The PS Vita promised so much but has yet to deliver, what went wrong? is it actually that bad? and if so whose fault is it?
The Vita itself is a great device! It also has a lot of games. The problem is more or less the development cost for big AAA titles. It is not a N handheld with limited graphics. It is more lucrative for game studios to either develop low graphic games (which does say nothing about their game quality) or big console titles.
The question should be.....When will the PS Vita start being good to some? I feel the Vita is awesome. Great device, games, features and by far the best portable gaming device every made. I feel it sucks for some because they may not like the available games.
A better question: When will the Vita be marketed properly? 3DS was doomed to sell nothing and then all of a sudden - games, games games and it's a roaring success. Vita's getting more games which is awesome! Sony should keep that momentum by encouraging exclusive release after exclusive release.
"by far the best portable gaming device every made" I beg to differ, the best portable gaming device every made is the one with the best games or at least some big system sellers and sorry but the Vita is far, far away from that. It has great games thats for sure but not the best games, not even close.
in the market it cant beat the 3DS, but is getting stable numbers now, even selling better than the PS4 in Japan. it is no longer going to end up a disaster like the WiiU but it will carve out a sustainable market share. and a note.. Tales of Hearts is coming to the Vita..FINALLY!
What comes to mind is why do people expect a handheld console to perform, act like and feature like a home console? It caters to a completely different audience and for the niche it serves the product is excellent. Success of a product shouldn't just be based on sales, but on whether it can accommodate the market it is intended to serve, and from what I see it pretty much does. If people expect this product to be mass market then it is being mistaken for a tablet, which it is not. There are some great games, great hardware and complementing features which make it quite the device. I wouldn't expect it to run games on the scale of main console titles, because it's not meant to. Remember when Peace Walker was released and everyone complained that such a game should not release on handhelds only, since it's a game which should be played on a home console? That's exactly my point.
I agree. The software selection does seem to be rather Japanese-centric. That's perfectly fine for me as I prefer those types of games, but it couldn't hurt to have some more games that appeal to the broader western audience. I know there are already quite a few, but it needs a steady stream of them, with lots of variety. The Vita is what I'd consider a device for the hardcore gamer. Great graphics, lots of stuff that can be going on, etc. It does really need more games that can show off it's capabilities though. I think it'll come into it's own. Sales for it have been up, especially since the PS4's release. I believe it's at 8 million sold right now, which is a hard install base to ignore.
@ the title question When Sony gives the Vita physical L2, R2, L3, and R3 buttons. I've had a Vita since they had the app to hide unwanted trophies, but my main reason for buying was Remote Play. Too bad touch sucks for confidently accurate input. I played MGS where you need L2 and R2 a lot for switching weapons and items. It sucks with touch. Instead of a simple confident physical input that you know will do exactly what you want, with the touchpad sometimes you miss completely or you hit the L3 R3 zone instead. Some game where you use L3 to run and maybe R3 to crouch, or whatever. You try doing that and end up aiming, shooting, or throwing a grenade instead.. or nothing at all if you missed touching the right spot. Besides relatively simple games built for touch, touch sucks for gaming. Specifically and sort of skilled or 'core' gaming that requires fast and accurate input. My Vita has sat in its box for what? A year+ now? Since soon after I bought it. Release a Vita RP (Remote Play) version with physical L2, R2, L3, and R3 buttons and I'd rebuy it and actually use it to play MGS and whatever PS3/PS4 games are compatible.
^-- I'm not saying the Vita RP should only do remote play btw. It should still play Vita games, just the physical buttons would make remote play work the way it should. New Vita games could then put them to use for better, more accurate gameplay / input. Older releases could be patched to use the new physical buttons and play much better.
Disagree, defend the status quo, and settle for an inferior product design all you want, but you're just keeping yourselves down in the end.
I love my vita but the N handheld is actually delivering what gamers want "Games". The reason why the vita is failing is because it's trying to be a portable with a console like mentality which obviously isn't working for sony since the N handheld is destorying the vita in sales. Maybe sony should take what the N handheld is doing into account because obviously it's doing something right.
Well, Sony can't copy an over 15 year lead in that sector. That is a BIG factor in why Nintendo keeps that dominance. People KNOW what to expect from a Nintendo handheld. So, they barely even need to advertise it to sell. Sony, on the other hand, is still trying to find its footing. They haven't quite figured out how to market their system. Sony needs to stop trying to sell the features and really sell the system. Make it something that people want. Then, they need a new and improved campaign that really let's people know the value of the Vita and it's games. They ARE there...but people don't know it. Oh, and a price drop wouldn't hurt. I also love my Vita and play it regularly. But, I understand how difficult it is to compete with Nintendo.
