The Ugly Side of “Justice”; Total Biscuit denounced over Zoe Quinn Scandal Comments

The internet’s self professed “Game Commentator” and fellow Brit John Bain aka TotalBiscuit has been raked over the coals by a significant segment of the indie dev Community over his comments regarding the Zoe Quinn Scandal in the past 2 days.

[Rimgal]

Remember when gaming was about having fun? What was so wrong about that?

I miss those days.

When the hell death threats, wishing cancer upon someone, insults and violent outbursts have become the daily norm in this gaming community.

[Galletto3]

Its like that any where people can voice their opinion, and unfortunately those with the loudest voices often do not represent the majority.

But this is an issue that should not be shrugged off, I mean if we cant trust devs journalist to have a semblance of integrity in the industry, then the community is doomed

[Mr Pumblechook]

I love coming on to N4G and commenting on anything and everything!
I do absolutely believe gaming websites including this one should be a place to discuss impropriety in the industry because journalists need to be accountable. But this story is too murky in facts and I don't want to say anything that could be hurtful without justifiable evidence, so on this one I have to say "I'm out."

[radler]

I've got a lot of respect for TotalBiscuit working to be more reputable than 99% of the gaming media as a whole, and I think it's sad that people are so blind that they're desperately trying to shrug off the current Zoe Quinn controversy rather than stopping to think about how it's just part of a very large issue plaguing the industry as a whole, in that the vast majority of media coverage on games is in no way impartial.

I'm also very disappointed to see old indie developers crawling out of the woodwork to throw insults and nastiness at TB who has quite frankly handled the whole issue and voiced his thoughts with maturity, and been well-spoken the entire time. Meanwhile Phil Fish and that Canabalt guy hurl insults and threaten legal action? It's pathetic.

Just goes to show how screwed-up the whole industry really is. There's hardly any impartial and straight coverage any more, just friends doing favors for friends and consumers blindly lapping it up.

[Rimgal]

Yesterday N4G posted a story about this subject, and 90% of the comments were about she looks. Wtf do that kind of comments have anything to do with this story?

http://n4g.com/news/1570244...

Yeah I know that she shouldn't have done what she did, but what some people are doing now, like calling her the most vile names that anyone can think of, hacking her accounts, posting her address on the internet, giving her death threats...

Wtf happened to human decency.

C'mon guys, enough is enough, this is just sad.

[Concertoine]

Maybe im missing something, and i hate SJW and feminists, but what's the proof that she screwed her way to... wherever she is now. I mean there's supposedly an ex saying it right? But how do we know its real? I mean i've had some pretty nutty ex's... we all have.

Not trying to damage control, just curious if im missing anything.

[Th4Freak]

@Grumpy There was no such thing as a dox, hacking or death threads it was all made up by her.

http://whitetonto.tumblr.co...

http://thespectacularspider...

But yeah when I look at people like Zoe Quinn I ask myself what happened to human decency too.

@Conceroine Well, you have this girl who claimed that she slept with her boyfriend: https://twitter.com/cvankee...

And also Wolf Wozniak said that Zoe was sexually harassing him in a wedding and when he was about to tell his story our friend Phil Phish insulted him and stopped him: http://i.imgur.com/5DDiW86....

[garrettbobbyferguson]

@concertoine

There are videos/screenshots of the ex in question showing Zoe admitting everything she has done.

[Trigger_War]

@Grumpy Now denounce Phil Fish for just calling Total Biscuit "gross" and saying "ewwwww" and similar childhood taunts.

[Dee_91]

@Grumpy
4 of 45 comments = 90%? hmm
Where are these supposed "death threats" aside from her claiming that? Its well known she is a habitual liar and manipulator though...

@Concertoine There isn't actual proof that she slept with them for the sole purpose of getting her game good exposure, however its on document/screenshot one guy she slept with ( the Kotaku guy) was pushing for her game around the time they slept together. You take that plus someone that is obviously a manipulator you get this reaction.
The fact she is basically censoring the internet doesn't help either..The Kotaku guy also went on record to say that he never reviewed her game, which is true but nobody actually claimed he did.. He never apologized to the ex..

[Bimkoblerutso]

The truly sad part about all these "controversies" and white knighting and SJW's and what have you, is that it paints everything exceedingly black and white.

It cannot even be argued that sexism does not exist in the industry, and yet when so many people like Zoe and Sarkeesian abuse the victim card so often, it creates this atmosphere of frustration and apathy amongst people that would otherwise have no problem supporting their cause.

