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DirectX 12 Officially Unveiled, Will Work On All Microsoft Platforms, First Details Inside

During this year's GDC, Microsoft has unveiled its latest DirectX API, DX12. DX12 will be a faster API than its predecessors, and will let developers create more complex scenes.

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Kayant4111d ago (Edited 4111d ago )

Am happy dGPU and all the other BS from Misterx can finally stop now.

This is great for PC as everyone gets access to it unlike mantle.

zeal0us4111d ago

More like delayed till the end of this generation. I highly doubt that nonsense will stop popping up even after E3.

hakis864110d ago

Will work on all Microsoft platforms? DX12 update for the 360?

GameNameFame4110d ago

Mostly beneficial to PC.

Offering lower level API is not going to close the gap between PS4 and X1.

What is on X1 software wise gets ported or PS4 gets similar version of it.

thorstein4110d ago

It's not out til Holiday 2015. Almost two years away.

AndrewLB4110d ago

gamenamefame- actually low level api optimizations are most beneficial to APU's and greatly enhance their performance in CPU limited processes, freeing GPU resources to increase fps.

http://cdn.overclock.net/f/...

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XiSasukeUchiha4111d ago (Edited 4111d ago )

Pretty much MisterX you lost my bet now get trapped in Izanami for all eternity until you realized your mistakes and get back to reality!

@Not Kayant talking about MisterX

Naga4111d ago

What are you even saying??

zeal0us4111d ago

@Naga
Its a Naruto reference. One of the characters(Itachi) trap another character (Kabuto) in a dōjutsu(ninja move) where the events was stuck infinite loop. The only way he could escape the loop was if he came to terms with himself.

iceman13464111d ago

this guy is really getting under my skin

OrangePowerz4111d ago

I'm sure his "insider" will tell him that it was a strategic decision to delay the announcement.

TruthInsider 4110d ago

Looky here... Check out @albertpenello's Tweet: https://twitter.com/albertp...

4logpc4111d ago

Why even bring him up? you are doing exactly what he wants.

ATi_Elite4111d ago

To make DX12 comparable to Mantle and OpenGL Microsoft has decided to add "Blast Processing and Mode 7" to DX12!

OH BOY I can't wait to be Forced to Buy Windows 9 to enjoy DX12!

Father Murder X4111d ago

you took me back to the good old days with blast processing and mode 7!!! You get a bubble from me my friend!!

fr0sty4111d ago

LOL... i can see all the disagrees coming in from those born after 1992... Bubs for that nostalgia.

tee_bag2424110d ago (Edited 4110d ago )

You took me back too. If I remember correctly F-zero and Pilotwings had some heavy mode 7 graphics going on. I loved it.
Say hi to the veterans here !! :)

darksky4111d ago

Only anyone who has a DX12 compatible gpu will be able to use it. So not exactly everyone...unless AMD/Nvidia are planning to bring support to their older cards.

-Foxtrot4111d ago

I wonder if Thuway will shove it in his face....

edqe4111d ago

You mean SteamOS and Linux in general as well? Wow, sounds big step forward indeed!

adorie4110d ago (Edited 4110d ago )

Some douche pretending to have the inside track, when all he really does have is epic comedy.

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

ChristopherJack4110d ago

You make it sound as if Mantle touched you in a naughty place. I'm sure AMD would be willing to license out Mantle to Nvidia if they were both serious enough to move on to a better service.

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hello124111d ago (Edited 4111d ago )

Conference has only started its still ongoing.

Get it here http://www.pcper.com/live/

Its getting really interesting now tune in guys.

DX12 will enhance any modern graphics chip. Driver support from IHVs will be key to enable those features. This is a massive change in how DX addresses the GPU, rather than (so far) the GPU adding features.

Microsoft wasn't hiddening anything really?

andromeduck4110d ago

it's a big change for direct x but more of a catchup move relative to OpenGL than anything

this won't help the XB1 much other than making the code nicer to deal with - less antiquated/messy api names/parameters and such

the XBO also does not use DX 11.2 - it uses DX 11.X which is a fork of 11.2 that removes some abstraction/compatibility scaffolding unnecessary for consoles (due 1 SKU spec)

imt5584111d ago (Edited 4111d ago )

MisterX and his followers....Buahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! ! !!

Dual GPU's in Xbone, Xbone receive boost in perfomance....

What a MisterX's bullshit!!!

EDIT :

Anyway, game changer, well, NO! Anything that Xbone will have with DX12, PS4 will get it or already have it.

Fireseed4111d ago

You do know PS4 runs on OpenGL... right?

SixtyNine4111d ago

"Anything that Xbone will have with DX12, PS4 will get it or already have it."

