No 1080p on Xbox One Due To Memory Bandwidth/ESRAM/RAM, No Definite To DX12 Resolution Benefit

"Resolution-gate has been one of the hottest topic of discussion of new generation consoles war, many developers have openly admitted that due to ESRAM, they were unable to lock their games in native 1080p resolution on Xbox One as compared to the Playstation 4, where almost all games run at 1080p. Recently, Stardock's CEO Brad Wardell spoke about why developers are unable to hit 1080p on Xbox One, benefits of DirectX 12 and a lot of more things."

[Geobros]

Bad news for xbox one owners....

[Software_Lover]

Not really because if you are a gamer who wants the higher resolution then you probably don't own an XBone to begin with.

I always say a good game is a good game. Titan Fall plays at a much higher resolution on the PC, but people still say it sucks.

[snookiegamer]

DISCLAIMER!

NextLevel is NOT indicative of every PS4 owner.

Please Believe That ;)

[NextLevel]

When listing the native resolutions of Xbox One exclusives is trolling, you know the Xbox One has some resolution issues. Feel free to correct me if you'd like I'll say it again. Forza 5 which was downgraded and Kinect Sports Rivals are the only Xbox One exclusives at 1080p. The rest are cross gen games that are available on the 360. All PS4 exclusives are displayed in 1080p, even The Order 1886.
http://tay.kotaku.com/why-t...

Instead joining the Xbox fan created bandwagon of insultin me and not replying to my comment, prove me wrong.

http://ca.ign.com/wikis/xbo...

Hey, feel free to keep the dream alive!!

[jebabcock]

Despite that... He does make a valid point... Can a game be made to run at 1080p 60fps on the x1. Sure it can, but will there be significant sacrifices in other places? So far the answer seems to have always been yes. That being said some of my favorite games this gen are coming from the Wii U...

Are Games on the X1 struggling to hit the mark? Yes they are... It does get old to see these poor retorts.. What is even older is to see people continue to post these Flame bait articles that just frenzy up fanboys, because their misguided passion bleeds over into every other articles so that when I go and read an article that is purely talking about one console or the other, I start seeing this Garbage come up.

Its not tricky and its not a secret... its not even really a debate.. The ps4 has more powerful hardware.. We all know its true... But powerful hardware on its own doesn't make a winner... We all know that as well. This bickering over resolution and framerate only matters to a small fraction of people who will buy games..

[Fluchtpunkt]

well im sorry snookiegamer, but ppl like next level are the reason fanboy-wars will never stop and click bait articles will rise and rise...

[marlinfan10]

Its not trolling to talk about it. It turns into trolling when you post the same crap over and over in every article. You know what kind of reaction youre gonna get and thats exactly why you do it. You can try and play the victim once people start calling you a troll, but you know damn well what youre doing.

[ZodTheRipper]

Still he's more reasonable than many Xbox fans here...

[TheRealHeisenberg]

@Zod

Of course a Playstation fanboy would say that NextLevel is more reasonable than many Xbox fans here. I need some of what you are smoking.

[doolin_dalton]

NextLevel is part of a pretty large group of trolls around here.

Notice how he uses spin and misdirection to try to make his points. It's a FACT that there are many 1080p games on Xbox One, but he dismisses many of them by using the term "cross-gen". That way, he can bury his head in the sand and pretend those games don't exist.

It's as if a game doesn't count because of what OTHER consoles it's also on. Sorry, but 1080p is 1080p - you can't invent your own terminology to make some games disappear. Also, when it comes to Forza 5, which is 1080p AND 60FPS, he always makes sure he includes the word "downgraded" because it must pain him to have to admit that the Xbox One has had a AAA exclusive run at 1080p and 60FPS since day one.

Not to mention, Forza 5 holds an 80 rating on Metacritic, so his use of the word "downgrade" is nothing more than his way of attacking a game and a company he clearly hates when the FACTS become an inconvenience for him.

You may say that he doesn't represent all PS4 owners around here, but it's quite disturbing that so many people agree with his lies. He's completely incapable of sticking to the facts - it's in his DNA to troll Xbox relentlessly.

