Microsoft Exec Defends Xbox One's Frame Rate/ Resolution Problems

We’ve seen it before, and now we’re seeing it again. Another multiplatform game, in this case Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition, performs with less impressive technical statistics on the Xbox One. In a long podcast with Gamertag radio, Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello touched on some of those controversial topics for which his platform has been getting so much flak.

[ZodTheRipper]

"Sometimes I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor and they like to highlight the points that tell me that I am wrong."

lol Penello went from arrogant to apologetic to butthurt in less than half a year

"I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story."

It's ok Albert, we hear you. Don't be mad.

[Axios2]

http://www.hiddenaudiolog.c...

[xHeavYx]

Lol, wait, one link to a website, that completely changes everything, facts don't matter anymore.

Penello not only admitted that the PS4 is more powerful but also made a fool of himself.
I'd rather save $100 and use the remore to switch to TV if I need to, but keep the more powerful machine

[Kayant]

@xHeavYx

"Lol, wait, one link to a website, that completely changes everything, facts don't matter anymore." - Yep. Well said. On a technical level KZ:SF beats Ryse in most things except facial tech.

[Mikelarry]

@ Heavy

lol

OT: since the COD resolution fiasco i am never taking albert seriously anymore

[georgeenoob]

There is only SUBTLE differences in appearance with 720p and 1080p. Show me proof (not just one biased source) of the amazing differences you playstation fans clam. 30fps and 60fps is a big difference though, and the only game that has this difference is a next-gen edition of a last-gen game.

Oh, and a little resolution difference (which will change after the update), doesn't stop X1 from bringing the best games. The Playstation era is in fact back, but on Xbox. We now know Crackdown 3 and a new Gears of War is coming along with the rest of X1's staggering line-up.

[dantesparda]

This guy needs to just shut up, all he does is make himself look like a bigger fool each time he talks. His job makes him look pathetic.

And exactly mystic, i was just about to say the same thing to georgenoob. But he knows, he's just a mad, phony fanboy/apologist
/denialist

[MysticStrummer]

I hope this is another story about the same interview. If he's falling back on Ryse at every opportunity, and saying the exact same thing, that would be pretty funny.

And yes, Ryse has great faces but KZ looks better overall, just like Forza's cars look nice but Driveclub looks better overall.

@George - Last gen the differences in multi plats were smaller than they are now, but much was made of those by 360 fans. Get ready for a karmic bloodbath this gen.

@truefan - "ps4=more powerful" : Fact

"XB1=better games." : Opinion

[truefan1]

I still love the design of the XB1 and that it can do, but not hitting 1080p and 60fsp on certain games is a problem because the ps4 can do it. All in all it doesn't bother me, but it may bother some. ps4=more powerful, XB1=better games.

@Mystic are we talking about Driveclub the game that has been pushed back several times because they were scared to go up against Forza and now they are trying to duck project cars. It's well known that greatness is indeed waiting until at least 2015.

This is opion that is very close to fact
XB1 launch lineup>ps3 launch lineup
XB1 2014 lineup>ps4 line

[erathaol]

"I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor"

Hmmmm....

@ Quote from Sammy777

http://insiderp.com/ps4vsxb...
16 ROPS

12 compute units

768 shader units

2 ACE/16 queues
VS

32 ROPS

18 compute units

1152 shader units

8 ACE/64 queues
RAM - 8gb DDR3 at 68g/s ,eSRAM at 102g/s vs GDDR5 at 176g/s

[amiga-man]

To be fair he is bringing a knife to a gun fight, it's an argument he can never win his desperate spin becoming more obvious the more he speaks

The PS4 is simply the more powerful console while also being cheaper he can't argue against that.

[BattleAxe]

There's nothing to defend, it is what it is.

[godofboobees]

Georgeenoob is Albert penello

[MysticStrummer]

Yeah truefan, that Driveclub. The racing game that's looked better than Forza since last summer when neither were out yet. Now we know what Forza's release version looks like, and Driveclub looks better before release.

Greatness is here if you want the most powerful hardware, highest reviewed exclusive, and the best looking versions of multi plats.

Those are what's known in the business as facts.

[johndoe11211]

Please tell me you're joking with that link?