So ironically, "feminists" like Zoe are more damaging to feminism than any misogynistic 4channer could ever be.

[Jdoki]

Yeah, sad days when most of the gaming news has little to do with games.

Does anyone know any hidden coves of the internet where people actually chat about what makes the games they like great? And can have debate that doesn't devolve in to name calling?

I'm getting tired of the amount of negativity I'm seeing in the name of gaming, but is really just for generating clicks and noise.

Oh, but lets not forget... my gaming platform of choice is better than your gaming platform of choice! FACT!

:)

[SKnight13]

Polygon.com alot of the time. The mods don't tolerate trolling and insults so people usually just don't do it.

[Moe-Gunz]

Polygon is horrible. They're like the Fox News of gaming.

[RiPPn]

Games have always been social and involved debate and controversy. Whether it was about which arcade game was better in street fighter vs mortal kombat, or snes vs genesis, these debates went on back in the day just as much as they do now. The only difference is the internet has opened the conversations up to a much larger audience.

[SilentNegotiator]

You can get off the internet and cover your ears at any time, but this stuff is important. People NEED to discuss corruption in the game industry.

[Rimgal]

And someone else private life. That's important right?

People really love internet drama...

[SilentNegotiator]

Here we go, another person completely uninformed about the implications of the story.

It's not that she slept around, it's that she slept around with people who went on to praise the game and never disclosed that they had a relationship with the developer. It's called a "conflict of interest".

On top of that, she completely invented a "raid" against her from a site of people with social anxieties, knowing that people would instantly attack them as "virgins" and they wouldn't strike back.

[Rimgal]

Read through her Ex's side of the story, He said in a comment that he didn't think there was any Sex for Favors, etc. going on, and rather just garden-variety infidelity & sociopathic tendencies..

And kotaku already stated an article about this, even show the dates, that review never happened. You can read it here...

http://kotaku.com/in-recent...

But I'm the uninformed right?

But if you think that Zoe Quinn case, is the debate that needs to be made, and what she did just goes to show how corrupt everything is, then more power to you, and fight that fight, I'm sure it will change nothing. Because what I see is just a bunch of people, acting like man child, and loving the drama.

Me I'm out, because I fuc$#ng hate internet drama

[Oner]

SHE is the cause of this internet drama because SHE did unethical things which includes her private life. So SHE (and others) should be held accountable for her/their actions.

Here's some more clarifying info on her actions ~ https://i.imgur.com/v5wriLI...

[ZombieGamerMan]

@ Grumpy the rabbit hole goes deeper than that, she's used false claims of harassment because of her gender just to promote her own game. That's the really problem of this women along with the fact the way she lives life is opposite of what she publicly stands for. She wants to be seen as this righteous woman standing against social injustice but the truth is all that is just smoke & mirrors as she actually does the exact same she fights against to further her own agendas.

This woman's treachery needs to be out there so people know who the real Zoe is and discredit her.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@Grumpy

Come on, no one here really gives two sh*ts about who's f*ing who... In fact, no one cares about Zoe Quinn, her game or her personal life. The reason people are interested in this here (on gaming discussion sites like N4G) is because it furthers the case on corruption of gaming journalism and because some indies and journalists are acting like a mob to censor and/or ridicule the discussion itself.

Unfortunatelly this came to light with an angry revenge-seeking ex-boyfriend and a cheating manipulative ex-girfriend bad break, so it indeed peeked a lot of attraction for the wrong reasons and is getting constantly derailed into that talk, but I don't see it being the main course for most. Sure we'll see everywhere (even here) some people freely insulting her for what she did much beyond what anyone deserves... But what would you expect? It's the freaking internet, the place all scumbags on the planet tend to flock towards, thanks to anonymity! Doesn't mean we can't discuss it or that everyone is like that.

And honestly... I'm already starting to double guess who's really derailing it. I mean, some people just want to insult. Other just want to say it's personal and stuff to protect her... But what really annoy me is that it further shields the supposed corruption case from being investigated as it ends up getting ostracized and ridiculed as pure gossip anyway.

And I'll say that: Karma is a bitch. Even is the whole discussion on corruption is fruitless as you say, it at least serves for many as an eye-opener on how much BS is going on with gaming media and industry regardless of corruption. I mean, these devs and journalists involved are well know for making (into) controversial and touchy headlines that aren't really gaming material... They feast on the undue curiosity of people instead of trying to enhance and get noticed by the quality of their work. Well, look at where undue curiosity got 'em now.

