Why gamers hate on the Wii

Sarcasticgamer.com writes, "During my usual internet click through for the latest and greatest information on gaming, I ran across the latest NPD numbers… GTA IV this, PS3 that, yadda, yadda, yadda. Then, I noticed the top ten Wii games sold last month. As I perused the list, one gigantic sore thumb stuck out at me: Boom Blox in only 9th place? Even worse than that, were the games that sold more units than Boom Blox, a game that I believe is one of the best, if not THE best reason to own a Wii.

Checkout the top ten and more ridiculousness..."

[PS360WII]

When has Boom Blox been considered a hardcore game that gamers want? Is it because it isn't selling well? Is it fun yes is it casual heck yes is it like Carnival Games and Wii Play in a sense yes. So why be mad that Boom Blox isn't selling? I'd be mad if Dead Space was a Wii exclusive and it didn't sell but this is Boom Blox not that big of deal really.

[Wildarmsjecht]

I left my 2 button controller scheme alone back when NES was still around. The fact that the controller is waveable doesn't do it for me.

Thats not to say there aren't some fun games on the wii. I enjoy some of the party games but that's about it. And when it comes down to it, I don't want to have to wait for 3 more people just to have fun with my console.

Edit::

I should also mention, that titles like ZnW, and NMH are the exception, but there needs to be more.

[Voiceofreason]

2 buttons control scheme? Never played a Wii have you? The Wii remote itself has more than 2 buttons and thats not even attaching the Nunchuk. People might take you kids a little more seriously if you actually acted like you knew what you were talking about.

[Wildarmsjecht]

Yes I know of the B button, the A button, and the 1 and 2. Holding the controller horizontally however, makes most use of the 1 and 2. I know what Im talking about, so try not to act too pompous would ya?

[MikeGdaGod]

the Wii is for kids and grandparents. if i get the urge to wave my arms around while playing a game i could:

A - play High Velocity (which is WAY better than Wii bowling imo)

or

B - set myself on fire and play MGS4

[flexbox360]

shame on u for saying wii has 2 buttons. u hurt my feelings. my gamecube 2.0...umm i mean wii is the best. wait until conduit comes out and ull see the real power of the wii. ps3 and 360 watch ur backs

[poopface1]

looked worse than halo 2.

[Gun_Senshi]

Games like Zack and stuff don't tells on Wii no matter how good they are

[Wildarmsjecht]

I think if they brought Zack and Wiki along with No More Heroes to the ps3/360, it'd be another story. those kinds of gamers will look at the game, see how it plays, look at previews and reviews intently, and purchase it in storm. The sales trend of REALLY good wii games that are not first party indicates a lack of interest/research on games that don't have Wii in the title or Mario/Zelda/Metroid. Shame really.

[PS360WII]

Zack and Wiki wouldn't sell well on any system. The art style alone turned off way to many gamers plus no one anywhere knew what Zack & Wiki was all about.

[Wildarmsjecht]

I disagree, but I can see your point.

However, art style alone can sway alot of people to purchase. Some people get tired of seeing the same color scheme for the same genre of gaming. To see a bright and unique (in a sense) form of art is always refreshing and can help boost sales. Not to mention, if they did advertise it like they should have, along with the scores it recieved, it would have been a much better seller than what it was. That was my point.

[ChickeyCantor]

@wildarms

You sure you wanna use the " color scheme" argument? because it seems PS2 games were dark/grey(lets say the textures didnt hold much colour XD) textured as hell, most FPS games of to day are all Darktextured...RPGS try to look alike..seriously ....same Color scheme?! if that is the reason Most games you people call -hardcore- would have failed miserable

[Wildarmsjecht]

You're missing my point completely. Most games nowaday, aren't brightly colored or for that mattered at least alittle bright. Some use different techniques to help bring out better lighting and it works. But aside from Zack and Wiki and a select few others, there's not really that much to go on. Yea, alot of PS2 games had dark textures, but at the same time games like Klonoa and Katamari were a direct opposite and welcome change. Those games were cult hits and a good change of pace that is well needed this gen.

[ChickeyCantor]

" But aside from Zack and Wiki and a select few others, there's not really that much to go on"
But this is not a reason to shun it. Gamers play GAMES not GFX.
Zack and Wiki is a good game, yet its being ignored. I know Art is important but who says art can only be found in how its rendered?

And did Zack and Wiki didnt bring change?! Gameplaywise?....

Gamers will wine about anything thats on the Nintendo its just sad.

[Wildarmsjecht]

My reply about art was originally to the PS360wii who said the color scheme turned people away from the game. I thought differently. Graphics aren't the only important thing to me, otherwise I wouldn't go back to play ps1 titles when I find the time. Im a CG artist, so art does hold alittle bit more importance, but gameplay is what keeps me going. thats why I think Zack and Wiki and no more heroes are fantastic games taht didn't get the love it deserved. Not only because of their cool new art styles (which were awesome in my eyes) but because of what they offered in terms of gameplay, and story. I never once stated that graphics were the only thing important. Games like carnival games and wii play turn me off because it feels like more of the same and the need for more than 1 person for maximum fun is needed. Hope that clears things up abit.

