Albert Penello Comments On Multiplatform Games Running At Lower Resolution/Frame Rate On Xbox One

"It's no secret that some of the major AAA multiplatform games have struggled to run in full HD [1080p] or better frame rates [60fps] on the Xbox One."

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Hopefully everything will settle down!

[cleft5]

The reality is that the PS4 has more power than the Xbox One and it is easier to access that power. It's not that the Xbox One isn't powerful, it's that it takes more time to get at that power.

If people are looking for the most powerful console than the choice is clear. If they want the exclusive games that Microsoft produce than they have to get the Xbox One. That does mean accepting that they are buying the less powerful console. It's not the end of the world, developers will get better at making games for the Xbox One, but the PS4 will always have the edge on 3rd party games unless developers go out of their way to limit their games to be on par.Those are the facts, it's not really debatable, the problem comes when people and developers try to pretend otherwise.

[raWfodog]

I believe that given enough time the developers would also be able to optimize the XB1 versions of their games to have them output at similar specs. But that seems to be the gist of the issue. The developers seem to suggest that they are on a strict deadline and the PS4 is easier to get to that level in that timeframe.

edit:spelling

[jaredhart]

Panello in Damage Control speak again.

[windblowsagain]

Your correct in some ways.

But XB1 will never compete for REZ and FPS with PS4.

It does not matter how much coding goes on. The GPU is too weak. Ram is not as fast.

But your correct in the fact that people can still buy xb1 exclusives.

[thekhurg]

I'm shocked he's still trying to hold on to his claim that Ryse is the best looking next-gen game.

[BallsEye]

I'm sure that as soon as devs will start making real next-gen games not just porting it from old consoles, xbox one will shine. Move engines, plenty of other dedicated chips and ESRAM can give huge advantage if used right, as many devs already said. PS3 had less powerfull parts on paper and complicated architecture, but later on it cought up and sometimes surpassed 360. It took time. Now XO is one with more complicated architecture, which needs to be tamed. Funny how suddenly fanboys change their tune from what was going on with ps3 - "devs are just lazy cause they don't wanna code for more complicated but new and advanced architecture of ps3! "- they said. Now all the fanboys in here favor only raw specs and simple off the shelf architecture.

Here are raw specs of ps3 and xbox 360

http://www.freewebs.com/bad...

So what say you?

[Why o why]

yeah BallsEye, because forza looked better than gt and all of ms's exclusives looked better than tlou and gow3 etc......lmao. ps exclusives outperformed ms's ones in many genres... Lets not try and rewrite history. It was more complicated but yielded better results in the right hands. Now the architectures are the same....only difference, which has already shown proof, is that RAW POWER......go cry somewhere else

[Biggest]

I wonder. If the differences between the PS4 and Xbone are so insignificant, what the hell are they doing selling the Xbone? The X360 is not very far off from the Xbone in performance so far. I know the guy works for Microsoft, but he really needs to learn when to walk away.

[creatchee]

Penello really needs to stop - every time he opens his mouth or types something, he gets jumped on repeatedly by the internet (most of those times, deservingly). His statements typically come off as "we have X, but I have no proof of this other than stuff that I don't understand or numbers that are misleading."

And this is coming from a Xbox supporter.

[redwin]

Lol, it's interesting. It's a fact that when you feel that when you have to justify yourself it's because you have the must doubt. Keep that in mind when you post, I'm very happy with both of my next gen consoles. I'm also very happy that Sony came to their sences and made their controller bigger like the MS' now it's a better experience. 30fps- 60fps I'll buy the one that will give me a better experience, do you think look at the fps when I buy an Indy game? I buy a game experience. PS, I can't wait unti Infamos and TitanFall comes out, I'm loving this gen.

[JokesOnYou]

quoting another comment:

"Ps4 version is ported by nixxes who ported the pc version. 45-60 fps with stuttering. Xbo version is ported by united front games at 30-40fps

Tomb raider:Moneygrabber edition.

60 bucks for a Hd port. Enjoy."

-Also cleft5 I agree ps4 is more powerful but not orders of magnitude more powerful as if its on par with the latest high end pc specs. In other words the ps4's ceiling this gen is still only going to be 1080p 60fps at best and so will X1, unless youre going to tell me ps4 games are going to have have higher res than that comparable pc then realisticly we arent talking about a huge future gap even though of course performance of both will get better. So the point is although ps4 might be easier to hit that benchmark X1 is more than capable but of course tools and time are a bigger factor in doing so. COD Ghost, BF4 all rushed for launch deadline which is even more obvious by all the problems post release. Tomb Raider again is a money grab trying to capatilize quickly on a port with different teams, yet there is nothing tere content wise to justify $60 re-release.

I mean any way you look at even though the X1 on paper isnt as powerful as ps4, the specs confirm its much more powerful than 360, so if 360 was doing 720p 30/60fps no problem, then X1 is certainly capable of 1080p 60fps for all but maybe the most demanding open world games, an optimized fps on a new engine or platformers, action games etc should and will be achievable but of course some would rather believe last gen ports, and early software indicate exactly what we will see all gen as if devs wont extract more performance in the future which btw I'd prefer game design was the priority vs dumbing down to ensure a game hits superficial benchmarks, as I said DR3 may be technically flawed but it's scale is also more ambitious.

[thejigisup]

@ballseye what makes the architecture of the xbo more complicated than the ps4? I see weaker specs but I don't see whats making this more complicated.

@rawfodog "I believe that given enough time the developers would also be able to optimize the XB1 versions of their games to have them output at similar specs" If developers are putting in the same amount of time and effort for optimization on both consoles there will still be a potential for a huge gap in quality of the game.

[ProjectVulcan]

"There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious"

This was the comment that started this debate.

Are we seeing a difference, where PS4 can perform 30+ percent better on the same games? Is it an obvious difference?

I don't see a way around this, it's a fact. It's all factual and Penello was wrong, and has to either apologise for being proven incorrect, or preferably- quieten down.

[johndoe11211]

@Ballseye

Stop using the ps3/360 comparison. The ps3 on paper may look like it had the lower specs but it also had one of the most advanced processors ever built. This is what made it complicated.

In case you have forgotten sony was initially not even gonna put a gpu in the ps3 because the cell would have handled everything. The situation now is completely different.

Both machines are very similar in terms of architecture but not in specs. The ps4 has better specs and will only get better over time. The xone has lower specs and will get better over time so basically no matter how much better the xone gets it will never be on par with the ps4.

[Nocando]

Yeah, I made my choice with the X1, but Ps4 does have the edge. I have no issues admitting that. Would be nice if we could move on and have discussions about the games on X1 without the first post almost always being a troll though.

[GTgamer]

Okay Panello I'll play ball first of all except the fact that the PS4 is stronger don't try to spin this, then you say Ryse is the best looking game on Next Gen personally I say KZSF but I'm still playing ball but i wonder if he knows that Ryse is 900p and runs below 30fps :/ and its made by crytek we all know they make pretty games and for panello to says things like that it makes me think that he thinks that Ryse wouldn't be possible on PS4 but we all know thats not true.
Panello please stop your making worse it for yourself and that's the truth.

[LexHazard79]

Bubble up

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

That dude is full of sh*t! What a despicable company.

“I think if you look at the title which we launch, which were multiplatform titles. The bulk of them were the same. I think there were 12 titles were released on both platforms [PS4 and Xbox One], leaving three, all of them had the same performance on both boxes. Everybody wants to focus on frame rate, there is Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there could be a lot of reasons why that could be true but we are just a [few] weeks in, we just shipped, it’s a long generation. People who bought an Xbox One are going to be in for an awesome generation of games that are only going to get better. I think these little things get way overblown versus like the quality of the games and the real differences in experiences which are pretty minor,” he said.

[Kryptix]

lol Albert Penello, this guy is full of contradictions and damage control.

He's right about one thing...it's only the beginning of the generation, things will only improve from here for 'both' consoles and if he only said that then fine, that's completely true but here's where his latest statement is just full of bullshit once again, keeping the fanboys in denial...

He said, quote on quote, "I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story," but fails to realize that many, many sacrifices were made to create that game. Not only is Ryse running at 900p native but also runs a bit lower than 30fps and is very linear and boxed in. With no variety of enemies which doesn't hurt performance as much as having different types in one area. Now look at the sacrifices Dead Rising 3 had to make to have dozens and dozens of zombies in one area. That game is running at 720p, 30fps with visuals that aren't really considered next gen. Doesn't seem like the Xbox One is making games on par with the PS4 without having sacrifices here and there.