[DrJones]

He uses the word "downgraded" when an xbox game hits 1080p 60fps. You could say that about any game with 1080p 60fps, as compromises on other fields comes along with heightened res and fps. This apply to any game on any platform. It's an angled statement that shows his bias, fanboyism and lack of objectivity.

[Prime157]

@drjones, "You may say that he doesn't represent all PS4 owners around here, but it's quite disturbing that so many people agree with his lies. He's completely incapable of sticking to the facts - it's in his DNA to troll Xbox relentlessly."

The way I view nextlevel is that he mirrors the tactics that truefan, alexkoep, georgenoob, mpog, and a few other xbots... until nextlevel most ps fanboys were just annoying writhe dismissive sayings while most xbots have been pure liars and spinners with no respect for the topic at hand, and ESPECIALLY no respect for other's opinions.

Also, with as much "well said" comments as truefan, georgenoob, alex, nextlevel and the like are getting I'm starting to worry for any ability to discuss. So much misinformation and bending the points... and articles like this...

It's scaring away the people who used to bring ACTUAL VALID points to the comments section... VALID points and respect for opposite opinions...

[shorty74a]

I believe NextLevel is a female first off. And is the only Sony fanboy/girl on this website to get as many agrees to disagrees. Most other Sony Fanboys always get 2 to 1 more agrees on Xbox One articles. Maria (I mean) Next Level post articles that shed the Xbox One in a negative way, and then comments on those articles with the same links she uses on all the articles. I do not read the news she post anymore. This is the exact type of news she would post about the Xbone. This time someone beat her to the punch.

[pompous]

Too bad it's not bad news for Xbox One owners. A bit of disappointing news maybe, but as long as the games come and they are enjoyable then who cares if they aren't 1080p as they will still be HD. Look as last gen for example, we had sub-hd, unstable frame rate on ps3/xbox360 and guess what? We all enjoyed the games didn't we.. I don't own an Xbox One yet, but once more games that I'm interested in start popping up I will be all over it and will enjoy them just as much as I enjoy my PS4 games while all offering different experiences.

[Jumper09]

Why even buy a new Xbone if it cant reach the newest standard aka 1080p?

[n4rc]

Ps4 isn't hitting 1080 in all games.. And the x1 has 1080 games...

Soooo..... ?

[marlinfan10]

@jumper

Sorry are you playing resolutions? Did sub 1080p take away from bf4 or watch dogs on ps4? No, it doesnt change anything. The games look great on both consoles. If they really wanted to they could use more resources to hit 1080p but they choose not too because in the end, resolution really isnt that important.

[MysticStrummer]

@Jumper - Except it has hit 1080p, so your comment and the headline make no sense.

I'm a confirmed PS guy who will most likely never own an XB, because of MS not the consoles, and even I can acknowledge the flame bait in that headline.

[MRMagoo123]

@marlin

Actually watch dogs is sh!t and so is BF4 so maybe thats why.

[lifeisgamesok]

1080peeeee is not the greatest thing in the world

900p looks just as good to the naked eye

[pyramidshead]

Is that what you tell yourself?

[MrUnfamiler]

Not on my 60' tv it doesn't. you might not see a difference on a 21' or something like that, but on larger displays its a big difference.

[ramiuk1]

maybe on a 40" screen sat at 10ft away.
but not for people with bigger screens.
i play on 106" 1080p and about 15/16ft away with ps4 games they look great and even 900p bf4 looks good but the difference is easily noticable

[fattyuk]

gotta agree with the above I own a 60inch tv and again .... you can tell the diffrence.

this conversation makes me laugh....

.... as if the boot had been on the other foot and ps4 wasn't capable of 1080p/60 and Xbox one was I have a feeling all the Xbox media would be banging on about it - actual tv adverts, sticking the knife in at e3/ fanboys all over the Internet going berserk,

but where as the boot is on the other foot the attitude all of a sudden is "it's all about the gameplay, graphics don't matter" - if this really was the truth Xbox would be going out all indie! and smashing all the new IPs out to the public because ya know "graphics don't matter it's all about the game"

[D3ATH_DRIV3R_777]

If it helps you sleep at night.

[MRMagoo123]

I have a 40 inch tv and I sit about a meter away from the screen , I notice every little change there is.

[Malphite]

Download a wallpaper or a screenshot that is availiable in both 1080p and 900p and view both of them on your TV alternately.