Tell me what a "handheld experience" is like because all of the Vita's games have given me this. Sounds like you just don't want games to get bigger and better on handhelds. You're gonna complain that Killzone Mercenary isn't a "handheld experience". Why? Because it's a shooter? It's got levels, you can leave the game anytime you want and come back to it right where you left off, etc. One of my favorite handheld games isn't a typical handheld experience with tiny levels that can be beaten within minutes, and it's Zelda ALBW. People always describe handheld experiences as something that gives you instant gratification or something that doesn't spend too much time with the details, it's just straight to the point and fun. Well, Zelda ALBW was a deep game that would have been just fine on a console. What you probably mean is the Vita has too many AAA styled games with extensive voice acting, good graphics, big worlds, etc. But I don't know why you're complaining about it. Sure, complain about it from a financial perspective because AAA development costs too much and the Vita could've used games without as much voice acting, less emphasis on graphics, etc. but how does that make them "bad" games? What the 3DS did right was deliver Monster Hunter and a few other games which made the thing sell very well in Japan. Devs started to flock to the 3DS when it started having a bigger installbase. Almost all of the 3DS's best games are made by Japanese devs, and it all started with a couple of games that moved the system for Japan, MH3DS being one of the biggest ones. Many of the 3DS's games can even be made for the Vita since they're made by 3rd parties with no significant ties to Nintendo. Now, the Vita is starting to do better in Japan and if the 3DS's success by way of Japanese adoption is any indication, I have a feeling the Vita's going to be seeing more and more devs working on it. But there's still going to be a significant lack of 1st party titles from Sony on the Vita, but I don't mind since I'd prefer if they had everyone working on PS4 games. Just look at how many games there have been on the Wii U in the past year+. These companies can't continue to support more than one system with a ton of games like they used to.
When will the vita start being good? When Sony introduces Vita emulation on their consoles. There are a lot of people like me who couldn't care less about about the system but would still love to play games like Persona 4 Golden.
Play tv hasn't any plans to come west. I would kill to play certain vita games on my tv instead.
It's called Vita TV, not Play TV. Vita TV allows you to play vita games on your TV and also allows you to play your PS4 on another TV in another room, with just one PS4. It's an awesome idea. Play TV is a service Sony brought out about 8 years ago for people to watch, pause, rewind and record live TV through the PS3. I use it daily and have since the start - paid £20 for the box and not a penny since!
Vita is already good. I used to think the same, and then I bought one and was like " OMG this thing is awesome" It could definitely use a few more games that appeal to a wider audience but it's a solid system for sure. * Sold my 360 for a Wii U, but now that it's baseball season I wanted to play some baseball. * I can on my Vita via MLB The Show 13. ^ I can't play this game on anything else and it's awesome. ( Don't own a PS4 yet). * Vita gives me certain games to play that I can't play on my 3DS, and my 3DS has games I can't experience on the Vita. EVERY system is good, but it depends on the person. * Are the 3-4 games you want enough to justify the purchase ? Do you need 10 + games, or maybe only 1 special game to make you love that system ?
'When will the ps vita start being good" your late to the party because its already good. The only real problem is it doesn't have enough western AAA games, but if your into AAA japanese games then its phenomenal, i personally love Japanese games so i love my vita but to get more popular in America it needs moar dood-bro.
idk y u got disagrees thats really one of the main problems
memory cards are also an issue.
Agree with the Vita is a greta device !.. It's a sexy piece of kit. I love playing the games i have for it on the way to work. I love using it as a second controller on my PS4. I love using remote play and playing PS4 games in bed or on the move. The Skype app works well on it and i can call up my friends while im out.
I wouldn't say it's not good, but I don't enjoy the games as much as I do on my 3DS. That being said, if you own a PS4, then the appeal for the Vita goes up immensely. I love lying in bed playing Infamous because with a wife and kid, I don't get much gaming time. The PS+ Instant game collection is nice, but without that I probably wouldn't own any games for my Vita. While the PS4 has definitely increased people's views on the handheld, I doubt that Sony really wanted people to see as a PS4 controller FIRST and a gaming device SECOND. Just my opinion.
On that I agree. That falls a lot under Sony's poor marketing of the Vita. But there is some hope since a number of Japanese games are ACTUALLY getting localized for the thing, which is a major plus. Ido agree though, as of right now the 3DS' library is a lot more appealing.
Oh I see. Cheating on your family with your Vita now. Sneaky sneaky. ;)
It already is. . .