[Ezz2013]

i'm soooo sick of this
just admit your shortcomings ,Microsoft
and move on already

[thejigisup]

wtf is up with that website. garbage link, garbage site, i've given ryse a quick play borderline garbage i didnt have fun at all, couldve been due to the fact i didnt really give it an honest shot but facing the facts i never will( my loss perhaps)

albert penello needs a muzzle.

[darren_poolies]

"30fps and 60fps is a big difference though, and the only game that has this difference is a next-gen edition of a last-gen game."

So the X1 can't even run a last gen game @60fps? That isn't a point in your favor my friend. Also what exactly is so 'staggering' about the X1s lineup?

[GarrusVakarian]

Lol @ georgenoob

Just over 2 million pixels (1080p) is not a "subtle" difference to just over 900k pixels (720p). Playing a game at 720p and then the same game at 1080p on a native 1080p TV is NIGHT AND DAY difference. 1080p is blatantly sharper and cleaner, with way less jaggies. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not subjective, you don't have to have 20/20 vision to notice the difference....it's BLATANT. When you see native 1080p, you'll know. 2.25x more pixels is not "subtle".

It's comments like that make me question of you even have a 1080p game and a 1080p TV to play it on.

I find it funny how you downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p because X1 has many sub-1080p games and PS4 has no 720p games. 1080p is MUCH better than 720p, FACT. If the difference was subtle then devs would just stick with 720p.

[Axios2]

@ Darren

KNACK
Killzone single player
DriveClub, last time we saw it

What do they have in common?

All run 30fps

[Whiskeyjacked87]

@Georgenoob
Your opinions aren't fact. You neglect the fact that Sony has the company that won GOTY award for 2013, you may have heard of them. They are called Naughty Dog. Look them up sometime. Guaranteed when they release their next game it will trump even Xbox Ones finest, ten fold.

[medman]

By staggering lineup, the noob means complete and utter sh#t, as Microslop has produced for years on end now. Keep waiting on those game of the year hits from Microslop lil' georgienoob, they ain't comin. If you want the games, you roll with Sony. That much has been well and truly established. And the ps4's launch lineup is rated higher than the bones (truefan1, buy yourself a clue). And Sony's first party studios are far better than Microsoft. And the PS4 is more powerful. And the PS4 is reasonably priced. And it does multiplats better. And it doesn't need fictitious cloudddzzzzz to sucker dumb dumbs out of their money. Sorry you were foolish enough to buy one. You know what they say about fools and their money. Good luck with that. After E3, the xbots will be jumping off bridges en masse, horrified by the complete shellacking delivered by Sony on the heads of every xbot in existence. Granted, there aren't that many of you, but there are enough to make the sight of you jumping off bridges memorable. And hilarious. Microsoft has made complete fools out of every one of you by giving you the honor of paying more to get less. Try harder not to make bigger fools out of yourselves in these forums by arguing in favor of an xbone that even the blind can see is inferior.

[mewhy32]

He's a ms exec. move on.

[BallsEye]

@erathaol

Architecture can make huge difference. MS paid 3 billions to AMD for it's GPU tech. So you just posted raw specs vs raw specs.

So lets compare raw specs of 360 and ps3:

http://www.freewebs.com/bad...

As we can see ps3 is far behind, yet I bet everyone in here would agree ps3 was more powerful than 360, right?

By saying raw specs matter more (let's not forget a lot of XO specs are not revealed) you automatically acknowledge that 360 was always way more powerful console than ps3. Disagree? Please have some balls and give a valid reason.

[H0RSE]

@Kayant

"Well said. On a technical level KZ:SF beats Ryse in most things except facial tech."

- but this isn't the argument. The argument is that Ryse is the best looking game thus far, not the most technically demanding. I see this sort of "move the goalpost" tactic a lot from the Sony camp when comparing visuals, where they try to inject how technical a game is to determine the worth of it's visuals. A game can be technically less taxing on a system, yet be a better looking game - it's simple graphics vs aesthetics.

Forza 5 is a beautiful game, yet many want to discredit it for not being as technically advanced as Driveclub. Regardless how many extra techniques DC is using, it doesn't change that Forza is still a nice looking game. The argument is the end result - the visuals themselves, not what was/is involved to reach it.

[-Foxtrot]

The guy seems like a bit of a dick to be honest

"End of story"

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photo...

[MightyNoX]

Took the words out of my mouth. Love that 'End of story' bit at the end.