[TruthbeTold]

...would be completely different games had they not been on Wii, so there really is no use trying to imagine "how much better" they might have done on the PS3 or Xbox 360. The problem with NMH was that
1: Initially only internet-mongers such as ourselves knew anything about it.
2. It's such an artistically stylized game that you pretty much have to play it in order for it to appeal to you if you weren't impressed by clips or screen-shots.
3. Nintendo's staggered release policy doesn't seem to help 3rd party games at all, only hurt them really.

As for Z&W, again, only those who actually seek out good games via the internet, or through conversation with other gamers/game store employees knew about it, or knew that it was worth buying. That, and initially it was very hard to find in some places. Also, considering how few it sold, I'd have to wager that alot of the gamers who talked about how great the game is haven't actually bought it.

In my opinion, the Wii has enough absolutely great games now that anyone who has money for two consoles and considers themselves a true gamer should own one, and help make sure that we "hardcore" have a greater hand in steering the future regarding what types of games are important.

Finally I'll say this: Wii play only sells because it comes with a Wii-mote. It's garbage imo. I think that Nintendo's initial strategy of drawing in people with Wii Sports is great, but after that hit and miss is the most I can give it. Games like Boom Blox should have the option of coming with a Wii-mote in order to influence new gamers more with quality games. But if they did that, Nintendo might actually have to take a small loss, or not make a profit on one of their products for a while. Oh no! As we all see, Nintendo's choices are greatly influencing those of Sony and MS, and will also greatly influence their choices regarding the next generation of consoles. I think it's time for people to stop hating, and start influencing the future more with the power of their wallet. Wii games are only 50 bucks anyway, and many of them are first class fun. I own No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, and Boom Blox. And yet, I can plainly see that it is our fault (as a whole) that these games aren't doing better.

[Tron]

A scene of accomplishment. When I play games like Drakes or MGS, I have to work at it. I cant turn them on and be great at it right away. While in MGS i have to try areas over and over until i get it right and when i do, i feel like i have accomplished something (at least in the gaming world). I never get that with the wii.

[Kholinar]

I agree with most all you've said. I just want to add a bit and chime in.

"In my opinion, the Wii has enough absolutely great games now that anyone who has money for two consoles and considers themselves a true gamer should own one, and help make sure that we "hardcore" have a greater hand in steering the future regarding what types of games are important."

This is something I don't think people are talking about much. The hardcore have a huge voice just by reason of their dollars. But, by abandoning the Wii, they created a situation where casuals have a greater voice, instead of staying and buying things like NMH and Z&W.

"Finally I'll say this: Wii play only sells because it comes with a Wii-mote. It's garbage imo. I think that Nintendo's initial strategy of drawing in people with Wii Sports is great, but after that hit and miss is the most I can give it. Games like Boom Blox should have the option of coming with a Wii-mote in order to influence new gamers more with quality games. But if they did that, Nintendo might actually have to take a small loss, or not make a profit on one of their products for a while. Oh no! As we all see, Nintendo's choices are greatly influencing those of Sony and MS, and will also greatly influence their choices regarding the next generation of consoles. I think it's time for people to stop hating, and start influencing the future more with the power of their wallet. Wii games are only 50 bucks anyway, and many of them are first class fun. I own No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, and Boom Blox. And yet, I can plainly see that it is our fault (as a whole) that these games aren't doing better."

I don't think it was bad as a $20 game with a $30 wiimote. There are a few games in there that friends, family and I have had a blast with.

I agree that jumping back into the wii would be the best way to influence things, but I think people are scared that a Wii sale equals casual to Sony/MS and will continue to even if game sales types change. I can't completely disagree, because MS/Sony are definitely going to make a move and publishers will push for casual... just because it's been underdeveloped before. That's the problem with corporations, they don't change direction easily... which makes them hard to influence within the attention span of most consumers. We'd rather do a "don't buy gas" day than carpool or conserve.

[TruthbeTold]

"I don't think it was bad as a $20 game with a $30 wiimote. There are a few games in there that friends, family and I have had a blast with."

You're right. The game isn't completely valueless. Sorry for the overly harsh statement. I guess what I really feel is that for the most part it is low quality. And since it is in a position to do so well with being sold with a Wiimote, Nintendo is using it as Wii Sports' back up. They are setting the direction of most of their consumers this way, which is fine... But if they used a more quality game such as Boom Blox, these casual gamers would have to adjust into a little more of a "hardcore" form in order to beat it. They'd have to use their brains and skills as a gamer in such a way that would likely leave them looking to their next game as something more along the lines of Zack & Wiki rather than Wii Play, you know?

"I agree that jumping back into the wii would be the best way to influence things, but I think people are scared that a Wii sale equals casual to Sony/MS and will continue to even if game sales types change. I can't completely disagree, because MS/Sony are definitely going to make a move and publishers will push for casual... just because it's been underdeveloped before. That's the problem with corporations, they don't change direction easily... which makes them hard to influence within the attention span of most consumers."

I hear you. But the Wii is kicking butt anyway. If more of the "hardcore" bought into the Wii, and into it's "hardcore" games then in the end it won't matter if someone thinks that a Wii sale in 2008 = Casual. There would end up being a much more preferable balance once it's all said and done.

"We'd rather do a "don't buy gas" day than carpool or conserve."

Ain't that the truth... It's catching up with us though, so we're going to have to adjust.

[George Washington]

when will he ever learn? 90% of wii owners(5-10 year olds) cant afford games. thats why they only get as a gift 1,2 games a year and there always nintendo titles.