[Godmars290]

This is more about the monetization of social media. People making a living off of you plays. Manipulating community reviews thereby effecting sales and company stocks.

Also all of the "artsy" BS. The need to insert complex story into FPS and general "Feels".

[Sy_Wolf]

You're actively choosing to look in to the BS in the industry and not just have fun playing games. Don't like it, don't come here.

[CryofSilence]

Totally on totalbiscuit's side. Many indie devs have become self-entitled babies (see Phil Fish's juvenile dribble for reference).

[comradestalin]

I find the fact that people in the industry who have spoken on it don't see the issue at hand, and see it as an issue of sexuality EXTREMELY problematic. Forget about the sex. Whether or not sex was used as currency isn't the issue. It's that people with influence had an inappropriate relationship with Quinn (sexual or friendly) that give the impression of cronyism or favoritism, rather than recusing themselves like they should have.

"I have a previous personal relationship with this person and I probably shouldn't chair the award they're up for."

"I have a previous/current personal relationship with this person and may not be objective in this post on this large well-known website."

Also, much is being raised about how Zoe is being targeted and asking why we're not going after the men. Why aren't THEY going after the men? THEY'RE the ones in the industry! The actions of these man make THEM look bad! It gives the impression they are unable to keep their own house clean, so to speak, and may need outside help of some sort of nationalized association or federal regulation.

And NOBODY wants that.

[Jdoki]

This is hardly unusual for the industry, and many entertainment industries.

How many reviews are biased by marketing money.

How many reviewers / journalists act like they are more interested in being pals with the superstar devs than actually reporting real news

How many developers have switched their publisher based on money exchanging hands.

How many press events are put on by publishers, and attending journalists given loot (remember MS giving away a 360 to every journalist who attended E3 2010 iirc)

How many times have we heard about actresses in the film industry and 'casting couches'

IF this story is true, it boils down to the same thing - someone trying to get a favourable response by giving something away, and is no different to some of the things I mention above.. What's grotesque is the reaction, because it may involve sex and a woman - and no one stopped to question why they were starting this hate campaign, and whether the original source was genuine.

EDIT: I'm not saying any of the above is right, simply that the reaction of the internet to this particular case of crony-ism has been disproportionate

[maine9001]

The reaction can only be considered disproportionate if you only consider this event in a vacuum. In the past 1-2 years there have been multiple cases of corruption that gamers discovered but the press censored, and people get more and more angry about it the more this crap happens.

Also, it's not like people are reacting this furiously because she is a woman who used sex for personal gain, people are furious because she is a woman who used sex for personal gain WHILE boasting about her supposed purity, ruining lives, craping all over the supposed thing she says defend, sending her minions without brain to insult and mock anyone who says something bad about a woman, even when they deserve it.

Of course people are going to vomit vitriol the moment they see a chance, they have been treated like trash constantly by these morons.

[Jdoki]

No matter how horrible she may be, and guilty of exploiting the system. No one deserves to have their personal details posted online, or naked pictures (no matter how stupid it is to take them in the first place) and be harassed like this.

Also, if this wasn't about sex and her being a woman - then why are we seeing so little vitriol aimed at the people she supposedly influenced?

The act of sex doesn't automatically make someone write good things in a review or force them to give her any benefits - the journalists and industry people had to choose to react that way.

There's no winners in this, but as TB said - people need to calm down.

How many broken heart stories do people post on the internet... How many of them have lead to this level of abuse? I'd suggest very few, and a lot of why this one has flared up is due to it being linked with the video games industry.

[Trigger_War]

@Jdoki
"Also, if this wasn't about sex and her being a woman - then why are we seeing so little vitriol aimed at the people she supposedly influenced?"

1. For people mad about cheating: some of those guys weren't cheating and those guys that were only cheated with one person.

2. You should hate on the boss and reporter more then too. I know I hate on them plenty. Just also admit that Zoe deserves blame.

3. Zoe Quinn is a shitty person. She promoted her games with lies and destroyed the Fine Young Capitalists feminist game for charity. She is a sociopathic attention hungry narcissist while pretending to be a moral authority like so many SJWs.

[lizard81288]

Depression Quest
9.7/10 - IGN

[donwel]

"It gives the impression they are unable to keep their own house clean, so to speak, and may need outside help of some sort of nationalized association or federal regulation."

