Vive la résolution Assassin's Creed dev thinks industry is dropping 60 fps standard

An Assassin's Creed developer explains why 60fps is not only unnecessary, but harmful to games.

[lastofpix]

I personally couldn’t care less.

I never cared before when I started gaming with my ps2/x360 and I still don’t care now.

As long as the game content is rock-solid, I’m set to go. Way too many people this generation knocking devs for not getting games to the 1080p 60fps “standard” and I think that’s a shame.

I’d rather see more things happening on screen and a have a solid 30 FPS and whatever pixels rather than having the devs cut content/particle effects and whatnot to reach the 1080p 60fps bar.

[MrSwankSinatra]

Fun Fact: most PS2 games ran at 60 FPS.

Regardless of what you want to see, 60 FPS should be the standard over resolution. 60 FPS offers a better gameplay experience than 30 FPS ever could and anyone can't deny this.

[Metallox]

Solid frame rate, couldn't care less about 60 FPS and huge resolutions.

Look at some Wii U ports, they're very good examples of how a stable frame rate must be one of the highest priorities of your games.

[starchild]

60fps absolutely is a lot nicer than 30fps, both for controller response and for the smoothness of the visuals.

But it's still not a good trade off for the consoles. Running a game at 60fps instead of 30fps requires literally twice the performance from the hardware. It's like suddenly having half as powerful a console. That's half the power for all the other graphical elements you want to render.

It's usually not a smart trade off. On PC you can have the graphics and the high framerates and it's not a problem because people can always upgrade, but consoles have fixed hardware and trade-offs always have to be made.

@ Metallox

I agree with you about the importance of a solid framerate. I'd say that having a solid, consistent framerate should be a priority, even if it is only 30fps.

Solid 60fps > solid 30fps > variable framerate between 30fps and 60fps > variable framerate under 30fps. In other words, 60fps is better than 30fps if you can achieve it, but a solid 30fps is better than a fluctuating framerate, and especially better than one that falls below 30fps.

[T900]

Poor console gamers after all the promises made to them. Just like every gen lol.

[HaveSumNuts]

Funny how Ubisoft were so proud to say they were targeting 60fps on consoles for Unity. Now because they can't reach it, it's suddenly harmful to games. Weren't they they also touting that Rainbow Six will be 60fps? Ubisoft has lied and back tracked so much that they seem to me like one of those compulsive lyiers who go on Dr Phil to get help.

[mikeslemonade]

Poor console gamers..^ What? We got the best looking current AAA games and in 2015. Best value is PS4 still compared to PC. $400 the entry price to play great looking multiplats, exclusives, and sports games.

Back on topic: My personal opinion 40-45 frames is where it's a necessary sacrifice of hardware power on the consoles. If I had it my way I'd want 720p and 60 frames for all games and then save the rest of the hardware power for the actual graphics.

[Utalkin2me]

@T900

"Poor console gamers after all the promises made to them. Just like every gen lol."

Really? Some of my best gaming came from consoles last generation. I couldn't imagine missing out on some of the console exclusives last gen and thats all 3 consoles.

[donthate]

Sinatra:

I think what should happen is the developer decides what the resolution and frame rate should be to match their vision of how gamers should experience the game.

Personally, there has only been a select few games that I cared about the frame rate, and that was Titanfall and Forza 5. In both instances, the twitch and smoothness was important to the game play, but many games do fine without it like Halo in the past, and more recently Destiny.

What I find more troubling are vast resources spent on optimizing for very little return instead of trying to make a good game.

DriveClub another casualty in this war was delayed, made super beatiful, but the game was critically panned. Wouldn't it have been better for the developer to spend that time making more content or increase game immersion? Improve the experience?

[Mr Pumblechook]

Nicolas Guérin sounds like a spokesman for the PDF, (Parity Defence Force).

Having played The Last of Us (30fps) and The Last of Us Remastered (60fps) I can absolutely see the difference in fluidity with 60fps and the game is better for it.

[Volkama]

Gameplay definitely feels better at 60fps, it is quantifiably more responsive.

But what about the pure visual standpoint? Did anyone here feel that The Hobbit looked "weird" at 48fps?

