Habitat Dev On Xbox One: eSRAM Faced No Issues, Has The Horsepower To Deliver 1080p Experience

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[vishmarx]

i dont get these statements , yes obviously xb1 can do 1080p but does it not matter what its running?these are indies that barely ever push hardware
im sure the wii u can run some 2d sprite games at 4k , but that doesnt make it a system that does 4k gaming.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Exactly. PS3 did 1080p 60fps on Wipeout but that doesn't mean it was the standard for the system.

@u got owned
We're saying that just because a game CAN reach those goals doesn't make it the standard for the system. A man has never claimed every game should reach 1080p on PS4 but if the resolution is the same on X1 and PS4 then PS4 should have sort of other improvements simply because the extra 50% GPU power and RAM advantage has to go somewhere or the dev is just lazy or playing parity over making the best possible game on each platform. They should all reach 900p on PS4 at least but mainly you can't make them the same because the systems aren't the same. It's like if PC was capped in favor of PS4 having parity with it.

[u got owned]

So when a Dev says XBO can do 1080p you guys draw the indie, textures etc... card but if the game cant reach 1080p then the other element don't matter just the fact that the game is not 1080p., you guys need to make up your minds or stop the bashing just for the hell of it.

[GamerRetro]

Delusional Sony fan please keep telling yourself ps4 has that 50% extra lmfao keep dreaming your games can hit a solid 60fps so all your games are running at 30fps lmfao that dat power you are referring lmfao dreamers

[darthv72]

Perhaps what people should do is not place expectations in the realm of 1st and 2nd parties on that of the 3rd parties.

Meaning the only ones with no reason to hold back are the 1st/2nd party developers. 3rd parties will either strive for parity or they will diversify their multiplatform projects with some sort of extra content directed to each platform.

This expectation of 'something more' simply because a system is better needs to stop. Especially in regards to looking at non exclusive titles.

[r2oB]

@ darthv72

If gamers shouldn't expect 3rd party developers to maximize the tools given to them by each platform and provide us with the best experience possible (within reason), then perhaps they shouldn't expect gamers to buy their games.

Being 3rd party isn't an excuse to blatantly half-ass a job, especially when the platform you are working with is just as easy, if not, the easiest to develop for... And just as capable, if not, more capable.

That's a very absurd comment you wrote.

[dantesparda]

@u got owned

Are you serious? You're making no sense at all and the fact you got 40 agrees shows how delusional MS fanboys really are and dont get it at all. Its not like when the X1 version of a game has lower res it somehow has better textures, AA, shadows, effects etc, or anything and Sony fanboys ignore that and onl focus on the res. As a matter of fact the X1 ver. not only usually has the lower res but often times also has the lower quality settings on something else. So of course Sony fanboys are going to say something about it being a lower res than the PS4 version. But on games like this, the X1 better damn well be able to at least do these games at 1080p, otherwise it would be even more pathetic than it seems now.

You MS fanboys are pretty delusional if you cant inderstand that.

[u got owned]

@dantesparda

Ha! A fanboy calling me fanboy... :/

Im not gonna even waste my time with a one bubble fanboy like you, it would be like talking to a wall.

[jrshankill]

Please show me a game on the PS4 which shows 50% more power.

Can't? Sure disagree with this comment instead. Seems to be all some people can do around here instead of showing hard proof.

[r2oB]

@ jrshankill

MGS Ground Zero and CoD Ghosts are 1080p on PS4 and 720p on Xbox One, that's over twice the amount of pixels the GPU is outputting. You asked for one game, I named two, happy? Most games output almost 50% more pixels on the PS4 relative to the Xbox One (1080p vs 900p).

[Magicite]

Apparently X1 is struggling to reach 1080p mostly in open-world games, similar like PS3. And both have issue in RAM.

[uth11]

This is a typical gamingbolt headline. They ask every developer that question.

[ricochetmg]

SHOW ME THE MONEY.

[C-H-E-F]

These devs of these small titles trip me out, duh your little puny game can deliver 1080p 60fps without esram issues because it's a puny game. Games that needs that 102 octane racing fuel engines will lock up because the xbox 1 only has premium 93 to offer. If it's struggling now with ps3/360 ports so to speak what makes the next 5-8 years more likely to deliver a true next gen experience on all cylinders. Spec wise we know what the xbox will be able to do, and in order for it to give the illusion of 1080p 60fps of big AAA titles they will have to strip out sooo many assets and make alot of stuff within the environment static and not dynamic "cooked assets" so that it can give off the "next gen appeal". A perfect example is Forza.