And it's kinda funny he had to bring up Ryse to answer a question on why the PS4 is running multiplatform games better than the Xbox One. Why can't he just admit the PS4 has better hardware then he can tell everyone it's not about the power of the GPU but about the new experiences next gen can bring.

If Microsoft stuck with that then fine, that's their plan, to focus on gameplay first, but it's just ridiculous trying to keep talking up stuff that isn't true. If you had to reply to a growing pattern with something stating the opposite, then you're doing something wrong because the facts are starting to get clearer. Well, for the people that were born with with a pair of eyes. It seems like JokesOnYou has 2 glass eyes and something else wrong with that messed up logic.

[morganfell]

Penello's attempts are only making matters worse. Even Xbox supporters are tuning on him.

The Gaf thread was out of control and funny as hell: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[1OddWorld]

Mark Cerny said that the time to triangle was faster on PS4.

Man speaks nothing but facts.

[1OddWorld]

@JokesOnYou - Your point that games will end up at some point 1080p and 60fps on the XB1 is a great point.

But, While XB1 is struggling to reach the standard 1080p 60fps. Sony is using its faster memory/more memory/faster GPU to create bigger better games. XB1 will never be able to reduce the 30+ percent power advantage that the PS4 has. No matter how good the coding and engines get.

PS4 will always be ahead of XB1 due to XB1 hardware limitations.

[IceKoldKilla]

@BallsEye WTF are you drunk? The PS3 has better hardware on paper but it took too long to program or something like that. It was harder to access the power. But with time, devs got better at it but was still longer because of that Cell processor. Still Gran Turismo, God of War III, Uncharted 3 and more games showed that it was possible but of course 3rd party games were never gonna achieve that. The devs have a dealine and need it to work well on both consoles. No time to make it better on PS3 and no point either unless they were paid by Sony in which case they'd probably would have done it.

[USA007]

@1OddWorld Although I agree with you the PS4 is more powerful, (not 30% in my opinion) and both have a long way to go with optimization. The X1 does have a lot of things that aren't optimized right now, that the PS4 doesn't have. The X1 has the esram and other fancy chips and such, that developers simply aren't using, or aren't using efficiently right now. It will take a while to get all these parts working efficiently, but I do think they have potential to help the X1's games. I still don't think the X1 will ever beat the PS4, but it will help.

@BallsEye You do know those tests that you linked are pretty pointless right? Those tests would have been designed for a normal computer, and the cell processor wouldn't have handled everything as efficiently as it could have. The PS3 and 360 have roughly the same specs in terms of performance. Some things the 360 has a slight edge on, and others the PS3 has a slight edge on, but they never have any large differences. It is difficult to compare the different architectures as tests like the one you posted simply don't work.

[b777conehead]

I have ps4 and xone so that's the other choice. I get best of both worlds. they both have strength and weaknes. and I am very happy with both consoles.

[solidboss07]

@Balls 'n the eyes

That's funny.

[AndrewLB]

"If people are looking for the most powerful console than the choice is clear."

It sure is. It's to not purchase either console since both console designs were half-a$$ed and don't have the power to run ALL games at 1080p. Developers SHOULD be talking about how much freedom these consoles give them to be creative due to all the extra power they have to work with. Instead, Devs are clearly having problems with the lack of power on both consoles and how they're having to dumb down aspects of the game like shadowmaps, shaders, LOD, and over-blurring backgrounds to hide these things.

At the very MINIMUM, these consoles should have had the ability to match PC games from 2012 on Ultra settings @ 1080p. Sadly, they can't.

My brother for example has refrained from buying either Xbone or PS4 because first off, there are tons of great games he has yet to play on his PS3, and combined with the launch bugs on both consoles and the announcement of SteamBox, he's in no rush to buy.

edit\ actually his PS3 is now randomly freezing so he's going to give it to me to see if I can repair it and use it myself, and he's going to buy a replacement PS3. He's going to drop it off sunday.

[Kidmyst]

This will be interesting how 6 Months, a Year form now how it looks. If Devs figure out how to push more from Xb1 or if this will still be the case. MSFT can't keep falling back to a launch game, as games come out they are supposed to get better and better. I have not seen anything on Xb1 yet to get me to buy one that I can't play on my PC or PS4 so MSFT better live up to what they say and release some stunning games or I won't be joining the Xb1 camp anytime soon.

[British_Knight]

You may be correct, but I'm not 100% certain. If XB1 can stream live NFL games at 1080p and at 60fps, doesn't that mean that XB1 can run games in 1080p and at 60fps? Hell, NBA 2K14 runs at 1080p, 60fps on the XB1. However, the news does prove that it is easier to dev for the PS4 than the XB1 this time around. Also, Penello is right, Ryse Son of Rome is the best looking game on either console - for now.

[XB1_PS4]

This site is filled with gypsy future seers apparently. How do you guys know that in the future the XB1 won't compete with the Ps4 graphically? The PS3 started out very rocky, and they eventually took the race in the end graphically. I'm not saying the XB1 will do that, actually i'm certain it won't, but it may compete still.

Anyone know the PA lottery numbers?

[USA007]

@British_Knight Streaming is different than actually rendering something. The XB1 can stream something 1080p, but usually TV and the like are about 30fps not 60. Streaming is more dependent on bandwidth than actual computer power.

@XB1_PS4 Why do you call everyone gypsies when you make your own prediction? Contradictory? To answer your question about graphics, the ps4 has a more powerful GPU, which will be hard for the XB1 to overcome. As only driver updates and optimization will help improve the XB1, which the PS4 will also be getting.

[blitz0623]

"I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people."

"I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story"

Why bring up Ryse when asked about resolution and framerate?

PR at it's finest. Can't say he isn't doing his job well

[MysticStrummer]

lol @ "Period. End of story" after stating his personal opinion.

[raWfodog]

I like how he's still trying to state his opinion like its a fact, and not a matter of perspective.

[KillrateOmega]

Hey guys, didn't you know that facts = opinions nowadays? Didn't you get the memo?

[imt558]

Quote :

He thinks despite all the resolution and frame rate debates, Xbox One has the best looking game on any platform: Ryse: Son of Rome.

God damn, Penello! Please stop. You are the member of neoGAF site. Go tell this PR bullshit there. I wonder why you wont show up there.

But anyway, i miss this guy and his PR statement.

@BallsEye

I miss you too, especially your PR bullshit.

[BallsEye]

You even thinking? Talk was about graphics, he brought up Ryse because it IS graphically most advanced next-gen game. What's wrong with bringing up an amazing looking game into a talk about graphics?

[Gamingcapacity]

@Ballseye

Ryse had to sacrifice a lot to get it to look good. Why do you think it plays so bad???

[Kayant]

Why am I not surprised this is the same guy that made statements such as this --> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
and this --> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
and this --> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

He has yet to go back to gaf since the launch of those systems and where is that apology he promised to gaf seeing he was wrong about the FPS difference that could come up.

Well I will give that he did his job well during pre-launch.

@BallsEye
Where in the title does it talk about exclusives anyone could easily make the argument with KZ.

Oh i see you're another misterx believer what a surprise /s

News flash PS4 & XB1 have the same exact architecture the only difference that is the ram setup. This is not the same as X360 and PS3.

But anyways keep waiting for the second SoC to be activated later this year...

[zenezrail]

So Albert Penello knows more about what is going on behind the scenes, but was told "you don't need to know" when he asked about Call of Duty resolution?

http://n4g.com/news/1380466...

[GamingNerd013]

I know right I mean really this guy is just stupid and does a bad job at damage control with whatever he says. fine yeah we know it will get better over time X1 games. 2 things A there's a huge difference already with how powerful the PS4 is and that all 3rd party games have look and run better on PS4. 2 still about ryse having the best graphics really how about playing KZSF cause it's vastly better in everything to that shit game ryse. Really this Albert guy is a moron most of the time when he speaks he gives xbox a bad rep with what he says.

[SpinalRemains138]

"period."

Panello pulled a Palmiero and both men were full of it.

Everyone make a mental note. "Period", means full of crap.

[ShwankyShpanky]

"If it comes out after we launch that the difference between 3rd party games is maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms, will I get an apology or concession?"
-Albert Penello
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Penello is a punk. He hasn't had the stones to post on Gaf since 11/22.

[johndoe11211]

@MysticStrummer

That just shows his level of stupidity and arrogance, even for a pr person. That was uncalled for when you consider the topic they were discussing.

