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Neil Druckmann wanted to kill Elena in Uncharted 2: Among Thieves

Neil Druckmann revealed he wanted to kill Elena in Uncharted 2 but the idea was abandoned.

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GarrusVakarian3903d ago (Edited 3903d ago )

I saw this on the Reddit AMA, shocking to know he wanted to kill off one of the most loved UC characters.

I recommend everyone to read the Reddit AMA with Neil Druckmann and Bruce Straley, those guys are so awesome, very down to earth and genuine. This industry needs more devs like ND. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAm...

micx3903d ago

That AMA is truly a great read, everyone interested in ND and their games should go through it.

Abash3903d ago

I don't think Uncharted is one of those series that could have a death like that, the tone is too uplifting. Elena dying would probably turn Drake into a darker character, putting a damper on the whole tone of the series

linkenski3903d ago

@Abash which is also why I didn't like the story of UC3. They were always going for the Indiana Jones-y vibe and the comments about Drake and his goals and the means he went through felt way too meta and unfitting for the tone.

Hatsune-Miku3903d ago

What a silly decision that would have been. I would literally have stopped playing the uncharted series if they had killed off such a strong female character. I cant wait for uncharted 4 on ps4.

Ps4 is the future and the future is Ps4

Snookies123903d ago

I almost wanted to quit on Uncharted 3 when that Sully moment happened lol.

nope1113903d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if your vocaloids are full of subliminal messages.

Summons753903d ago

Why it could have been really good character development if that had happened. Quitting because a character you like dies is kinda silly.

PrinceOfAllSaiyans3903d ago

@Lukas I don't really get why Elena is so loved. I didn't really see her that way. To me she was just a regular character. I liked Chloe much better. But that's just me. Everyone else may disagree with my opinion but that's ok.

PS:I just dread the day that Sully dies. I've always had that feeling since U1 that he is going to die. I really hope not because he is probably my favorite character other than Nate Drake. I just know it coming. Lol.

miyamoto3903d ago

Sure glad Elena lived. Her death is not fitting to Uncharted's tone. Harry Flynn shouldn't have died too because he and Nathan had the best rivalry and chemistry in video games. Their relationship was as interesting as Nathan and Elena's.

Alexious3903d ago

I really hope they decide to another game in TLOU universe, it's so awesome. I like Uncharted, but TLOU is just on another level.

mcarsehat3901d ago

I wonder how different this game will be, tonally, because of the last of us' risky story and ending ending that worked.

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xfear2diex3903d ago

if they did that will be better for me i would like more violence in uncharted liked it in the last of us
but as you see he will upset the casual players who want happy endings and the fans of Elena so he save himself a lot of deep shit anyway i hope the next uncharted be in more darker tone and the one who was talking is the Nathan but older due a dark events that will be epic

Silly Mammo3903d ago

Not every game has to go darker. There are plenty of violent dark games out there already.

xfear2diex3903d ago

yeah you got that uncharted just don,t fit to be dark anyway
but there way less dark games than the good ones
yup that was my opinion no more no less

Alexious3903d ago

I agree, of course Uncharted shouldn't go as far as TLOU but I'd like if it was just a bit darker.

OrangePowerz3903d ago

I'm certainly not a casual player, but Uncharted isn't dark and gritty and the appeal of the series comes from the game being light hearted. It still has from time to time smaller dark parts in the game, but it's like Indiana Jones in its overall tone.

The violence in TLoU was fitting for that universe, but it wouldn't be fitting for Uncharted.

Pozzle3903d ago

I agree. I hate the whole "everything needs to be dark and gritty" trend that has happened in games in movies these past few years. Sometimes it's nice just to play a light-hearted game that is all about having fun.

extermin8or3903d ago

Doesn't have to be dark and gritty to kill a main character-such actions sometimes give the series longevity. It gets boring much faster if you know everyone will always be alright that sense of suspense disappears. If there is an element of "oh shit they could well actually kill them off" it'll keep the audience more engaged. I'm going to cite Game of Thrones as a good tv example of this recently. Tlou ultimately didn't kill the main good characters but that beginning made you question if they would the whole way through. I'm calling it now that either sully or elena will die in the new uncharted and maybe slightly earlier on. It'll also be a death where there is no ambiguity because of uncharted 1's plot.

plaZeHD3903d ago

Neil Druckmann is good writer, but was he involved in Uncharted 3?

