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Albert Penello Comments On Multiplatform Games Running At Lower Resolution/Frame Rate On Xbox One

"It's no secret that some of the major AAA multiplatform games have struggled to run in full HD [1080p] or better frame rates [60fps] on the Xbox One."

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XiSasukeUchiha3798d ago

Hopefully everything will settle down!

cleft53798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

The reality is that the PS4 has more power than the Xbox One and it is easier to access that power. It's not that the Xbox One isn't powerful, it's that it takes more time to get at that power.

If people are looking for the most powerful console than the choice is clear. If they want the exclusive games that Microsoft produce than they have to get the Xbox One. That does mean accepting that they are buying the less powerful console. It's not the end of the world, developers will get better at making games for the Xbox One, but the PS4 will always have the edge on 3rd party games unless developers go out of their way to limit their games to be on par.Those are the facts, it's not really debatable, the problem comes when people and developers try to pretend otherwise.

raWfodog3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

I believe that given enough time the developers would also be able to optimize the XB1 versions of their games to have them output at similar specs. But that seems to be the gist of the issue. The developers seem to suggest that they are on a strict deadline and the PS4 is easier to get to that level in that timeframe.

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jaredhart3798d ago

Panello in Damage Control speak again.

windblowsagain3798d ago

Your correct in some ways.

But XB1 will never compete for REZ and FPS with PS4.

It does not matter how much coding goes on. The GPU is too weak. Ram is not as fast.

But your correct in the fact that people can still buy xb1 exclusives.

thekhurg3798d ago

I'm shocked he's still trying to hold on to his claim that Ryse is the best looking next-gen game.

BallsEye3798d ago

I'm sure that as soon as devs will start making real next-gen games not just porting it from old consoles, xbox one will shine. Move engines, plenty of other dedicated chips and ESRAM can give huge advantage if used right, as many devs already said. PS3 had less powerfull parts on paper and complicated architecture, but later on it cought up and sometimes surpassed 360. It took time. Now XO is one with more complicated architecture, which needs to be tamed. Funny how suddenly fanboys change their tune from what was going on with ps3 - "devs are just lazy cause they don't wanna code for more complicated but new and advanced architecture of ps3! "- they said. Now all the fanboys in here favor only raw specs and simple off the shelf architecture.

Here are raw specs of ps3 and xbox 360

http://www.freewebs.com/bad...

So what say you?

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Why o why3798d ago

yeah BallsEye, because forza looked better than gt and all of ms's exclusives looked better than tlou and gow3 etc......lmao. ps exclusives outperformed ms's ones in many genres... Lets not try and rewrite history. It was more complicated but yielded better results in the right hands. Now the architectures are the same....only difference, which has already shown proof, is that RAW POWER......go cry somewhere else

Biggest3798d ago

I wonder. If the differences between the PS4 and Xbone are so insignificant, what the hell are they doing selling the Xbone? The X360 is not very far off from the Xbone in performance so far. I know the guy works for Microsoft, but he really needs to learn when to walk away.

creatchee3798d ago

Penello really needs to stop - every time he opens his mouth or types something, he gets jumped on repeatedly by the internet (most of those times, deservingly). His statements typically come off as "we have X, but I have no proof of this other than stuff that I don't understand or numbers that are misleading."

And this is coming from a Xbox supporter.

redwin3798d ago

Lol, it's interesting. It's a fact that when you feel that when you have to justify yourself it's because you have the must doubt. Keep that in mind when you post, I'm very happy with both of my next gen consoles. I'm also very happy that Sony came to their sences and made their controller bigger like the MS' now it's a better experience. 30fps- 60fps I'll buy the one that will give me a better experience, do you think look at the fps when I buy an Indy game? I buy a game experience. PS, I can't wait unti Infamos and TitanFall comes out, I'm loving this gen.