[Cyanide85]

@BallsEye.

As stated by others the X1 & PS4 has practically the same specs where the difference lyes is PS4 has a faster GPU which the X1 probably never can compensate for, and the PS4 has much better RAM when it comes to graphics.
The esram of the X1 is to small to ever compensate for the performance difference between the X1 & PS4.

The X1 is designed to do too many different things which imo will be its downfall, at least here in Europe where not many of these features even work so we're just stuck with a console that has less power and not many other features to make up for that.

[Gazondaily]

Yeah well Albert Panello's comments don't exactly reinforce confidence.

"Look, I had a lot of time to think about this and I believe in what I said....I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people."

Respectfully, Mr. Panello, the only information we have is the resolution and performance disparity in front of us. And ultimately, that is all that matters.

It doesn't matter what info you have, if you're not going to bother divulging it then why even make that statement? What purpose does that serve? I'm sorry but it just sounds like damage limitation and a very bad attempt at that.

Just come out and say it. You owe someone on NeoGaf an apology after all. I'm quite a patient guy (especially compared to some axe wielding guys on here lol) but I'm starting to lose patience with these self-serving statements.

[Mikelarry]

lol the same albert penello that could not give us the info about the COD resolution and his reply was that info is beyond his current pay grade, that penello..... nah he doesn't know much

[GribbleGrunger]

"Look, I had a lot of time to think about this and I believe in what I said....I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people."

That's very interesting because it is not what he said on Gaf. In fact he said the complete opposite. When asked about what resolution games were in he brushed it off by telling everyone 'I don't know, that's not my department'. I'm paraphrasing there but he definitely said that because it spurred about 20 pages of debate and accusations of lying.

He's talking about better framerates and resolution on the 'cheaper' PS4 as if they don't matter, and YET, last gen Major Nelson regularly pointed out that the 360 had better 'resolution' and 'framerates' than the PS3.

And not many titles were different? This won't end well.

PR at it's worse and once again MS have just opened themselves up for attack.

[GarrusVakarian]

Lol, Penello should just keep his mouth shut, contradicting himself like that....smh. He isn't doing MS's already tainted image any favours.

Saying he doesn't have access to that kind of information one moment, then saying he knows what's going on behind the scenes and knows more than most.....then comparing exclusives to multiplats.....smh.

[GribbleGrunger]

They just need to shut up. If the differences between 720p/1080p and 30fps/60fps are 'minor' then what the hell is the point of buying a next gen console? I know there's a lot of other graphical effects that require better hardware, but this is Tombraider, a last gen game with a current gen lick of paint. If it's struggling to run this game then how is it going to compete with the PS4 when games are actually created using next gen assets and tech?

[GarrusVakarian]

^^^ to that entire comment.

Ex...act...ly.

[GribbleGrunger]

Here's one of his many wonderful quotes:

"Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?"

Yep, he said that ...

http://img.pandawhale.com/p...

[MightyNoX]

Best part of this ordeal is that a Sony insider on NeoGaf confirmed that there's a lot of eyerolling at Microsoft's b.s.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[EXVirtual]

Exactly. He's just embarrassing himself.

The PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Yes, the XBO will get better due to devs being more efficient with the hardware and driver updates, but so will the PS4. The gap will widen between the two.
If it really isn't that big of a deal to you, why are you damage controlling?
Lol, the Ryse card. If Titanfall is actually 720p, I can't wait to see what he says.

[pyramidshead]

Maybe Penello knows about that Stacked SOC they've been hiding, bahahahahaaha!

[Shinox]

Lol , Don't you guys get what he is trying to do to market his system ?

He is talking to the ignorant people / his blind sheeples who don't know the difference between the two consoles , he literally gives 0% fxxks about GAF or any gaming community that criticize what he says , He is just desperately marketing his system with lies xD

[MestreRothN4G]

Sure, specially if you think the generation is only beginning.

I'm a Playstation fan from long date, as lots of people around here. Yet, we have to think about the last gen.

Most games ran better and more beautifully on X360. I know some people deny this, but who owned both (my case) can clearly see the differences specially on the performance side.

Well... Even with X360 running the games better, which was your platform of choice? Which had the best games and value? Which was majorly considered the best console in the end?

I prefer the PS4 for a million reasons, but it doesn't mean that, in a few years, XB1 can't have the best games.

PS: inb4 "PS3 was more powerful", that ultra fast X360 RAM made quite a difference, as well as unified memory and the more programming-friendly architecture. So, despite the power being bigger or smaller, what matters is that X360 (as PS4 now) ran the games better.

[ssj27]

This is different situation..
Last gen PS3 was more powerful but hard to develop for, those who put time into it end up nakibg their game look and play better.

This time the PS4 is more powerful and it has a easy development technique and that is why multiplatform games look abd perform better on the PS4.

If you choose a xbone is because you like the company more but Don't deny facts.

[MestreRothN4G]

The point is that Microsoft still can bring different approaches that turn the tides on their favor, as Sony did in the past. A bunch of high quality exclusives, for instance, which is what Sony used (plus PS+) to overcome the odds.

[LeCreuset]

@MestreRothN4G

What Sony used to overcome the odds? I think there's a lack of understanding of just how heavily the odds are in Sony's favor. Think about it. The PS3 was a bad gen for Sony, comparing it to other gens. So far in this "bad gen" they've outsold 360, despite launching a year later, and may just outsell the Wii.

[iceman06]

You are right...the situation is actually JUST like last gen, but in reverse. The reason why games, and they were multiplatform games, didn't perform as well on PS3 had a lot to do with the fact that it required more time and resources to pull out the same performance as the XBox 360. Now, Xbox One is the console that is taking more time and resources to deliver...and it's not yet delivering. Over time, drivers will update and techniques will be discovered to make BOTH consoles easier to develop for. This COULD be the issue. If we believe that PS4 has a lead now, then that lead will remain (at least with multiplats) because the techniques will be applied to BOTH systems.
I'm not all for the console war stuff. But, this just makes sense. Both consoles will have games. Both consoles will have some great games that are exclusives. It just seems like one will have the easier time in development.

[MightyNoX]

@Jaredhart - Can't blame him, though. He's seen how easily fooled some people are so logically, can we really hold it against him if he keeps hoodwinking them over and over?

[johndoe11211]

What did we expect him to say??

[assdan]

Every game on the ps4 looks better or the same as it's xbox one counter part. The only games that look the same are sports games. Penello also failed to mention that the ps4 isn't only getting higher framerates, and resolutions. The details in almost everything I've seen are noticeably higher (AA, textures, etc). On top of that, Ryse being "the best looking console game" comes with tons of caveats. Lower res, next to no AI, and essentially no gameplay (based on what reviewers have been saying).

[MRMagoo123]

Give Ryse a go lol, the game gets boring within minutes, they tried to compare it to God of war 3 but the thing with that is GOW3 had variety , Ryse has nothing going for it, they even had to dumb everything down to make it look nearly as good as KZsf.

[PSVita]

Why don't they just use the cloud and make it 4 time as powerful.....

Oh yeah cause it's BS just like this and their entire PR team.

[Mikelarry]

right!!!! albert compare a first party title to a multiplatform game, in that case ryse will only hold that title until the order and ND next game comes out

[Bennibop]

I think maybe until infamous comes out! And personally believe killzone is better looking.

[Back-to-Back]

A wild Albert Spinello appears.
He uses deception.
.....Its not very effective.

[PSVita]

Lmao

[johndoe11211]

Correction, Ryse never had that title, killzone does.

[snookiegamer]

Why does this remind me of all the news stories of yesteryear when PS3 was young and it's games were scrutinised when compared to Xbox 360 multiplats.

Seems like a complete role reversal....who'd have expected that??

@MELMAN26

Xbox One is a capable machine and you're absolutely right, the Xbox One does do more than PS4...but not if were discussing games.

[xHeavYx]

So, if the difference is barely notable (as Penello wishes it was), wouldn't it make sense to get the better version and save $100?

[-Foxtrot]

I think thats the point Microsoft keep missing

It's not just us going "Oh but this game has a better frame rate or runs at full 1080p" the fact is the cheapest console out of the two can do this and you can save yourself £100/$100 in the long run.

How can you have faith in a more expensive console which can't even achieve something like that at the start of this gen

If console costs more then it should be able to do more, like how the PS3 was more expensive but was also a blu ray player....which at the time in 2006 they were really expensive.