[H0RSE]

I think much of his demeanor stems from the constant frustration he endures every time he gives an interview. Imagine being interviewed or giving your opinion on topics, only to have them constantly belittled, and yourself personally attacked by the community, sometimes for nothing more than the company (MS) you are associated with. A person could only take so much before they eventually are just like, "f*** it."

The "End of story" remark, was just to emphasize that he want's the discussion to die. He offered his opinion on the issue, and was attacked and challenged as if he was challenging facts. "End of story" is just another way of saying, "it's my opinion, you can't really disprove it."

Ironically, that gif you posted - http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photo...

Is probably how he feels about many of the responses he gets from the community. At this point, I feel like he's gone from wanting to offer genuine feedback on issues, to just coming to the realization that people are going to believe what they want to believe and say what they want to say, so why even bother.

[Visiblemarc]

@georgeenoob

The differences between 720p and 1080p are not subjective. There is over 1 millon more pixels represented in 1080p, it is the whole concept of "Full HD."

Buy whatever console you like, play what games you like, but please stop trying to warp facts to support your preferences. It's absurd.

Saying that it's subjective is like saying that 1 millon is only subjectively less than 2.2 million. It is not at all logical.

[Smootherkuzz]

Xbox One will do 1080p @ 60fps and to say it will not is just crazy. Will it do it as good as the PS is up to the developers not Sony or MS. Developers take the cheaper way to save money! Just because PS has a beefier GPU an slightly faster memory don't mean that every game developed will use all the power of either system, which we can see already. Whatever system you buy a system is only as good as the material and or content.

[bryam1982]

Microsoft Exec Defends Xbox One's Frame Rate/ Resolution Problems!

but,but,but didn't the xbone fans keep on saying resolution doesn't matter lol poor blind xbox fans even the ms exec acknowledged the xbox poor capacity

[Whiskeyjacked87]

@smootherkuzz keep dreaming.

[USA007]

@Smootherkuzz I like how you say 'slightly' faster RAM, lol. X1 can do 1080p and 60fps, but you'll need a lot of graphical compromises to do it with most intensive games. The truth is the PS4 is a more powerful console and will most likely always out perform the X1. The X1 doesn't have things like its esram optimized in games yet, but even those won't add enough to performance, and PS4 will recieve optimisations also

[H0RSE]

The resolution discussion is really short sighted. A game could have higher res assets yet be rendered at a lower resolution, and also have lower rendered assets rendered a higher resolution. - Ex. A game with high res textures, rendered at 720p. A game with lower res textures rendered at 1080p. Which would look better? Vanilla Skyrim at 1080p, or Skyrim w/ high res texture pack at 720p. It makes the argument much more subjective.

The numbers game is also taken too literal, since much of the number games when talking about the technical aspects here, deals with diminishing returns and incremental changes, same with the "50% more power" claims from the Sony camp - it comes down to perspective. If 50% more = 0.1% increase in power, or an extra 2 frames per second, it isn't really impressive. I'm not stating this is the case with PS4 vs X1, it's just pointing out that details of the claims, are more important than the claims themselves. Does anyone actually know what the differences in this chart, actually equate to in real world performance? http://i2.wp.com/www.sonyru...

And finally, much of the end result of games, like whether or not it is 1080p or 60fps, lies with the capabilities of the devs, not the system itself.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Whats more sad is this is third time this site has posted this same remark from 3 different sites... WE GET IT! I hate that this site is pro-sony, it ruins the experience for other gaming platforms, Look how every Sony article has a high degree on here... Yeah, it's stupid

[johndoe11211]

No one is forcing you to post or visit here. If you hate the site so much just stop visiting and find a site you like. Unless you get some sort of warped enjoyment out of being unhappy?

[gobluesamg]

Well..........bye.

[GarrusVakarian]

Then you would have hated it back at the start of last gen when this site was pro-MS.

The tides turn, power changes hands, fan ratio's change....deal with it.

[GribbleGrunger]

It's not just framerate though:

http://i.imgur.com/cQCWacC....

If I didn't know better, I'd say the X1 version was 900p upscaled to 1080p

[GarrusVakarian]

X1 version looks horrible, all the blacks are crushed due to the broken full RGB mode (look at the plants and the rock on the left (no detail because of black crush) and it's way over saturated causing loss of details on coloured sections (look at the rear wing of the plane, there's hardly any detail, it just looks like a bright, blurry mess). Also, the X1 version just looks.....muddier, blurrier in general. It's not as clean or as sharp as the PS4 version.