[BX81]

@vishmarx. Yes and you can have a great looking game that's not 1080p. For some reason a fire was fueled making some sheep believe that if a game wasn't 1080p, it simply couldn't look good. Realistically this isn't the case. The thing is xb1 has full fledged 1080p titles not just indies. We might see less as the gen goes on but who knows.

[MRMagoo123]

There is nothing in the article stating anything to do with the esram or ease to get to 1080p why does the title mention that? It's click bait.

[frostypants]

Yeah. The PS3 could do 1080p (see: Wipeout HD). The trick is running 1080p with good textures and effects.

[u got owned]

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[starchild]

Well, from what I have seen it is usually you guys making statements like "the PS4 can do 1080p and 60fps and the Xbox One can't". I've seen multiple Sony fanboys make a blanket statement like that and it's just silly.

Any console can do 1080p and 60fps, it's just a matter of the trade-offs you are going to have to make to get there.

Neither console can do a guaranteed 1080p/60fps if the game is demanding enough. Most games so far have been 30fps for this reason. Devs would rather push other aspects of the graphics or game design over faster framerates or, in some cases, higher resolutions.

[illAmpRefugee]

Its all magic walla

[OB1Biker]

Dont read Gaminbot articles its a waste of time

[d_g]

im xbox fan but this is bullsh*t It's just indie game

[123pol]

Don't doubt the xbox ONE's capable to make 1080p games but then they have to sacrifice the textures and other stuff.

[LoydX-mas]

Same can be said about PS4.
1080p on a lot of games, but lots of fog and few AI characters

[Jaqen_Hghar]

nobody says PS4 is ALWAYS gonna get 1080p but it should always be higher in certain than Xbox. Whether that's textures, framerate, foliage, shadows, resolution, etc. isn't important but devs need to stop with this parity nonsense.

[LoydX-mas]

As far as I know this is the only multi-plat game developed strictly for the next-gen systems that a developer admits they went for parity.

If it continues with other developers on more next-gen only games then maybe people should be asking why, otherwise get used to the fact that the PS4 will have limits on new engines and the Xone will have limits on older engines.

[Play2Win]

There is enough power for high quality textures. Thing is what is going on screen and what does the developer want in the game. It's not just a strange coincidence that exclusives on consoles have much better visuals than multis. They are developed around the specific hardware. Even things a distance can be rendered sharp and good looking because you can use all the tricks the system has. Which take a hell of time but you have this time when you are developing exclusively. But the more systems you need to adress you need the lowest common thread and scale/build up on that which will never be as good. But dont mix visuals wich actuall technology in real-time which games on PC do far more often do.

[Muzikguy]

Strategy game?? <facepalm>

They must think everyone is stupid or something. "Xbox one has no problems doing 1080P"

No sh*^ it's a freakin monopoly game! Wow

[ScottyHoss]

It has troubles but it's doable. Wolfenstein was 1080p 60fps on both consoles, no textures were forfeited to achieve that either. On comparisons grounds the PS4 is more powerful, but both can hit 1080p, with work, and not without problems in the development process.

[jagermaster619]

Nicely done

[valet_Smerdyakov]

Unfortunately Wolfenstein was not quite 1080p. Quoting from the Digital Foundry face-off article:

"Having now completed our analysis, it's clear that the PS4 gains an advantage with smaller drops in resolution that occur less frequently than they do on Xbox One. Metrics in the area of 1760x1080 are found on PS4, while on the Xbox One this can drop to an extreme of 960x1080 in some scenes. This is usually identifiable by an increase in the amount of jaggies on screen, along with a slightly fuzzier appearance to the already gritty aesthetic that Machine Games employs throughout the game."

[Kribwalker]

@valet

Funny, I remember when Sony fans continuously told me its 1080p if the horizontal lines are 1080. Didn't matter if it was 960x1080 (Killzone shadowfall comes to mind) it was 1080p. So are you now confirming that Killzone shadowfall was not 1080p?

