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Alien: Isolation Screenshots Shows Android Death

James Black writes: "Although many details are still rather scarce on what Isolation intends to be, this latest batch of screenshots shows some pretty awesome stuff that will hopefully be included in the full release. All in all, we can see a glimpse of the hacking system, along with some lovely environment shots that include an android that met an untimely fate."

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Pintheshadows4105d ago

Here is a philosophical question. Can an Android really die? I cried when Data was extinguished but was that death?

spicelicka4105d ago

Here is a simple answer, yes. When the word 'die' is used in context like this it doesn't usually imply death as human death. We say "my battery died" all the time, multiple times, to the same battery.

If you mean the emotional impact from a computer intelligence being destroyed, then it depends.

Pintheshadows4105d ago

And that is the most sophisticated comment on N4G today.

I agree. We can certainly refer to it as dying as a piece of technology (like a battery as you mentioned), but as a piece of technology can it die in the traditional sense.

Data may be intelligent, Bishop may be intelligent, they both exhibit aspects of humanity and life, but can they really die?

karamsoul4105d ago

Apparently I've stepped into P4G (Philosophy 4 Gamers) instead of N4G :D

Pintheshadows4105d ago

Makes a change to the normal N4G doesn't it?

Allsystemgamer4105d ago

Well the brain is an organic computer. We use electrical impulses in our bodies to keep it functioning.

We are organic computers

So yes.

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spicelicka4105d ago

Yea it's good to see some sophistication instead of fanboys blabbering.

Hmm I'd say not really, the biggest characteristic of death is obviously you can't reverse it. Any piece of technology, not matter how lifelike, can always be brought back to 'life' if the core is salvaged. Even if it's completely obliterated, lets say it has a backup somewhere, it can be brought back to life.

Which begs the question, if let's say it an extremely complex AI wasn't backed up and was literally irreversibly destroyed. There would be no other coding like it depending on how it could personalize itself with all the data it was fed. Then that would be as close to a death as a human death. Reminds me of halo 4 and cortana, it was really cool that she 'died'. Even though she was just an AI, masterchief had an attachment to her as humans do, and you could say to him she dies regardless of any technicalities.

Interesting, very interesting.

Pintheshadows4105d ago

I like to go down the route of any free thinking artificial intelligence could be considered alive. I like to use the Doctor or 'EMH' from Voyager as an example. He grew his personality even though he was a hologram. If he was deleted permanently then could that be considered death? I am not on either side here as both sides are equally valid.

I personally love Allsystemsgamer's representation, something I have seen before, that humans are effectively organic computers.

I think this debate will be at the forefront of everything before long and in science fiction it is the most intriguing debate. The other one I like which I am addressing in a science fiction novel is would a clone have as much right to exist as the original.

jimjam34424105d ago

computer ai is really a reflection of ourselves as human beings, we designed the computer based on our own brain, maybe someday, if the brain can be salvaged, we too can be brought back to life.

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10 Years Ago, Alien: Isolation Came Close to Being The Perfect Organism

The Alien franchise has had a long history in video games, but few games have come quite as close to being perfect as Alien: Isolation.

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Alien Isolation Soundtrack Released

This sounds great as after 10 years; the soundtrack is coming in multiple formats.

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In Defence of Alien: Isolation

IGN : On Alien: Isolation's tenth anniversary, we revisit both Creative Assembly's divisive survival horror and our own review.

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OtterX214d ago (Edited 214d ago )

The Alien Isolation review was the final review that made me stop visiting IGN regularly. My dislike of the site had already been growing, but this one was the last straw for me. An absolute joke of a review.

IGN holds a lot of power and influence (unfortunately) on the buying habits of gamers. I could understand a 7 maybe if it wasn't his thing, but to give it a 5.9... not a 6, mind you, symbolically marking it as a poorly made game. This game probably could have sold a lot more if a competent reviewer at IGN had gotten their hands on it.

I'm not saying that all reviewers should be hiveminded. IGN is a monolith in the gaming community though, a collective voice. One of their editors should have caught this before release and investigated the validity.