[Voiceofreason]

For someone that visits gaming sites you are pretty clueless. Wii has a the second highest attach rate and half the million sellers on Wii are 3rd party. If you really think the Wii is doing that bad you must be pissed about the PS3, because the Wii is kicking its ass in every way.

[Gun_Senshi]

Attach rate of games like Transformers and Iron Man.

[Voiceofreason]

Yeah nice of you to pull up Iron man.. I guess you didnt know that crap fest of a game sold better on PS3 and 360 then Wii? It made the top 5 in PS3, 360. Only to the top 10 on Wii. Who buys more crap games again?

[George Washington]

no thanks but i have better games than wiiplay and carnival games.

wii is for children and i dont really get why theres still nintendo fanboys like yourself. even despite that fact that you get slapped in the face by nintendo themselves by calling you a "nerd and otaku"

@ below

ya im shure halo and ff have been waterd down for a E rating eh.. you know. youll never see a R rated first party nintendo game. why? obviously because nintendo is made for children. you gotta be stupid if you havent seen it yet. just look at the gamecube disks. they made the cds smaller just so it can fit into a kids hand... theres a time to face the facts and stop playing with kids toys you know. I had NES,Snes and n64. after those they stoped caring about me so i stoped caring about them.

[ChickeyCantor]

" wii is for children and i dont really get why theres stil nintendo fanboys lke yourself. "

Same reason why you STILL love FF or Halo or whatever that game is you fap on.

[ChickeyCantor]

" they made the cds smaller just so it can fit into a kids hand"

LOL, mister troll, the disc were Smaller so Copying and piracy would be difficult. XD you are lame really.

MR.Troll, i give you the conspiracy award

" ya i'm shure halo and ff have been waterd down for a E rating eh"
Where did i say this?
you asked how there are still N-fanboys around, I said the Same reason you still love your games ;).

"theres a time to face the facts and stop playing with kids toys you know"
I will define what a KIDS TOY is, not you. If one were to enjoy something let him/her enjoy it. Since when did your name change into hitler?

OPENZONE>>>>>

[Smacktard]

George Washington: "I'm butthurt that I bought an Xbox 360, and yet bought all of the games that are on the 360 for PC. The few exclusives I do have aren't fun at all. I see those Wii-owners having fun with their consoles. Maybe it'll make me feel better about my purchase if I troll them and trash the Wii. Yeah, I'll do that!"

[George Washington]

well whatever then. you wana go ahead and play pokemon or w.e then go right ahead. i used to like that when it was popular back in gameboy pocket times.
hey, im just saying. when your picking up a game at a store and see 8 year olds picking up the same game id feel wierd. i dont see whats so great about zelda/ metroid and all that anyways. most all wii first party games use some crappy tech. no voice , all text,no online(or laggy),gamecube graphics. i dont see whats great about it. why do i want to play zelda when i have oblivion? why play metroid when i have bioshock? why play wii sports when i have gears lol. havent you noticed? its the same games but targeted to diffrent audiences. you cant say those games are better running on last gen hardware. you just havent noticed it yet.

@smacktard

LOL another wii fanboy. yea have fun playing on your reskinned gamecube. same outdated graphics and game selection , new controler. and again why does it matter 360 games are also on pc? do i have a 1000$ pc to run them? no go back to playing your waterd down mario kart which is WAAY worse than the gamecube AND ds version. you should know your a N fanboy. course you wont accept it though.

[Smacktard]

Haha, enjoy your MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE PEOPLE LIKE YOU. The irony is over-whelming, considering that most 8 year-olds seem to have more common sense and maturity than you. Metroid Prime 3 has voice acting. It actually adds to the game. But there are some games that would just not be proper with voice. Can you imagine a Mario game with voice? Ugh, I don't wanna. But if you're content with playing the same shootan games for the rest of your life, I won't stop you!

I actually didn't buy Mario Kart Wii, nor do I plan on it. Good on you for making baseless "LOL NO U" assumptions though. As for the lack of $1000 to get a good gaming PC, I offer two suggestions:

1) Get a job
2) Realize that pretty much any modern non-specifically-gaming PC nowadays can run any Xbox 360 game to look just as good as the 360 version. Hurf durf.

Oh, sorry. You probably couldn't hear all of that with your fingers in your ears. This was kinda pointless, eh?

[RealityCheck]

Nintendo is becoming synonymous with casual and kid's games. It's making them tons of money so they won't change anytime soon.

Not a casual gamer or a little kid? Get one or more of: 360\PS3\PC, problem solved. That's what I did and those Wii sales charts don't bother me.

[Kholinar]

"That's what I did and those Wii sales charts don't bother me."

I don't agree with everything that you posted but it's nice to see someone who's gaming identity is not somehow threatened by games/systems they don't like... :p

[RealityCheck]

@5.1, I don't dislike the Wii, it just doesn't have a lot of games for me at this point. I enjoyed Zelda, the RE4 remake and the Okami remake but all 3 of those were available on the Gamecube or PS2. I enjoy long single player game with an interesting story.