If you can't see a difference you're either sitting too far away from the TV / your TV is too small for your viewing distance or you don't have a 1080p TV.

Of course the difference isn't huge but it definately is visible to "the naked eye".

[IcarusOne]

I've got a 55" screen. Ryse might not be 1080p, but it still looks beautiful in a way that I don't care about it's resolution. As long as the games are fun, who gives a shit? This is the lamest controversy in the history of gaming.

[AD705]

Anyone here find it annoying how the xbox fanboys will one day say resolutions and framerates don't matter. But the next day they're hyping the shit out of cloud processing, directx12, kinect removal, or some other secret sauce nonsense that they think will magically bolster the xbox ones power to rival or even surpass the ps4?

[Immorals]

In all fairness, I see Sony fanboys bring dx12, cloud and secret sauce FAR more than the one or two idiots that follow Mr x or whatever his name is

[Prime157]

@immorals

It's probably because all of those tend to fall under the same blanket as secret sauce...

Optimization, yes, but the amount of faith is unrealistic and typically derived from PR, which is why many falsely accused ps fanboys hate Microsoft. Not that they hate Xbox, just the parent company Microsoft

[lelo]

These articles are quite stupid... made by stupid fanboys "gaming journalists".

Author lost all credibility with this...
"What exactly is the reason behind developers being unable to hit 1080p/60 FPS on Xbox One whereas on PS4 it's a cakewalk"

There are a lot of games on the X1 that are 1080p and there are a lot games on the PS4 that aren't 1080p. Author lied two times in one sentence... shame on him.

[imt558]

Quote :

There are a lot of games on the X1 that are 1080p and there are a lot games on the PS4 that aren't 1080p

List me a 10 games with sub1080p on PS4

[Borma]

@ imt558 I don't think there's even 5, let alone 10, that have not hit 1080p.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

[BitbyDeath]

'there are a lot games on the PS4 that aren't 1080p'

2 games does not equal a lot.

[lelo]

I see in that list at least 5 games that aren't 1080p in the PS4 and I see 10+ PS4 games that are only 30fps... that's quite a lot of PS4 games that aren't 1080p/60fps.
The author did say it's a cakewalk to achieve 1080p/60fps on the PS4... need I say more?

Honestly I would prefer if the developers went with 900p/60fps or 800p/60fps on their PS4 games instead of 1080p/30fps. The ideal would be 1080p/60fps, but since it can't be achieved with all games, I wouldn't mind a lower resolution and have 60fps.

[BitbyDeath]

@lelo, only two of those are final.
The others are unfinished games and yet to be released.

Battlefield 4 (out now)
Battlefield: Hardline (not out yet)
EA Sports UFC (out now)
Watch Dogs (out now)

EDIT: Make that 3, didn't realise UFC was out.

[Sarcasm]

When are people going to learn that it's the HARDWARE of the Xbox One that simply is the defining factor of why it underperforms compared to the PS4. It's getting out of control.

[silvacrest]

i thought everyone knew this..seriously

what other reason could it be? its not like devs want to release inferior games

[PR0X1]

Killzone on PS4 was not 1080p at least the online part was smoke and mirrors.

[BitbyDeath]

It was 1920x1080 if that isn't 1080p then what is it?

[fermcr]

@BitbyDeath

Killzone's multiplayer was ~960x1080. That's not 1080p.

[BitbyDeath]

@fermcr, it runs native 1920x1080 not 960x1080.
It processes multiple images of 960x1080 to make the 1920x1080p image hence your confusion.

Here's the link which explains it all in detail.

https://www.killzone.com/en...

[Gr1mmyshadows]

you do know it is still possible to have fun with a game even if it isnt 1080p.....shocking i know

[Spotie]

Fun factor is not being debated. Convenient straw man.

[silvacrest]

true but thats not the point, why even upgrade from a 360 to a xbone if all you care about is fun?

for your $400 to $500 shouldn't you have superior or at the very least equal performance to your competitor?

[gedapeleda]

Last gen everyone defended 720p saying that's enough

[Flutterby]

You got your answer in your own comment , last gen started over 7 years ago people expect more now considering the massive gap between gens.