McScroggz3903d ago

No. Amy Hennig was the lead writer for Uncharted 3. She was also the lead writer for the first Uncharted, as well as the creator of the franchise.

linkenski3903d ago

To be honest Amy Hennig is mostly good at the character-interactions but she often relies on contrivances to build the plot. I don't remember if she also wrote the Jak & Dax games but they had a lot of those samey plot-device things as Uncharted had.

MONOLITHICIDE3903d ago

No I'm pretty sure he was strictly working on the last of us at the time. I'm sure he was involved in someway though.
Also I accidently disagreed. Bubble

extermin8or3903d ago

Ammy henning was lead writer on all uncharted games. Neil wasnt involved in the 3rd game at all but him and bruce were head of development on the 2nd and I think 1st? The 3rd the ND team have acknowledged suffered a little bit from being rushed (in igns history of ND article). And no I dont think she did write jak games but I could be wrong.

Alexious3903d ago

No. UC3, and supposedly the new Uncharted for PS4, belong to the other team. Uncharted 2 team worked on TLOU next.

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kaozgamer3903d ago

WHAAAT...WHAAAAAT...WHAAAAAAT! !! soo happy he didnt do it

odderz3903d ago

Fortunately that did not happen.

Sevir3903d ago

It's a good thing! That end moment when they escaped from Shangrila when the bomb went off and Elena took the brunt of it I thought she was written to die...

Seriously, I love Neil's Dark tones, but those characters are so well written the impact on the game would be too tremendous to undo! The Dynamics between Drake and Elena are tight. A death like that would definitely affect the series negatively!

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

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just_looken158d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty158d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken158d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty158d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken158d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis007158d ago (Edited 158d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken158d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot158d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto158d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer158d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek158d ago (Edited 158d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek158d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty158d ago (Edited 158d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken157d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie157d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman1208159d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast159d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit159d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export159d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight203158d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper158d ago (Edited 158d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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Naughty Dog Boss Neil Druckmann Says AI Will 'Revolutionize' Development

Druckmann claims the tech could 'push the boundaries of storytelling in games.'

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Jin_Sakai160d ago

I’m more interested in what else he said.

“Neil Druckmann says new Naughty Dog title could ‘redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming’

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H9160d ago

It will be something like "we erased gameplay all together it's just a movie now"

purple101160d ago

every time naughty dog make a game, you play it and get the feeling "this is not possible'

from the boulder running towards you in crash, on ps1,
to the massive open world of jak and daxter, on ps2,
to the QuickTime events sequences of uncharted on ps3/4

and now we will see what they do with ps5,

H9160d ago

Press X for doubt at "PS5"

-Foxtrot160d ago (Edited 160d ago )

Arrogant asshole who sniffs his own farts bigs up next game…sounds like typical PR to me

You know what I find interesting? Almost every site reporting this as the main title where the REAL interesting bit of the interview is Neil praising AI and saying it will be used to help push story, characters, dialogue and more.

It’s super shitty to big up AI especially when it comes to story telling and other creative elements.

senorfartcushion160d ago

Just because someone says this type of stuff, it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be good news.

You can say this about microtransactions. MXTs revolutionised the gaming industry.

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Levii_92160d ago

Geez how full of themselves are these guys.

Einhander1972160d ago

He also said it has "ethical issues we need to address" but of course that doesn't get the clicks.

CrimsonWing69160d ago

I’m all for it. Cuts the time to make a game. Look, Hellblade 2 took 5 years to make, if AI can do that in half the time, as a consumer, I support it.

CrimsonWing69160d ago

And there isn’t slop now?

Chard159d ago

Things will get far sloppier brother

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Naughty Dog’s Next Game Is “Really Ambitious” And Will Be “Really Hard” To Create

Speaking on what’s coming next for Naughty Dog, which could be either their new IP or The Last Of Us Part III, Druckmann gave what he seems to feel are realities of the project he’s talking about. That it’ll both be “really ambitious” but also “really hard.”