[Xiru]

You are correct. Get a PS3/360 and don't worry about sales numbers. Nintendo is cleaning up and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Its just very frustrating when I talk with my friends and they constantly tell me "PS3 sucks", or "Wii is owning everyone". They are right when they state that Wii is owning, but is it owning for the right reasons? Good games, new graphics, epic stories, and amazing new gameplay? And there is nothing I can say to change their viewpoint. To me, this is truly a generation where you need either a PS3/Wii or 360/Wii. I personally have all 3 because I want all the great games that come out this generation.

[RealityCheck]

@Xiru, same here, I own all 3 because of exclusives but most of my gaming time is spent on 360 and PS3 and it may remain this way until the next Zelda I guess.

[Shortstop]

It's not so much "hating" on the Wii as it is ignoring it.

[Alexander Roy]

Funny how it says that "gamers" hate on the Wii and not "people".

[N4g_null]

people don't hate on it only gamers that feel threatened. Or shall we say fan boys. Even I can see how war hawk is fun or halo for the first time FPS player but to only see pokemon or ignore all the hardcore games on the Wii is a little extreme.

I say let these guys dump on the Wii all they want it will not change a thing.

[shelbygt33]

And (you see it coming) I love the Wii!
Ok, I like playing the 360/ps3 ... which one of us doesn't? But there is always a time when I just want to be silly - and what's sillier than standing in front of you TV, waving a piece of plastic at it and getting pissed when you meant to swing earlier but instead you fell on your face trying to hit that tennis ball...

The Wii is great, for casual folks and gamers alike. Those who disagree just... I don't know, have some weird vendetta or something. There are plenty of great games to keep me occupied, just like the 360/ps3.

Anyway, I don't think you hear Nintendo's knee's shaking due to fear that they have angered the "gamer" market - do you?

[livespawn]

exactly. after i played boom blox for several days i just went back to totally forgetting my wii even existed

[Egzekutor]

Because the graphics that Wii presents are simply .. BAD.
This is not next generation gaming.. You could do the same things in PS2 Eye Toy.. Like swinging your hand to hit the ball.

[Xiru]

The Wii was sold to me on the promise of having "core" games as well as casual games for the new market they are targetting. So far I have had nothing aside from Galaxy and Smash to keep me occupied. I haven't turned my Wii on since March. So, that is one reason why I hate on the Wii. Empty promises...

[fermcr]

Gamers don't hate the Wii.

XBOX and PS3 fanbabies hate the Wii, because they are getting there asses kicked in sales by the Wii. That's why they hate the Wii.

[pwnsause]

or because its killing the industry by making carnival games or wii fit. the industry went 5 steps ahead then 20 steps back to the beginning of the board because of the wii. its like jumping from the space age back to the stone age.

[Xiru]

This is why I can't stand Wii discussions. Everyone always says i'm getting my ass kicked, or I picked the wrong system. No sir, PS3 is my favorite system this gen because it has the best games. If the Wii were winning because it was quality, then so be it. I would not have much to say.

[pwnsause]

now think about this as well, when a game like no more heroes gets a good rating (which got about and 83 on Metacritc last time i checked) and the install base of the wii at the time was at about 18 million, shouldnt the game sell at least 1 million copies since its a hardcore game? that was not the case with this game and it suffered in sales because the install base of wii is more interested in buying carnival games/wiifit/wiiplay over no more heroes. so nintendo has to cater to that audience by abandoning their core audience and put all their resorces to their casual audience, sad isnt it.

[N4g_null]

The Wii is not a step back at all. It is a continuation. If you believe this then you are on your way to becoming a PC gamer then. The Wii is the reason why people are ok with gaming now. The kiddy thing was their way of including an important sector of gaming. Yet the casual is going to bring more adults into gaming for the sake of gaming rather than playing movies.

Yes the HD games got high scores but hey they are HD what are they suppose to get? Lair was beautiful, Haze was a good FPS. Hell it's still being advertised like it was MGS4. Gaming is about what you think is fun lots of people do not like these games. I can see you guys are in to tech and the future. You do realize all of this tech is over priced also? The Wii is only a few dollar behind some of this tech by now. The main difference is the video card and ram. Hardcore gaming is dividing the ranks of hardcore gamers due to how it puts you again other types of games.

The real reason why nintendo failed with the GC was because the sega feud was not over. The problem was nintendo fans that had all the answers that could fix nintendo. Fanboys that where on nintendo side only wanted certain types of games even if they where not the majority. Yes there are lots of hardcore players yet we are not the majority and the stuff we value may not mean that much because we make decisions based on hype lots of times. Others make decisions based on what is in front of them.

You have to look at what you use to play and ask your self why you really played it. The only reason I have not gotten an HD console is because all of the games I want to play are ported to the PC. The biggest thing console games had going for them is what nintendo has complete control over games coming to the PC. The price is so cheap compared to a $700 pc that there is no contest. I understand you guys wanting gaming to be better and cheaper but $600 for a close system that under preforms a open system like PC is just silly to me and it doesn't cost what you guys keep saying.

What it comes down to is you guys are mad we are not fanboys like you. I don't own a system for the brand name and even if I had a favorite game it they would ask too much then I would not buy it any way I would play some thing else because thats what gamers do.

The whole HD thing is official a mess with RROD system and crazy high prices and inconsistent quality in games , and almost no re-playability and the reliance of crutches sequels that many no longer like.

The way I see if fads need way more hype and once they are in front of people they tend to wane. So far HD is turning out to be a fad is it not? SONY and MS better do some thing or they may loose the whole of the HD group.