[GribbleGrunger]

Look at the tail of the plane too. There are missing rivets. The waves have less detail and there are less of them as you move further out. People are only just picking up on this over at Gaf because all the talk has been about framerate. These are native resolution screengrabs from Gamersyde by the way.

edit: They said it was 1080p and I'm beginning to wonder if the question should have been: 'is it native 1080p?'

[deecee33]

The PS4 is a more powerful machine, but in the end, the only question worth arguing over is whether the games are fun?

I wish MS would just take off it's PR mask and sell us on some really dope games without trying defend their hardware with spin tactics or glossing over the truth. It can be done.

[BallsEye]

Well. I think sony pushes 60 fps no matter what. If you take a look ps4 version of tomb raider sometimes has lower res. Check the IGN comparison. Now if you disagree you need to be really blind. Look at Laras fingers, head, hair etc on this screenshot:

http://oi41.tinypic.com/tal...

Seems people on n4g only see what they wan't to see. Now who can disagree with this screenshot?

[Hyper_Tension140]

That looks like depth of field to me, but keep trying....

[Picnic]

"Sometimes I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor and they like to highlight the points that tell me that I am wrong."

That's what any N4G commenter starts to think after a while. They're right of course. People, being separate egos on the internet that like to anonymously exert, are probably something like 10 times more likely to point out strong disagreement with something than to point out strong agreement with something. Which is why both 'Agree' and 'Disagree' should be replaced with a mandatory comments box where any comment can be deleted for being an insufficient reason if it gets enough 'I disagree with this agree/disagree reason' votes from other people.

[Sarcasm]

Hey Albert, 2 + 2 = 4

"I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story."

Wat.

[Negative77]

Are you seriously going to argue that???

[GryestOfBluSkies]

i would argue that killzone looks better than ryse. just my opinion

[Boody-Bandit]

Gryest

I played both Ryse and KZ:SF and I agree with your opinion 100%. I wonder those that claim Ryse looks best actually played some of the games on the PS4. IMHO Infamous and Drive Club are going to raise the bar even higher.

[Sarcasm]

I'm not sure if you're reading correctly. That's quoted from Albert himself, dodging the differences between the resolutions and frame rate discrepancies on multi-platform games.

[frostypants]

Ryse has great facial detail and animations and some ok kill sequences. That is all. The basic combat animations suck ass and the environments are nothing special.

It is overall kind of impressive looking, but it's up against launch titles. It's like winning the Special Olympics.

[dantesparda]

He can "think" all he wants, but it doesnt make it true. I could "think" that there is a pink elephant in a tutu twirling in my room right now, but it dont make it so

[liquidhalos]

He cant be in your room, hes in mine right now :P

[sinspirit]

He's there every time you look away.

[MilkMan]

"Microsoft Exec Defends Xbox One's Frame Rate/ Resolution Problems"

- "LOOK! YOU cant expect everything from your cable box company. So stop your yammering and get to payi...I mean PLAYING...LOL! I meant playing. Excuse me."

[liquidhalos]

End of story

[GentlemenRUs]

Well, He has to don't he?

He is an Exec of M$ isn't he?

[ThatOneGuyThere]

yes. and he needs a raise. he has a VERY difficult job for the next few years.

[Lionalliance]

Ryse yeah best looking, but everything else? meh.

[CrowbaitBob]

Ryse is actually a really great game. It's loads of fun, despite the review hate.

I have a tendancy to play games before judging them rather than relying on reviewers to do my thinking for me.

There's simply no arguing that the PS4 is superior to the Xbox One after having witnessed both in action. That said, both consoles are huge strides above the 360/PS3 as evidenced by Ryse and Killzone. This generation is off to a great start.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

who actually disagreed with this? lol

[TomahawkX]

This guy does his job well. Spin Master Extraordinaire.

[Edi007]

ryse ok but the ryse that microsoft show us in the e3 not the downgraded one to 16-28fps@900p and downgrade the numbre of polygon in the hiden part version that we have in the xbone

[Bdub2000]

My take on it is this, the hardcore gamer is gambling on Microsoft if they get an x1. It's graphical power doesn't match ps4s potential, agreed. But the TV thing and kinect could have swung the tide if THEY DID ANYTHING WITH IT. that's my problem with my x1 so far, i gambled that cool stuff would happen with these features that ps4 doesn't offer, and the kinect could be a huge thing, but for right now, no one seems to care it's there (developers I mean), no one's taking advantage of it, and until someone does something amazing with kinect that ps4 can't do, it is just a gimmick. Anyways, just my 2 cents, not trying to step on my fellow x1 gamer friends.... Its still early in its shelf life...