[iNFAMOUZ1]

halo 1, 2, 3, 4, reach says hi, oh and so does the million upon millions

[Vegamyster]

@Volkama

Watching The Hobbit at 48 fps feels weird because no one is used to watching a movie above 24 fps. Regarding games it's not the same because you're the one in control of the camera/movement, movies have to limit how fast they can move the camera to prevent too much blur and nausea.

[Volkama]

I didn't know the Hobbit was 48fps when I watched it, and I didn't notice anything weird myself.

Although I watched it on the PS3 or Xbox One, which may output at 24p either way? And I watched it in frame packed 3D, so I don't think the HDMI spec would even have allowed true 48frames per second 3D so I guess my experience of the film is voided completely :)

So you did find it to look odd?

[ABizzel1]

Assassin's Creed Dev is FoS.

60fps is a much better framerate than 30fps in almost all circumstances. It reduces latency for controls, improves animation, and provides a smoother experience and feel to games.

I completely agree when it comes to movies, I don't like true motion, because it looks unnatural, but a game isn't a movie with real life actors, it's a CG image.

If you're making a game that's graphically intensive then a locked 30fps isn't a bad trade off, but if you can achieve 60fps within your vision, then that's the obvious road to take.

[mixolydian_id]

60 fps makes for a more fluid experience.
Frame drops kill the experience.

Resolution is important... but 'p's' don't make a game great. Visual fidelity is the amazing icing on the cake.

I'd take 720p locked 60fps with enhanced graphic effects/techniques anyday.
1080p locked 30fps isn't so bad of course.

If you're a graphic artist in a games company that's paid 30K a year, it would suck to have your graphical work scaled down to a lower resolution.

It's a decision that needs to be made with reference to the game your looking to create.

Visual spectacle? 1080p
Fluid gaming experience and control? 60fps.

Consoles won't ever be the pinnacle gaming experience because it's a affordable/mainstream consumer device.

I like my FPS quick and fluid... doesn't mean that 30fps is bad... it'll be fine.
Everyone will have the same experience as you.

What would really suck would be to be playing a PC game with a pro player who has a 3k PC playing at 120fps at 1440p.
Basically, you don't stand a chance.

At least you are running the same performance as the competition on console.
So even if 15fps... you're all in the same boat... so the FPS argument is redundant.

It all comes down to the level of expertise within the AAA game developer world NOT scaling to the consumable device experience.

Compare "Transformers" to "Monsters inc".
CGI is way more affordable then it used to be and top quality expertise are readily available... the final film is rendered out and shipped. Job done.
Nobody has to sacrifice their hard work for the cinema screen.

It's like writing a massive letter to a friend (Game). Then having to fold it 4 times to fit it into a tiny envelope (Console).

Either something has got to give... or people should not give a F***.

[Volkama]

@Abizzel "true motion" and other smoothing effects look weird because they interpolate processed extra frames.

The Hobbit was shot natively at 48hz, so it has the higher refresh but none of the fakery. More in line with a game rendering at 60hz.

[blackmagic]

@Volkama
I did see The Hobbit at 48fps in theater and did feel it looked weird and I have spent a lot of time thinking about why including an additional screening of the 48fps version.

Some people attribute it to the fact that we are trained to watch film at 24fps since we have done it all our lives but this has never been an explanation which has sat well with me since I have always enjoyed gaming at higher framerates so much. After a lot of thought I think I figured out why it looked weird to me in film but better in games.

Film is about the suspension of disbelief, it's about taking a bunch of actors in make-up and costumes running around on sets swinging rubber swords and transforming them into hobbits, dwarves and elves. It is a subtle play of illusion because the eye is extremely perceptive and if the image is too detailed, if there is too much information, then the suspension of disbelief is broken. Suddenly your eye can pick out the artificial, realize that the hobbits, dwarves and elves on screen are actually actors on sets wearing make-up and costumes swinging rubber swords.

Games are the opposite. They are trying to create belief. They are trying to fool the eye into believing that the digital constructs on our screens are real and when more detail is given to our eyes, it looks better.

[herbs]

Ubisoft sure say some really stupid things. Some devs prefer to make games with a higher degree of response and control than others example Nintendo.