[Muzikguy]

Yes, it all depends on the game. Wolfenstein looks nice now but by the end of this gen it will be dated. It's already getting there. It's still a good game though

[BG11579]

@Scottyhoss; for you're info in Wolfesntein both consoles were using scalable engine, with means that sometimes the resolution dropped.
For example in certain situations the Xbone had to drop resolution to 960x1080 to maintain the framerate. The PS4 had to drop it to 1760x1080p in the same situations...
The 1080p resolution is 1900x1080p. So none of the consoles could have maintain the 1080p 60fps without these scaling engines.
Props for the PS4 that still holds with a big margin a better resolution.
Here is a link of all the AAA and resolution/framerate for the PS4 and Xbone. Go check it.
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/xbo...

[ScottyHoss]

@BG11579 I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info, bubble up for helpful.

[Kakashi Hatake]

Microsoft has a lot of paid damage control this gen.

[Bowsers_Hard_Tail]

Proof? Source???

[bleedsoe9mm]

good to hear looks like a fun game regardless

[MRMagoo123]

Did you read the article ? The guy doesn't even mention the stuff in the title, all he says is the pc version looks good he doesn't even use the word esram once.

[kalimero2]

Dragon Age: Inquisition Will Run at 1080p on PS4, 900p on Xbox One http://n4g.com/news/1602111...

Lords of the Fallen is 900p on Xbox One, 1080p on PS4 http://n4g.com/news/1591788...

DF: Shadow of Mordor PS4 1080p vs XBONE 900p http://www.gamefaqs.com/boa...

PES 2015 renders at 1080p on PS4, 720p on Xbox One http://www.computerandvideo...

Metro Redux - PS4/One locked at 60fps (Rock solid) 912p on One http://sidescrollers.net/in...

Dev: Project Cars on PS4 runs at 1080p/60FPS, But "Slightly Lower" Resolution on Xbox One

Sunset Overdrive Confirmed 900p, 30fps For Xbox One http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Fable Legends currently Sub-1080p running at 30fps; May change by release http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Notramagama]

Didn't shadow of mordor get a 1080p update? And as a note NEVER reference cinema blend. They are sad and honestly demerit any argument

[MRMagoo123]

Nope it didn't.

[MasterCornholio]

What's wrong with Cinema blend? The developers themselves said that SO would run in 900P so I dont see how that information is invalid because it came from cinemablend.

[nucky64]

this just in: x1 will do "tic tac toe" in 1080p. - so the system MUST have plenty of power to do assassins creed: unity in 1080p. - S

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

How is the performance or lack of performance of the Xbox One relevant to anything relating to the PlayStation 4? Just wondering why this article is in the PS4 section.

[MRMagoo123]

The guy doesn't really mention either they say the game is coming to pc ps4 and xbone and then says it's looking good on pc. The title isn't even relevant.

[VP37]

The article that should be on the front page here on N4g is the Digital Foundry interview with the Forza Horizon-2 developers. It's a lot more interesting than this one, and it has some interesting insight into the X1.

Enjoy the whole resolution war while it lasts, cause' it ain't gonna last forever ;)

[MRMagoo123]

It won't last forever because this gen won't last forever but the xbone will be second best against ps4 this whole gen tho.

[Spotie]

It'll last as long as console manufacturers field different hardware sets.

Which is pretty much forever.

[Dannylew]

Yes.. at what cost ?. framerate ?. lightning ? AI ?. Dynamic volumetric ?.

xbox one is the most worst hardware ever created... and i't s good because microsoft is like this.. made shit just to be a part of a portfolio...

[PCBOX]

Look at the comments above !!!simply no words to describe those people!!!!then those people calling Xbox fans of trolling PS4 articles.

They say the XO can not deliver demanding games at 1080p sorry but what is FH2(OW,jaw dropping graphics,4xMSAA),TRDE,Destiny, Sleeping Dogs(OW)etc....You people are joke.The funny part is None of the PS4 games can not handle at 1080p,with 4xMSAA,Open World elements.Only game using 4xMSAA is The Order 1886 only at 800p plus corridored type game.

"To be clear, x800 with 4xMSAA needs more bandwidth than x1080 would, so 1080 no MS would be cheaper."

http://www.dualshockers.com...