Your right. Its lasted longer then psgo so its a resounding success for Sony.
The amount something has sold has absolutely no bearing on how good it is. Fight Club was a commercial and critical failure when it was first released but people are in love with it these days.
I just got a vita last week on clearance at Bestbuy. It is a really nice handheld and having some games right off the bat from PS+ is really nice. However, remote play works a lot better with my PS3 than the PS4... something to do with my router and the PS4 inability to talk to one another. Also taking the triggers and converting them to the touch panels on the back takes a STEEP learning curve. Being able to play PS1 games and Miami Hotline on the go is pretty fun, but this totally a niche product.
Trust me when I say this, going from a control stick to an analogue nub also has a learning curve to it, at least for me and my 3DS. :P
the analog sticks I find to be too small IMO. At least on the 3DS the circle pad is large enough to accomodate your thumb. I may have to get the little circle attachments to increase the stick sizes on my Vita.
@randomass171 oh I know, i can't tell you how many times my thumb slipped off the 3DS' during gameplay. @Neonridr I haven't a problem with them yet... but I haven't played anything too long to really notice them being too small... though I do wish they had placed the thumb sticks a little closer together, it feels really crapped sometimes.
If you're using remote play in your house, then your router should NOT be used. By far and away the best method is the ad hoc WiFi. (Connect directly)
I know, I just haven't really had a lot of time to mess around with it... though I'm curious as to my the PS3 works with the router and not the PS4? Whatever, I still have to get my brain and hands to adjust to the touchpad transition of the R2/L2 buttons... thx
Not every game swaps the triggers for the touchpad. Some games will use a custom control scheme when you use remote play. Killzone Shadow Fall for instance will set it so the entire touchpad turns into the sprint toggle (double tap and hold), and L&R act as the triggers.
I've only gotten the chance to play infamous and nba2k. I haven't checked to see if either use a custom control setup... though it would be extremely nice to use. Right now my brain is having a hard time adjusting
It is already very good. The release list this year so far has been crazy good. If you give it a chance, it's a great system.
it is a great systems with great games already. I have tons of games on it.
like i said before. to me no matter how Sony advertizes the vita. people will always have some BS excuse not to get it. there is enough games out and coming out that carters to everyone i think. but apparently thats not enough....
Yep, some people will never be satisfied.
Proud owner of both the 3DS and Vita I love both of them! Great portable devices!
The Vita is good! It's the support that's not great! Playing Imfamous SS on it is magnificent.
The vita is great, the problem is, its not well-rounded. Its great for indie titles and titles from smaller publishers seeking out niche markets. What it doesn't have are the blockbuster games, granted they will be fewer but since launch they've really not had any of its own, its all remakes. (borderlands 2). I love my vita, great for jrpg, indie and niche titles. I plan on getting demon gaze next. I just wish there were more blockbuster titles for it.
I knew it was bait and still clicked :)
Unless Vita is your go-to gaming console, I do understand the frustration; however, Vita has been really good to me since I no longer have unrealistic expectations about it. Vita will get games. Tons of great indies, some ports, and a few exclusives along the way. It seems to me that the only people who complain are the ones who do not have a Vita. I am enjoying the ride, so should you my friend. Let the Sony execs worry about their market share and sales.
Vita is my go-to gaming console and I'm overwhelmed with it's library. I already have a huge backlog of games as well as a long wishlist of games already available and upcoming games I plan on buying. I'll be playing my Vita long after it's discontinued. I want Vita to have a steady stream of triple A games as much as the next guy, but at the same time I can't keep up with all these great Vita games.
*yawn* another one of these huh? Must be a slow traffic day.
Gotta put bread on the table somehow!
So, I take it this author has never owned a Vita? I have hundreds of games to play on my Vita.
1. That's all the Vita games. 2. They mostly appeal to a select few.
There are 531 games currently available for the Vita. That does not include supported PS1 or PSP titles, either. They appeal to those who actually try playing them.
Which is a very few people. Hence the "select few" phrase. Vita already has very few units out there and the software sales show no games are lighting up the charts.
"To summarise: if it cost less, had some internal storage/cheaper memory cards, lost its pointless social guff and had games priced properly I would love it." Cost: I think that, considering the tech and options you're getting, it's reasonably priced. Memory cards: This I can agree with. They're still way too expensive. PS+ might get you lots of free games, but the money you spend on memory cards to store the games cancels that out. Social "fluff": This is a really petty argument. If you don't want to use them, don't. It's not like they're taking up much space on the memory. Games priced properly: Judging by both big, retail releases and smaller indie games, the pricing is fine. Sony also has frequent sales, so they don't need to make game prices any less than they are. Of the arguments made, only the memory card one can stand, because it's a general consensus that the memory units aren't giving you much space for their cost. Everything else is just an individual opinion from the author that shouldn't drive Sony's direction.