[MrPink2013]

I don't know of game game that felt better at 30 frames per second to that of 60. We all know the real reason and the author illustrated about Ratchet games. The reason why Insomniac changed from 60 to 30 was because they know better graphics sell more than higher frame rates. So they wanted at the time to push graphics on the PS3. It's the same thing with Ubisoft, they want to push graphics more at the cost of frame rate and consoles alwayes have a certain threshold. Developers will continue to push the hardware as much as they can. Just like Driveclub and Forza Horison 2 that just came out. If they could have achieved 60 frames per sesond while maintaining the effects and graphics they would have.

[Vegamyster]

@MrPink2013

What's funny is their last 60 fps game R&C A Crack In Time sold over 3 times as much as R&C Into The Nexus which was 30 fps.

[avengers1978]

You STARTED gaming on PS2/360.... Damn I feel old.

[Tapani]

Yeah, same here. I was just reminiscing the 80s and 90s games with my friend. We came to a conclusion that the PSX-era games without a very few exceptions were much better than the new, so called "AAA" games. 90s had the last good games. And no, it's not nostalgy, it's pure game design. Games used to be much more complex and the systems were designed with care and innovation.

I slowly lost my interest in gaming during the PS2 era and hence forth. Been just picking up the cream of the crop, but eventually, after finishing them new games, I just end up giving them a solid 8/10 at best.

Somehow, the 3D transition with the fundamental change in concept didn't translate too well into solid gameplay. Maybe Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time ruined us for good in the world of 3D. Shenmue 1-2 were good 3D games as well (especially the Japanese versions with brilliant voice acting).

Everything is just a copy of a copy of a copy, with a very few exceptions. Even most of the indie games copy 80s or 90s concepts, with again, some exceptions here and there.

Maybe it's the money, maybe it's the casualization (tutorials, minimaps, handholding) or maybe I grew old.

Nowadays people talk about silly things like frame-rate and resolution that have pretty much nothing to do with the concept or design of the game, except for the utmost outer layer of the onion, so to speak. No wonder developers put out crappy products, when the fans are nitpicking about the absolutely wrong things.

Enjoy your perfect frame-rate and resolution while I enjoy my classic 320x240 games with unstable framerate while getting more joy out of them.

Rant over.

[smolinsk]

Yes ha ha :-D me to, I started with commodore, the first game I played was pong in 79, so yes I feel old to :-D

[mixolydian_id]

I was only a little kid... but I remember playing 'dizzy'.

Can't remember why it crashed so much... Just what the hell was the cassette player for? Playing music? or was it a data cassette?

We should all remember that Sony (although pushing 3d graphics) are responsible for redonkulous loading times on games.

Nes, Snes, N64 cartridges were a breath of fresh air.
Then again, nostalgia is blowing the hell out of the cassette because the game won't load ha ha

[spacedelete]

what you and others don't know framerate is a part of the gameplay. the higher the framerate the smoother and better the gameplay. i'd like to see you play a game at 5 or 10fps and try telling me thats fun.

[AuToFiRE]

You should care, now you have no buffer zone and will see much more stuttering.

[Dontworrybhappy]

Agreed. I use to care until I played Destiny. The frames never drop in this game. Solid 30 over a stutter (BF4) 60 any day now for me!

[N311V]

In the past I would have agreed with you but after playing Tomb Raider Definitive Edition and The Last of Us Remastered at 60fps it's hard to go back. I cringe when I move the camera faster than a snails pace and everything goes blurry at 30fps.

[KrisButtar]

Lazy. I've played games at 30fps and then bumped them up to 60fps. The difference may not be great but it is smoother and helps immersion. Helps with controls as there is less input delay. I would rather them cut some minor effects than drop the 60fps if the consoles couldn't handle it.

[SuperBlunt]

Naughty dog, kojima, and 343 would like to talk to you

[T900]

Every uncharted released till date has been 30fps, just so you know :P.

How do we know about the next one, when Sony has a history of over promising and under delivering.

[Eonjay]

Please read the article. The man is saying that even if you can do 60, you should stick to 30 because it looks more natural (even on PC). The man is insane.

[T900]

And whos to blame for this garbage, consoles and their low standards, never had such limitations previously on the PC.

Any how it doesnt effect the PC platform since the community will release a patch to fix what the devs break. Happens every time.

[Qrphe]

>effect

[Riderz1337]

Naughty Dog already confirmed 1080P 60 FPS.

