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Mantle API Vs. DirectX Thief Benchmarks – Mantle Creams Direct3D in CPU-Bound Situations

Here are the first benchmarks of Thief conducted independantly (not AMD Official). The showdown pits the GTX 780 Ti and R9 290X in a Mantle vs Direct X Battle. Spoiler: DirectX Gets Creamed.

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codelyoko4109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

Is it just me or is the excitement on how DirectX 12 will deal (if it can) with Mantle almost palpatable :P

Eonjay4109d ago

The Mantle API is open source. DX12 should do the smart thing and implement it directly into Direct 3D API

Charybdis4109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

I think its more likely OpenGL would implement it on pc platforms. However it seems they are working on their own solutions

tee_bag2424109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

Mantle is open source but written for AMD hardware. It's not like nVidia are suddenly going to redesign their hardware line up to make use of mantle.
But I'm excited by the prospect of a lower level coding that all vendors can use.. Lord know PC could really benefit with some optimization . It's good mantle is making people sit up and notice.

SteamPowered4109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

Im willing to reserve judgement until DX12 drops at GDC. The Mantle definitely outperforms at low resolutions, but they really even out in the higher resolutions.

papashango4109d ago

Reserving judgement is the correct decision. 1080p gaming is where most pc gamers will be looking. BUT dx12 remains to be seen.

Let's see how far out of touch Microsoft is with its gaming user base. If DX12 is locked to windows 8+ then Mantle will be a strong contender for years to come.

SteamPowered4109d ago

@Papa
Holy crap, I never even considered DX12 being tied to Windows 8. That would be a game-changer in my eyes. Mantle would take over for sure!
My projector only does 1080p, so thats right around where I am too.

codelyoko4109d ago

Direct X 12 will most definately be tied to Win 9. Microsoft has done this for every major DirectX release, no reason for them to change now.

vandal GAB4109d ago

@ codelyoko I belive it's more likely to be integrated into windows 8.2 or later builds.

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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ4109d ago

Key here is Mantle ONLY works on AMD Hardware, DX is not limited to hardware

duplissi4109d ago

For now. It is still in the early days for Mantle. AMD has stated that once they are finished creating Mantle it will be turned over to a governing body (Kind of like OpenGL is) and that it will not be restricted to AMD hardware.

Illusive_Man4109d ago

This isn't a competition.

AMD and Microsoft are major partners behind DX12.

Parts of Mantle will be integrated into DX12.

JP13694109d ago

No, but I think it may be palpable in some circles. ;)

Mystogan4109d ago

"However even though it shows the power of Mantle, if Microsoft and OpenGL’s GDC/GTC slides are to be believed, Direct3D will soon get the same treatment."

codelyoko4109d ago

Yup, but since DX12 will be locked to Win 9 and if Win 9 is ANYTHING like Win 8/8.1, i will presonally go and kill Microsoft -........-

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Nero13144109d ago

This type of stuff confuses me lol .

SteamPowered4109d ago

Im with you guy. My head spins with all these acronyms.

Nocando4109d ago

Now that it has been discovered that the Xbox One will support DX12 we will see a ton of stories downplaying all things directx. It's so brutally apparent that it's comical.

DoubleM704109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

Yeah here comes a ton of articles because it's about to hit the fan in here.

SniperControl4109d ago (Edited 4109d ago )

We will also see a ton of stories proclaiming it to be the second coming of the Messiah, there are already xboys on the net proclaiming that it will smash the PS4 into millions of pieces.

Utalkin2me4109d ago

@Nocando

And you don't think there will be tons of articles stating that its the next closest thing to jesus?

Volkama4109d ago

The world doesn't revolve around consoles. Mantle vs directx tests are interesting in their own PC gaming sphere. Thief is the second real example of what the API has to offer.

DirectX 12 will be of interest to both segments, and both segments should cross their fingers and hope it's not all about tablet/mobile performance gains!

JP13694109d ago

They're desperate to feed their collective persecution complex. Don't take away their next meal.

tee_bag2424109d ago

You're right. But this is more for the PC crowd since AMD Mantle is coming in offering lower level coding like consoles have. X1 can already code to the metal like PS4. MS have been resting on their laurels for way too long.. Now they have to be careful they don't lose windows gaming to other competition like Steam

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finite4109d ago

I think creams is a rather big statement more like mmm marginally improves

SliceOfTruth8884109d ago

I think the headline should be...Mantle barely beats old Direct X...just saying very misleading when even the article itself says Mantle is in trouble

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AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D & 9900X3D 3D V-Cache CPUs Now Available

AMD launches the Ryzen 9 9950X3D for $699 & Ryzen 9 9900X3D for $599, offering the best-in-class gaming & content creation CPU performance.

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mkis00797d ago

X3D really turned around AMD's cpu prospects. I wont touch intel now, vs 10 years ago I wouldn't imagine going anywhere near AMD cpu's for gaming only.

ZycoFox97d ago

Zen 1 was merely "meh" IMO, it had major RAM compatibility issues, only really worked with Samsung memory from what I recall, and performance was ok at best, the 8700k launched the same year and was top dog even when Zen 2 came out. Though Zen 2 was much better.. it just lacked a bit in gaming, good all rounder chips though for other applications.

AMD are trying to upsell the 9900x3D to 9950x3D, pricing is weird (too close) and odd chip configuration.. it should be a lot cheaper. They did the same with the 9070 -> 9070XT.