Proof that the majority are clueless. . ^_^

kingdip904111d ago

I think he is saying the playstation tools will evolve to match anything direct x12 has in time.

Both will evolve and get better, we have always known this.

fr0sty4111d ago

PS4 actually runs on its own API, though it is heavily based on OpenGL.

Stranged4110d ago

This just backfired. Have you developed anything for OpenGL? Do you know how much easier it is than to develop for DX?

Let me tell you something. PS4's kernel is heavily based on Linux, and Linux graphical part is based on OpenGL. This is NOT to say that the PS4 runs EXCLUSIVELY OpenGL.

What does this tell you?

Yep. PS4 is NOT obligated to run OpenGL, and Sony decides to keep it that way, it's still better than DX.

And here's why.
a) It's a lot easier to code for.
b) It's a lot more powerful as it's open source and have many people worldwide programming for it.
c) It already have most of DX12 features and by the time they release DX12, OpenGL will have all of it's feature, whilist remaining easier, more friendly and smoother.
d) PS Vita, Wii U, Wii and PS3 all run OpenGL based platforms.
e) Professional segment already favors OpenGL since many years ago.
f) It's amazing and outstanding community of millions of developers.

Consoles aside, I develop for both platforms. D3D and OGL, and I cannot say on a clear mind that DX is superior. It's just not.

andromeduck4110d ago

> You do know PS4 runs on OpenGL... right?

OpenGL already has a far better immediate mode than D3D

DX12 is a catch-up/house cleaning to bring it up to speed with OpenGL/Mantle and PSGL which is based upon OpenGL/Mantle

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Gamer-404111d ago

DirectX 12 on X1 game changer, NO.

PS4 game changer. YES. You are a ridiculous PS clown.

Naga4111d ago (Edited 4111d ago )

"In DX12, however, the overall CPU utilization will be down 50% and the workload will be more spread out."

"Benefits will extend to Xbox One."

Very nice. Exciting times ahead for gamers all around.

kingdip904111d ago

The question is just how much of a difference the 50% bump in cpu optimization translates into a performance bump for the xbox one.

It would be nice to have someone around to let us know. I don't think another 50% on the cpu alone translates to 50% more power all around.

Geoff9004111d ago

Well better framerate, and perhaps higher resolution, which is what a lot developers are hinting at already.

fr0sty4111d ago

It'll help in cases where the XB1 is CPU bound, however the bottleneck it is facing currently is GPU and memory bandwidth related, not CPU.

porkChop4110d ago

@Geoff900

It could help, yeah, but the problem right now isn't the CPU. The reason the Xbox One is having a hard time achieving 1080p is because of the ESRAM and the GPU. Those are the real bottlenecks. These CPU optimizations are great though and will certainly help performance in games.

dcj05244110d ago

The thing is the CPU isn't the bottleneck. It's mainly the GPU, ESRAM and slower RAM in that order. Those 3 are making it lag behind the PS4,not the CPU. Perhaps they can load off more work on to the CPU to make up for the other weaker components.

Stranged4110d ago

Of course it doesn't. 50% more power all around means system power. CPU is just a small part of that. And frankly, the less powerful one.
Most system applications now a days utilize the GPU for heavy coding. Even browsers have GPU utilization.

50% less power hungry CPU means better framerates at best. RAM is still slow, GPU is still not-as-fast...

IMHO it will translate into a better console overall, less hardware issues, less power consumption, less heat, more smooth experience.

But at best it'll increase the performance by 8-10%.

Also, take into account that XB1 is getting more and more features. This 50% off is compared to today's console. Can you imagine how many updates the XB1 will get until there? Can you imagine how many apps and functions and software changes?

The system only gets more complex. More and more complex.

By the time they launch this update, this 50% will be down to 20%.

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Geoff9004111d ago

Basically what I said, better optimization of their API.

DX11, wasn't very highly optimized for lower end hardware, and in some cases effected the higher end hardware.

:)

4logpc4111d ago

Nice. Lots of amazing improvements coming.

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer1d 17h ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole1d 11h ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK1d 5h ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent7518h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM1d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif22h ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer18h ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin18h ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Agent7518h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer18h ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM14h ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

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Fishy Fingers1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer1d 16h ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

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HyperMoused1d 16h ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher1d 16h ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning771d 12h ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay23h ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer18h ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain20d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198119d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK19d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts19d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK19d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT22d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits22d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel121d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic21d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN21d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel120d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica21d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14921d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga21d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania22d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts22d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7721d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box21d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7721d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts21d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7721d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb21d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow21d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box21d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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