This is Naughty Dog, not Sony saying that.

[Palitera]

If it doesn't "effect" PC gaming, why do you sound SO hurt?

Oh, yeah, we know. Console gaming leads AND rules the market.

[Locknuts]

Play TLOU remastered at 60fps and then switch to 30fps lock. The difference is night and day even in a cinematic game and you won't want to go back. Ubisoft are full of it.

[Knushwood Butt]

Yeah, TLOU Remastered is smooth as butter.

I can just slowly move the camera or player character around and soak up the lush visuals and environments.

Gets my vote, but helps that the game itself is awesome!

[DevilOgreFish]

I hope the PC community doesn't have to Mod this in too, jeez.

[ProLogX]

I could not possibly disagree more.

Games feel so much cleaner and smoother running at 60fps.

Honestly I would rather developers start focusing more on frame rate than reaching 1080p.

[BitbyDeath]

Nope.
Not everyone games on a small monitor/tv.

[ProLogX]

I game on a 55inch TV.

Still would rather play a 900p game at 60fps, than a 1080p game at 30fps any day.

Really can you imagine how nice Destiny would have been at 60fps?? Ugh. missed opportunity..

[MRMagoo123]

@prolog

Dropping 180p wont get you the performance needed to get from 30fps to 60fps its pretty much right on double the power needed. Destiny would have never been 60fps unless they dropped it down to 720p and 720p looks like dvd quality compared to 1080p.

As much as I would rather 60fps, I would rather have solid 30fps at 1080p than solid 60fps at 720p.

[Palitera]

But that's not what gamers want. If anything, these last days of PSN "working" like a turd (and the absolute silence about it) have shown that what really matters to them is that the resolution on ps4 must be higher than on xb1. All the rest is irrelevant. No problem if the ps4 is cheaply made, the services are incredibly unstable and slow, it's just overpromising and hypnosis.
These idiots are the ones that will make us end the generation again playing BELOW 30 fps. But no problem. As long as it's 1080p and Xb1 gets 1079p it is all perfect in the land of infinite hype.

[Angeljuice]

The PS4 outperforms XB1 with or without Sony fanboys demanding it. Funny how the "cheaply made" console outperforms the overpriced cut-down "PS4 lite" that is the XBone.
You are blaming PS4 fans for Microsofts inability to produce a forward thinking console design.

If anything keeps titles under 30f/s for this generation, it'll be Microsoft designing a console around a multi-media first philosophy and the fool's they conned into buying into their (lack of ) vision.

[ComBaTs0uL]

It does take away the cinematic feel of a game, its like watching a film on a fast tv it doesn't look right..

[allgamespc2012]

lmao, this made me laugh hard. thanks for todays ignorant gamer, did you know my opinion is fact? episode

[Dasteru]

Another clueless moron. Video games are not rendered the same as movies and have no such issues when rendered above 24fps. The higher the frame rate, the better, always and with no exceptions. If you think they do not look right, then you are either stone blind or dumb as sin.

[tee_bag242]

Haha... so much derp.. where to begin!

[herbs]

But games look so much more filmic at 30fps right guys riiiight?!

[Angeljuice]

24 f/s is industry standard for film, if you use 30f/s it looks less filmic and more like a tv image.
If devs wanted to make something more 'filmic', why use a TV standard? I haven't seen any games targeting 24f/s, so the whole argument is flawed.

[user5669510]

Bookmark this. If ND or any other Sony dev reach 60fps they will say how every game needs it and how it's the bees knees.

Remember it only matter when Sony does it, and when they do its new

[Eonjay]

"because you don’t gain that much from 60 fps and it doesn’t look like the real thing,” Guérin told TechRadar. ”It’s a bit like The Hobbit movie, it looked really weird."

I don't even know what to say to this. What is the "real thing"? Is it 24fps cinema style?

Someone should let Nvida know that they should stop now. That their graphics cards are running at framerates that are just "weird". Where does Ubisoft find these guys?

[stragomccloud]

Ummm okay Ubisoft! Wow... they used to be my favorite 3rd party publisher... now.... hmm... I don't think I have a favorite...

Least disliked maybe? Hard to choose what my least disliked publisher is now these days. Well, among major publishers anyway...