Who approved this ignorant piece of trash?
The Vita its already good since the PS4 came out, but needs more quality games, and by that i mean some AAA titles from Sony studios, not indie crap.
The indies are some of the best games on the Vita and other platforms so don't know what you mean by "crap". Games are games, not all need millions behind them.
I bought a Vita for playing some big AAA games, the GTAs, the Gran Turismos,The God of Wars, the Metal Gears, so far im dissaponited with its performance, because as you said "indies are some of the best games on the Vita" most of its games are indies or ports and i dont bought a $250+ console just to play indies and ports.
Maybe you should try to expand you horizons a bit. Actually you're going to have to since that is where consoles are heading as well. What exactly is a "AAA" game to you? Pretty graphics? Can't be gameplay quality otherwise you would love indie games.
Expanding horizons has nothing to do with this, its a about tastes, and i dont like most fo the indies because they dont enterteain me, as simple as that. A "AAA" game to me, and to everyone else is a game with a large studio behind it and a big budget, its not an opinion man its a fact because thats what AAA means. Games like The Order, Infamous, Gran Turismo, those are AAA games.
quite ignorant. Lets just dismiss the games that came out since the beginning of the year, right??
Once again another "gamer" who doesn't want to try something different with Unique and creative indie games and instead wants "kewl" "hip" Triple A titles.
The Vita is good for about 1 year now. There are tons of games on the system.
Yeah Vita is already a really solid device with a ton of games. That is if you are willing to expand your horizons beyond one genre.
Its been an OK device.... few new games here and there. There are alot of games from the previous gen on this device. Depending on the person it could be a good thing or bad thing.
Since PS+ imo. Now for it to be great is if Sony properly supports the system. Even if it's not their first party, they need to convince 3rd party to put exclusives on the system. Another thing I think they need to do is release a 250-500GB card/attachment/anything. Yes that sounds stupid. But that's what I want/need. I am fed up with the constant downloading/deleting my games.
@hkgamer "Now for it to be great is if Sony properly supports the system. Even if it's not their first party, they need to convince 3rd party to put exclusives on the system. " That's most likely never going to Happen for quite some time, the reason being many 3rd party see no rush since full on development on PSVita AA or AAA Exclusives cost quite a bit of Money, infact close to the cost of that inline to a Living room console, and the Team Size to boot. or The 3rd party right now can just Port the existing PS4 game to the PSVita to run on the devices as an extension or Remote Play right now while cost's and team size is still High. thats the thing its not just cost's its the Team size needed for such Exclusives to make those games on the PSVita, the PSVita has 128 MB of dedicated GPU ram, and 512 MB of direct system ram and as as over 4 gigapixels per second in fill rate! when making a game for the PSVita , yes you can make quick pick up and play games just like you can for a Android or iOS powered device, but unlike those devices once again the PSVita's GPU has 128MB of Dedicated GPU ram. to put this into perspective the 3DS has 6MB of Dedicated GPU ram! Developing for both platforms is in no way anywhere near the same in team size needed to make AA or AAA Budget games if you want to take advantage of that Hardware that is inside the platform. Right now until the cost come down and also the fact that Unity 3D game engine just released in feb of this year, So until cost's come down, the 3rd party are more than happy to invest low into a port and get better return on the investment. Now that does not help the consumer for exclusives right now, but since the PSVita has 128 MB of Dedicated GPU Ram, its geard to be able to keep up with much newer Smart devices like Phones and tablets because none of them are geard from the get go with 128 MB of dedicated GPU ram like the PSVita is. as it stands right now since the chipset in the PSVita is a faster tweaked iPad 3 chipset its pretty much geard direct for port on any game or application or utility application created for Android or iOS that gets released on the App stores because the PSVita has enough Ummph to Handle it. even 5 years from Now.
Do you live under a rock? There are plenty of tablet's and smart phones with over 1gb of GPU power and 720p-1080p screens. Which the vita isn't even 720p and the Vita is a tablet as it is made up of mobile technology. And yes I own a 3G PS Vita.
Uhh no. Vita is not a tablet. Tablets aren't gaming consoles. Vita is built from ground up to be dedicated gaming device. New tablets may be more powerful but will never offer same experience vita can in the foreseeable future.