Neil Druckmann revealed he wanted to kill Elena in Uncharted 2 but the idea was abandoned.
Neil Druckmann, the creative director of The Last of Us, is working on a new, unannounced game at Naughty Dog.
I know they've expertise in third person games.
But given the lack there of in PS catalog, I'd want the other project to be a narrative first person ND game.
Look, there are lots of 3rd person Sony games in variety of flavors. And ND is already doing intergalactic. And since they're pretty expert at gameplay and tech wise in whatever they do, they can easily venture a new genre and ship a first person game/shooter.
So, judging from the dislikes, hardcore Sony fans here don't like first person games, anymore?
I don't really have a big opinion on first vs third person perspective. That's one of the least important things to me when rating how much I like a game
I actually hate 1st person. very hard to associate with a character you only see their hands most of the time.
funny thing is with failures like Concord and soon to be Marathon, Factions could have been Sony's guaranteed huge success with a shooter! I don't ever play online shooters anymore, but I would have come out of shooter retirement for a new Factions game.
{ coming from the above thread }
So PS Fellas hate first person games now? (Understandable)
But praise Killzone and Resistance series, as well?
And hope for a return of first party first person games? ~ but from where? insomniac is deep in marvel territory, guerilla is deep in aloy territory ... suckerP are not as big to undertake that change + dedicated to Ghost series
The only options are ND and Santa Monica, who are rumoured to be involved in parallel projects. ~ so take your pick.
And the other 'new' studios at Sony are not that hot right now with knee deep in live service fiasco
It’d be cool if they bought the Parappa licence and made Parappa 3 that’d be the real good timeline
Wait I thought they cancelled a game? Or did they announce another project?
https://wccftech.com/naught...
I’m assuming it’s the unannounced game in the title you posted.
“Naughty Dog Reportedly Canceled a Single Player Game This Year, But Another Unannounced Game Is Still in the Works“
Devs cancel games all the time early stages if it doesn’t turn out the way they envisioned it. We just don’t hear about every one of them.
Yeah only a narcissist like Druckmann would announce a game this early that has a 99% chance of being cancelled.
Some speculate it could be Uncharted spin off. It's already 3 years in production so yeah 2028 maybe 2027 at the absolute earliest but most likely 28 release.
Also to add. kojimas next game that's not OD is said to be 5 to 6 years out for PS. That metal gear inspired game. These games are just too far off it seems.
'We have several directors on Intergalactic. I work with two game directors: Matthew Gallant and Kurt Margenau, [and] I have a co-writer in Clair Carré.'
Damage has been done but it's not too late yet if they dump him now. Probably won't happen though. It's sad, honestly. We'll see what happens after Intergalactic. That game is going to have a huge impact one way or another.
Yes because they didn’t make some of the greatest games. Right, we all just agree to live in your fantasy from now on.
yall say that about ever developer and then they end up becoming more successful lol
Downfall? If anything he is a huge reason they are on the map! A few apes don't like the material hasn't stopped his games from being massive hits.
I have grievances with Druckmann, but he does deserve some benefit of the doubt. He's been in crucial roles at the company through all of their successes.
Maybe wait and see?
Naughty Dog's Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet reportedly won't make 2026. Neil Druckmann tells IGN: "We are playing it at the office and it's incredible."
We'll probably know how the PS6 looks by then. We really go a whole gen without a ND game?
If it's 2027 with no delays, it's probably going to be a late PS5 game, like the last of us was a late PS3 game.
They had also already launched three Uncharted games on PS3 before that lol.
Although in fairness if a studio like Naughty Dog released three games in a single series in five years like they did with Uncharted, fans would lose their minds with "they're milking the franchise and driving it into the ground" criticisms. I mean, people said they were driving Last of Us into the ground after one sequel that came out seven years after the first game lol.
@jeece Gamers now are so used to games taking 7+ years to make that if a fan wants a sequel to a game 5 years after the last one that its too soon and is going to feel rushed, like some gamers are saying its too soon for a new Far cry game when the last one came out 4 years ago. Games are too bloated now that dont need to be, too many devs trying to reinvent the wheel to a series that doesn't need it. Sometimes all we want is just more of what we just played just to continue the story, just new locations and maybe new weapons. A series known for being linear shouldnt try to become a game thats as open as GTA, maybe make it semi open but thats it. Killzone Shadowfall and UC4 found the sweet spot with their semi openness for a series known for linearity, more games should follow that path.
I dont think so. And it wouldn’t be the first time “an analyst” talks out of his a$$.
The article gives a lot of info based on that one on one interview with director of 28 years later. Im loving whats being said, but i think i reaally should stop reading all the articles about this game. I want to go in blind!