Some funny choices going on at AMD..

FinalFantasyFanatic97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Zen 1 was pretty great for what it was, considering that was the first time in a long time that AMD was actually competitve with Intel, it was also the first time you could easily get something with more than 4 cores/threads. The RAM issues was frustrating AF though, especially since Zen 1 performance relied so heavily on fast RAM.

If we ignore the price, the 990x3D and 9950X3D look pretty great provided you can actually make use of those extra cores/threads, otherwise the 9800x3D is better value.

PixelOmen97d ago

Zen1 was the beginning of the turn around and by Zen3 it was starting to become ultra competitive. X3D was really only the final nail in the coffin.

Jingsing97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

I guess the real question is how many compatibility issues will arise from their motherboard chipsets? also the selection of motherboards for AMD is more limited too. Which often limits what kind of form factor build you want. Last time around I avoided AMD due to their chipsets having horrid USB3 support with accessories. You tend not to see these kind of issues being talked about, it ends up just being games and synthetic benchmarks.

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Project Amethyst: AMD & Sony Collaborate on FSR 4

AMD and Sony co-develop FSR 4 upscaler under Project Amethyst, enhancing visuals and performance for future PlayStation consoles.

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Eonjay101d ago

Clearly there was a colab as every game used to demo the tech was a WWS game. And of course they alluded yo this as far bask as the Pro Tech deep dive.

This means that PSSR is probably a lightweight CNN version of FSR 4 which would make sense due to the Pro and PS6 being AMD cards. The biggest relevant difference in the PRO and the RDNA 4 cards being that the PC cards have 3x+ the TOPS.

They both deliver good results with FSR4 having a better denoiser.

PanicMechanic98d ago

I remember Cerny saying that whatever developments were made with PSSR for the prop, that tech would translate into and help develop FSR 4. Sony is making the right moves with AMD

Eonjay97d ago

Yes it feels like they helped them catch up with ML real fast.

Starman69101d ago

Can't believe how good God of war Ragnarok is on the pro 😳

DivineHand125101d ago

The question is, is PSSR going to be replaced by FSR4 on future playstation consoles and is the PS5 Pro FSR4 capable?

--Onilink--101d ago

Unlikely given that FSR4 is only supported by the 9000 cards.

I would expect the PS6 to use FSR4 since it is definitely superior to PSSR, not really much of a point in keeping investing separate resourced into PSSR, but who knows if both will be available on PS6

ABizzel1100d ago

FSR 5 would likely be out by then and probably a transformer model. I assume Sony will continue to use PSSR for branding purposes but it will essentially be FSR 5 with a PlayStation specifically solution.

The_Hooligan100d ago

In my opinion I think they will still use PSSR for the PS6 mainly because that was a big marketing point for the PS5 Pro and Sony probably doesn't want to abandon it. They might call it PSSR 2.0 or something and will probably use similar tech as FSR4 due to the partnership between the two companies. I doubt PS6 will use anything similar to the 9000 cards so won't have the same bells and whistles as the FSR4.

NoDamage101d ago

I was going to build a PC soon with a last gen and card but this makes me think I should wait to make sure I get the best experience in the next generation as well.

I guess I'm going to be all in on AMD which is the opposite of what I would normally lean towards.

ZycoFox100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

Value wise the 9070XT is a decent card if you don't want to pay for Nvidia ones.. That being said, make sure you're happy with the restrictions using some software, if you're happy with just gaming though AMD should be fine.

Probably best bet price wise is get the 9070XT and then upgrade next gen in a couple of years.. With Nvidia this new gen has been a bust, only the 5090 is a decent step up, even the 4090 beats the 5080 by a fair margin.

Hopefully Nvidia bounces back next gen.. though I expect refreshed 5000 cards before then, 5080 Ti / Super will probably be = to a 4090.

NoDamage100d ago

Thanks! I'll look into software restrictions. Never thought there would be issues there and it's important since I do some graphic design. I was thinking about the 9070 but will have to wait till a it's actually available to buy without the current nonsense.

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Our First Look At FSR 4? AMD's New AI Upscaling Tech Is Impressive

DigitalFoundry : Running on AMD's new Radeon 9070-series GPUs at CES 2025, a machine learning upscaling demo of Sony's Ratchet and Clank is almost certainly FSR 4 AI upscaling - and as it's running on Ratchet and Clank - our 'go to game' for AI upscaling quality tests, we could really put the tech through its paces. Oliver and Alex are at the show - and this is their report.

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ZycoFox159d ago

They're saying better than PSSR! Impressive.. guess it's really close to Nvidia's solution. I'm interested in seeing how the 9070XT or whatever their highest end card will perform, we already know AMD are only aiming for the mid range (or upper mid range) with these new cards but it will still be interesting to see how they compare to a 5070Ti on price/performance.

But certain apps don't play well with AMD that do with Nvidia cards, shame because these cards could be great/price performance.. but not an issue for pure gamers.

883158d ago

Visually it may well be similar to DLSS, but they were quick to point out that they do not have any actual performance data at this point. Time will tell, but it is definitely promising and good to see them impressing.

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Psychonaut85158d ago

Interesting. Since AMD is largely behind PSSR, they’ve now sort of have two different upscalers in play. Curious to see how it all pans out.