[CYCLEGAMER]

I understand your comment but with all due respect, the xb1 does "do more" than the ps4.

Edit: For those who disagree, correct me if I am so wrong. Factually speaking, the xb1 simply does do more, has more features, and comes with more hardware.

[cyguration]

@MELMAN26

No, NO it does not.

Can you manage your hard drive space on the XB1 like you can on the PS4? NO!

Can you modify system settings and control schemes on the XB1 like the PS4? NO!

Can you hook up any bluetooth device to the XB1 like you can the PS4? NO!

Can you run most multi-plats at 1080p at 60fps on the XB1 like the PS4? NO!

Can the XB1 boot up as fast as the PS4? NO!
(proof: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Can you stream on Twitch right at this very moment on the XB1? NO!

Can you play F2P MMO titles without Xbox Live? NO!

Can you watch TV on your TV without a traditional cable box (a lot of people are provided with digital cable converters these days)? NO!

So then what can the Xbox One do that the PS4 can't? What "more" does it have? It's slower, it's weaker and it's more expensive.

If you say the voice commands, that's useless for anyone who doesn't care about that stuff. As a game console, what "more" can it do?

[Soldierone]

@Melman

What does it do? It has a few great exclusives in the pipe thats for sure, but when it comes to features I fail to see what it offers beyond the PS4?

All the kinect controls can be accomplished on the PS4. Voice control and face recognition for example. A lot of people don't realize it because they haven't purchased a camera yet.

The only thing the PS4 doesn't do is work as a cable box, and I hardly ever watch TV so that doesnt matter much to me.

I personally think MS needs to stop wasting money on timed crap and develop something that is "wow" for the Xbox.

[xHeavYx]

@cyguration

PS4 can do voice commands, even without a $100 camera, but like I say time and time again, why spend $500 on a console to watch TV? Especially when the voice commands on the One aren't even that accurate, I'd rather pick my controller.

For the people who say that you can play a game, while listening to music, while watching tv, while on Skype... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[dumahim]

@cyguration

"Can you hook up any bluetooth device to the XB1 like you can the PS4? NO!"
PS4 does not support all bluetooth devices yet. That's supposed to come in an update. Want to use your PS3 headset? No go.

"Can the XB1 boot up as fast as the PS4? NO!"
I didn't watch the 10+ minute video, so I assume they're talking about a cold boot-up. Starting up both from Standby mode (which most people are going to be using) the XBox One is much faster. I can press the button the the Xbox controller and grab the remote for the TV to switch inputs and by the time I get that done, it's already up and running. The PS4 still starts up quickly, but nowhere near as quick.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@cyguration

No, NO it does not. YES, YES IT DOES

Can you manage your hard drive space on the XB1 like you can on the PS4? NO! *WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I CAN GO IN AND DELETE GAMES OR APPS THAT ARE TAKING UP SPACE*

Can you modify system settings and control schemes on the XB1 like the PS4? NO! *ACTUALLY YOU CAN MODIFY CERTAIN SETTINGS PROBABLY NOT AS IN DEPT AS THE PS4, IT WAS THE SAME SITUATION LAST GEN*

Can you hook up any bluetooth device to the XB1 like you can the PS4? NO! *NOPE, AT THE MOMENT THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE ON THE PS4 EITHER, BUT YOU CAN SYNC UP YOUR PHONE, ON BOTH CONSOLES*

Can you run most multi-plats at 1080p at 60fps on the XB1 like the PS4? NO! *NOT MOST BUT THERE ARE A FEW 1080P 60FPS GAMES ON THE XB1 SO IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE*

Can the XB1 boot up as fast as the PS4? NO! *NO BUT FROM STANDBY MODE YOU IT BOOTS FASTER IT IT ALSO LOADS GAMES FASTER, AND IS RUNNING 3 OPERATING SYSTEMS AS OPPOSED TO THE PS4'S ONE OPERATING SYSTEM*

Can you stream on Twitch right at this very moment on the XB1? NO! *NOT AT THE MOMMENT*

Can you play F2P MMO titles without Xbox Live? NO!

Can you watch TV on your TV without a traditional cable box (a lot of people are provided with digital cable converters these days)? NO! *CAN THE PS4 DO THIS??

So then what can the Xbox One do that the PS4 can't? What "more" does it have?

LOL...most of the things you mentioned are very minuscule to help you try and prove a point, for example "Can you modify system settings and control schemes on the XB1 like the PS4?" That like me saying, can you change the color of your ps4's dashboard.

Lets talk about actual features like being able to run multiple systems at the SAME TIME! Can the ps4 play killzone 3 and run you ps3 in the background? can the ps4 have a football game running while playing Infamous?? NO!

Will the ps4 EVER be able do Skype calls in 1080p with a camera that automatically adjust to what and how many people are on screen and zoom in on who is talking??? NOPE

Can you INSTANTLY switch between apps and games with the sound of your voice on ps4?? NOPE

Can your ps4 control your ENTIRE entertainment center (home theater, tv, etc) Nope

Does the voice commands on the ps4 actually work well? NOPE

Is the ps4 capable on monitoring your heart rate?

Can its camera see in the dark?

Does its camera have an IR blaster?

Does it come with a camera? (the reason it cost more)

The thing simply has more features, the ps4 has better specs....simple as that.

[xHeavYx]

Wow, Melman, take off your blinds before you keep making those ridiculous statements.
Skype is owned by MS yet you have to have Gold to use it, you can use for free even on the PS VITA.
Like I said before, all those "marvelous" things you can do with Kinect (when it works, which it doesn't most of the time) can be done with a remote controller + my thumb, saving me $100.
But hey, if you are happy with your TV camera and less powerful console, good for you. I'm a gamer and I'd rather go with the console that focuses mainly on gaming

[CYCLEGAMER]

@Heavy
Notice I said in 1080p and it adjust to how many people are on the screen accordingly.

I have been gaming since the 80's and I will say that a lot of the features on the xb1 are things that I have always dreamed of as a child, some of you younger guys where kind of born into this type of tech so it is expected and or you are not impressed by it.

I owned a ps4 and I doubt that any of you in this discussion actually own an xbox one so I wouldn't expect you to understand what it is like to use the system in your home on a daily basis. The ps4 is cool but it only feels like an upgrade of the ps3. The xb1 actually feels more like something entirely new, and on top of that, it has MORE NEXT GEN GAMES for me to enjoy right now.

And its funny you bring up the vita being able to use skype but the ps4 doesn't.

A true gamer plays the games not the companies, do you own an xbox one?

[JeffGUNZ]

@ Heavy

What are you talking about, you clearly don't own an xbox or have used the X1. Kinect doesn't work most of the time, what? The thing works 99% when I am just at my apartment with me and my girl, 95% when the room has a lot of people in it. Stop reading flaimbait articles MariaFuture_whatever the rest of the name is that it posts and actually put some real hands on. The X1 does so many more things then the PS4, simple as that. Sure, you might not want those features and only want a PS4 which is perfectly fine. Yet, to sit here and think the PS4's garbage camera matches up with kinect is laughable. You were probably here when MOVE was just launched saying it was far superior, weren't you?!

[-Foxtrot]

"has come out in the defense of the Xbox One’s"

Kind of his job....no

[Convas]

Albert.

Wut ru doing?

Albert.

STAHP!

Please stop this, you only do more damage when you speak. Just focus on getting us unique experiences and moar games on Xbox One and those of us who own/will own Xbones will be happy.

[godfree]

Remember to give us credit. Thanks. http://www.gamertagradio.co...

[Gazondaily]

Welldone lads :)

[Godz Kastro]

I agree... Love my X1!!! Super Excited for its future.

[cyguration]

So you bought into a promise for $500?

You could have gotten a PC and got everything you needed for that price.

[JeffGUNZ]

Nope. Where did he say that? I bet he bought it because he enjoyed his 360, loves the great launch games and awesome features it has. He simply said he is excited for its future. Are you not excited for the future of anything you own? The X1 will improve more and more and new features will be added throughout the next 10 years. How could one not be excited for it to get better and better? Enough with the PC, if console gamers wanted to be PC gamers they would have gotten a PC. Believe it or not some people don't care much for PC gaming.

[T3mpr1x]

"PC Master Race" is both untrue and tired.

[BX81]

@ Godz. Hells yeah, me too. We have Destiny, halo, elder scrolls, Titan fall and many other games to look towards in the near future. Ryse and DR3 was a good start for this gen.