[CrowbaitBob]

I'm gambling that I'll be able to play Destiny, Halo and Gears of War on my Xbox One. I think that's a pretty safe bet.

From what I've seen of the Xbox One and PS4 so far I'm really excited for this generation. The PS4's clear technical superiority is a good thing in my opinion, and should not be cause for division in the gaming community. I really like that both systems really do offer something unique beyond a few exclusive games.

[Codey47]

Mr Penello...you should of kept quiet from the beginning...but you couldn't help yourself. You are responsible for digging yourself a rather large grave...unfortunately for Mr Penello he shudda stopped at the regular 6 foot as opposed to 6 foot away from the Earths core.

[DanielGearSolid]

Smh...

First theres no difference

Then the cloud makes up the difference

Then difference is marginal

Now the gpu is getting 8% more power at the expense of kinect

At this point you gotta realize if you're on the internet you have to tell the truth... Ppl dont fall for that bullsh** anymore

[MysticStrummer]

"if you're on the internet you have to tell the truth... Ppl dont fall for that bullsh** anymore"

Sadly there are plenty who fall for it, and then call anyone who disagrees a fanboy.

[DanielGearSolid]

Amen

[Hyper_Tension140]

Yea, like the people on youtube watching graphic comparsion videos and still thinking they look the same or better on the xbox.
Poor them, most don't even know that youtube cant do 1080p.

[Dasteru]

"It's better to not say anything and let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

[D-riders]

are there any games out that are supposed to be graphics heavy like ryse. dont you think that the xbox one needed ryse to show hey we can do great graphic even though the machine cant keep up. what if ryse didnt look better than ps4 launch titles. then the xboxone would really be hurting. MS is in a hard position trying to convince people who dont caer about kinect that they should for 100 dallars. also the system has some problems and has turned away manay. not even sure if they can get their fans back .

[coolasj]

Penello -
"I know more than you. So I'm right an you're wrong"
"And I'm not even gonna prove it. "

[GryestOfBluSkies]

i disagree that ryse is the best looking game. but thats his opinion and thats totally fine. one problem that isnt opinion tho, is that ryse is below 1080p/60. it further proves the point of a weaker system that an exclusive cant even provide those numbers.

[frostypants]

And there's zero doubt that Ryse could be made for the PS4 (and probably look better), so his claim doesn't really prove anything other than MS ability to pay for exclusivity.

[chrissx]

How this man can still call that flop that was ryse tells u the whole xbones story

[iceman1346]

talking about bad PR...

[DJMarty]

MS PR damage control........lol

how can ya defend Sub HD and frame drops below 20fps.

Why would anyone get X1 over PS4

4>1 always will be:)

gamer2013 - PS2 wasn't weaker than both Xbox and GC, thats BULLSHIT

[juliotheman21]

Penello... Just stop.

[gamer2013]

The PS2 was weaker than both the Xbox and Gamecube but it had all the games.

[MasterCornholio]

But what proof is there that the most powerful console can't have the best library of games?

First time for everything my friend.

[gamer2013]

The days of Sony having all the games is done. MS has thrown 1 billion into game creation while Sony is struggling to keep their head above water financially. The PS4 is just massive overhype.

[bryam1982]

yeah like the 3 years xbox fans was waiting to play exclusives games while the ps3 was pumping awesome exclusive after exclusive (including the.best game of the last gen according to various sites the last.of us) i think xbox fans have a short memory problem

[Grimhammer00]

It had best 1st party. Not just "all the games"
That hasn't changed. Sony still destroys in 1st party & will have equal to xbone third party.

Launch exclusives are gambles. But make sense because MS/Sony need that initial boost.
Except Sony doesnt. It has its 1st party.

So as the plyr base accelerates a difference with Sony leading. Pubs cannot ignore.

MS is already done. Mostly because shareholders are sick of bleeding cash to get less than half the gaming fanbase.