[Perjoss]

Forget the punlishers mate, if you want to be a fan of something in gaming look towards the dev teams or even individual developers.

[stragomccloud]

Which is what I do. However, certain companies used to constantly produce unique and cool experiences.

These days... it's all about Michael Ancel(still), or even Bioware(in spite of ME3), cd projekt red, etc.

[sipale]

I played TLOU on the ps3 and bought the remastered version on the ps4 and having played it in 60fps, I cant ever imagine going to 30fps with this particular game. So much more fluid and responsive

[LegoIsAwesome]

Big words coming from a company who is full of lies,delays,crap and sh*t.

[Dasteru]

Movies and video games are not the same. If these meat heads honestly believe the crap they are spewing, they need to drop out of the industry now. They are a bunch of clueless wannabees that have no idea what they are talking about, and are not remotely qualified to be making video games.

"We’ll wait and see whether 60fps becomes an unwarranted feature rather than standard quality expectation"

It became a standard quality expectation 12+ years ago, morons.

[n4rc]

Blatantly wrong..

60fps is not a requirement. Most games don't benefit very much from it..so I guess that part is correct

But anyone saying it isn't better then 30fps is a liar or simply ignorant.

It takes sacrifices in other (sometimes more important) areas to achieve it. So its not always worthwhile but that's a different subject really.

If all things are equal then 60fps is better then 30fps every single time in every single way.

[arbitor365]

there are PS2 games that are easier on the eyes than alot of new titles because they run at 60fps. anyone who cant see the importance of framerate is a moron who definitely shouldnt be developing games

[MasterCornholio]

Ubisoft is starting to get really weird in my opinion.......

[Remy_Chaos]

At least your noticing, but they've been "weird" for quite some time now.

[ashen122]

by tomorrow this article will be really hot. lol but not with agrees

[Relientk77]

Um since when does Ubisoft speak for all video game developers

[UNKLE]

when people will understand 60fps is no need! 30fps is totally fine we played games in old times psx much slower than 30fps and we enjoyed it! 60fps go to hell i enjoy 30fps and fullhd.who want always 60fps thats a pretty snob thing.

[herbs]

Gamers who prefer gameplay to graphics maybe. Did that even cross your narrow mind...

[Scatpants]

I really couldn't care less about this. I've played tons of games that run at 30 fps and had a perfectly good time. The difference between 30 and 60 isn't enough to dramatically affect my enjoyment of a game so I don't care. The consoles are just not powerful enough so constantly whining about it in tons of articles does nothing but bore me.

[tee_bag242]

Ubisoft, you flock of shills, crawl back from whence you came!

[CervantesPR1]

i wish consoles would be upgradable so we could have PC graphics but the benefits and the simplicity of a console as well as the 1st party exclusives that are much more superior than PC exclusives.

[uncharted56]

You can drop 60 fps all you want because I am dropping AC and every other Ubi title in the foreseeable future from my to play list. I am done with Ubisoft. There was a time when I used to love this company, thought they were better publishers then EA and Activision. Goodbye UBISOFT!

[VJGenova]

Ubisoft has been very disappointing as of late. Tbh, I'm sick of the ubisoft formula anyway. Over the next few months, there are way better games coming out than any of the AC games.

[uncharted56]

Agreed!

[ripyernutzof]

And you know that great trailer for the Division? Well we had to gimp the actual game because releasing a product to match expectations could, you know,harm games. And our profit margin. Allegedly.

[Somebody]

You make games not movies! Stop it with the 'cinematic' bull you're trying to shove our throats. Console games were 30fps during the previous gen and no one bothered to call them cinematic.

It's almost like the time when Ubisoft used the phrase 'social elements' to justify enforcing the always online DRM on it's PC titles not too ling ago.

[VJGenova]

Anyone who says games look better at 30 FPS because they like the "cinematic" feel doesn't know what they're talking about. In order to get a "cinematic" feel the frames need to be blended together like they are in movies and TV. But guess what medium doesn't blend framerate? Oh that's right, videogames.