JokesOnYou3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

quoting another comment:

"Ps4 version is ported by nixxes who ported the pc version. 45-60 fps with stuttering. Xbo version is ported by united front games at 30-40fps

Tomb raider:Moneygrabber edition.

60 bucks for a Hd port. Enjoy."

-Also cleft5 I agree ps4 is more powerful but not orders of magnitude more powerful as if its on par with the latest high end pc specs. In other words the ps4's ceiling this gen is still only going to be 1080p 60fps at best and so will X1, unless youre going to tell me ps4 games are going to have have higher res than that comparable pc then realisticly we arent talking about a huge future gap even though of course performance of both will get better. So the point is although ps4 might be easier to hit that benchmark X1 is more than capable but of course tools and time are a bigger factor in doing so. COD Ghost, BF4 all rushed for launch deadline which is even more obvious by all the problems post release. Tomb Raider again is a money grab trying to capatilize quickly on a port with different teams, yet there is nothing tere content wise to justify $60 re-release.

I mean any way you look at even though the X1 on paper isnt as powerful as ps4, the specs confirm its much more powerful than 360, so if 360 was doing 720p 30/60fps no problem, then X1 is certainly capable of 1080p 60fps for all but maybe the most demanding open world games, an optimized fps on a new engine or platformers, action games etc should and will be achievable but of course some would rather believe last gen ports, and early software indicate exactly what we will see all gen as if devs wont extract more performance in the future which btw I'd prefer game design was the priority vs dumbing down to ensure a game hits superficial benchmarks, as I said DR3 may be technically flawed but it's scale is also more ambitious.

thejigisup3798d ago

@ballseye what makes the architecture of the xbo more complicated than the ps4? I see weaker specs but I don't see whats making this more complicated.

@rawfodog "I believe that given enough time the developers would also be able to optimize the XB1 versions of their games to have them output at similar specs" If developers are putting in the same amount of time and effort for optimization on both consoles there will still be a potential for a huge gap in quality of the game.

ProjectVulcan3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

"There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious"

This was the comment that started this debate.

Are we seeing a difference, where PS4 can perform 30+ percent better on the same games? Is it an obvious difference?

I don't see a way around this, it's a fact. It's all factual and Penello was wrong, and has to either apologise for being proven incorrect, or preferably- quieten down.

johndoe112113798d ago

@Ballseye

Stop using the ps3/360 comparison. The ps3 on paper may look like it had the lower specs but it also had one of the most advanced processors ever built. This is what made it complicated.

In case you have forgotten sony was initially not even gonna put a gpu in the ps3 because the cell would have handled everything. The situation now is completely different.

Both machines are very similar in terms of architecture but not in specs. The ps4 has better specs and will only get better over time. The xone has lower specs and will get better over time so basically no matter how much better the xone gets it will never be on par with the ps4.

Nocando3798d ago

Yeah, I made my choice with the X1, but Ps4 does have the edge. I have no issues admitting that. Would be nice if we could move on and have discussions about the games on X1 without the first post almost always being a troll though.

GTgamer3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

Okay Panello I'll play ball first of all except the fact that the PS4 is stronger don't try to spin this, then you say Ryse is the best looking game on Next Gen personally I say KZSF but I'm still playing ball but i wonder if he knows that Ryse is 900p and runs below 30fps :/ and its made by crytek we all know they make pretty games and for panello to says things like that it makes me think that he thinks that Ryse wouldn't be possible on PS4 but we all know thats not true.
Panello please stop your making worse it for yourself and that's the truth.

TheGreatAndPowerful3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

That dude is full of sh*t! What a despicable company.

“I think if you look at the title which we launch, which were multiplatform titles. The bulk of them were the same. I think there were 12 titles were released on both platforms [PS4 and Xbox One], leaving three, all of them had the same performance on both boxes. Everybody wants to focus on frame rate, there is Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there could be a lot of reasons why that could be true but we are just a [few] weeks in, we just shipped, it’s a long generation. People who bought an Xbox One are going to be in for an awesome generation of games that are only going to get better. I think these little things get way overblown versus like the quality of the games and the real differences in experiences which are pretty minor,” he said.