Ps: For this game alone I’m updating to PS5Pro. (And Yutei)
Right at the end. To think we not only got 2 new franchise Uncharted and TLOUS as well as 4 main games in the PS3 gen alone. Now this?
Insane isn't it. Poor leadership is the issue. This game came out of nowhere and we're just supposed to be excited because Neil thinks it's great...wow I'm excited.
Cringe. I can already tell you're one of those who follows their YouTube Lords and don't think for themselves lol
@bunt, and you already have so much games that gives you just that. Maybe skip this one if it doesnt appeal to you
@bunt-custardly
Just don't buy the game, you have plenty of waifu's at home to keep those hairy palms busy. Let games be games, not your porn fantasy.
See you guys are part of the problem. You guys are the reason why we have Ubisoft and tons of other western developers making their females look...well...ugly, manly and fitting the narrative that women in games must NOT be sexualized lest they won't be taken seriously (yet, JAPANESE, CHINESE and Korean developers says a big fat hello boys).
Erm, yeh am going to disagree with you. I can still enjoy a game if the lead character wants to look like Ripley from Aliens sure, but as a preference I like women to be women, not clones of men in a female body. But, when it comes to ND and their forced agendas. I honestly think their actions are more baiting than anything (cue Abi from TLOU2 and how much controversy she caused by-design).
A bit silly of some of you commenters assuming things about me on a personal level, just because I enjoy a bit of eye candy. But if back-handed ad hominem is your thing, then go for it.
@Bunt
"But if back-handed ad hominem is your thing, then go for it."
I mean if your vocal position on the game so far is "I like my female gaming characters to look less androgenous" it's already not a good position. Expect the back-hands... or just have a picture of you favourite cg waifu's you fancy sitting next to the screen while you play so you don't get overwhelmed by the scary androgynous character.
Imagine being so caught up in bs that he cant stop himself from commenting on the length of a female character’s hair as an “agenda”, then turning around and saying all of you guys are “the problem”. He must have drank the entire cool aid that one.
Bunt, has it occurred to you that people disagreeing with you don't do so because they "want females to look ugly and manly" but because they don't need every female character to look like a Barby doll in order to enjoy a game. Some people play games for reasons other than gooning, like, ya know, story or gameplay...
Another person that lacks experience and is proud of it. This is definitely a strange phenomenon.
Not seeing a beautiful woman as attractive is a you thing.
But it's okay. It can be confusing. Hope you figure yourself out.
Hoping we can customize the character with hairstyles or helmets (Ratchet and Clank-style) haha
Almost a 50/50 split on this rather silly comment, yet interestingly (and proving my point somewhat), the only people who are commenting, are the 50% who are in disagreement with it. The other 50% are staying silent. Sums it all up really who has the loudest voices and facilitates these changes.
Because the other 50% know they are being ridiculous.
And what “changes”? You think maybe you been lied to that short hair equals a bunch of other things? Snap out of it. You’ve been brainwashed!
@s2killinit depends how long you've been gaming for go back in time and you will see a massive difference in how lead female characters were presented compared to today. There has been a massive paradigm shift towards less sexualized female characters (not male) in Western developed video games due to a number of factors, but a big part of that shift is due to the fact that people who object, have gotten into roles where they can influence design choices and make decisions. It's not conjecture; it's a fact.
N4G has posted several stories on this topic if you look around. I'm all for diversity, and also don't really care what the character looks like if the game is good. But, I do have preferences (which I'm allowed to have). That's why, I love games that allow you to customize the character, so everyone is catered to.
https://n4g.com/news/265974...
Hmmm, not a western developed game methinks. Not going to see a shaved head version here.
Beating a dead horse here. I'll be quiet now.
You know it's a sci fi right bald space marine bounty hunter been done a million times since the 70s not everything is woke
You’ll live.
OT: Cook! As long as it’s great at launch (and it will be), take your time!
We had 3 Uncharted games and LoU at the end of the PS3 gen. U4, Lost Legacy and LoU2 on PS4. All we've gotten from them is a fancy asset swap for yet another port of LoU and YEARS of dev for Factions wasted after cancellation. I'll live but the fact still stands, this gen whomps yo.
Good thing I didn't buy PS5 Pro what a big waste lol I get the PS6 along side with this game in 2 years time.
I mean, if the gen hinges on the single actions of Naughty Dog for you, more power to you.
I tend to be a little more grateful than that.
And no, TLOU: R wasn’t an “asset swap”, but a full remake using the PS5.
@Inverno, who said that? Lol. Some of guys seem to love misery even when it based on nothing.
He's not wrong though, they haven't done anything brand new this gen other than remakes and remasters, there's literally not been a brand new game since TLOU2 and a new IP since the original TLOU in 2013
So it's not based on nothing, it's based on the cold hard truth. Are we really actually denying this?