The res issues originating from wrong API.It is mostly bandwith problem has nothing to do GPU and CPU of XO.The dx12 brings specific features and tools to maximixe the efficiency of eSRAM.FH2 uses some dx12 features and the conclusion is superb.Cant wait for the next dx12 titles.Gonna be exciting.

[DigitalRaptor]

No words to describe those people other than truth tellers, logical folk, or simply those who don't warp the truth to fit their biased agenda?

FH2 is a great looking game, but it's not "jaw dropping". Tomb Raider and Sleeping Dogs are both last-gen games. Destiny has nice art but isn't pushing the hardware, with it being a cross-gen game.

Then there's this laughable "800p" point. Only brain-dead fanboys think The Order: 1886 is 800p, because you can be damn sure you'd get laughed out of the conversation if you call widescreen letter-boxed Blu-ray film and TV conversations anything less than the native 1080p they were encoded in. You guys never learn.

PS4 is handling open-world games just fine. The 4xMSAA is an excuse reserved for the current, until you can no longer use that argument anymore. Assassin's Creed IV, GTA V, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Lords of the Fallen and last but not least The Witcher 3.

The latter 2 open-world games are not cross-generational, but 1080p open-world games native to next-gen hardware, whilst the Xbone versions are 900p. There is no open-world game using 4xMSAA or not, that is pushing benchmarks on PC or console like The Witcher 3 is, and that game is just the start of developers giving up on last-gen consoles and pushing next-gen hardware.

"The res issues originating from wrong API."
Incorrect. CD Projeck Red have already said that the DX12 api doesn't help their massively ambitious open-world RPG reach 1080p: http://www.gamespot.com/art...

How much worse do you think this argument is going to get for you when games made for next-gen hardware actually start pushing the boundaries?

[starchild]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. You said:

-"Then there's this laughable "800p" point. Only brain-dead fanboys think The Order: 1886 is 800p, because you can be damn sure you'd get laughed out of the conversation if you call widescreen letter-boxed Blu-ray film and TV conversations anything less than the native 1080p they were encoded in."

From a hardware perspective The Order 1886 is rendering fewer pixels than 1080p, period. That's all there is to it. All the other talk is just deflection and semantics.

It's probably not correct to call it 800p, since there is no accepted standard resolution that that number refers to, but it most certainly is a lower resolution than 1080p.

The Order 1886 is rendered with 1920 x 800 pixels, which is 537,600 fewer pixels than a native 1080p game. This is much closer to 900p in terms of the demands on the hardware.

Calling it 1080p in the context of hardware demands is very disingenuous. I guess using that line of reasoning we could theoretically render a game at 1920 x 80 and it would be drastically easier to render than the same game at 1920 x 1080, but we could call it 1080p since it still has 1920 lines of horizontal resolution. Even though it would be a thin line across the middle of the screen and would make the game unplayable we could still call it 1080p going by your logic.

Don't be absurd. Rendering fewer pixels means fewer demands on the hardware. This frees up resources to use on other areas of the graphics.

The Order 1886 looks fantastic and could very well be a great game, so you don't need to misrepresent the facts about it.

[Majin-vegeta]

Every game you just mentioned has a last gen port try again...

[Perkel]

ofcourse. Then why almost every multiplat on Xone is worse in therm of GFX ?

[DougLord]

No 1080p is all that matters. It can be Super Street Fighter 2. If it's 1080p is gets a 10/10. If it's 900p it gets a 2/10.

[Angeljuice]

@PCBOX
I have reported your PM to the mods. I don't have a clue why you sent me such an offensive message.

[reko]

He sent me one too lol

[matt139]

900p 60fps should be the standard.

[ATi_Elite]

Ok seems many good devs have the esram figured out or can ask another xb1 developer or MS themselves for help.

Next MS sounded off on Teh Cloudzzz so I'm waiting to see a Game really turn up the cloud rendering or Ai hopefully at e3 2015

Then I expect directX 12 improved performance only because MS threw that out there.

Xb1 gpu it is what it is but then again I play games for the huge world's and advanced game play and resolution shouldn't be a selling point.

720p 60fps or 900p 30fps depending on genre but true next gen game play.