[razrye]

Every system has elder scrolls and destiny to look forward to.

[BX81]

I'm aware of that but if I only own a Xbox one right now I still have these games to look forward to.

[cell989]

The fact remains, the PS4 is more powerful, anyway he tries to spin it won't matter. Games look better on PS4. Sorry xbox guys but you paid more money for an inferior console. Forget the OS, kinect or whatever, hard specs dictate the better console.

[True_Samurai]

Nawl it really doesn't. That's all the ps4 has is power? What about the games? Why is the inferior showing out more impressive games than the stronger console? IDC how powerful a console is if it's not showing me something that I might be interested in than what can it do for me?

[GTgamer]

What are you talking about :/.

[cell989]

you really want to talk about games when its a fact that Playstation dominates with exclusives. One only needs to looks at the PS3 catalog to make point. Dont play with the exclusive card cause thats actually Microsoft's weakness. Buying your way through exclusive content on multiplat games does not count. Original IPs and variety is PS strongest drive in the gaming console, dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[Rivitur]

"What can It do for me" How about play multiplats better that the Xbone and you can't tell me you won't be interested in multiplats.

[joeorc]

"Everybody wants to focus on frame rate, there is the Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there could be a lot of reasons why that could be true but we are just a [few] weeks in, we just shipped, it’s a long generation. People who bought an Xbox One are going to be in for an awesome generation of games that are only going to get better. I think these little things get way overblown versus like the quality of the games and the real differences in experiences which are pretty minor,” he said."

Oh' i remember last generation Albert when certain things for the Quote cheaper console being able to outdo the more expensive one, a strong point in buying a certain system over the other.

As a matter of fact certain member's of the PR team kept driving in that very idea.

[rafaman]

Its nice to see that he at least answers to criticisms. Also, he is right about Ryse, for a lot of magazines already said it is the best looking game so far. It is a good point, indeed.

[cyguration]

It's a matter of opinion though.

900p at 30fps looks good for some people, where-as 1080p at 60fps looks better for most people.

[4logpc]

Just because a game is in 1080p at 60 frames doesnt mean it automatically looks better.

Peggle 2 runs at 1080p and 60 fps. Does that mean it looks better than ryse?

[jetlian]

haven't seen anybody praise knack for being 1080p or unlocked fps. his point still stands its considered the best looking game right now no matter the resolution or frame rate!

[starchild]

Yes, it's a matter of opinion, all of this is a matter of opinion.

If you want to play the objectively best versions of games get a gaming PC.

But as far as which games are more fun or which games look better, well, that gets into highly subjective territory.

I can't stand the bias of people who act like "well the PS4 is objectively more powerful than the XB1 so you have to get a PS4 or you're an idiot".

But somehow they don't apply that same reasoning to the superiority of the PC. Suddenly then it's all about "deh games". As if the PC didn't have plenty of its own unique games. Don't these morons realize that in the same way they dismiss PC exclusives and prefer PS4 exclusives other gamers can just as rightly prefer games on the Wii U or XB1?

The console market has never been about getting the best visuals. Most console gamers don't seem to place a high premium on graphical fidelity. Very rarely, if ever, has the most powerful console outsold the weaker consoles. Last generation the Wii far outsold the PS3 and 360. Before that the PS2 outsold it's more powerful rivals, the Xbox and GameCube. It's mostly about the games that are available on each platform. If the XB1 brings more games that a wider range of people want to play it will win. Same goes for the Wii U and PS4.

[GamingNerd013]

No it's not yo try playing killzone SF and see 4 ur self I played ryse over my friends house and yes it looks great but no where amazing as KZSF on my PS4. Plus this Albert guy hes a moron that lyes and doesn't do a good job at damage control and gives xbox a bad rep with stupid things he says.

[JeffGUNZ]

Funny, I played KZ at my brothers apartment and thought it was beautiful, but thought Ryse was better. Funny, I can do that too! It's call an opinion.

[LeCreuset]

@JeffGUNZ

"Funny, I can do that too! It's call an opinion."

That's what makes what Penello said so disingenuous. When confronted with hard numbers and facts, he threw out a subjective opinion.

[GamingNerd013]

U need to get ur eyes fixed then no offense yo.

[rafaman]

I´d rather believe on IGN and GAMESRADAR than you, mate. Sorry

"Whether you're storming the beaches of Britannia or exploring Rome itself, you'll be stunned by how much better Ryse looks than anything else you've ever played."

http://www.gamesradar.com/r...

"Ryse might just be the best looking game we've ever seen on a console. Developer Crytek has a long history of creating stunning looking titles in the Crysis series, but this really looks a cut above what we've witnessed elsewhere. Lighting reflects off armour beautifully, fire effects are a joy to behold while the art style is simply lovely. If this is what the next-generation is capable of, we're more than happy with the results.

Players will be taking charge of Marius Titus, a Roman general and all round badass warrior. Ryse

- See more at: http://www.arabicgamers.com...

"Most of you will agree with me if i say Ryse: Son of Rome is the "Best Looking Next-Gen Game" on either consoles."

http://www.gamepur.com/revi...

Just check this IGN video on Youtube and they will say it is the best . ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Sokol]

Typical PR control. They should focus on the games for the console and giving the gamers their money worth.

As it stands right now, every single one of my co-workers and close friends are looking for the PS4..and they already own Xbox One.

What will happen a year from now when we see major third party games arrive and we see even more difference between the two consoles. Not to mention exclusive titles.

You can try and justify the purchase to the ends of days however once the gamers experience and try the PS4 game version they will make up their own decision.

It's only been few weeks and every thirds party title performs better on the PS4. There is a reason for that and it's not time period.

[N2NOther]

Sony sold 80 million PS3s after spending at least half the generation with multiplat games that performed better on 360 (Skryim, The Orange Box, Oblivion, Bioshock to name but a few).

I have both PS3 and 360 and I played nearly all of my multiplatform games on the 360 (Skryim being one of the exceptions, oddly enough). I went with PS4 first this time for a lot of reasons (mostly because they killed it at E3).

I am saying this because I honestly don't think it's going to make that much of a difference overall.

Both consoles will sell really well.

[gamer2013]

If you think that gamers are going to just jump at a system just because of a small difference in power you're not being very smart. Even after developers have had ample enough time with both systems the differences will be marginal. Gamers will jump at the system with the best games - period! I believe that MS and Sony will be trading places this gen and the days of "Xbox has no games" are over. MS realized how important system exclusives are and have invested 1 billion into games development for the X1 so we shall see.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

For the love of..

[ZeroX9876]

If I remember correctly, dead rising 3 was supposed to be a 360 title first, then it was announced for the X1 instead? same for Ryse too.

maybe rushing from one hardware to the other didn't pay off that much performance wise.

[MasterCornholio]

Oh no Panello is at it again.

ROFL

[pyramidshead]

Tonne of apologists in this thread is it genuinely hilarious. The Penello Koolaid 6packs must be flying off the shelves as fast as the PS4 :p

[brew]

Albert Penello (and Xboners) think that if they just ignore Killzone Shadow Fall .... means it doesn't exist. Ryse all the way baby ! Woot !

[cyhm3112]

not only xbone is a lot weaker in specs, the shit things is xbone is going to get weaker support from developers as well, there are quite a number of games announced that will not be released on xbone including many many interesting Japanese PS4 titles.

[maniacmayhem]

All I can say is remember the last time everyone jumped up and down about framerate and resolution when games like BF4 and CoD released...

Yea those games turned out to be train wrecks.

But Albert needs to stop talking on a subject that's clearly not in his favor. I wonder if this lower framerate info got to MS before the press? Couldn't MS had stepped in with the development and told Square these "secrets" or optimization techniques to be on par with the PS4 if it's that big of a deal?

Nothing in the specs of the Xbox One suggest it can't do 1080p and 60fps for games. So there has to be some architecture blocks as stated by devs that is preventing them from making decent quick ports. MS should send out some kind of technical manuscript or some direct line set up for AAA devs to overcome these problems.

[madjedi]

Clearly doesn't visit neogaf, anyone who has been reading the threads about the nextgen systems prior to launch are not suprised by the xbone suffering in multiplat performance.

The information is easily obtained it just requires effort.

[maniacmayhem]

Oh, and please enlighten me why because I have seen the specs and they are no different from a PC.

[madjedi]

Again visiting neogaf would be more through, but okay fine the xbox one's gpu isn't up to snuff for a 1080p gaming machine.