Kryptix3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

lol Albert Penello, this guy is full of contradictions and damage control.

He's right about one thing...it's only the beginning of the generation, things will only improve from here for 'both' consoles and if he only said that then fine, that's completely true but here's where his latest statement is just full of bullshit once again, keeping the fanboys in denial...

He said, quote on quote, "I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story," but fails to realize that many, many sacrifices were made to create that game. Not only is Ryse running at 900p native but also runs a bit lower than 30fps and is very linear and boxed in. With no variety of enemies which doesn't hurt performance as much as having different types in one area. Now look at the sacrifices Dead Rising 3 had to make to have dozens and dozens of zombies in one area. That game is running at 720p, 30fps with visuals that aren't really considered next gen. Doesn't seem like the Xbox One is making games on par with the PS4 without having sacrifices here and there.

And it's kinda funny he had to bring up Ryse to answer a question on why the PS4 is running multiplatform games better than the Xbox One. Why can't he just admit the PS4 has better hardware then he can tell everyone it's not about the power of the GPU but about the new experiences next gen can bring.

If Microsoft stuck with that then fine, that's their plan, to focus on gameplay first, but it's just ridiculous trying to keep talking up stuff that isn't true. If you had to reply to a growing pattern with something stating the opposite, then you're doing something wrong because the facts are starting to get clearer. Well, for the people that were born with with a pair of eyes. It seems like JokesOnYou has 2 glass eyes and something else wrong with that messed up logic.

morganfell3798d ago (Edited 3798d ago )

Penello's attempts are only making matters worse. Even Xbox supporters are tuning on him.

The Gaf thread was out of control and funny as hell: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

1OddWorld3798d ago

Mark Cerny said that the time to triangle was faster on PS4.

Man speaks nothing but facts.

1OddWorld3798d ago

@JokesOnYou - Your point that games will end up at some point 1080p and 60fps on the XB1 is a great point.

But, While XB1 is struggling to reach the standard 1080p 60fps. Sony is using its faster memory/more memory/faster GPU to create bigger better games. XB1 will never be able to reduce the 30+ percent power advantage that the PS4 has. No matter how good the coding and engines get.

PS4 will always be ahead of XB1 due to XB1 hardware limitations.

IceKoldKilla3798d ago

@BallsEye WTF are you drunk? The PS3 has better hardware on paper but it took too long to program or something like that. It was harder to access the power. But with time, devs got better at it but was still longer because of that Cell processor. Still Gran Turismo, God of War III, Uncharted 3 and more games showed that it was possible but of course 3rd party games were never gonna achieve that. The devs have a dealine and need it to work well on both consoles. No time to make it better on PS3 and no point either unless they were paid by Sony in which case they'd probably would have done it.

USA0073798d ago

@1OddWorld Although I agree with you the PS4 is more powerful, (not 30% in my opinion) and both have a long way to go with optimization. The X1 does have a lot of things that aren't optimized right now, that the PS4 doesn't have. The X1 has the esram and other fancy chips and such, that developers simply aren't using, or aren't using efficiently right now. It will take a while to get all these parts working efficiently, but I do think they have potential to help the X1's games. I still don't think the X1 will ever beat the PS4, but it will help.

@BallsEye You do know those tests that you linked are pretty pointless right? Those tests would have been designed for a normal computer, and the cell processor wouldn't have handled everything as efficiently as it could have. The PS3 and 360 have roughly the same specs in terms of performance. Some things the 360 has a slight edge on, and others the PS3 has a slight edge on, but they never have any large differences. It is difficult to compare the different architectures as tests like the one you posted simply don't work.

b777conehead3798d ago

I have ps4 and xone so that's the other choice. I get best of both worlds. they both have strength and weaknes. and I am very happy with both consoles.