I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday, this whole thing has gotten much larger than I think any of us thought it would, so I think at this point some kind of national watchdog/regulator is looking increasingly inevitable.

[lejun]

Cool story bruh

[mo241]

haha indie developers lol
That's why they only make kiddie games.
There only a handfull of real talented indie's and those will get there time to shine. The rest of them will just be a couple of kids and curse at each other.

[DarkSymbiote]

At least this site is reporting something on the matter compared to the loads who are sitting idly by or worse defending Fish or Quinn.

[Jdoki]

I find it interesting that so many issues on the internet, that are deemed 'hostile', get reacted to in an equally hostile way.

One side cannot see that what they are doing is just as bad as the original action.

Should Zoe's dirty laundry be aired in public... No. There's no public interest angle here.

Is the reaction of the internet to these claims against Zoe right.. No

Is the reaction of the people reacting to the claims against Zoe right... No.

There's no winners in an internet shit storm.

Now, can we get back to talking about and playing games

[rdgneoz3]

"Is the reaction of the internet to these claims against Zoe right.. No"

So people shouldn't be pissed that a "dev" was sleeping with media? Definitely not a conflict of interest...

Sleeping with the boss brings into question as to whether she was the best person for the job, or the one that just bent over for it.

As for her dirty laundry airing, read the ex's stuff. Basically others have been shot down for lack of proof, so he went into as little detail as possible so she couldn't lie her way through it.
http://thezoepost.wordpress...

[Jdoki]

I'm not saying we shouldn't debate the ethics of any industry. Gaming, movies, music or otherwise. And at times people should be called out for wrongdoing if there is indisputable proof.

But are you really suggesting the level of reaction she has received is proportionate to the alleged action?

And that all this stemmed from ex-boyfriend with an axe to grind.

It's not right for anyone, male or female to sleep their way to the top - but this happens in a lot of industries and the reaction is never this extreme.

Why the ex decided to lays this all out is baffling to me. We've all been in shitty situations, but airing it all in public just feels like he is looking for revenge rather than any act of public interest.

[bass4g]

But shouldn't the hatred and anger be directed more at the journalists who were unprofessional than at her? That's usually where these things go in other industries. I believe that if what allegedly happened really happened then there needs to be some form of internal or external investigation. This IS important to the public and if true violates standard press ethics. However the way that people are reacting; calling her various offensive names (slut, whore, b*tch, etc.), insulting her appearance, sharing naked photos, coming up with conspiracy theories, ranting about SJWs and just generally being really sh*tty about the whole thing, is not good. Equally people on her side are just blindly defending her and not allowing for any questioning of any kind, while she sits at the center stirring the pot because she believes she's helping to make things better for female devs. It's one of those situations in internet sh*tstorms where both sides have no idea that what they're doing is actually making the situation worse.

[BABY-JEDI]

So if you call out a hypocrite as being a hypocrite then your being un-just? Wow, way to go.

[Jdoki]

That's not even close to what I said.

There's a world of difference between calling someone out, and what is going on here - and if you think what any party is doing is 'just' then you're just as bad.

There's nothing just about one side doxing someone, harassing friends who have nothing to do with the issue, and posting naked pictures, just because someone pasted a broken heart story that made a bunch of claims that someone got benefits from sleeping around in the games industry.

And there's nothing just about the other side inflaming the issue with DMCA notices, waging a campaign against those who criticise, or trying to claim the high ground when they appear to be full of BS.

It's also un-just that the third party in this (the industry people and journo's who apparently succumbed to her advances), have not been taken to task over their behaviour either.

As I said before, there's no winners here. But trying to reduce this situation to someone simply being 'called out' is ridiculous.

Ok, I'm out of bubbles. Great debate people... Some of the comments on this thread really restore your faith in humanity!

GG

[Ogygian]

This is NOT about Quinn. She's merely the spark that lit the fuse.

This is about the appalling standards which have infected games journalism in recent years, unbecoming of a multi-billion dollar industry.

Almost every site you regularly read has it. For example they all reported "harassment" as fact rather than allegation without hard evidence, and no matter how well-meaning your intentions, the sole goal and purpose of media is truth. Not white lies to "be kind" as the editor of The Escapist claims. GR, The Escapist, Kotaku, CVG, Edge...

[ChickeyCantor]

You do realize a lot of people were shut down. Entire threads on reddit deleted.

