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Using Sony's Playbook, Microsoft Will Attempt Xbox One's Turnaround

Today, Microsoft unleashed a torrent of news about Xbox One, tacitly revealing that it's learned plenty of lessons over the past six months. Its new console is experiencing success in the market, with over five million consoles shipped so far.

gary_m4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

Typical garbage coming from the fanboys at IGN.

The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2 million units in its very first year on the market while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The Xbox One is getting absolutely destroyed by the PS4 in worldwide sales. The PS4 is already over 8 million while the Xbox One is around 3.8 to 3.9 million.

Sony's first price cut was thanks to the bleeding edge and incredibly expensive Blu-Ray diodes dropping in price to manufacture.

Microsoft's first price cut...just wait for NPD on Thursday. It will be obvious why this desperation dumping of Kinect and slashing of the Xbox One's price is happening just six months after launch.

DLConspiracy4049d ago

Just wanted to add that some of your numbers seem a bit off.

Xbox 360 2006 Total Units was 5 Million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

PS3 2007 Total units was 3.61

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

While PS3 may have sold more in sales they did not sell more units. So it was just shy of 2 million in profit in comparison.

Also from what has been reported in many editorials. The Xbox One is about 4.3 million units or more past that sold. If you trust VGcharts it's sitting about 4.5 million units sold and PS4 is about 7.5 million units sold as of May 3rd.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Just trying to be factual so we can all debate and spread proper information.

With all that said. I enjoy both consoles and this time around I don't have to worry about exclusives on either console. I realize that people are passionate about this stuff, but in the end if one of your friends had the other console you would sit down and play with them.

NewMonday4049d ago

@DLConspiracy

Sorry you can't be factual using VGChartz numbers

As for MS, they don't have a full year head start this time to build a lead, the best they can hop for even after cutting the price to $300 is a 1:1 ratio in NA and UK, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world are simply unwinnable.

And even the console sales will not bring much profit, because the XB1 will be the "second system" to only play occasional exclusives, gamers will naturally by 3rd party games on the superior system, that also means PSN will be the main service and few will pay for a second subscription in XBL

DLConspiracy4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

@NewMonday

I did say "If you trust VGcharts". I would say that's a lot more reputable than ZERO links and assumptions. The only link from VGchartz is current sales.

Consoles make money on the front end, but successful is breaking even in the hardware. I have said it numerous times but these consoles are now digital money boxes. That means the money they make on the back end outweighs the front in cost.

As it stands, I still prefer XBL over PSN. Chat quality is better for me there, but you have to own both to really know what I mean. No, it's not the mic I used. NO, it's not the headphones I have. Yes, I have tried everything I could but there is no work around.

Either way. it's a different experience for both. My PS4 is a nice single player box though.

truefan14049d ago

Are we just going to ignore direct ways sony has copied MSFT:
-internal hard drives
-psn modeled after xbl
-Indies self publishing from xbox arcade
-Apps on consoles
-PC like architecture
-trophies directly copied from achievements
-party chat
-Controller triggers

MSFT has brought a lot to the gaming industry, whether you like them or not.

sonarus4049d ago

i love how quick it is to dismiss vg chartz now when their data doesn't align with ones opinion.

I will be getting an xbox one at some point this summer more than likely. The ability to integrate seamlessly with cable is something that appeals to me somewhat especially now that some of the stuff behind the pay wall is coming out to play for free. However i will likely still do 90% of gaming on PS4 primarily due to personal preference

gary_m4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

LOL at linking to fake vgchartz numbers...

PS3 first year sales: 10.5 million
Xbox 360 first year sales: 8.5 million

The irony of someone trying use fake vgchartz numbers for the Xbox 360 is hilarious.

The hardcore Xbox fan who started the fake sales site did so for trying to use Microsoft's 'ship' numbers to retailers in an attempt to pretend they had 'sold' 10 million Xbox 360s in its first year on neogaf.

The neogaf admins perma-banned him for it and he ran off to create his fake sales site vgchartz so that no one could stop him.

choujij4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

@DLC Excuse me CF, those xbox figures are shipped, not sold.

@TF1 The PS2 (which launched before Xbox) included a HD bay to internally install a harddrive.