[solidworm]

owning a wii while also owning a ps3/360 is akin to driving a trabant while also having a mitsubishi evo 9 on the drive. If youve only got the wii well,..........at least the insurance will be cheap.

[Kaneda]

I didn't know there are wii fanboys.. :)

[Mr.Mister]

well on N4G there is more 360 and ps3 fanboy
why people hate on the wii is manly because of the sales
cause if you dont like the game and say its crap, well some game are ugly
if you say that you dont like playing because of the remote and the fact that you dont want to wave your hand its normal( my friend say he dont want to play super smash bros because of that.... he,s a ps3 fanboy i understand)
But dont tell me that number on sale chart arent frustrating you. the fact that it kicking ass worlwide of evry non nintendo console isnt frustrating?
well i dont understand sony fanboy who say that number doesnt make the greatest console but they want MGS4 to sell and expecting ps3 sell to skyrocketing!

[N4g_null]

There arn't any we are simply gamers. How can you really be a fan of a game system? If nintendo did have fanboys I sure they would have milked them for a new disk format and made them pay for online and also charged them crazy amounts for hard drive space. I mean when the 80gig most expensive PS3 is the best one due to them gimping the others and charging you for 20 more gigs when terabytes are really cheap now becomes a smack in the face LOL. SONY and MS are milking the hell out of gaming and it's fan boys. Most of you are only fanboys because of some gaming argument also. There are reasons not to like all of these companies because none of them offer complete solutions to every gamer.

Yet at this moment HD gaming is flawed and the sales show this.

[TheFreak]

haha lol ppl are hating on the wii because of the atention the console is getting. The little white console is kicking Ps3 and xbox360`s a$$es on the sales charts and ppl cant stand it. I think its funny as hell. I know that the wii sucks in comparison to the ps3 and the xbox360 if you are only thinking hardware, but the wii is so fu**ing innovative that it is a real joy to play compared to xbox360 and ps3. If you are only into gaming for the graphics you cant call yourself a real "hardcore" gamer. Every gamer knows that the important thing in gaming is gameplay (or it used to be)....

ps: own a wii and ps3 :)

[Xiru]

You have bought into the lie. Whats innovative? Most of Nintendo's main games don't even use the motion control as the main way to control the game. Gameplay is the most important, and the Wii is lacking in this department as well as the graphics department. But you knew that right?

[TheFreak]

bought into the lie?ok maybe went a little far with: "but the wii is so fu**ing innovative that it is a real joy to play compared to xbox360 and ps3".the 360 and ps3 are also a joy to play :)but that i have bought into a lie is so wrong man. you have to be on crack or something to not see the potential of the wiis innovative controlls.have you ever played a good wii game?(and yes there are a few good games for the wii).check out wii sports (i know its a game for casual gamers but its for the hardcore too) Resident Evil 4,The Godfather Blackhand edition, Okami, Pes 08, zelda twillight princess,boom blox and so on. all of those games have become better or couldnt have been done without the controlls. So to say that the wii is not innovative is a joke and just fanboy hate. If the controlls are done rigth they are the BOMB and they are innovative. Nintendo have opened up a whole new era for gaming.

And something else i dont know where ppl are getting it from but you DONT need too flap your arms around like crazy when playing a game. silly silly just show that many of the ppl hating on the wii are fanboys that have never tried a "real" game on the wii...

phew im out.........

[Pain]

its just..err...uh..how to say it?... Kinda a step backwards?.. compared to "next gen stuff"

And being a "gamer" that i am and have been for eon's its just Lacks what i want now. (exercise in a game wtf? ill go play real tennis)

What the wii is,is what Most Real gamers or people that played games have already did and done to death years ago.

i can go on for ever but..tamato ~ tomoto ~

[name]

I don't have anything against the wii. But honest to God, had the wii not been winning, sony and microsoft wouldn't have been so damn focused on the casual market. They'd be more focused on the hardcore crowed Naturally I'd want them to focus on a crowed I'm apart of. Which they'll more than likely pay less attention to since the wii proved where the money is.

[Pornlord]

Video games are slowly giving up trying to build your ability to critically think. When most of us were kids, we had some sappy titles too (puss in boots??? anyone??? :P) but the wii is little more than a toy at this point. The bulk of it's games are for the most part more novelty, kinda like those glow in the dark condoms you see in gas station vending machines. It's more mindless repetition than teaching children how to solve complex puzzles like our early games made us do. The wii is a fun system, for a while, but it's THE casual gaming system. You wanna play a game where you don't have to think too hard, where you can relax and unwind, where you can get piss drunk and throw your controller through your TV then the Wii is your system.

[thehitman]

Maybe because when we get serious in our games we dont want to be swing our arms around and getting tired and all worked up. Maybe we wont to have high definition graphics and not something I can see on my psp. Maybe I want to be playing something other than mario and sonic. Maybe they just need more games like ssbb. Or just maybe the wii is not meant for gamers this generation.

[Xiru]

I love my PSP and PS3 and you are dead on. I want games that push the envelope and give me something new. I like the movie-esque cut scenes in MGS4. I like storytelling. I like HD graphics. Basically, I like the future.

[Smacktard]

Pro-tip: You only swing your arms around and get tired and worked up if you're playing Wii Monkey Simulator. Seriously. I've played Metroid Prime 3 and Geometry Wars: Galaxies for countless hours in a row, and never had tired wrists.