[aerisbueller]

I have to say Ubisoft has gone from sounding stupid with their 'please don't argue' parity reasoning, to just bizarre. Are they really that out of touch, and really that clueless about everything? Much like low resolution, 30fps can mask imperfections and help bridge uncanny valley, but that just means that at higher framerates and resolutions, art and animation need to be at a higher standard to look realistic (if that's what you're going for)

The industry will never ever in a million years collectively decide to drop 60fps standards. Specific games deciding to go to 30fps for cinematic reasons, or because they wanted to tradeoff better graphics for less frames doesn't mean anything.

[jegheist2014]

if yall want 60 fps its called gts 980 its goes in pc next gen cosnoles have weak cpu and weak gpus that bottleneck period move along

[sandman224]

This guy is high. 60 frames should be standard. It looks amazing and feels great to control. I love the way it looks.

[New-Breed]

Ubisoft goes full damage control with legit reasons, such as:

- It's too hard
- It doesn't look real
- Everyone's doin it, bruh

Jesus, Ubisoft. Their explanation made me cringe.

[Tei777]

I actually agree with him to some extent. It entirely depends on the game and the feel its trying to attain. I love 60fps in smash bros, but I don't like the impression it gives in more cinematic games. Watch the Uncharted 4 reveal back to back in 30fps vs 60fps. I honestly prefer the 30fps aesthetics.

how the game feels is slightly different, but some genres and gametypes benefit for 60fps in gameplay alot more then others.

[FlyingFoxy]

This is partly the reason why i game on PC.

I've been saying even if the next consoles when they come, PS5 or whatever.. won't even do 4k efficiently.

Can you imagine a game much more graphically demanding than the best looking ones today that are usually locked @ 30fps, but at 4k and 60fps? I can't.. there are exceptions like Uncharted, when developers take their time with a console. But with 4k they will either need to substantially downgrade a games graphics or have it locked at 30fps.

Today you need high end cards for 60+fps @ 1080p.. and with the consoles because they will be behind again on the hardware front they will be running games more at 30fps rather than 60.

How they can feed people the bs of 30fps being more cinematic than 60fps or whatever excuse they use, i don't know. Sure 30fps isn't exactly unplayable, but 60 is way smoother and more enjoyable.

All console games should have an option of 30fps or 60fps, if the console can't handle the game at 60fps then it should downgrade the graphics a bit automatically. Problem solved.

[GundalfDeGrej]

No. Just no.

30 fps is OBJECTIVELY worse than 60 fps. Sure, you might not like it because you're not used to it but that's like saying you prefer to wear glasses with wrong strength because you think it looks "too sharp" otherwise.

The comparison with movies doesn't make sense either for a number of reasons. The biggest one would be that it's not the framerate that determines if a game/movie is cinematic or not. Does this guy seriously not think The Hobbit is cinematic? Are you kidding me?

[SouljAx360]

I'm glad I don't play this series. But sadly other PS4 games coming out also play only @ 30.
However! Destiny is 30FPS and that game really doesn't play so horrible. I'm thinking last gen games were really all under 30FPS. LoL Because Destiny on PS4 compared to games like RE5, any Uncharted game, Silent Hill games and even those JRPG games on PS3..it's like night and day as far as choppiness goes.

[forgetmenot]

If this is the case why is this game not being developed for the wii u ?

[Father__Merrin]

60 > 30 but not games benefit. 30 is perfect fine and plays excellent

what many don't realise last gen there wasn't that many that were locked to 30,

in many titles I'd like to see a 30 lock with improved visuals

[hkgamer]

if the game is all about great looking graphics then most wil go for 30fps. i mean screenshots and online videos wont be able to show off 60 fps or its response time anyway.

i do prefer 60fps though, it just feels smoother and better for my eyes. but its upto devs at the end of the day.

60fps hobbit movie only looked strange because we was not used to it. also not many films would bother with that because it would mean double the work.

vg games has no excuse. ubisoft needs to shut up and stop covering their ass because of that parity thing they mentioned.

[Roccetarius]

Seems like the people Ubisoft has completely lost it. At least i haven't supported them since AC2, because that's when it really started to go downhill. Brotherhood was just a step towards even more anti-consumer schemes.

Please go under, Ubisoft. That way the quality developers can land jobs elsehwere.

[Antifan]

Why don't Ubi just shut the hell up already? They're sabotaging their own game.

[GodGinrai]

I think...as this gen rolls on, you will see less and less games running at 1080P/60FPS in favour of 30FPs and better visuals.