This is likely why MS came up with the TV thing.
And from all accounts it's largely a bust. Nobody talks about its greatness. Or how much they love spending $500 on a tv reciever. (That plays games)

MS has tons of cash. They can pull some amazing crap - but when do you think shareholders will be finally pushed over their tolerance?

[Sarcasm]

And the PS4 will be stronger than the Xbox One and obviously Wii U and will still have "all the games."

The PS2 argument doesn't work.

PS4 is

-Cheaper
-Easy to develop for
-Most Powerful
-Most 1st party Support

[zerog]

No m$ dropped all that money on buying games, not creating them. They don't have any real 1st party support, most of their exclusives are 3rd party games that m$ paid a lot of money to keep that way and if you think that is cheap you're out of your mind. You're talking about 10s and 100s of millions of dollers per game to make up to the dev for the losses they have for not going multiplat so $1 billion probably didn't get them far.

[Grimhammer00]

Lest we forget - this company is so devoid of honesty it beggars disbelief.

If they told me the xbone was black I'd; at this point, question it!

I expect developers this gen to get creative in how they hide xbone failings. And MS will bleed money like crazy to incentive parity, create doubt through advertising, outright buy ips or publish them to legally lock them up.

Sony will keep doing what it's always done. Only this time they are already ahead. Once year 2-3 holiday hits - Sony devs will be utterly destroying xbone games. It'll be enormously apparent.

This will have a undeniable effect. Third party will flock to the largest playr base. MS will increase its money hatting. This will push shareholders over the edge at some point.

That will be interesting times at MS.

How is MS going to stop this? By spending money. And that is precisely what shareholders have been upset about recently.

[Duke19]

No amount of talk is going to change the fact that Sony put out the more powerful machine, thats not debatable. Im just surprised how many people from M$ keep getting bated into these topics.

They should be trying to play to the systems strengths - aka the exclusive titles that it has. Instead they keep bringing up multiplatform titles, where the PS4 is always going to have that hardware/performance advantage.

[omegaheat]

This entire article was copied and pasted from last week. Same shit but different day. Journalists need to find another way to drive traffic. This is getting really old really fast.

[DevilishSix]

I have always considered myself a realist or as they say "the proof is in the pudding" kind of guy.

With that said:
BF4, COD, and AC4 all had higher resolution on PS4.
AC4 had a better framerate.
Now we have TR:DE where the framerate on PS4 is 50 to 100% better.

It is safe to say, without even looking at spec sheets that show faster RAM and a more powerful GPU, that PS4 is topping the X1 in performance.

PS4 also tops the X1 in download speed from disc to harddrive.

Proof is in the pudding on which is better hardware.

[Grimhammer00]

When you tout a unique feature that works in one country. And is fundamentally superficial. It's a lame duck.

Where's the kinect launch title that shows how amazing it is?

Where's the tv functionality in Europe? Canada?

If I sold you my new hugely advertised iPhone killer....and promised its touch screen functionality would only work on the US, initially. How sad would that be?

[heisenberguk]

All they seem to do is defend defend defend these days!!

[NovasRevenge]

ok this is how im imagining it in my head. ok so its the year 3014, and albert is having his great grand kids stay over for the weekend {billy and tim} so when billy and tim arrive albert notices they have brought their new console with them, so they get in the house and give albert the console to plug into the tv. all of a sudden albert notices something and almost vomits, billy and tim ran over to see what was wrong with albert

billy; whats wrong grandpa {albert}

albert; what do you mean whats wrong,this is not the new xbox its the new...

albert could not even say it because if he did then he would vomit

tim; yeah grampa its the playstation 10

albert; what do you mean, why did you not buy the new xbox 100 {microsofts 100th attempt to make a decent console}

tim; dont be silly grampa everyone knows the xbox sucks

albert; dont be silly boys

billy; but grampa its true it has better graphics/framerates and you get free games every months for only $40 a year

tim; yeah and the new xbox costs $1000 a year with no free games and 3000 imaginary dedicated servers

albert; better graphics BETTER GRAPHICS he says but but but what about RYSE

billy and tim looked at each other in confusion

billy/tim; RYSE what is ryse

albery; ok let me tell you a story, 100 years ago in a land far far away there existed 2 machines there was the ps4 and the xbone, the ps4 was more powerful but the xbone had 1 game and that game was RYSE which was the best looking launch game

tim; what did it play like

albert; [MUTTERS UNDER HIS BREATH} itplayed like crap it was boring and repetative as hell BUT it looked fantastic

billy; so what happend next how did you beat ps4

albert; we could not so what we did instead was everytime a multiplat game was released and was better on ps4 we just repeated the same line over and over and over again