[thehitman]

Im sure you have to move your arms in all the sports games and definetly probably gets uncortable after awhile, If i come home tired it be a turn off to turn on my wii. Not to mention most of the games you need a friend to even have fun with. Every1 I know with one it just collects dust wii is just a big fad that every1 bit into.

[Kholinar]

"Im sure you have to move your arms in all the sports games and definetly probably gets uncortable after awhile"

no, not really.

[Smacktard]

I'm sure you're making assumptions, thehitman. And when you assume... well, you know. And anyways, I only needed to give two examples, because those two examples were the only ones I've played the constantly need your Wiimote pointed at the screen, and require quick reaction times and fast moving (unlike Zack and Wiki, or Mario Galaxy, for example).

[Smacktard]

Wii Play was actually a decent game, considering that most of the cost of it went towards the extra Wiimote that came with it. If people weren't full of all of this blind hatred junk, they'd realize that some of the games in it were quite fun (while some were absolute awful pieces of trash). It's about half-and-half. That tank minigame is awesome, and fun to play on single player. Air hockey and ping-pong are also great multiplayer games. It's not a bad game for its price.

[BrotherNick]

I play that can shooter game maybe once a week lol, I use my zapper though, much more like shooting.

[Pornlord]

It's not hatred for a system I sense, it's not being able to relate to the system. I think the Wii is a blast, but it's not for someone my age (28). It's Nintedo doing what nintendo does best, raise a new generation of gamers. When you are good enough at games to move up to a PS3 or 360, you will. I know people from all age groups buy Wii's, that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that Nintedo is marketing to new gamers, which most of us are not.

[tatotiburon]

why somebody actually hate a console? because he is a fanboy...i don´t hate the wii, i love mario kart, mario galaxy, zelda twp, brawl, metroid.

[CumQuats]

It's NOT competing against either one.
Saying Nintendo is kicking MS or Sony's ass is like saying Miley Cyrus is kicking Metallica's ass. It's a ridiculous comparison.
It's like comparing the Jerry Springer & the Oprah Winfey show.
Or South Park & the Ninja Turtles.
Two totally different audiences.

[Kholinar]

"Saying Nintendo is kicking MS or Sony's ass is like saying Miley Cyrus is kicking Metallica's ass. It's a ridiculous comparison. "

Well, I can see what you're trying to say, but it's not quite as far removed as some would like.

It's more like Metallica plays to their audience and has a good fanbase. Let's say (not saying this is true) Megadeth has a very similar fanbase but one that has been declining in recent years, Then Megadeth releases an album that is a huge hit with hispanics (ostensibly not a part of their original demographic). Do you think Metallica's label is not going to push them to try to get the same audience? Do you think the label wouldn't have liked to have that audience previously?

Sony/MS/Nintendo are publicly traded companies. They compete for profits, nothing else. So if you think that shareholders, execs, employees etc. aren't upset that they aren't selling as well as Nintendo in that same audience... well, you're wrong. They are very much in competition for that market.

It's not about you being a pitcher and saying that you don't care how bad your batting average is compared to the other team's players because your pitching is good. If they outhit your team then you still lose.

[N4g_null]

Your comparision are wrong. The Wii has hardcore console gaming. Console gaming has always crushed PC gaming no matter how good PC games looked.

The reason why you are right is this is the first time console copied PC gaming with pricing and tech almost completely. The only thing that is helping them is guess what PC developers and of course Publishers who can afford to make old console games with PC like graphics, because of that HD console are really an extension of PC gaming rather than console gaming. The only thing left is legacy controllers.

so the
"t's like comparing the Jerry Springer & the Oprah Winfey show." is pretty bad way to put this. So far the Wii is the only real console on the market the others are more like the philips CD-i and the 3do. It just that they used their money to make publisher get on board and of course brand assumptions helped.

[cockxxx]

becuz is selling more than there precious xbox 360 nd ps3

[PS360WII]

This is just popular perception vs reality. Popular perception is that Wii only has Wii Fit, Carnival Games, and Mario Party. Reality is it has those and Fatal Frame, Monster Hunter 3, Mad World, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Metriod, Medal of Honor, Resident Evil and many more games for gamers. Just like the DS

[phantomexe]

How can any of you call yourselfs gamers without enjoying what each consul brings to the table.Wii kicks ass and the other two are great as well.You guys need to get out and gets some pus**.

[vox]

first the haters said it would never sell, especially with crappy graphics, weak name, lack of hd/multimedia, unconventional controller

so then it outpaced their console in hardware sales

so then the haters claimed it would never sell as much software, to ensure they would remain correct in their assumptions they specifically the wii needed 3rd party games specifically to become million sellers

and so the wii had several third party million sellers

next the haters tried to argue that the attach rate for the wii is lower than the competition, and then it turned out... they were on par with a console that's already been out for a year before the wii

so then the haters agreed... sales entirely do not matter this generation(though that's not the case when they try to flame PC gaming) the biggest factor: software

and of course, in terms of sheer numbers, the wii does not match next gen consoles... even with all the shovelware it just can't make up for all the sports/ports/racing/shootersli censed multiplat games
but oddly enough, if you look at exclusive game reviews... you will notice the wii is on par with 360/ps3.. even sporting an exclusive original ip AAA unlike the 360/ps3

so the haters learn to stick to what works... complaining about online and storage, of course the graphics still get knocked as well
when it comes to games and sales though.. that's another story

[N4g_null]

The more they complain the more they look like depressed A$$ holes. This only pushes people away from you and what you like. Life is too short to be pi$$ed about gaming. Too many options to find what you want.

