k, it also played my Music.

Carry on

[BG11579]

When I was your age, Sony invented the Walkman... I feel old.

Carry on.

[GreenUp]

When I was their age. Pluto was a planet.

[FriedGoat]

Classified as a planet.
Pluto has never been a planet.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure Pluto is a planet. Unless there was a third change.

[bloodybutcher]

When i was yer age, young Bismarck was masturbating to paintings of Cathy the Great

[ZeroX9876]

@GreenUp

The X1 can't copy MP3 directly to internal HDD either if I'm correct. also, I don't really want to use internal HDD space for MP3s when games are already fully loading the stock 500gb HDD!

What's needed is External HDD support with Media compatibilities. I know it'll come eventually, for now I'll use my Ipod/Galaxy S5/PC/Tablet/Android TV top Box/Smart TV/Screen mirroring from android, etc. to play my video files for now. Far from being short of options ;)

so don't worry man, you'll be able to play all your music and films downloaded on torrents eventually on your PS4.....

[GreenUp]

I can care less about these feautres. As I have a PC and PS4 next to me. I can even play spotify or pandora on my pc while listening to music while playing PS4 through my audiophile grade headphones. I'm just stating that MP3 on HDD's was doable years ago. I even remember the original Xbox converting cd's onto it's HDD. These current gen systems are gimped beyond hell, and it's all for profit with these companies trying to push their monthy paywall music services. Hell, I don't even think the PS4 even plays cd's. LOL

[ZeroX9876]

I wish plex was on PS4, sharing media hasn't been easier than this. I know the X1 recently got it, great initiative from microsoft, if they were the one to approach them. Sony should do the same.

Just got spotify myself (just released in canada, FINALLY!!!) and it's just awesome! they should release the app on PS4 also, would take this over music unlimited. I'm a big metal fan and music unlimited is lacking in the genre.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

for me... it just takes away processing power and RAM for games to utilize...

[mandf]

TImeSkipLuffy You are wrong, the ps4 has a second dedicated chip that processes everything. A game has the same amount of available resources with or without shareplay.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

I don't think that small processor can handle all tasks. GGDR5 RAM also cannot be utilized completely even with the co-processor having its own RAM.

[mandf]

Timeskipluffy it doesn't matter what you believe. Cerny and Shu already stated several times, shareplay, remote play, and broadcasting runs solely off the separate dedicated chip. You don't get to have an opinion when something is based off fact.

[Bennibop]

The separate chip is the reason that Microsoft cannot offer the feature.

[Gravity_DoGG]

You don't think. But Sony knows

[Riderz1337]

You don't "think" it can handle all those tasks?

Go tell that to the engineers/Mark Cerny at Playstation who have been developing the PS4 for 6 years +. You seem to know more than they do.

[spacedelete]

tough luck its happening and nothing you can do to change it. whats funny is you will still try it won't you ? lets hope you don't as you don't want to be a hypocrite now do you ?

[Spotie]

Good lord. It's like people just completely forgot all about the dozens of talks Sony (and specifically Cerny) has had on the innards of the PS4.

Well, rather than forgetting outright, it's more like ignoring for the sake of being a troll.

To hell with the site rules!

[redraider2011]

Would rather Sony just scrap the OS altogether and go back to PS1/PS2 days where you put the game in and it just ran the game. Also those 2 cores and 4 GB of RAM the OS eats up could be used for games and there would definitely be no reason for any game to run less than 1080p/60 fps.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

totally agree. Simple, clean without gimmicks. Just concentrate on what PlayStation always was best. Playing games!

[mandf]

Stop spreading lies. The ps4 has a separate dedicated chip and doesn't use 2 cores for shareplay . Next Mark Cerny said 5.5 gigs are available for developers at this time . He also went on to say more could be given to developers in time. Don't post bs.

[Angrymorgan]

Yea those were the days but, without the os, you couldnt access party chat, frie ds list, ps store etc so we ki da need it

[impet25]

Its alot more technical than that. Using those 2 cores and ram the OS uses doesnt automatically get you 1080P/60 fps. Fps and res has more to do with the GPU than anything else.

[jukins]

I wonder if I can use an external Hdd or does it have to be usb stick.

[uth11]

they *should* be interchangeable as long as the USB ports provide enough power to support the HDD

[ThatOneGuyThere]

or your HDD has its own power source

[Abriael]

Both. Any USB storage.

[Paytaa]

I swear they've been talking about Firmware 2.0 since like June. Why does it take so long for them to implement this? We get an article every day on it yet no release date.

[SoapShoes]

Because it is a huge update with lots of new features, not separated into a bunch of smaller updates(a big complaint with the PS3) and software is tricky. You have to test it to no end to get any and all bugs out before release.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

You know they won't though. When's the last time Sony released an update without having a follow up with a small one to fix it in a few days. A man has seen this song on PS4 and PS3 before it. He loves Sony but they really aren't the best with OS software which is fine as he doesn't really get bothered by this stuff. He's too busy enjoying great Plus games and soon all the Black Friday deals and LBP3!

[GarrusVakarian]

" Why does it take so long for them to implement this? "

Because Sony does things differently to MS, or even how they used to do things with the PS3. They now tend to release huge updates rarely, with multiple big additions, compared to more frequent updates with less additions.

[Paytaa]

I love my PS4 don't get me wrong and I don't really have a problem not having the update it's just they've been talking about it for so long now that you'd think they would have a specific release date. It just sucks when Xbox is getting a ton of new additions each month (I have one but only for exclusives) and I wish Sony kept up that's all.