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"I’ve really surrendered to knowing it’s going to be really hard, knowing it’s going to stress members of the team out"
As if crunch wasn't stressing them enough

helicoptergirl240d ago

Members of the team don't have to crunch anymore

helicoptergirl240d ago

According to people who work there

H9240d ago

So the people who remained in a studio that had tons of workers quiting and others laid off said that they don't have to crunch, and you are just believing that

frostypants240d ago (Edited 240d ago )

They absolutely will wind up having to crunch. Happens at the end of almost every software project development cycle, especially with release date pressures. It's part of the job. Obviously they aren't in a crunch when they aren't in that late phase. But it's wishful thinking if they think they won't see that stress again. Druckmann himself seems to be aware of that.

helicoptergirl239d ago (Edited 239d ago )

Yes I believe them. The people who want to crunch can do it. The people who mentally and physically can't, don't actually have to. Some have young babies at home. Things have changed since the Schreier report.

rlow1239d ago (Edited 239d ago )

@helicoptergirl
It wishful thinking to think some workers can choose to crunch or not to do so. That’s akin to people you work with saying they don’t have to do work they don’t like and you’re the one that has to take up the slack. That’s not how things work. Especially if your the person assigned to a specific task that has to be completed for the development to move forward. It’s a team sport when it comes to making a game. As with most things in life. Now that they are a smaller group, it’s even more important for everyone to pull their weight. Peace

helicoptergirl239d ago

@rlow that was exactly the mentality before the exposure and it was talked about and reported on. It's different now. You know, sometimes things and attitudes just change for the better. They knew they needed to change and they have and they're not stopping trying to make the creative environment as good as it can be.

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Tristan1982240d ago

When someone pays another person to do a specific job in exchange for a certain rate of pay, it's called work.

H9240d ago

They didn't sign to crunch and neither were they paid for it, people were hospitalized in Naughty Dog

MatrixxGT240d ago (Edited 240d ago )

Exactly most of these people wouldn’t last a season in the trades.

-Foxtrot240d ago

I f******* love how many people are doing a complete 180 on their views of crunch culture despite the awful stories reported on over the many years just because we’re talking about NaughtyDog

You can’t just cherry pick what to be mad about

“They signed a contract…it’s called work…that’s life…it’s a job”

I mean really guys, if this was EA you’d be having a field day

I bet you any money if any of these guys regardless of studio went in and said to their superior “Listen, don’t feel like the over time tonight, I’ll just stick to my normal contracted hours if that’s alright” I highly doubt they’d be given a warm response

Crows90240d ago

@h9

Actually yes they did. If overtime is mentioned...that's crunch.

Christopher240d ago

@Tristan1982: The problem is crunch is because of the inefficient management and sudden changes in projects. ND made major story changes based on some feedback, that results in months of rework, redesign, etc. And none of those changes were built into the project from the get-go, so they still have to meet a deadline.

@H9: One person. And they did sign up for crunch, ND is notorious for hiring people who don't mind it. That's the problem, they tell you who they are, people just aren't listening. And, they did get paid, just their QA level of people are paid shit, which is an industry issue for something so freaking important. And people wonder why we have such broken games at launch. Because companies don't want to pay to deliver as long as people will buy enough to get them past first few months of patches and then re-release a major patch with an expansion to get people to come back.

@-Foxtrot " You can’t just cherry pick what to be mad about " -- N4G home of 'hold my beer' on that alone.

CantThinkOfAUsername240d ago

The kindda guy to guilt trip others into overwork or tell them to be better slaves ('employees'). Exactly what corps like. How does it taste?

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anast240d ago

They get paid and they signed the contract. It's not a slave factory.

Shane Kim240d ago

Shh... your in the era of feeling sorry for people.

jwillj2k4240d ago (Edited 240d ago )

Assuming you have a job, how would you feel working 80 hours a week for the same pay? You’ve not experienced crunch otherwise you wouldn’t be speaking like this.

senorfartcushion239d ago

As somebody who has crunched before. No, it wasn't my choice, no, you couldn't handle it, and no, you don't work in a better industry than I do.