Hey let them keep hating the Wii because the gamers that matter are not even online and if they are they do not agree. I don't watch blu ray movies nor pay for online which is already being paid for. I just don't need those system right now. Thanks to the Wii I won't be skipping this gen.

[N4g_null]

There use to be some thing called fun factor. That's no longer high up there on the list when you read reviews because fun is not always universal. These guys hate the Wii because it's not their idea of fun. I understand them totally because I don't see yelling thru a head set while playing FPSs fun either. Simply put the Wii is fun for a lot of fun reasons. First of all I did not have to read up on it's tech even though I did to make a purchase. $250 what the hell! It's got stuff that should matter for lost of gamers like VC games and real console games and a controller set that supports lots of game types. The graphics are not that bad either and most times you will be surprise this is on a $250 system. Hype did not sell me on this system playing it did.

The only other reason to be mad at the Wii is it is not going to get GTA or MGS HD sequels and most of the games on their up coming release list. That is a good thing to me because I want new stuff and some real console games. As a Hardcore gamer I would love to see SONY or MS get some one to make a sin and punishment killer or even get square to make another einhander but they won't on an HD system too expensive and not enough of those hard core players.

To be mad at an $250 system is crazy LOL. Now $500-600 has a lot to live up too. After the arcades feel I think people forgot how to attract normal people. I don't know how you guys have put up with all the problems in HD gaming. I could understand if you truly got games where you didn't need any others. Most of your games will be traded so you can get the others. $600 could have gotten you a lot of games.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this anger is really just displaced? Abusive behavior is always directed at another target rather than the main problem. The hype and promise waiting room.

Just enjoy games man tech means nothing with out talented game designer behind it because there are plenty of artist.

[Product]

How is graphics the future i thought virtual reality was?Im sorry but after i play metroid 3 then go to my friends house to play halo im sorry its just not as fun(online is still fun)NIntendo did something that the industry is going to copy and go forward with.Next gen we will all be swinging our arms on every system and if you dont think that then you not going forward your going backward.
Just like how nintendo made the dpad that made the joystick obselite and how nintendo made the analog stick that made 3d gaming possible, motion is the next big thing and im tired of the same controls in madden only with better graphics.Without Nintendo the people here that love their metal gear solid and their bioshock and such wouldnt exist without that analog stick.We always need to go forward.Motion does that and yea ps360 fans are right nintendo needed hd but then i would have spent well over 1000 dollars by now on games.......sorry id rather spend all that money i save doing outside activites or paying my electric bill for a couple months or going to universal studies with my girl i could go on.

and what scissor runner said above is all true and a great post ....bubbles coming your way

[N4g_null]

Don't argue that graphic are not important. Gamers are going around in circles these days. What is important is affordable gaming for the masses and high end gaming for the content creators and tech guys. Innovation , and what ever else you've heard from PR people is a dumbed down way to sell to people.

The truth is gamers and people in general just want to have fun. Looking at spectators sports is fun also for various reasons and the qualities that one has set for certain things will shift be cause a few does not represent the whole.

The big point it showing people some thing they want to play with and not just promises. We could have VR right now but only a few would buy it just because it is VR. Other will wonder if it's even fun.

That's a strong word there FUN. If it wasn't for this gaming would not be here. Yet that word FUN is not as impressive and harder to tack down but that what gaming is about for lots of people.

[gumgum99]

That's exactly what im talking about; games are meant to be fun.

Iwata-san always said that games "are for everyone" It shouldn't be about carnival vs Metal gear, the point is they both are enjoying their game(I love the wii too if you hadn't noticed). Product has a good point( a point I attempted to push myself, but in a different topic unfortunately. sorry if it sounds like Im trying to hog the fire, you deserve it.) Nintendo drives this industry. It kept it alive and made it a point(even with the Wii) that no matter how powerful a console might be, if a game is fun, there are no limits. Don't believe me pop in a copy of Super Mario Bros., or Sonic the Hedgehog. Heck, even with the first Halo(which looks outdated by now, if it doesn't already), Those games are just as amazing, if not, more amazing than the first time you played them. Great statement and words of wisdom, Scissor_Runner. I would give you bubbles myself, but there's nowhere left to do so is there.

[djt23]

i hate Boom Blox

[Product]

true but i think that motion gameplay brings us one step closer to vr which means when the market is ready for it we will make it.But then......whats past vr?

[shelbygt33]

Um... total sensory immersion? Smells, touch, heat, cold... etc?

[ip-student]

Waving around a controller is fine for silly and/or simple games that do well on the Wii - but try to use for complex games and you start to have problems. Try to imagine doing something like GTA4 or MGS4 on the Wii - not going to work so well IMO.

Basically, Nintendo took console video games, which had to have a simplified interface compared to the PC version because of the lack of a mouse and keyboard, and further simplified them to something I consider child-like. The only reason to play the Wii is if you playing with a group of people. But to be honest, I would much rather play on-line if I was doing that. Now I realize that some people like that type of game, and that is fine. After all, I sometimes will play solitaire to kill time. And plainly a number of people think the Wii is fun. That is great and I am glad they find it to be a great value.