Let me rephrase that without making alot of comprises to the graphics\effects the game will have. The ps4 only just hits the number of requires cu's to satisfy 1080p gaming, from what i have read.

Modern rendering techniques require alot more memory for the frame buffer than the 32 megs of edram will provide. Kz shadowfall was using 150ish megs for it's frame buffer, there is a reason dedicated graphics card only use gddr5.

This is purely hardware related issue, better tool chains ect will help but only so much. Sony dedicated more silicon on their chip to the graphics, whereas ms had to dedicate less to the graphics and alot more to the edram.

This is from reading many different threads with many posters that are a hell of alot more knowledge than myself on the subject matter.

Read the gamasutra article with mark cerny explain why they designed the ps4 the way they did.

Not every post on n4g is just ha ha sucks to be you xbots, although i was thinking it to a degree with your history, i won't lie

You will find some very smart people on neogaf or sonygaf for mistermedia x\tim dog fans.

Tldr sony had gaming as it's first priority, ms had features and kinect as it's first priority with gaming a secondary.

[psDrake]

Consumers/Gamers who follow sites like this do not make up even a very small portion of the target consumer market. Yeah, we will read stuff like this and probably be affected when it comes to buying a game but again we are like a single drop in ocean.

I am not saying hard-core/knowledgeable gamers/consumers can't make an affect in sales but the affect will be pretty small when compared with the rest of the consumers/gamers.

The average consumer will go buy games regardless of reviews or anything else. There is a reason COD Ghosts has sold about 10m so far.

If I tell my buddy, hey your Xbox One will run Tomb Raider at 30fps and my ps4 will run it at 60fps. He'll probably ask what is fps ?. If we go deep with hardware specs, 1080p vs 720 p etc... the average consumer will be lost in those type of conversations..

All I am saying is the hardware difference between Xbox one and ps4 won't matter when considering the whole market. At the end of the day, Xbox one is selling as good as ps4 and will continue to sell.

There'd be no difference if Xbox one had 2x more raw power than ps4...

[christocolus]

Lol. You are right.just before launch i had to educate my friends on the whole 1080p, 720p, 30fps and 60fps but they just didnt care about it.while some made their choice based on brand loyalty, others just went with what majority of their friends were going for.Those who wanted a ps4 went for it and those who wanted the xbox one went for it. You could play the xbx one and ps4 versions of cod ghost side by side and they wouldnt see any difference cos to them its just the same game.

[DEEBO]

Man look i have both systems and i own killzone and i played ryse they both look great! but killzone looks good mp&sp ryse mp looks like a 360 game.
I bet people any mount of money if ryse was on the ps4 and the xbox one it would perform better on the ps4.
They are both great console's with cool features but the ps4 is the stronger console this a fact not opinion.
MS just neer to focus on their own ip's and stop trying to spin the truth.
come mar i will be playing infamous and titanfall and that is what i care about not how much some rich company makes a year,they haven't given me shit.

[Morgue]

Gonna go on a limb here and mention something that has been said a million times on here and in articles.

Sony went to the developers to build this console as a gaming machine with media aspects. Microsoft on the other hand built a console around DRM, multimedia, games and then had to change everything so the difference is going to be night and day in some games unfortunately.

[lonewolfjedi]

So know that the truth is out I wonder what are major Nelson's comments are now

[christocolus]

Albert albert i dont know about others but i think he is a great guy.res and fps issues aside, i believe each console will bring its own unique experiences but right now im still having a blast playing the xbx one launch titles and im hoping to hear more on the upcoming games.

[GraveLord]

You're embarrassing yourself Albert. Just shut up already. Sometimes silence is best, this is one of those times.

[Sarobi]

"I believe that the differences between the boxes [PS4 and Xbox One] is not all that great"

Understandable I suppose. But when the cheaper system is running games better, doesn't it make the expensive console look silly?. At 499 your console should AT LEAST handle games exactly the same as the 399 box.

[_LarZen_]

Yes Ryse looks stunning on the XBO. But it would look even more stunning on the PS4. Albert Penello is just clever at avoiding to answer.

Because Microsoft will never say that the XBO is weaker then the PS4. They will never talk bad about their own product. But at the same time they cant lie as it will just backfire so bad.

So Penello and others will just continue to avoid directly answering questions like that and angle it like in this article. I understand it and it's just smart business.

But we all know now that the XBO is weaker then the PS4 and the games them self will and is showing this already from day one.

And I know I most likely will get disagrees for writing this but it's just the cold hard truth.

[RAGE91]

I think he's right in saying that things will get better in the long run but that's without saying that the PS4 will also get better....

[KingDadXVI]

Even if the rumor is true and Tomb Raider runs 1080p at 30 fps that should be great news for Xbox One owners. In a matter of a couple of months they have already been able to optimize from being able to only have 720p to 1080p. Give it another few months and these issues won't even be on the radar.

It is a new system and a more difficult architecture to program and optimize for than the PS4. Yes the PS4 is more powerful but both consoles have enough under the hood that once the drivers, API, and UIs have been optimized and the developers have learned to code efficiently for the consoles these resolution issues and frame rate issues will go away.

Be happy this is good news for both camps.

[Sokol]

I agree with you however what will happen two-three years down the road when more demanding graphics will be used.

The demand and optimization will go up higher as well. More powerful hardware, in this case, the PS4 will have an easier time achieving 1080p & 60FPS.

[Hicken]

Since when does "confirmed by developers" mean "rumor?"

[mmj]

Nothing has really changed...

720P/60fps and 1080P/30fps are probably very similar in their hardware requirements. The point is Xbone can't do 1080P/60fps with 'next gen' graphics, sacrifices will have to be made.

[starchild]

Why are you guys trying to make the XB1 owners feel bad? And why are you acting like the PS4 is some miracle 1080p/60fps box? It's not.

60fps is the exception on the PS4, not the rule.

Most demanding next gen games are, and will likely continue to be, 30fps on the PS4.

Here is a list of just a few of the games on the PS4 that are below 60fps:

AC4
Knack
KZSF
Thief
Drive Club
Infamous Second Son
Need for Speed Rivals
EA Sports UFC
Destiny
Watch Dogs
The Witcher 3

Games like Battlefield 4 are more of the exception. And even then, the resolution is 900p, not 1080p.

So how many fully next gen, graphically demanding games on PS4 are 1080p AND 60fps. The answer is, very few.

[mmj]

I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad just inform people (who may not have purchased yet) of the facts, rather than the spin that Microsoft and ignorant fanboys are spouting.

Anyone who spends £350-£430 on a console should do the research themselves but many don't and just listen to what they hear.

Even if some PS4 games are 900P or less than 60fps it's still better than the equivalent 720P or 30fps on Xbone. Xbone games will always run with lower graphics (unless it's a relatively simple game graphically), there is no getting around it because of the less powerful GPU Microsoft have fitted.

Expecting Xbone to match PS4 performance in graphically demanding games is like buying a Mini Cooper and expecting a garage to tune it up to be as fast as a Bugatti Veyron.

[cyclindk]

Its what those differences in thise couple of titles imply that counts, but pretty standard PR here. If PS4 leads on these games... It is t really a question then on future and exclusive titles.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Penello B$.

. I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform(but it would be 1080p, and better effects on Ps4) Period. End of story,

Don't worry, he has "secret information",. http://misterxmedia.livejou...

[jmc8888]

That is hilarious. (the link)

-They held back their launch games to fool Sony (see below full paragraph)
-The GPGPU is going to trounce the PS4...which also has GPGPU
-Calling the PS4 the PS3.5
-"Sony wants us to believe they will use 4 GPGPU CUs and that will save PS3.5 and will top Xbox One. In 2016." ....nope sorry it tops the XB1 right now, didn't need 2016, it happened in 2013.

Here I just have to quote this paragraph. It's simply too good.
"
With the bit of information you have received thus far i can confirm that our gpu chip is indeed a "stacked" chip. As you all know by now the reason why we allowed some launch games to be released at sub 1080p resolution is definitely not because the Xbox One is a underpowered machine but because we must play our cards this way in order to not reveal how much more powerful our graphics solution in the Xbox One console is over the much weaker PS4 counterpart. Yes i understand it may seem unreasonable to allow developers only access to a certain portion of the GPU in Xbox One at this point but the main reason why many Xbox One games so far are not true 1080p HD games is that later down the road we want to catch Sony with their pants down right when they believe they have this generation won. At this point we will reveal the full tools and middleware to our developers so that will finally have full access to the much more powerful Xbox One hardware that literally is an entire generation ahead of whats under the hood of PS4.
"

Denial is a river flowing through Misterx's residence and the rest of the mistercteam.