Dood it's not coming out til 2027. Safe to assume that next gen will arrive then too, that's the whole gen without an ND game. Not just ND tho, many PS studios haven't or won't put out more than maybe 1 game built for the PS5, and not a cross gen release with PS4, this gen. You can't say that isn't disappointing when many of their studios worked on so many projects, big and small, last gen. Nothing from SSM, ND, BEND, MM, even Insomniac who has more put out slightly more has only put out Marvel related projects. Sucker Punch will be putting out a Ghost sequel built exclusively for this gen, 5 years into it! Which means it'll be their only game this gen. The excitement is dead, if not for third party releases this gen would not have been worth it.
They do. Lots of complaining and no appreciation for the things that have released. Of course, based on disagrees, we see that misery loves company. Just glad I’m not part of that.
Why do I get the feeling they’re going to release a statement in 2027 saying they’ve had to make the tough decision to release on PS6 in order to provide us with the best version they can…I hope I’m very wrong…
How can you go from so many great games to 0 new games?
I doubt it. Sony is also known for releasing major games for the previous gen while the new gen has started.
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Neil Druckmann’s new project has been in development since 2020, with Sony giving him full control over the game but not the announcement.
Whatever they make will be great but I personally would like to see them do a bit lighthearted (uncharted) tone with the next game.
I'll take anything to be honest, easily my fave developer but I think I might agree with you personally Hooligan.
After a decade of TLoU it might be nice to see an action romp or something.
To be clear it's a new IP from Neil druckman. It's the first IP where he will be completely in control.
The way some people talk about him he is basically the heart and soul of naughty dog since the beginning so it better be a banger.
Recently, yes, he’s the most well-known name at Naughty Dog, but he’s not really an original employee—more like part of the third generation, having started toward the end of the PS2 era.
Right now, he’s the studio head, but by the time The Last of Us came around, he was already a lead developer. By Part II, he had moved up to creative director and vice president. So when they say it's the 'first IP where he’s completely in control,' it really means he’s not sharing the lead role with anyone else, like he did in most of his other successful games, including The Last of Us and the Uncharted sequels.
Personally, I'm a bit worried about that. I don't dislike Neil's work, but if you look at the games he's been involved in, it becomes clear that he's more of a "movie/book" type of creative. He really struggles with ludonarrative dissonance, and the more control he has over a project, the more that issue seems to show up.
He was in control of TLOU. Without him the game would not exist. Why do you think Sony gave him a major promotion after the success of an IP he made? Not only was he the writer, he was one of the creative directors in charge of narrative, Bruce the other creative director was in charge of gameplay. The fact that Sony and HBO worked with Neil rather than Bruce should tell you who was in charge of the narrative/story.
They could either announce and tease the game next year or wait closer for the release date to announce and show it off then.
It took Last of us 2 7 years so we're looking at 27 26 if we're lucky.
Gotta be honest, we've known about this second studio since 2020 when they did the hiring blitz... but finding out it's full creative control of Druckmann? I'm not as hyped as I thought I would be.
I feel the same way. I'm not a fan of Neil Druckmann to take full creative control
My DREAM, would be Naught Dog tackling THE PUNISHER ip. Doing a brutal Punisher. Like how deaths and kills in the LAst of us 2 were so realisitically brutal.
Yeah Neil Druckmann has a magic touch. And this is supposed to be super ambitious (when is is not?).
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Ok. Where’s the gameplay? Or a teaser? Will it be ready before the end of the gen?
0 current-gen ND game. It’s kind of embarrassing.
Whoa there...this is Neil druckman....he's a genius!
He figured he can get paid for an entire generation without releasing a single new IP or follow-up sequel/prequel. I'm sure he'll be replaced soon after their new game. I gotta say that naughty dog has clearly changed since he took over...they seem entirely self absorbed because of previous leadership success.
Not really a fair comment as the multiplayer game he did announce was canceled by Bungie and Sony.
Funny Bethesda and Rockstar does this with Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Grand Theft Auto and nobody complains about it. They just keep buying the games on 16 different platforms and are some of the highest selling games of all time.
Yet Naughty Dog does this with TLOU and all of a sudden everyone acts like this is something that has never been done before....they are bad guys.
Is it a little annoying that they've done so many remasters and only had 2 games? Sure. Are the 2 games they released probably some of the highest quality produced games in terms of story, acting, graphics, gameplay, fun factor however? Do you get your $60-70 worth? You bet.
I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week. If you want to play a shit load of games, just go on Steam daily. They release 50 new games a day on PC.
@eonjay
They should have released it since they promised it would be part of the second game and removed it with the promise of it arriving later. But you're right...he almost released something.