[gedapeleda]

@Flutterby well yeah but you know just within a year everything changed upside down.
Content was the most important part and even sub 720p and 30fps was good enough.

[Magicite]

Those are a regular news for them.

[BallsEye]

There is plenty of 1080p xbox one games. Article is just stupid. The very title is already giving false information.

[AO1JMM]

I'm a PS4 owner and I'm at a loss on exactly how this is bad for X1 owners. The games all look great and are extremely fun to play.

[fr0sty]

Dev re-confirms Xbone limitations.

Xbone fans rush to justify by throwing together lists of games (mostly cross gen, remake, or downgraded) that run at 1080p. The rest of them assume the "so I guess it's all about graphics and not gameplay" arguments, ignoring that in many cases the same gameplay is on other consoles... with better graphics.

Ps4 fans rush to correct their mistakes, over and over again. post war reaches critical mass, story rockets to the top...

All because a dev said something devs have been saying for months.

[ALLWRONG]

LOL people bored with nothing to play, so they play the internet.

[TAURUS-555]

not 1080p...i feel bad for the xbox1 owners

[kamakaz3md]

they really thought after telling everyone they would unlock more power that it would work out... well, atleast you can soon buy kinect 2.0 for 200 bucks, LMAO bahahaha, thats 600 bucks... can you say rip up and no love for their fans!

[Zombro]

Xbox 1 exclusives 0 p on ps4 and vice versa so get what you want.

[DoubleM70]

Uhmmm no did you read NDA's ARE IN PLACE. They really can't talk about it yet. I bet you think ICE team is going to be a big benefit to the PS4 though.

[marcofdeath]

how is Forza Horizon 2: cross gen?

[kenshiro100]

For the people saying resolution doesn't matter...then what is the point of next gen consoles if they don't play like next gen consoles?

I'm always ecstatic about how a game looks and plays. They go hand in hand.

I would serious expect a console that's supposedly more expensive to completely blow me away with visuals. If this is the best the XB1 can do, then I am not impressed at all.

[mediate-this]

Not bad news at all, play the game not the res. such a troll thing to say. Unlike you i buy all three consoles and a gaming p.c.

Xb1 will have great games.

[corvusmd]

Living in the past

[Flutterby]

The only thing living in the past is the xbone res on games.

[The_HarryEtTubMan]

I havent played below 1080p since 2008 or something. Yes, Xbone is an outdated thing of the past.

[Eonjay]

I think they should avoid 1080p if it causes things like screen tearing.

Edit:

"I believe it's to do with memory bandwidth and not utilizing the ESram efficiently."

Okay we get it. Remember when Mark Cerny said he it would take years to fully unlock the potential of the PS4... well the same can be said of the ESRam.

[Kayant]

The funny thing about this is that it's the complete opposite to his earlier claims.

Before -

"Suddenly, that Xbox One game that struggled at 720p will be able to reach fantastic performance at 1080p. For developers, this is a game changer."

Now -

"there are no 'definite' it'll depend on the developer."

Funny how things change from - "XBox One is the biggest beneficiary; it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one. "

That backtracking.

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

[Eonjay]

Well that guy was a complete crackpot. There was just no reason to say those things when you have a clear (or just basic) understanding of how hardware works. The only way you would see that kind of improvement is if Microsoft had botched DX11 on Xbox One so badly that it cut the performance of the hardware in half...

[IrishSt0ner]

It was BS and yes he's been backtracking ever since, 2x GPU... lol that's crazy talk.

ESRAM is a cheap alternative for high bandwidth, GDDR craps all over ESRAM/DDR for gaming. Sure, they'll get better at using ESRAM, but that's an irrelevancy.

I'm a X1 owner but there's no denying superior gaming hardware, DDR is much better for the dual OS, but who buys a console for OS capability.

[Flutterby]

Bet you a billion $s that when this gen is about half way through and all these claims about secret sauce have gone the xbone fans will say that none of it even happened or no one believed it anyway and didn't get their hopes up, that seems to be the way they do it. Look at the cloud claims , every time MS says something about it the xbone fans go wild then MS says it isn't that big a deal and the fans all say they didn't hype it anyway.

[DoubleM70]

It's the complete opposite now because Microsoft, AMD and Pentium slapped a muzzle on him. NDA's are in place until DX12 drops next year.