Some of you are expecting FAR too much from these two laptop based APUs called XB1 and PS4. Two X86 based machines with little in the way of nuances. this is going to be the easiest gen as far as coding games goes because every dev knows there way around an X86. There will be no hidden surprises or magic performance gains . There will be performance improvements over time but I dont expect to see a massive difference in 5 years. I expect most skilled devs will reach both consoles limits in the next two years, then from there it will be a case of smart programming.

So in short..visuals will get better. But the majority of games will not be 60FPS. If you cant except that, then seriously...get a PC.

[D-riders]

godginrai, so in your opinion games are not going to look and run better the further into this gen we go?cause that kinda takes away from what console gaming is.

[GodGinrai]

"so in your opinion games are not going to look and run better the further into this gen we go?"

Not saying that. Im you should all "temper your expectations" as I have heard a few devs say. The games will look better for sure. But dont expect them to be running at 1080P/60FPS as well as improving in visuals. It WILL be one or the other. The order 1866: has shown this already. I expect more games to follow that route, in a bid to push for higher IQ.

That is my view of all this based on what I have seen of this gen so far and what I know of both console specs. Just look at the CPU/GPU specs in both consoles. They are both X86 and at that they sit on the lower end of X86 based performance solutions. even if they are custom, their is only so much they can do. There is no intricate hardware in them that takes devs years to exploit properly, this time round. every bit of power is there to access right now, for devs. All they can do is code smarter and make clever use of limited CPU/GPU constraints via these consoles unique memory set ups.

In short. I dont expect 1080P/60FPS games to become a common thing this gen. You will be disappointed if that is what you are expecting.

[D-riders]

what is this guy talking about. yes it maybe hard but so is game design. if you want to sell millions 60fps is a serious goal to achieve. ratchet and clank is a game that resembles a Pixar flim and looks better at 30fps. totally bad analogy he used. they can just not expect to get my money till I see them push games forward.900p 30fps is crap and the reason why is even more crap

[r3f1cul]

low fps on high action games is just vomit inducing IMO... plus after you get really used to playing at 60, 90, 120 plus fps its next to impossible to go backwards and enjoy yourself... at least it is for me... i mean thats why IMO cod sold so good at the beginning is because the 60 fps on console and the fluidity of the controls... its a very important thing to a lot of gamers, more so then resolution if you are a smart gamer, to skimp on fps is a gaming sin IMO... solid frame rate, good game mechanics, fluid controls, all more important then resolution and other tacked on details... i dont care how pretty your 25 fps game looks, if it plays like poop it wont be fun... :/

[xtheblackparade]

Very good, they shouldn't sacrifice graphics for framerate it's barely noticeable.

[mochachino]

That would be an utter shame, 30 FPS blurs so much when moving the camera. There's something really beautiful about how smooth and clear a 60 FPS game is.

And when has 60 FPS been the industry standard? PC gamers could use it if their hardware had the power and most console games last gen barely managed 30FPS most of the time.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I refuse to believe anyone here saying 30fps is better than 60fps isn't a troll. Like that statement doesn't register as anything but bullshit to me. Having gamed on consoles and PC, locked 30fps is playable, a game with frames drops is inexcusable, 60fps locked or higher should be what is aimed for.(alibet I get that the consoles aren't really all that powerful and that may be asking for too much)

[aLiEnViSiToR]

Im sorry but that is just pathetic from ubisoft and gamers that support them with this crap, stop following their lies like brainless zombies... such a shame :[

[Fullmetalevolust]

et vive la france et la revolution francaise!
J'ai hate de revivre les moments cles de la revolution francais, surtout de facon interactive et intriguante. Vive Ubisoft!

[PersonMan]

Currently playing DriveClub and it's only a 30fps title. It's smooth as silk. As long as games have really good motion blur, 30fps looks great.

[RedstonerMC]

Would there be any issues with say setting a games framerate to locked 45 fps? Smoother than 30 and less resource intensive than 60. I'm not a game designer or anything so i have no idea but for extremely gpu intensive games that my old computer couldn't run i would set the framerate to 45 fps and it was pretty nice.

[RedstonerMC]

Also i would've understood gimping EITHER the fps or the resolution on the ps4 version of this game but both is a bit ridiculous in my opinion.