I do think a positive review could have pushed even more sales and maybe we would have had a proper sequel to this by now. Ask most people, hell, just look at the poll on this article.. most people still today call the game brilliant for its time, or at the very least simply "good". I heard most people praising it, even back then! My thoughts are that IGN wanted to push the review anyway without further input from the IGN team because it was edgy, and they were more interested in getting clicks for themselves.

OtterX214d ago (Edited 214d ago )

It really seems like Ryan wanted Assassin's Creed stealth patterns and broke down when he had to actually think and react, rather than exploit poorly designed AI. IGN never had a problem giving AC's stupidly simple AI great scores.

Daeloki214d ago

I can't say I know what their current methods are, but assuming their reviews are done by individual people, I think they should move to do their reviews in groups. Have 4-5 people play a game, write a short review, come together and discuss and write a more extensive review based on mupltiple perspectives.

Venoxn4g214d ago

This game needs an official VR port and for PSVR2

aaronlif10214d ago

I agree. It's a HUGE missed opportunity.

darthv72214d ago

I was just going to ask if this supports VR... if not then VR2 would be great to experience it. I see there is a mod for PC though.

Venoxn4g213d ago

Mod on PC is awesome, tried it myself

plmkoh214d ago

The game has really poor AI that cheats and teleports. Once you figure it out it's comical or downright obnoxious depending on your ability to deal with it. That's why the game either lands as a great game for some or a terrible game for others.

For me since the Alien aspect was a core mechanic it's not something I could look over, it was too jarring and finished the game with a bitter taste. Thankfully once you get the flamethrower you can just cheese your way through it as quickly as possible.

OtterX214d ago (Edited 214d ago )

Give this a read. It's a scholarly analysis of the AI mechanics of Alien Isolation, investigating its fairness.

https://www.gamestudies.org...

It boils it down to 2 ideas: The Sublime vs the Contained (Animalistic)

What you were expecting was a fully animalistic interpretation of the beast, trackable at all times, and contained within parameters of rationale. However, the creators were going for more of a sense of the original movie, and many horror movies for that matter. Horror movies always "cheat". The monster or killer slips into the shadows, in Aliens it's usually the ceilings, which is almost treated as a void. In movies, the monster is always able to pop out of this void at the opportune times of the experience.

It's not a matter of right or wrong really. It's whether you like pure predictability, or if you're down for an attempt at shaking that up, giving the player a constant sense of being on their toes.

OtterX214d ago (Edited 214d ago )

Further, the author of this paper explains the divisiveness of Alien Isolation by dividing the general responses into 2 camps.

"Based on their approach to gameplay, players commenting on the Alien can be roughly divided into two camps, which I will call experientialists and simulationists [9]. The former see the game primarily as an experience, while the latter see it as a simulated system. Experientialists are primarily interested in how the Alien “feels,” their point of reference often being the 1979 film. In their view, a monster should remain sublime; and too much theorizing ruins the game and breaks the suspension of disbelief. An experientialist commenter suggested that humans are not supposed to understand the Alien, because it is a creature with its own “alien logic” and “quirks” [R]. In Kirsi Kallio and her colleagues’ typology of gamer mentalities, experientialists would fall somewhere between the “entertaining” and “immersing” profiles (Kallio, Mäyrä, & Kaipainen, 2011). They consider games just one of their possible entertainment options, connect and compare them to film, and immerse themselves in the game world rather than optimize their play strategies.

Simulationists, on the other hand, observe and scrutinize the game’s mechanics, mostly in order to get better at the game. To do so, they expect the mechanics to be consistent and transparent. In the abovementioned typology, they would correspond to the “having fun” profile of players for whom “speed, progress, flow, skillfulness, and other such characteristics of a game are more important than the story or… characters” (Kallio et al., 2011, p. 344). As such, they are more likely to conceive of the Alien as a simulated zoological entity."

***Ultimately, I think they made the right call bc for many players (including myself) the game resonates with the "feel" of the original movie. Other Alien games before it were never that scary bc they maintained predictability.

gamerz214d ago

Bay's Alien Isolation Overhaul v2 mod fixes everything if you're on pc.

Smitty2020214d ago

Class game I really enjoyed it

RaiderNation214d ago

Alien Isolation doesn't need defending. It's a terrific survival horror game! I sure wish there was a PSVR 2 patch for it!

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