[pinkyxyz]

Once people get it in their heads that game "journalist" are not really journalist at all, people will start to understand that their was never any ethics to break in the first place. Stop trusting the Adam sesslers of the world and watch indie YouTube game reviews if you must. But gamers need to let this go, because 'gaming journalism" never had any integrity in the first place.

[Blues Cowboy]

Yup, right on. We're talking about ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALISM here, folks, not war reporting or politics. Games journos are the equivalent of people asking Z-list celebs what their favourite kind of small dog is, or thrusting microphones at actors on red carpets in the hope that they'll get a few words.

It's entertainment journalism. It's fluff. It's free marketing for PR firms. In every industry out there it's the same, and yet us gamers don't seem to get it. We're not talking a political cover-up or genocide here. We're talking a bunch of poorly-paid people trying to make a paltry living off writing about a cool hobby.

So yeah, "corruption"? What a stupid and overblown thing to say.

[rextraordinaire]

Right on!

[Ogygian]

Yes, but devs take this spew seriously and change their design decisions in fear of media backlash.

We need sources we can trust, with journalists who care about truth more than boosting their egos and preaching their morality.

[Baccra17]

Mayne for your lifetime that is true but it wasn't like this back in the day. Back then there was integrity and real reporting, and people knew how to preview a game without spoiling and telling you everything about it.

So yeah, don't lump your degenerate generation with mine.

[pinkyxyz]

For verification purposes, when did your generation start? I've been gaming for over 25 years, so I am talking about the success of the NES till the present day. Any press before that generation was part of the reason the industry collapsed.

[plut0nash]

I wouldn't have taken Totalbiscuit for a sexist in anyway. Got no respect for Zoe Quinn now, at least gave her the benefit of the doubt before.

[nozomi]

Now we won't get Fez 2...what's the point in even being a gamer now??????

[iamnsuperman]

A fish wins the award for.......most off topic comment on the matter.

Now I haven't been up to date with what is going on (since no-one is reporting on it) but from the sounds of it this incident is dodgy and some credibility has been lost here. I not sure how indie developers can turn on Totalbiscuit here. Something has fundamentally gone wrong and indies need to distance themselves away from it

[MuhammadJA]

Spread the word!

http://youtu.be/C5-51PfwI3M

[EdoubleD]

I wish we can wipe the slate clean with these inbred hipsters, but it's too late now.

[Trigger_War]

I think the real anger here comes from the fact that these SJW types are hungrily destroying the careers of anyone theu disagree with for any little thing that they would consider to be an indiscretion.

They are not the moral authority. It is wrong that people let these zealots destroy people's lives and careers and it is wrong that the gaming media supports this behavior.

These are bad people who use social engineering and their public profile to silence opposition. They are fascists. Their politics are their self expression and they let it consume them.

Zoe Quinn is at least as guilty as 85% if the people she has denounced. She deserves to have her career destroyed by this scandal.

[lizard81288]

On a side note, haven't people learned (I guess not) not to mess with reviewers like TB or Jim Sterling like this?

Stuff like this:
http://gamesnosh.com/wp-con...

This will get your game(s) panned quickly and the community will hate you. Plus your future work will more than likely be canned by others. This is bad because less cover = less people knowing about it. If you piss people off, they will recommend to NOT support the devs. This a reason I haven't bought Fez. Fish can suck a dick.

[1nsomniac]

How the hell is this TotalBiscuit guy in the wrong!!

The guy sounds like the only honest guy in all this crap or have I missed something?

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

No, he is correct. This only propagates the fact that there is something wrong within the gaming industry press. Clearly there's a bit too much hand holding between devs and said reviewers.

[Moe-Gunz]

Ok this needs to be discussed. Total Biscuit makes a reasonable statement and out comes the sharks. This entire thing showcases the issue with the journalism in this industry. To no one's surprise no major outlet is discussing this.

[Deeke]

Did you guys know she gets $2,000 a month just for existing? http://www.patreon.com/zoe

She doesn't even have to work to make money. People are giving her money because they see her as a victim, which she's actually profiting from. When someone like her does something wrong its time to backpedal and put on the "hurt woman" routine to rouse up pity (and apparently profit).

The same men she's called "white knights" via intricate mockery as a feminist are now giving her money out of pity.

This person causes a shitstorm on a bi-monthly basis, and instigates a mob mentality that perpetuates the very toxicity she claims to be against.

This whole thing is highly ironic, and in my opinion, we are both serving her a dose of her own medicine as well as justifying her cause.