[jmc8888]

More lies and idiocy from Penello. What a surprise.

Before the launch, morons around the web gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Now as many are starting to see, you can't defend him or the gaming sites that wrote articles obfuscating the truth between the consoles. Because this was all known long before launch. Some pretended not to know and looked the other way. Some believed the lies. Some simply didn't have the curiosity to find out.

That ESRAM is a killer. Not to mention the lower specs overall, and Kinect/Snap OS overhead.

$100 more for so much less gaming, it's insane.

The same games on both systems, and some have better graphics, along with a higher resolution, and yet still pump out more frames per second then the XB1 version. Each game is different but one or all of these happen in every game, unless the dev went lazy or it simply isn't a demanding game.

These aren't small differences, they are very large ones. If more frames, higher resolution, and better graphics don't matter, then why even buy their new system? We've already seen games where it seems like the XB1 graphically is merely the midpoint between the 360 and PS4. That's just sad. We've had games which have 360p in graphical difference. This would be like saying a game last generation ran at 720p on one console and 360p on another.

Humans have been fooling themselves for a very, very long time. Penello is clinically insane or is as dumb as a doorknob if he thinks many are going to buy his lies.

This doesn't mean someone can't legitimately like and enjoy the XB1. Some people can. But to pretend these differences don't exist and that he somehow has super secret pinkie swear info that most don't have that changes everything is quite psychopathic.

It's amazing that some people can't grasp it. One product is superior at gaming. One is inferior. It's not even close. Personal judgments need not apply as nothing about it is subjective.

He should focus on the strengths of the console for which some people enjoy it and prefer it. I.E. It's first party games. That's the only place for him to stand on the entire generation and not look like a complete fool.

The more people he fools, the worse the Xbox brand will look. Seriously Microsoft, it's not worth ruining your brand by treating the one like Baghdad Bob. Quit going all Baghdad Penello. Fool them now, and they won't buy the XB2.

[Metfanant]

for the record...i dont believe the ESRAM is the problem...the real problem was that during the design process they were set on 8GB of RAM...at the time the only was to guarantee that they could secure the needed hardware they went with DDR3....

the ESRAM is a bandaid solution to try and make up for the slow bandwidth of the DDR3

Sony was OK with the idea of 4GB of RAM, and therefore went with GDDR5, and got "lucky" and was able to secure the proper size chips to move to 8GB...

[notyobizhwispndmymny]

Do you have a PS4?

[Gamer666]

I played Call of Duty Ghosts on X1 and PS4...

The games played and seemed exactly the same on both platforms.

When you are 10-15 feet away from a 60 inch TV, the differences are zero.

[cbuc1125]

@Gamer666....got news for u bro....10-15 feet is too far....optimium viewing distance from that size tv is no more than 7 feet. You simply werent close enough to see the greatness!

[Riderz1337]

This guy is so delusional it's unbelievable. I mean damn...If you're console can't even get 60 FPS on a last generation port of a game, we have a problem.

[razrye]

What morons actually think that the xbox has more games than the PS4? check out the Wikipedia lists. Xbox 86, PS4 180.

[gamer2013]

Yeah, indie games really don't count dude; they didn't last gen (when it favored the 360) and they don't now. People don't spend hundreds of dollars on a console to play a damn indie game.

[razrye]

Obviously you're not a gamer. Don't starve and outlast are both excellent games.

[Metfanant]

its quite funny how Albert's tune has slowly, but surely changed over time...

prior to launch, he arrived over at GAF with guns blazing...going on and on about how there was "no way" that MS was giving up 30% performance gap to Sony...and now that we have seen instances of 50-100% differences (depending on what metric youre looking at) he sits here and says things like "the differences are not that much" or "i think Ryse is the best looking game" (as if a MS employee is going to say something like KZ is the best looking game anyway)...

is the PS4 twice as powerful as the Xbone? (as a 1080p vs 720p or a 60fps vs 30fps difference might suggest)...absolutely not...but it IS more powerful, and in some areas significantly so...

The PS4's hardware is much better suited for native 1080p than the Xbone's, just fact...thats not to say the Xbone cant make games that rival PS4 games, and Ryse is a great example of this...but in like for like situations (mostly multiplats) the PS4 is going to look and or perform better than the Xbone...unless parity is important enough to hold back the PS4 version, but i dont think that will be common

[DevilishSix]

Are we back on this again. WTF Microsoft execs never stop marketing. PS4 has a better GPU and faster RAM, WTF is there to argue about. Give it a flippen rest already.

[oldassgamer]

Why is Albert bringing up Ryse? The article specifically states MPs. Also, isn't this the guy who said he didn't have insight into what 3rd parties were doing, and now he's claiming to have behind the scenes info? Which is it Albert?

Source: http://bit.ly/1aSpPVP

"To be clear – I don’t know the resolution for every 3rd party game on XBO. I don’t know why people think I would. Do you believe the 3rd parties are giving me a report on the latest resolutions of their games? Or I can just call up and they will share it?" - Penello

"... I don’t get to walk over there and see whatever I want, or get these types of questions answered because of my position." - Penello

[larrysdirtydrawss]

lol@pr guys, albert listen, kzsf is better looking,better res,textures ect...

ryse looks good buy made huge sacrifices to get there that kz didn't... such as low resolution,very linear on rails experience and a framerste that hovers around 25-28fps(sometimes lower.

deepdown,the order also look better than ryse and kz

[cruzngta]

PS4 is the more powerful system due to more powerful hardware - plain and simple. No clever spinning of any type of other info can dispute this. There is no 'secret chipset' or 'secret sauce' in the Xbone. If it was so powerful they would have been promoting all that earth shattering power since day one with their 'Day One Edition' consoles.

[jay2]

Oh really? Let's see what Crytech can do on PS4 shall we? It might be a long gen etc, but heres the fact, the dev team can do it on 1 console, but not the other console, why? Kinect wasting money on resources is why.

[TristanPR77]

Hi folks:

We need some people to post videos on YouTube saying that there is no difference between 30fps and 60fps and that even when it is proven that multiplatform games runs better on PS4, the games looks better on xbone.

we are going to paid $3
#X1DamageControl

[gamingisnotacrime]

games speak for themselves
Period

[aragon]

So he just confirmed the 30 fps rumor

[SynestheticRoar]

Operation damage control send Penello.

[XtraTrstrL]

LOL @ him still running back to Ryse. Get the hell outta here with that buuullllll shite.

[DJ]

It's funny how a decision to save $30 on RAM per console created such a bad situation for Microsoft. It ended up forcing them to cut the GPU power in half to make room for ESRAM (to make up for the lack of GDDR memory). And now it's half the power of PS4.

I know it just sounds like a small resolution problem, but it takes twice the system power to display the same game at 1080p instead of 720p.

Luckily both consoles have the same graphical capabilities. PS4 games will just look that much sharper.

[andrarfc]

At the end of the day this is all BS, for all this extra power the graphics still look VERY similar. People don't buy consoles for specs, the most technically inferior console of the last gen sold the most!

[madjedi]

When it's the most powerful and $100 dollars cheaper, yeah they will.

Yeah how well did that work out for nintendo again.

If it's all bullshit, why are you participating?

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Did Sony ever comment on multiplatform games running at lower resolutions and lower frame rates on the PS1, PS2 and the PS3?

Didn't think so.

Now tell me fanboys, what made all of those consoles great?

Anyone trying to make a big deal out of this issue is a fanboy. Any site spinning this story is baiting for hits and / or pushing an agenda. No reader should ever trust a bias source nor should you ever give hit baiters your traffic.

[russo121]

@MultiC

"Any site spinning this story is baiting for hits and / or pushing an agenda. No reader should ever trust a bias source nor should you ever give hit baiters your traffic."

Do you pay for visiting such kind of sites? - I don't! Why in first place should we trust you? You seem to be justifying your expensive purchase and I don't care. Just make good use of it and enjoy.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Why would I need to justify my purchase of the PlayStation 4, Xbox One and the Wii U?

Nice strawman attack. Too bad it didn't work. Now you'll have to think of something else to justify your own painfully obvious fanboy bias.

[cabbitwithscissors]

Shoe's now on the other foot. Read it and weep. The xbone fanboy tears taste so good.