But please stop pretending that the Wii is some great advance. It is a step back with a good marketing plan. Nintendo, IMO, was the ultimate sell-out this time. They went from making the coolest games (Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Golden Eye) to just trying to make as much money as possible by rehashing the same game system (gamecube X 1.5)with a silly interface. Your mileage may vary.

[gumgum99]

It's a revolution^_^

[BrotherNick]

Next time maybe they should make their systems affordable from the get go.

[Vizion26]

I don't remember a year ago fanboys saying the Wii wasn't in competition with the 360 and PS3. After the Wii destroys them in sales do fanboys for months and months do fanboys say they are not in competition. How convenient.

There is no doubt if the Wii didn't exist the 360/PS3 hardware and software sales would be much higher. There is an overlap of interest between the Wii and 360/PS3 for many gamers. There are a lot of gamers who have a Wii and a HD console. That $250+ dollars they spent on Wii and Wii software could have been spent on 360/PS3 software. That's just one facet on how they are in competition.

They are also in competition for third party love. Games like No More Heroes and Monster Hunter was going to be on 360 and PS3 respectively, instead they are are Wii exclusives.

[Vizion26]

Typically, video games on Wii don't have big debuts buy have long legs in terms of sales. Wait another year and come back with the Boom Blox sales figures.

[Vizion26]

I must say hating on a machine is pretty darn stupid and immature. How ironic that the Wii is called a kiddie console when a lot of hardcore gamers hate on it as if they are kids. When will you guys ever grow up?

[MadMax]

Anyone that hates on the Wii is not a true gamer. I love my hardcore gaming, but also will always love Nintendo and will always play Wii along with loads of old school games as well. Why limit yourself when you can have it all!

[Tyrael]

It's just not as fun to me as everyone else seems to think.

[gumgum99]

Its the guys who make the games. Yeah, I know. There is No More Heroes, Boom Blox, and the like, but if these game designers were to step up then the Wii would be the awesome console that it says it is. It seems everyone is quick to say that the Wii is not revolutionary in its remote control,but it is. Why do gamers got to be so quick to point their finger at the Wii instead of the people who make them.

Maybe the only reason why First-party titles sell so well is because the game dev actually put some quality effort into the games instead of throwing them up in the air and waiting for money to fall from the heavens.

[th3james]

i did like the twilight princess, and re4's control scheme(cube ports), it's just that Nintendo needs to drop this "casual" market thing because mainstream consumers may purchase a product and never buy any games after they are board with it. my ds was given to me after my 19 year old sister after she finished Pokemon pearl 4 times, her ds also came with brain age. same thing happened to my friend too, sybilings or friends trading or selling nintendo products because of a lack of unique content. but hey i got a great ds lite in mint condition for free :P

i was pumped for buying a wii and convinced myself at launch that the wii brought soo much innovation through motion that graphics would be secondary. But sadly i found that Nintendo had anally raped it's core audience and opted for a family friendly anti progressive attitude that is destroying gaming. Gaming was a niche experience able to sustain it's self because of the support of the consumer because product was good. When i turn on the news i don't wanna see my local newscasters getting themselves up on a wii fit balance board and talk about the great mothers day gift that helps people stay fit. NOT REALLY! wagging you arms around like you are autistic doesn't provide substantial exercise, neither does standing on one foot for a 5 second period. BRAIN age doesn't make you smarter, it merely takes easy mundane tasks and repeats them at nausea until you are able to easily match out the pattern due to experience. 4-_ = 2 I WONDER WHAT I COULD F(_)KING BE???!?!??!??

( don't care if i was in proper form, or if i offended anybody, and i was not politically correct for making a "retard" joke either )

[Testo]

I wish Nitty focused more on refining the "innovation"

Instead, it seems tacked on.

"have you ever played a good wii game?(and yes there are a few good games for the wii).check out wii sports (i know its a game for casual gamers but its for the hardcore too"

Wii sports is not hardcore IMO.

If I can get 9 out of 10 home runs the first time I play the game it makes the game more focused on the casual then hardcore.

Hardcore to me, means that you have to put time into something to get good at it. Like I said before this is IMO.

[Testo]

When I first played Goldeneye, it was challenging the first time through. But becoming great at that game stole well over 1000 hours of my life.
Mind you, I was 17 back then and school suffered the most. But I don't regret a second of it.

That game was more like a religion to me. I was sucked in by the cult that was Goldeneye.

2.2 PG all the way.

[poopface1]

same thing with the gamecube, dont want it. After nintendo took more of a step toward mature games with n64, they went younger, then targeted people who would not want a 360 or a ps3. When I look at sales I look at ps3 and 360 cause those are the systems I like. Im more astonished by the wii sales. I didnt expect that to sell so crazy and Im glad that nintendo didnt end up like sega and get forced out of a market that they created.

Alot of little kids play video games. Videogames used to be mostly for littlekids. Sony and microsoft can talk all they want but their systems arnt for kids. Nintendo did a great job of reaching for new customers, and the next generation of hardcore gamers.

If I had a kid Id buy them a wii, not a ps3/360. Id probaly play it too. If I was rich id have a wii, but I cant afford all the games I want on 360 let alone a ps3 and mgs.