Depressed people tend to need a reason to fight, I suppose, but she is responsible for widening a rift amongst gamers in the name of feminism, all at the same time branding many of her co-workers (who are predominantly male, surprise surprise) as "good guys".

I think the whole thing is obscene and reveals a double-standard that arises when foolish young women become idolized for a cause they barely understand, and in turn perpetuate the same hate they claim to fight.

[Deeke]

Also journalism today is a big boy's club. There are things that are deemed "right" (especially with the hypocrisy of rabble rousers like Jim Sterling, a sort of hero of mine, who's denounced his fight-for-gamers-rights nature and down-with-the-establishment sentiments in favor of what seems to be mindless white knighting.

And then there's the Reddit censorship by mods. Game Nosh's own web host shut them down in order to pull this very article https://twitter.com/GamesNo...

What's going on here?

How is this acceptable for games journalism?

No one wants to agree with the gamers because they don't want to take the flak. They don't want to investigate; they just want to say "shame on you for getting angry at someone who's a woman".

Women can do damage too. Very much damage; Quinn is proof of that apparently.

[Moe-Gunz]

It's pretty ridiculous. This to me is the most important topic in gaming at the moment. Gaming journalism and integrity. However, major publications aren't talking about it most likely because they are the ones lacking integrity.

[Korix]

I wonder when this one will be taken down for mentioning the subject.

[LightDiego]

People like Phil Fish, Anita, Zoe Quinn and shitty sites like Kotaku and Gamespot should just go away from games, i'm really tired of these douches and hipsters trying to ruin games in any form, making stupid complains on games like Dragon's Crown, Akiba's Trip, and any game that has a male as protagonist. Really don't want to see these idiots taking over.

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

This whole Zoe Quinn thing is a mess. Especially if any of the allegations about what has come out lately is true and stuff.

[BlackWolf12]

Unfortunately hipsters are the new journalists.

I don't understand why we are paying attention to anything a psychopath like Fill Phish says. Seriously, in all the gaming industry people I have seen over the years, he is clearly the most unstable.

These indie devs are all the same, they are all crazy. They have ZERO consideration for the general public, the gaming community, or the 'fans' of their games. They need to take a few lessons in public relations.

[MarkusMcNugen]

I'll never support either Quinn or Phish. All they do is cause drama and f&$* sh@$ up for everybody. They should be ashamed of themselves, and that's exactly whats happening right now in the gaming media. They are being shamed for their actions, and yes, shaming does work to a degree.

They real question is what are the gaming industries, i.e. indie devs, media, etc...) going to do to ensure stupid things like this don't happen again.

[whybag]

What's that, Phil Fish hates TotalBiscuit? That's just proof positive that TB is awesome. Go home Phil, and turn off your internet, you're never not drunk.

And lol at filing a "real DMCA" for critical reviews. Many people, including TB before, have pointed out how pointless it is, and the Streisand Effect hurts your bottom line far more than a negative review.

[HonestDragon]

Not to take a word intentionally from the title, but this got ugly quick. I like TB. I think he is more often than not on point with most subjects and his previews/reviews are very informative, but this whole situation shows how volatile Twitter has become.

I'm surprised that so many indie developers jumped down his throat despite the fact that TB didn't have an opinion on the situation whatsoever. He never criticized or voiced anything critical toward Zoe Quinn, yet Phil Fish is here (yet again) to cause more drama.

[Blacklash93]

First the Phil Fish's fiasco, now we got Zoe Quinn sleeping around for the sake of critical reception interests? Cheating on her boyfriend and proving herself to be a total hypocrite? Things are getting pretty heated lately.

This story is pretty disgusting. Shame on her and all the reviewers who took the sexual bribes. Complete lack of integrity going on here.

[WitWolfy]

If this is how majority the indie devs feel about free promotion then dont expect me to buy your shitty games again anytime soon!

[solderman]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[nippletwister]

That's sad, TB is actually one of the very few people who are acting maturely, objectively, and rationally in all of this scandal. No appeal to emotion crap, no dramatizing, no "attacking me is like attacking all men collectively because i declare myself a representative of my gender durrr" victim complex crap that Zoe is pulling in all egoism while trying to validate her bull with how many backpats she is getting from the social justice crowd and sympathizers, rather than her own individual logic and rationality (that she lacks it seems).
The whole thing is pathetic.
I am not even a fan of TB, but i will support his stance fully because he is simply freaking right.