[ScorpiusX]

Man this is getting old already, Phil Spencer need to lay down a Fk Ultimatum towards all these loud mouth developers that do nothing but talk out their rears . Challenge them to getting their games to 1080 on the system , if they can't , but in house teams can then IP is forfeit to MS but if they can reach 1080 without MS. MS pays for all marketing on Xbox one . Let's how many of the loudmouth are up for it . Bet none of them have a set to take such a challenge.

[ATi_Elite]

Yeh reach 1080p but sacrifice game play and game world I'll pass.

2 on screen enemies at a time with limited ai in a virtual cooridor minimum environmental interactions is not fun to me.

Give me unlimited possibilities and info with tools in a huge game world that I can alter or at least leave a lasting mark at 720p and I would be happy but.....

We are different gamers with different taste so I respect what you like to play but keep in mind you are sacrificing game play for 1080p.

[ScorpiusX]

I like 1080 just as much as anyone but am not willing to lose game play , cool on screen improvement , frame rate just for 1080. Am very happy with 900, 742,720 my rant was more of a dare of sorts tiring of the mentality most of these developer's are taking due to infatuation of a select few .

[mysteryraz11]

ps4 is hitting 1080p in nearly every game, sure x1 is hitting 1080p in games like destiny and sleeping dogs and fh2 and others but is mostly doing 900p

[Foehammer]

http://ca.ign.com/wikis/xbo...

Mostly 1080p actually

Edit

@Ziggurcat, learn to read, mysteryraz11 said "mostly doing 900p".

There are only 12 or 13 900p, so you just proved me right. Like you said, no targeted included.

The fact stands, the most used resolution on X1 is 1080p

then 900p

then 720p

then 912p

Include the targeted and you can put all the non 1080p together and 1080p is still the majority.

#dealwithit

[ziggurcat]

no, actually.

mostly 900p/720p if you bothered to actually count.

it's 18 1080p vs 24 non-1080p (note: i did not count games that said "targeted" or any game that wasn't 1080p all the way through - like TR, wolfenstein or MCC - in either of those counts)

[ziggurcat]

i wasn't responding to mysteryraz.

you said, "mostly 1080p". and you're wrong. it's mostly not 1080p,.. so again, the only person here that needs to "#dealwithit" is you.

there's no proving you right because your statement wasn't, "there are more 1080p titles than 900p titles." you literally just said, "mostly 1080p actually", and linked a list of games that clearly shows that the majority of the games on xbone are *not* 1080p. so you've been proven wrong by your own presented evidence.

and you can't include targeted because those resolutions haven't been confirmed.

[Foehammer]

Grow a set of balls Ziggurcat

My response is clearly under mysteryraz11.

It's claim is "mostly 900p"

My proven point, mostly 1080p.

You are trying to bundle other resolutions together, 720, 912, and 900.

1080p is the most used resolution
900 second
720 third
912 last

#dealwithit.

You also need to count again, 22 at 1080p, not including targeted.

[ziggurcat]

And my response is clearly under yours.

You did not say, "there are more 1080p titles than 900p titles", you said, "mostly 1080p actually."

You're wrong because it's mostly not 1080p.

But you are right about one thing - I did miscount, but the number is 19 instead of 18. I had omitted GTAV for some reason. And you cannot include tomb raider, wolfenstein or the MCC because they are not 1080p all the way through.

[quenomamen]

X1 can do 1080p games all day ! we just choose not to.

[Azzanation]

Alot of you fans in this thread are taking this way to seriously. Alot of you are judging the X1 based off its launch which developers didnt have the latest SKUs and experience with the Hardware. Lets remember that both consoles have very similar technology with the same amount of Ram. Both powerful for what they need to do an seems to slightly favor the PS4 but only by 180p. The X1 was designed around DX12 which isnt out yet which will only help devs hit 1080p on release. At the end of the day both consoles can achieve the same polys, effects, frames and Res it just depends on the developer. I didnt buy a X1 to show off 1080p I brought it for its game like Forza Horizon 2 (which is 1080p) Sunset Overdrive and Halo MCC plus the online infrastructure which is the best in its class. Sales and specs mean nothing to me if the games (like Drive Club, Killzone) lack fun factor.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

its a fking indy game,indys dont push much,unless its maybe the particles in resogun ..

azznation,you havent played killzone or driveclub have you,,,lacking fun on driveclub is retarded,its a damn fine game,killzone multi player is fantastic.