[Flipfito]

Awesome! I love the music system they have there but unfortunately we can't copy music into the system. What can we do? This is the punishment EVERYONE gets because of few.

[Shad0wRunner]

What punishment?

I dont really understand the NEED to have your MP3's directly on the console's HDD. Is it really too complicated to make a playlist on a flash drive or external HDD and plug it in? o_O

I have a 2TB external HDD with tons of music on it. Structured and organized in seperate genres:

Rock
Classic Rock
Alternative Rock
Metal
Pop
Rap
Dubstep
Trance

All I gotta do, is plug it into the PS4 and I have access to my OWN personal music library that I built and created.

I'll most likely buy a USB hub for more ports...and never unplug my music HDD. Just leave it in there 24/7.

That's MY plan. IDK what ya'll are dooin. LOL

[Bennibop]

I agree, plus you take your HDD over to friends house and use it on other devices!

[Special-Agent-Milo]

As excited as I am about this update, is there any word about the new UI and folders?

[SoapShoes]

Well what they are doing is the bar where games are(whatever they call it) will have 15 of your top apps and the rest will be in the library with a new sort feature. Not folders, but much better than what we have now.

[fudgenasty21]

but what if i want to just plug in my iPod mini? can i do that or do i gotta go and buy a memory stick?

[Muzikguy]

Well, they have to be in a folder called "music" so I don't think so

[migrateddoor]

Bs u can't dl anything to yer "own" HD specially music and videos what happens when network has problems u can't watch what you paid for... I hope they implement this later on guess baby steps..... Release it already stop talking about it dam!

[I_am_Batman]

Can anyone confirm that shareplay is done via streaming or is a download of a fragment of the game nessessary? I don't remember if that was clarified. It sounds like streaming though as other streaming functions are disabled while using shareplay.

I guess it'll stream in a lower quality which is ok if the latency isn't too high. I just hope that the PSN can handle shareplay.

[GameDev1]

It is streaming as the PS4 has the capabilities for remote play directly in its hardware

But yeah I would like to see how it is used basically in the case of will you and your friend get the same game quality?!

[AiirJordann23]

i thought 2.0 was going to have more features than what was announced? am i wrong? if so what do yall think will be in 2.0 besides what was announced?

[Muzikguy]

I hope there's more that wasn't announced. Besides shareplay, the "add to library" and the USB music player I really don't care for it. Better than nothing, but other things are taking way too long IMO to get here.

Also, I find it strange music won't be heard while in videos that were recorded with the PS4. Didn't think it took that much to watch a video, guess I was wrong

Now we just need some good 2player games to check out this shareplay!

[AiirJordann23]

When you edit videos I'm pretty sure you could add a track from the USB music folder. That would be better than nothing. I just want them to let us change our name at least once every 6 months to a year

[StormLegend]

It shouldn't be too long before this is released. I predict either at the end of this month or early next month!.. I just hope they have more than this in the update, since it's taking so long...

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Holy cow a man is tired of all these details on 2.0 just release the damn thing already!

[JMaine518]

Sucks that I can't add the music to the hard drive but flash drives are cheap these days. I can get a 128gb flash drive for $10 at most and that's more than enough space for my itunes library

[uth11]

128Gb for $10?? where?

[JMaine518]

A little over 10 but you get my point http://pages.ebay.com/link/...

[ultralow]

well i will be happy when my ps4 gets this update.......

[360ICE]

A bit bummed that you can't copy music to the HDD. At the very least, I hope I can connect my phone and won't actually have to use a USB stick like you have to to transfer pictures.

[uth11]

If your phone works as a mass storage device, it should work. Sometimes you have to enable this in settings.

[360ICE]

I thought so too, but I think I tried that. Maybe I did something wrong though, because it was a little too silly for it not to work. Like people carry around USB sticks outside of work anymore.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Sucks that ppl won't be able to listen to play our music during livestream,
but no biggie! still glad that i'll be able to listen to my music during gameplay. :-D

[Fullmetalevolust]

woohoo, it's turning out to be a great update! Now let's work on getting a PS4 for myself! haha (aw, I just made myself sad)

[fadeawayjae]

Will an external hard drive work for storing music and videos?

[bazinga_91]

Ps4 keeps getting better and better while competition is looking more like a turd with each passing day. Lmao!

[extravalue]

the competition has a good software on their system
more features than the ps4

im getting me an xbox one next year when i do my taxes
good luck being a fanboy. ill enjoy both piece of hardware

[Yetter]

wtf? are you being serious? The XB1 has a better feature set then any console released to date and it keeps getting more, every single month. Next month, custom themes among many other things

[WitWolfy]

Too bad this feature wont be available in my country...

[Gigus]

Awesome. I just hope they fully work out the kinks before releasing the update.

[MeteorPanda]

AND THEN SEPHIROTH COMES DOWN AND STABS YOU!

Great service! :D

[TWB]

No words about PS1 backwards compatibility ?

Okay.....

[ssjkiet]

I'm still waiting for Sony to implement that massive video format support X1 is getting..... mMMmmmmm mkv :3....

[thanvar]

Regarding PS4's firmware 2.0: What happens to SharePlay if both users have the game? Is it still limited to 1 hour of play?!

[StormLegend]

OMG they need to hurry up with this! it isn't even a lot of stuff..