The triggers were directly ripped off from the Dreamcast controller, like many of the controllers buttons.

ramiuk14049d ago

thats SOLD TO RETAIL
sont has sold that many because stocks are still limited 7 months after release.
i would expect xbone to be below 4million,infact sales must be really bad for MS to do all the things they have done period!!

BlackTar1874049d ago

Truefan,

Dude
You realize most of your list has nothing to do with MS and almost all to do with the evolution of home consoles right?

It's like saying everyone copied Dreamcast or whoever had internet in the consoles first. It's not true no one copied they are industry standards thus they are natural evolution in the medium and not able to be tied to one company. 1st doesn't always make you founder.

gary_m4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

"trophies directly copied from achievements"

LOL!

http://www.darkspyro.net/ye...

Microsoft ripped off Sony's Spyro the Dragon's Sill Point system and just renamed it

"You've earned a Skill Point"

"You've unlocked a achievement"

DLConspiracy4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

@gary_m

Sorry then. I wasn't aware of a several year long debate about something that happened on Neogaf sometime ago once on a forum... I guess I should look for these numbers on Neogaf the one true place for information? I assure you I wasn't posting to belittle you and thought I responded quite politely to you.

OK, So where did your get your original figures? To back up your numbers? I can't find those figures anywhere.

"The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2 million units in its very first year on the market while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The Xbox One is getting absolutely destroyed by the PS4 in worldwide sales. The PS4 is already over 8 million while the Xbox One is around 3.8 to 3.9 million."

Then there is this.

"Microsoft's first price cut...just wait for NPD on Thursday. It will be obvious why this desperation dumping of Kinect and slashing of the Xbox One's price is happening just six months after launch."

NPD (US numbers only?)

I see that you won't be able to respond back now, but perhaps someone else can fill me in on good ol' gary_m magical numbers. Links generally help at the start of the conversation so that we can choose to berate you or not based on your links you search online for.

BlackTar1874048d ago

Hi DL,

I'm not going to pretend like the #'s i'm abotu to provide are fact. I have no idea and hosnetly don't care enough to validate my post(I know what a lazy POS i am) but according to wiki

PS3
Quarter 3 (ending Dec 31, 2006) to Quarter 3 (ending Dec 31, 2007) PS3 sold : 10.53 Million

360
Quarter 2 (ending December 31, 2005) to Quarter 2 (ending Dec 31, 2006) 360Sold:7.6 Million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

My Source. Again if these are wrong sorry again i did not fact check these with anything i typed in PS3 first year sales and xbox 360 first year sales and cliked the first link on both which was the same wiki

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user95970824049d ago

You're what's wrong with the online gaming community

Manic20144049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

I think your predictions are way off, to be honest,

XiSasukeUchiha4048d ago

@Truefan

Honestly just give it up, Sony has the better rep so any, and any arguments will be useless.

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barb_wire4049d ago

If you want fanboy logic you should check out GAF.. some truely delusional people over there.

There are a number of threads open over there and after the announcement, the fanboys were making comments that the XB1 will retake the lead next month in NA and all of Europe by July.. and then they start yakking on about just wait until the cloud is turned on and DX12 comes out..

It's kinda sad that there are people like this nowadays.. what MS did yesterday was good but they still have a long way to go. baby steps.

mochachino4049d ago

Xbox has been 500 with Kinect and Titanfall and barely matched PS4. Everyone has to buy a game so it was really $440 with Kinect. The price drop is about $40 bucks in reality but I think many rather just pay the $40 to have the Kinect included. I don't even like Kinect and I'd pay $40 for it just for OS usage.

SteamPowered4049d ago

Well I may as well use my kinect as a doorstop. The support for it went from half-ass to full stop.

Death4049d ago

Sadly I have to agree with you on that. Support has been very slow with a 100% attach rate. Now that Kinect will no longer come with the hardware support is all but gone. They might as well offer a trade in program where you send your Kinect in and they send you a couple free PS4 games.

RiPPn4048d ago

Yeah it's pretty much a $100 harmony remote now with a camera and mic. Oh well, I won't be early adopting a Microsoft product again anytime soon, that's for sure.

Mugen904049d ago

I just know both systems have their strengths, weaknesses, and games they're known for. I made the mistake of getting a 360 because I like more adventure games, with the 360 it had much more action/FPS games compared to the PS3.