TIM; waht grampa what did you repeat

albert; RYSE

at that moment albert then seemed to go into a trance RYSE RYSE RYSE he just kept repeating it over and over again with the occasional line of something about trying to convince people that 900p was better than 1080p.

as albert was in a trance billy and tims mother walked through the door {she had forgot to leave the boys pyjamas} as she walked in the room and heard what albert was saying she started screaming because thet one word {ryse} brought back all her horrific childhood memories where albert would torture her every day and night reminding her all the time of how good ryse looked.

she pulled out a gun and shot albert in the face and that was the end of albert and ryse

but people who have heard strange things in that house they say if you stand in that room albert was shot in at 3am albets ghost will whisper in your ear RYSE.

[liquidhalos]

okie dokie then.....

[Bdub2000]

Don't quit your day job, telling stories ain't your thang.

[Grimhammer00]

Here's what I think would be awesome.

Ninny stealth funds/buys Sega.
Sega comes out and targets Xbone with a new console!

Whether Sega becomes successful is irrelevant.
Ninny & Sony with Sega collapse MS xbone and force MS out of the market.

Now you'd think that's not good for gamers. Because competition is.

But, look at what MS has brought us:
-pay to play online
-money hatting abuse
-forced parity in the 360 yrs
-stealth advertising (dirty, morally bankrupt advertising)
-ludicrous online pricing of games older than some kids who play on Xbox!

Sony isnt perfect. But by comparison they are saints.

[hkgamer]

Sony is nowhere near perfect just like all their competitors. They are all around to make money in this business.

nintendo likes to profit as much from their hardware, but for some reason the limited amount of first party exclusives they release seems to make it worth it.

MS you pointed out all the negative points, but with all that money they make they are able to sustain a great online gameplay which most people brag about. MS spends alot of money for exclusive content or franchises and therefore reinvests money back intot he industry.

PSN was free but surely that was causing them to lose money.

Im a Sony fanboy so a rant about them less :P

[Gunstar75]

I like Ryse........

:0/ <dons tin foil hat>

[jacksjus]

The way I see it maybe all of this graphics stuff is getting overblown. The problem however with this Gen is the things that are being debated shouldn't be up for discussion, hence the reason to even purchase a new system. You don't buy the same thing again when you go and get he latest smart phone right? So this shouldn't be any different. MS has two problems here, one is the higher price which can be corrected on their end. The other issue is their PR that continues to bury themselves further with each quote. No excuse for a game not running at 1080p/30fps at minimum in this day and age, and that goes for both companies. I agree with 30fps/60fps being a design choices seeing that 60fps can make some games look too arcade-like. But that is what it should be a design choice, so when you see the same game running on two systems differently that is a problem.

[cruzngta]

They can defend all they want - people get desperate when the going gets tough and right now it is brutal for MS to see so much bad press with all of the games not getting the 1080p treatment or outputting 30 fps instead of 60. Everytime they come out and an exec tries to defend MS it just makes them look even more desperate and just really bad. They know they have a weaker system but what they should worry more about is gettiong the best games they possibly can get out of what the system has to offer because Sony is only going to make more and more games that look amazing. Wait till Infamous hits in March, then Driveclub and then the Order 1886, plus many more that Sony always creates because of how cutting edge and creative they are. So many first party studios and now the home for superior third party games. Yeah these execs should just save all of their energy and try to bring the best games they can get out because it is going to be a tough fight for MS.

[static360]

i really did enjoy my 360 and i really want to continue with xbox but, at $500 and (hate to admit it)less powerful system, with a college student budget. ps4 is calling me.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

Crackdown 3 and a new Gears of War is coming along with the rest of X1's staggering line-up.

crackdown 3??? oh no,not crackdown 3,how will the ps4 ever counter the legend that is the crackdown series.. who cares about gears anymore,ppl are long over that,now an inferior dev has that game,good luck with that garbage.

sony 1st party=insanely high quality

[infectedaztec]

BT studios never made a game but are filled with talented developers who have made some great games. Far too early to say they'll be amazing but ridiculous to say they're inferior.

If you're a fan of GOW well their main man has been recruited for a new Ryse so theres a Sony 1st party dev whos jumped ship (maybe hes not insanely high quality now that he's moved to MS?).