Markusb33239d ago

exactly, get the game out before PS6 and if it takes crunch, or over time which you get paid for, get on with it

anast239d ago

"Assuming you have a job"

Assuming I haven't worked more for less, I suppose. And yes, I do.

"Shh... your in the era of feeling sorry for people."

I feel awful for the people that fought for the workers and got stuck holding the bag and lost everything.

"no, you couldn't handle it, "

You mean "I"

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Christopher240d ago

I really hope this isn't management BS stress. I get wanting to put the best out, finding the best new ways and concepts, and ensuring your design is just top notch and not wasteful and fulfilling, but when I hear some manager talking about this my first thought is "Are these jerks changing paradigms on a regular basis that's making people play catch up and redo work to meet their new goals?"

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Kiryu1992239d ago

They lost so many great experienced talented people over the past 5 years

anast239d ago

Burnout is real. I even had to change my job because of it.

Markusb33239d ago

as if you dont get paid for crunch, get on with it,

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Stuart5756240d ago

That it’ll both be “really ambitious” but also “really hard.”

Not 'is' but 'will be', kinda suggests that they haven't started yet, hope not.

Come on ND, a game PLEAAAAASSSSEEEE. Desperate this gen.

S2Killinit240d ago (Edited 240d ago )

From the article:

“Working on this new game, it’s really ambitious, parts of it are really hard,…”

That is the actual quote. They are already working on it.

LucasRuinedChildhood240d ago (Edited 240d ago )

Yeah, a lot of people push fake narratives about NaughtyDog and misquote things. That quote is very straightforward.

https://twitter.com/MitchyD...
Above is the complete debunking of a false story that still gets spread around all the time. And the bad faith actors doing it also only pin it on Druckmann for some reason and ignore Straley. They want to portray Druckmann as an evil schemer, even when the false story they're spreading doesn't align with their narrative. They don't care about reality ...

SuckerPunch doesn't get even 1% of this criticism and they haven't provided any update whatsoever on their next game, and it's a sequel not a new IP, so turnaround would be quicker. That's not logical.

Markusb33239d ago

probably 7 years out at this point after wasting all that time on factions

Stuart5756240d ago

Also, just off-topic slightly but..

Does anyone think that layoffs now may well be making space for AI integration of game development, and 'crunch-time', 'unsustainable', 'big budget' are all terms been used to butter us up to receiving the news that AI integration will help and maintain the level of AAA games that were accustomed to? Perhaps the layoffs were the devs that didn't join a union quick enough and if only they had the smarts of SAG members and strike while the time is right, before its too late?! Imagine DEV's on strike at a time like this, there's already a game drought.

isarai240d ago

Nah, quite literally every industry around is having layoffs.

shinoff2183239d ago

I work in manufacturing. Layoffs here to. Especially people with no skill. I feel bad for them more then anything.

isarai239d ago (Edited 239d ago )

I work in advertisement, Im being laid off in may despite being the 3rd best on my team of 15 just under the team lead and assistant team lead, and the assistant team lead is out next week. Yet the last two years we've all been congratulated for record numbers. Times are weird.

shinoff2183239d ago

Game drought. Lol what. I can't keep up. There's so many dope games releasing. I gotta ask what do you play

Stuart5756239d ago

Not Naughty Dog games, not this gen. You know, Naughty Dog? Who the article is about?

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Brazz240d ago

I hope they remember to make it realy fun to play.

FunAndGun239d ago

I hope it's extra woke and really fun to play.

Kneetos240d ago

And then Sony will lay off 900 more staff to save costs

Christopher240d ago

Is this supposed to be a big gotcha after Microsoft laid off 1,900 and we're ignoring that? Let alone the over 16,000 other layoffs from Microsoft in 2023?

Kneetos240d ago

This is an article talking about Sony, no one said anything about Microsoft

And we should always be reminded of it like people are doing with Microsoft, Sony shouldn't get a free pass either

Christopher240d ago (Edited 240d ago )

Yes, and this article is 100% about Sony firing people.

ND says new game is ambitious - until Sony lays off 900 more staff to save costs!
Sony publishes new gameplay video - until Sony lays off 900 more staff to save costs!
Sony announces weekend sale deals - until Sony lays off 900 more staff to save costs!

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