This time around I'm def getting a PS4 because I know down the line it will have more game styles I like compared to the Xbox One

MysticStrummer4049d ago

What they can't change is that XB1 was designed around a mandatory peripheral which they're now removing, and they sacrificed power in the name of that design. They won't be freeing up much in the way of system resources by dropping Kinect because they'll be selling it as an add on, and also that would really rub the early adopters the wrong way. Imagine the backlash...

I bet any dev who is in the middle of working on a Kinect game is in shock.

jmc88884049d ago

They shouldn't. Microsoft's unreal position about Kinect should not of been trusted. It was obvious to any 5 year old Forrest Gump with his head bashed in with a baseball bat what was going to happen.

Many people even thought it would be gone by E3, and it will be.

Remember folks, even with the mandatory inclusion, what games have come out for it? Barely anything.

Anyone that wants one, because a developer actually finds a cool use for it, can buy one. If not, then there is no reason to have one.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Kinectless version still have a microphone. If it doesn't, Microsoft screwed up, because a $2 microphone can do 90 percent of what Kinect is usually asked to do in UI/games... Voice commands.

I know Microsoft said it was integral, but we all knew that was pure propaganda. Spin words don't change reality, and while Microsoft is a big corporation, they can't escape reality either.

I don't think this is the end for it, I think now it will have to live with it's ACTUAL utility. There is some, it's just niche. Microsoft wanted desperately for it to become a big way to play for everyone, but instead it's just a niche product. The fact they didn't realize this by 2013 is absolutely shocking. Like that Japanese WWII soldier who was marooned on the Philippines still thinking the war was on...in 1974!

It's like the TBTF banks. We bail them out with trillions of dollars to prop up their fraudulent and worthless derivatives but if we pulled away support we'd find that everything from 2008 is there and actually much worse, and all the big banks are insolvent (or broke and should be out of business). This is basically what Microsoft is doing, creating a fake environment for Kinect.

But we can separate the good from the bad with Glass-Steagall. So then you don't have the crap dragging down what's real, nor confiscate it through bail-in.

Same thing here. Instead of creating a completely fake situation, like pretending that if people have Kinect they'll use it. No, not really. Microsoft could claim that XX millions of people have Kinect, therefore you have all these people able to play your Kinect games.... in reality that number is bogus.

Most people don't want to play Kinect games, thus all those numbers the devs are supposed to rely on are FAKE FAKE FAKE. So the whole install base thing is complete bs.

If I was a dev, I would want TRUE numbers. I want to know how many people want to game with Kinect, not overall numbers. Because while they may have sold ~4 million Xbox One's....and have 4 million Kinect2's in the wild....how many of those are Kinect game players?

1 million? 500,000? 150,000?

What if you take away the casual people who were just trying it out?

N4g_null4048d ago

It's funny you bring up tbtf banks and no one mentioned sonys 1.4 billion lost. 74 million was on the games division. People are jumping ship. The system is collecting dust. If the kinect 2 cases the xbone a problem then it wouldn't be any different for the ps4 camera also.

If you think ms can't catch up to a sinking ship then you are wrong.

I know the ps fans wish that was nintendo that lost that much.... Yet that was sony. It's going to be hard to bribe 3rd party with no cash. Square is no longer under sony. They are not done cutting ethier.

Right now their banking section earn 65 percent of their profits not the ps gaming division. The days of the Walkman are gone fanboys. Sony is face first floating in the water. All the bad pr against ms and Nintendo won't get you anywhere.

jmc88884049d ago

What are the numbers the actual game dev's can use to determine whether or not to make a product?

Dev's should realize this, it isn't rocket science. Kinect2 sold separately will give Kinect devs a much better picture of big their audience really is. Because if you pay for it, you know it is far more likely to be used.

Kinect Sports Rivals isn't even in the Amazon top 100! In fact if you highlight JUST FOR XBOX ONE STUFF...it is the #30 highest selling Xbox One thing. 29 other Xbox One things are selling more, including lots of peripherals and pre-orders.

To be fair I think SNAP was the reason they went with DDR3, which meant they needed ESRAM (even if they could only fit 1/2-1/4th of the ESRAM they needed into the Xbox One).

But yeah, still the COGS might have led to a different direction if they didn't have the cost of Kinect in there.