[russo121]

Sorry, but you're spinning like Albert Penello /MS - just answer the questions I've made. Share with us your unbiased sites so we can all get educated / clarified - no joking.
Having a vision of only one side is not good at all, and censoring is not an option, even if you like it.

Calling me a fan boy, well, that's your opinion and you're wrong. I stand that you need to justify your expensive purchase (I don't think you have the 3 systems - sorry) - and that's my opinion. 8)

[MultiConsoleGamer]

You're pushing your personal agenda so hard it's embarassing. Your strawman didn't work the first time so you tried and failed again. It's even more hilarious that you doubt that I own more than one console.

I have purchased ever console at launch since the N64. I even own the Ouya and the Mad Catz Mojo.

Deal with it. Deal with it hard. You're the only person here trying to justify a purchase. What I said struck too close to home.

"Did Sony ever comment on multiplatform games running at lower resolutions and lower frame rates on the PS1, PS2 and the PS3?"

Answer the question? Or are you unfamiliar with these consoles?

"Now tell me fanboys, what made all of those consoles great?"

Again, answer the question.

See you can't. Because the only right answer to both of these questions proves that I am correct in my statements. It also proves the only way to counter such truth is with a sleazy strawman attack, avoiding the subject or just posting "nuh uh" like you have done.

[russo121]

Embarrassing to whom?? me? lol. You're just too nervous, chill out. It seems you live to games and consoles and nothing else - girlfriend / wife needed.
You're spinning - I'm waiting for your unbiased opinions, sites, whatever... You can spin whatever you want but the truth is Penello is wrong as you. You are the one with your agenda and sir, you are a ms tool, a soldier and you're doing it for free.

IMO you need to chill out. Just relax - you're taking it too personal. I like you because you make me laugh.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I've been with the same girl for several years. I have two jobs in the video game industry (Journalist and Consultant to a Retail Buyer.) You're still pushing strawman attacks and you're still avoiding my questions because you know I'm right.

Absolutely, utterly, pathetic.

[Lilrizky]

I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story,”

That's not because it's on the Xbox, it's because Cry Engine is a beautiful engine. I'm sure if Ryse came out on PS4 it'd be 60fps :P

[PudgeySan]

Man, They are so up shit creek without a paddle lol.. So many questions not answer. When anyone from Microsoft speaks about the One's fault they like to dance around the actual issue at hand and it's obvious and sad... and whats with referring to the 360 to make up for the One's future or current situation?

[killswitchmad]

To me this is a simple switch round of stances, both consoles are on roughly equal footing.

In Sony's case the architecture is much easy to develop with and offers more bang from the get go.

With MS the architecture is a little harder to develop with due to its dual OS and RAM, meaning it'll take awhile longer to grasp properly.

Now cast your mind back to the begining of the previous generation, the same situation applied, The 360 had better architecture than the PS3 and resulted in better multiplatform games on the 360 but Sony's first person offerings were immense. It's the same case here but the other way around, multiplatform games perform better on PS4 but Xbox One's first party games are of immense quality.

Eventually it'll even out but for now expect multiplatform games to perform a little better on PS4 while the Xbox One's first party titles really flex that consoles muscle.

[jessupj]

Have you seen the spec for both consoles?

In no way, shape or form are the console on "roughly equal footing". In no stretch of the imagination will the gap eventually "even out".

If that's what you're hoping for I suggest you get a PS4 instead.

[killswitchmad]

I've seen the spec of both consoles and both are virtually identical...

Both run x86 Jaguar chipsets with 8 cores in fact the Xbox One's clocks at 1.75GHz while the PS4's only clocks at 1.65GHz however that is balanced out by MS having a dual OS...

GPU is a similar story, both run AMD sets similar to the Radeon 7870, the Xbox One only has 12 CU's compared to the PS4's 18 CU's however once again the Xbox One has a higher click speed at 853MHz compared to 800MHz in the PS4

The only large difference is in RAM where the PS4 packs 8gb of GDDR5 clocking at 5500MHz compared to the Xbox One packing 8gb of DDR3 clocking at 2133MHz. This is where Sony gets its current multiplatform advantage, the GDDR5 is instantly accessible at a rate of 176GB/s whereas the Xbox One's instant accessibility is only 68.3GB/s. The trick up MS's sleeve however is that the Xbox One packs 32Mb of Esram that clocks at 201GB/s, once developers start utilising the Esram the difference will be ameliorated and multiplatform games will begin to even out.

I already own a PS4, Will be picking an X1 up in the coming months...

[RenegadeRocks]

Dear Albert : What happenned to the Power of Teh CLOUD ? lol

[spoonard]

Set Penello to "spin" cycle. lol

[gigoran]

Microsoft, thank you. Without you I wouldn't be able to enjoy the extremely funny jokes about your poor excuse for a next gen console. Every day there is a new thing to laugh at. So while you are secretly regretting your mistake while hiding behind a ruse that you actually produced a wonderful machine, I just want to say thanks for the laughter. Who knows which piece of terrible news about your console that will bring us all to laughs tomorrow.

[endlesscrowd]

This is awesome

[LKHGFDSA]

lol Ryse: Son of Rome? it has a 5.8/10 user review rating on MetaCritic.

[Games_R_Us]

I am so over this debate on 1080p and 60fps vs 30fps. Who cares, its about the games and thats the most important thing. Playing the games you love. As gamers we need to stop giving stories like this attention as its dragging the industry down and causing rifts amongst the gaming community.

Come on folks, lets move forward here.

[DoesUs]

Haha. Bullsh!t from the spinmeister. Clearly he hasn't seen the PS4 version of these 12 multiplat titles, the flipside of this is what else can he say?!

[andrarfc]

He wasn't talking about how good the game was, he was talking about the visuals you tit.

[andrarfc]

Has he seen these 12 titles on ps4? They're All exactly the same except 3 and even they aren't that different!

[SprigganN4G]

PS4: AMD Radeon HD7870 (With very good memory BUS)
XBONE: AMD Radeon HD7790 (With bad memory BUS)

The End

[corroios]

Lets see. first, resolution doesnt matter, its better 720p or it almost the same than 1080p, then its better 30 to 60 frames, then its better low count players in a multiplayer war game for a next gen game...

Amazing and i know that more stuff like this is coming...

[coopman300]

"Do you agree with Albert Penello's notion that it's the games that matter?"

Uh yea, and i sure hope everyone else would agree. Otherwise what in the **** did you buy a GAMING console for in the first place. If the resolution and framerate matter more to you than the game itself you should be playing on pc not consoles. A trash game with amazing graphics is still a trash game.

[cabbitwithscissors]

So true, and in the case of a multi-platform game where the PS4 platform gives a much better experience with better graphics compared to the xbone, I would choose the former.

Better experience, better immersiveness, better graphics, similar priced game on both platforms(so why settle for a lesser one ?), lower platform console....which platform is this then ? Wanna guess ? It starts with the letter P.

[russo121]

It's called evolution - better graphics, better technology, better sound, better gameplay....

On xbone case it's called regression or technology stagnation - why upgrade from x360 if it has the same technological power? Or, am I wrong?

[cruzngta]

Mr. Penello is only doing what any other employee would do for a company he works with. He is defending their product. Can't hate him for that. He knows deep down as well as Major Nelson and Phil Spencer know that their console is just not as powerful as the PS4. I will give them props for making some cool games though because at the end of the day it's all about the games anyway. However, Sony is just getting started and it will be unreal to see the games they have coming out for this beast. Uncharted 4, Gran Turismo 7, the next God of War, and so many other unique games that only Sony knows how to deliver. Do not hate... Embrace the power that is PS4. Peace out.

[jmac53]

Everyone knows that the XB1 is underpowered compared to the PS4. The problem is these MS execs keep spreading FUD around and denying that they created a less powerful system to accommodate media functions. They realized that they turned their back on the gamers and are now desperately trying to beg forgiveness. They need to accept that they have the less powerful system and create great games for it. I am positive the XB1 will have great games and the PS4 will have great games, they will just look a tad better on PS4.

[shotime97]

I have looked at both systems side by side on the same game let's just say bf4 and I have to say that Xbox one games just look more refined at this point of the consoles life cycle if u don't believe me look it up.

[DevilishSix]

MS and their management team need to make a decision now on their PR gameplan because if they come on out here everytime to downplay a significant performance advantage for PS4, it is going to be a long and busy generation for them. I think theye should just let the hips fall where they may and bring out good exclusives. They don't have the multiplatform advantage this time around, so they need to stop acting like it and wasting everyones time.