Theres alot of excitment over QB also. Anyone who played alan wake loved it.

Halo, Project spark, Forza....

I just realised I don't have enough time to address each great upcoming xb1 game

[infectedaztec]

Ryse is still the best looking game. Doesn't mean its worth €65. I have an xb1 and didn't buy it. I have yet to see footage of a game release or in development that visually looks better. Ryse looks like a movie which is its strenght but it also looks like it plays like a movie which is its weakness. I actually think Deep down looks great but do not like the look of its sluggish gameplay in the slightest.

Looks aren't everything but come on guys, it was better than any PS4 title in the looks department. I hate how full this site is of sony fanboys who wont give an inch to the xbox. Not true gamers at all.

Both PS4 and XB1 are great consoles. And have some great games coming out for them. The PS4 is more powerful hands down (as will be until Esram is mastered) but XB1 have the best exclusives coming in 2014 by a long shot.......a really long shot.

TLOU is the best Sony exclusive I have ever played since the PS1 by a long shot and made the Sony name look great in 2013, but 2014 will be MS's year - though you won't admit it.
When I'm not interested in Infamous, theres only the Order that I'd like to play.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

Don't defend it no need it's awesome and next gen for sure so what ps4 has an edge. I'm lovin the one its ready for the digital future for sure just gonna get better I'm a xbox fan I like the controller gamerscore and that's where my friends are most of all.we should all be happy for freedom of choice. I'm a bears fan just because the broncos are better doesn't mean I'm gonna change teams. But I don't hate on the ps4 it's great to

[Milruka]

Not like the ps4 is any better, the new tomb raider can't keep 60fps like its advertised and drops down into the 40s even.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

Xb1+ps4 is an ultimate console set up I wanna play kz and halo and dr3 and uncharted don't hate save up and get both both are tricking awsome

[ded1020]

I think Microsoft would rather Penello get "butt hurt" than listen to feedback post E3 about how their system is %50 weaker and should change that.

You're competitor released the same time as you with a more compelling offer. You guys don't seem phased by it, nor are you informing anyone why Xbox One is better. I think it's time to let the secret out guys.

[wooferine]

Hmpf! The visual accomplishments of the Ryse game don't prove the parity of graphical capabilities between Xbox One vs. PS4. That's faulty logic. Rather, it proves that Crytek did an excellent job programming on the Xbox One. The most reliable way of comparing the graphical strengths of the Xbox One vs. PS4 is comparing the same game done on both systems (multiplatform games), though the comparison is best done later on in this console generation to give developers time to figure out how to optimize each platform.

[chuckyj1]

Look it's simple. First off I own a Xbox One, and will get a PS4 when I'm good and ready. I don't care about game companies, b/c they don't care about me. They want my money plain and simple...

MS knows they cut too many corners on the Xbox One technology, b/c they had to keep the costs down. Why? b/c they packaged in the Kinect 2.0 w/ every system.

They probably didn't realize they either A)Underpowered it too much that 3rd parties would have difficulties running 1080p/60fps or B) didn't realize that they made it too hard to program for to reach 1080p/60fps in the same time frame it takes PS4 games to get there. Which is not good for multi-platform games. PS4 will have the edge in performance.

For me I don't care, as long as the frame-rate is smooth and that means locked at 60 or 30 I don't give a F**k. The only way I would notice is if I had the same game running side by side, which I never will. Same goes for the graphics department, 1080p is nice, but I really haven't seen any game on Xbox One retail I would consider with bad graphics, and X1 had the launch game with arguably the best graphics in Ryse, which only ran native at 900p.

Obviously games can run 1080p/60fps on X1, because some of them do Forza 5 off the top of my head proves it can be done, just not nearly as easy as the PS4.

MS knows they underpowered the system...Gamers know they did; it all comes down to whether you give a crap or not...

I bought X1 first simply b/c I like the MS exclusive line of games more. I don't care as much about 1080p/60fps as much as I like a smooth game playing experience with great graphics.

Pretty much all games will deliver that this gen, just that much more on the PS4 than the X1. Not to say 3rd parties wont be able to do 1080p/60fps on X1 it will just take more time for them to find was to do it faster and in a more efficient way.

But, to each their own buy the system you like the exclusives best. If that's both of them like me, it's that much better...no need to pick sides play them both!