But the devs should have known what they were walking into. Motion gaming has been dead for years. Wii/PS3/360 all showed this. That's what is crazy. Microsoft had years of data showcasing the public's waning interest motion gaming across all platforms, and they decide to force it on the customer. Every dev that didn't see the writing on the wall was dumber then a box of doorknobs. Just because Microsoft tells you to believe in Unicorns, doesn't make it a legitimate excuse for you to believe in Unicorns.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain13d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198112d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK12d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts11d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK11d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT15d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits14d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel114d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic14d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN14d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel113d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica14d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14914d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga14d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania15d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7714d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7714d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts14d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7714d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb14d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow14d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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1Victor14d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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FTC drops case against Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard deal

The FTC has officially dropped its case against Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

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slate9122d ago

The sweet smell of tax dollars burning

Killa7821d ago

From the unemployment this deal caused, no doubt.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

"The sweet smell of tax dollars burning"

They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start. And yet, still, they´d decided to go ahead and double down on their bs to bleed the taxpayer even more.

dveio21d ago

The IRS demands 29bn USD in not paid taxes from Microsoft.

If we're talking bleeding.

1Victor21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

@slate: “ The sweet smell of tax dollars burning “

The smell of political donations endorsements under the table.
There I fixed it it for you
We all knew Microsoft plan of “10 years of all systems publishing “ and some of its supporters happy that after all the games would be “exclusive to Xbox “ now that things have changed and Microsoft got humbled by the lost of money from CoD going down from OVER A BILLI🤑N to
MILLI😩NS the sales failing of games that would released on PlayStation and be forced by INVESTORS asking for their M🤑NEY to grow faster than the next 10 years it is obvious that it would be a waste of money to continue this litigation.
Edit:@obscured: “ They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start “

Same as your grievance stages.
Have you passed the bargaining stage yet ? Or are you still on the anger stage 🤣

slate9121d ago

I knew my singe bipartisan sentence would bring out the crazies. Thanks for the wall

Astrokis21d ago

Not sure if I’m disturbed or entertained but either way I hope you are alright

OtterX22d ago

I think they're convinced now that MS won't (and can't) withhold releases from conpeting platforms. MS on the street corner now like, "Who wants a taste?!"

PhillyDonJawn21d ago

I wont be too sure of that. Gotta wait and see till after these deals expire

OtterX21d ago

That's how it always starts, "I'll just work this street corner for a short while until I get caught up on my bills..."

Tacoboto21d ago

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna make Xbox exclusives again, with the hardware they're totally committed to selling and making available lol

raWfodog21d ago

As far as I'm aware, the only 'deal' that was discussed was for Call of Duty. Xbox had no obligation to make any of their other games multiplatform. They did that of their own accord.

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**btw, I'm talking about street food vendors, just in case there's any confusion!

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Lightning7721d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I've seen videos and talk a online speculating MS long game. Some think that MS multiplat move is use to appease the FTC so they can buy more and is somehow a move that could get Sony to open up their platform. In other words them going third party and letting their games go everywhere. MS possible scheme and ulterior motives, speculated by Jeff Grubb is that putting Xbox store on PS via regulation Which would hurt PS buissness very badly because that 30% cut would be even less or not a cut at all. MS buys more because they're "playing nice" by opening up its platform to Epic store and steam which would force Apple and Sony to open up their ecosystem to other stores like MS.

If that's the case that'll mean as I said before, PS fans buying Cod on PS via MS store would give 100% maybe even 90% of the money being pocketed by MS while Sony's store front wanes when it comes to third party because guess what? MS is buying more third party and preying off the extreme ignorance of the FTC. Manipulation of the FTC and MS overtaking the PS store and customers

My thing is this. I know it's a opinion and speculation but why does Sony have to open up its store or force them to go multiplat? If they still believe in selling their freakin console then let them do it. If they want to provide the best games and the best content for its fans then let them do it!? Why because the competition is trash at selling games and consoles for 14 years now Sony has to change? MS using the ignorance of the FTC to overtake gaming as we know it?

Again it's just talk and opinion but man this seems very, very possible imo.

dveio21d ago

Well, at the time, I actually did think the FTC and CMA did a poor job in court. But also the judge.

Having said that - it is what it is.

If 75bn mergers in any industry ain't a threshold to deny them, then I don't know what is.

As far as your thoughts about other 3rd parties getting taken over in the future go:

I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher.

But smaller studios ... maybe.

However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft.