@classviceroy
Not sure what your comment has to do with anything I said. I think the same of Bethesda and especially Rockstar.
But I did, he has all the control, Sony the marketing & announcement decisions, I simply don’t think it’s normal.
ND earned my trust for the previous games they released but my trust is not limitless.
0 games this gen. Not even an announcement for the pro? Is Sony ok with that? Are they punishing themselves for trying to force Factions 2.0 LS & now have completely given carte blanche to Neil?
An article about a statement that their next game has been in the works since 2020 is just not enough for me.
Would’ve been nice to have a little sthg palpable. This is ND, not an indy dev. Shouldn’t they have sthg that can be shown or announced by now?
Didn't there last game release 2020. Plus they released the enhanced games as well. Development cycles take a good 5 years now.
It released for PS4, it’s not a current-gen game. Remasters/remakes don’t count. I want to see a current gen ND game, with all the power PS5 has to offer. Fair enough "dev cycles take a good 5 years", They surely had dev kits from before, & still no announcement…
Actually they did announce a multiplayer game but it was dismissed by Sony for not being 'live service' enough. So this narrative that they haven't been doing anything is busted.
I’m not saying they haven’t been doing anything. I’m saying they haven’t been doing what matters. Can I get a new ND single player game announcement?
There are only very, very few studios out there which every game they've released not just only became a critical and a commercial success.
But that are also followed by other studio veterans, press and the community watching their achievments in audiovisual game design.
And I think it's safe to say that Naughty Dog are right up that list. Maybe there is noone constantly at the #1 spot, it changes, which is good.
But wether you like Uncharted, TloU1 & TloU2 or not doesn't matter in this regard - technologically speaking, I still to this day find it unbelievably impressive what they've had accomplished with TloU2 in that field. And of course every other game respectively for its time.
There are only a few movies and movie directors out there, comparatively to the whole pool, that won awards in all the 'best' categories. And even fewer that won them twice or even more times.
Naughty Dog is right up in that very unique list, too.
I don't really care what they've been working on, which should be 5 full years soon if development started at the beginning of 2020.
But I really wish they've made it through that rough time at their studio.
"Hopefully" it's going to be a new IP - because I have the feeling that the efforts they had put into the TloU franchise really became exhausting and tiring from a creative standpoint.
You just need to do work on something different from time to time.
Sry for the love letter, but I just love their dedication and work.
The Last of Us is easily in my personal list of the top 5 franchises and videogames ever created.
I am with you all the way squire, nobody comes close in my view. Even for those who didn't like TLoU2, you have to give ND credit for taking chances, pushing boundaries etc. It would have been so easy to just play it safe like so many other extended franchises have.
Tlou 1 was truly impressive. Hope they can pull the same impressive feat with a new ip
''technologically speaking, I still to this day find it unbelievably impressive what they've had accomplished with TloU2 in that field.''
This 100%. What ND accomplished in terms of fluid and seamless animations in TLOU2 is incredible. Sure there are more versatile and sophisticated engines from Sony, Unreal etc, etc...But so far nothing comes close to TLOU2 animations. Wizards!!
You have bad taste if the Last of Us is in your top 5. It just takes tropes from other games and stories, and they made a good game. Not a great game by a LONG shot. I bet most players never even finished part 2.
I just completed three runs of Part 1 and am about to start a fourth, this time grounded, and not ng+
"It just takes tropes from other games and stories, and they made a good game"
Tell me the game that doesn't.
“ I bet most players never even finished part 2.”
According to the PS4 trophy list, 57.9% beat TLOU2. That’s one of the highest completion percentages in ALL of gaming. Ppl need to give credit where it’s due and stop projecting.
I saw this on the Reddit AMA, shocking to know he wanted to kill off one of the most loved UC characters.
I recommend everyone to read the Reddit AMA with Neil Druckmann and Bruce Straley, those guys are so awesome, very down to earth and genuine. This industry needs more devs like ND. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAm...
if they did that will be better for me i would like more violence in uncharted liked it in the last of us
but as you see he will upset the casual players who want happy endings and the fans of Elena so he save himself a lot of deep shit anyway i hope the next uncharted be in more darker tone and the one who was talking is the Nathan but older due a dark events that will be epic
Neil Druckmann is good writer, but was he involved in Uncharted 3?
WHAAAT...WHAAAAAT...WHAAAAAAT! !! soo happy he didnt do it
It's a good thing! That end moment when they escaped from Shangrila when the bomb went off and Elena took the brunt of it I thought she was written to die...
Seriously, I love Neil's Dark tones, but those characters are so well written the impact on the game would be too tremendous to undo! The Dynamics between Drake and Elena are tight. A death like that would definitely affect the series negatively!