That isn't to say an announcement of such couldn't drop on Monday already. Because we today know that Microsoft had approached a plethora of other studios in 2018 to 2021, such as IOI, CD Project, etc.

We'll see. And we can't do anything about it. It's up to trade commissions and then probably courts to decide.

Lightning7721d ago (Edited 21d ago )

"I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher."

That's the thing MS is ticking all the boxes by not have anything be exclusive so the CMA/FTC see that they're doing "fair practice" in games and content distribution. Which technically greenlits more aquisions or it makes it easier for acquisitions because MS is a mega publisher now.

"However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft."

Hopefully not but them going multiplat could entice Studios to join MS because nothing is not longer exclusive which means more money for them, studio and teams.

We can't do nothing about it but Sony can. They can block xbox games on their console (lose that 30% cut) but Sony won't do that because that's money that will be lost and Sony runs a buissness. That's the only way to hurt or slow down Xbox.

I'm probably over thinking it as I do these things but it's something we shouldn't just ignore and be weary of MS motives here. I'm keeping an eye on them.

Rancegamerx21d ago

The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up. Microsoft’s multiplatform approach is 100% due to past failures and its laughable position in the gaming industry. Their best attempt was a fluke and a lie, brought on by Sony’s missteps and a poorly made machine that broke down too often.

Sony would never allow themselves to be "forced" to do anything; they control their platform and storefront perfectly fine without the need or desire to add an unnecessary Microsoft storefront. Even if, by some flaw on Sony’s part, Microsoft were able to introduce its store on PlayStation, Sony would adapt rather than collapse. Digital storefront competition already exists (Steam, Epic Games Store, Xbox Store), and PlayStation’s business won’t suddenly "wane."

Also, regulators like the FTC don’t operate on ignorance—they actively assess market behavior to prevent monopolies. Microsoft isn’t secretly overtaking gaming with some ultimate scheme. The industry might be changing or shifting (for the worse, in my opinion), but Sony will continue evolving based on market trends, not because of alleged schemes.

Gaming isn’t about one company "playing nice" or another being "forced" to change—it’s about making money with games, something Microsoft has yet to achieve in 25+ years.

Lightning7721d ago

"The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up."

That's why I said it was all speculation that's what Jeff Grubb opinion. I made that clear several times. You know what's funny? When Jim was in court ppl got mad at the FTC for protecting Jim Ryan instead of the consumer. Maybe he was right to worry about his business. Now look Releasing Xbox games on PS keeps MS studio an a float. Now Xbox games are all over PS now. Maybe Jim was onto something.

MS is still competing with Sony just in a very different way. The FTC back down mainly means they can buy more and MS next steps can proceed. We'll have to see what happens in the future but I wouldn't be so sure on your stance.

InUrFoxHole21d ago

@Lightning77
MS putting games everywhere is the most consumer friendly thing I've seen a game company do.

dveio21d ago

@InUrFox

What does "putting everywhere" actually mean?

This book has so many pages.

• Xbox was dying in revenue
• Regulators put a 10 year deal on CoD
• Microsoft had to give away the streaming
• Spencer himself only offered 3 yrs initially

And most importantly

• Again, Xbox was dying in revenue

Xbox have the benefit of their actual financial situation giving regulators and courts the impression they release games everywhere, what they actually do.

But for reasons they can't be proven guilty of anything in court.

I'm not judging, it's just what it is.

IF the Series generation would have developed differently and was much more successful, I don't hesitate any second to believe in what Spencer had originally planned to do:

• Make everything Xbox exclusive
• We today know that Spencer had also approached Sega, From Software, CD Project, Nintendo, and even Valve was on their list of buyouts.

MS are playing a card here everyone knows why they are doing it.

Putting Doom "everywhere", which even was it already before it got bought, ain't a MS thing.

It would had hurt them in many ways if they'd put it exclusively to Xbox.

But, no matter what - it is what it is.

Xbox bought themselves back into the game. And I think many people just don't have very fond feelings towards this behaviour, wether on corporate nor private levels.

Let's see how they'll run with it.

In 2030, but most importantly after regulations will have expired we will learn better.

Reaper22_21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Seemed like a lost cause anyway. Microsoft gambled and it paid off big time. That's what you call a big boss move. Sony played a huge part in the success of that acquisition.

wesnytsfs21d ago

Bout time. Pointless from the start.

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