Developer hints at PS4's CPU being more powerful than Xbox One's CPU

Insiderp: "Negativity seems to be the best friend of Microsoft and its Xbox division these days. Just when we thought that its CPU was at par or better than PS4's in terms of clock speed, a game developer and an ex-editor of a massive gaming website has come out and claimed the opposite "

[pwnsause_returns]

Welp....

[Hatsune-Miku]

Lol, no hint needed when the facts about the specs are easily attainable. PS4 is 50% more powerful than xbox one

[Ju]

Well, that's true mostly because of overall RAM bandwidth (and the GPU is 50% faster). But the cpu in the XBo is clocked a little bit higher and the theoretical bandwidth from the CPU is a bit higher as well (30GB/s vs. 25GB/s). If a dev can squeeze more out of the PS4's cpu than that's for other reasons. Probably because DDR3 doesn't deliver (GPU bandwidth requirements probably will "slow" CPU access) or other optimizations Sony did on the CPU (or low latency kernel overhead, etc). I am actually surprised if this is true. The clock isn't it. PS4 is clocked @ 1.6GHz (there is no 2GHz version).

[MRMagoo123]

@ju

Where is the official clock speed for the ps4 cpu i havent seen it yet?

[GTgamer]

The next person that says the X1 has a higher clockspeed than the PS4 when no one knows the PS4's CPU clockspeed should just be quiet.

[indysurfn]

In other news car and driver hinted that a Bugatti Veyron is faster than a ford escort, film at eleven! Of course every aspect of the xbox one is under powered.

[Eonjay]

Talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight...

[GameNameFame]

Ju 50 percent referes more than bandwidth.

It refers to GPU power.

Difference between GPUs on Xbox One and PS4 is about 50 percent.

Even more if you account for Xbox using GPU for kinect.

[zpoc]

CPU and GPU are different things. it was known that the ps4 GPU was more powerful, but it was thought that their CPU's were essentially the same.

[ChrisW]

Hmm... I smell smoke...

[imt558]

HEY JU!!!!

Here, check this :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

CPU in PS4 is more powerfull. ž

According to this article :

PS4 with 6 cores @2.0 GHz, with 7 cores @1.75 GHz

So long, Xbone....

[r1sh12]

@Hastune-Miku @Ju

Its not that, for the first few years the general difference will be very limited, when the generation gets a bit older and some ceiling limits start getting closer the PS4 can be optimised for a higher ceiling limit.
Whether the CPU's bandwidth is slightly higher is irrelevant, due to the PC like design.
For E.g a gaming spec PC (In general) will have a CPU running around 50-75% and the GPU might be 75-85% or something due to the graphical decoding/encoding - textures etc.

A good CPU will not even get close to a high percentage of use when gaming, yes it has some work but a good developer will offload most of the work to the GPU which is where the PS4 further increases its advantage.

THe CPU is a small part for gaming

[Ju]

But I do know.

[UltimateMaster]

The PS4 CPU can go up to 2.75Ghz.

[worldwidegaming]

This AGAIN! I saw the repeat! When are we getting some real news?

[vigilante_man]

Not this side of Christmas!!!

[windblowsagain]

waggy

[otherZinc]

Where's the PS4 games that demonstrate all this PS4 Power?

Is it found in Knack?

Is it found in Killzone:SF? There's nothing going on in Killzone other than graphics. The power of multiple enemies on screen isn't there, the AI is friggin stupid, there's no "campaign co-op"...etc...

And Knack isn't doing a damn thing.

So, where's this power that's being "talked" of with no demonstrative proof?

And I'm not talking abou t a port of a last gen game.

[Death]

If the PS4 had better games, do you think all we would hear about is theoretical specs? Remember when Playstation gamers didn't play specs or sales? I kinda miss those days.

[dantesparda]

How cute, two MS fanboys thinking they are clever. Where is all this supposed power? Well lets see, COD says "hi", at a 125% higher resolution, BF4 also says "hi" with a 56% higher res and a better framerate, AC4 is also 44% higher res. along with better AA. Heck even supposedly "parity" games are better on PS4 like NFS:Rivals (has HBAO rather than the technically inferior SSAO) and Bokeh DOF while the X1 ver just has a simple blur effect and NBA has better AA on PS4 than on X1.

And almost all the X1 exclusives can barely do 30fps (Ryse, teens-30fps and this is after lowering the res from 1080 to 900p and lowering the poly count from 150k to 85k & DR3 teens-30fps, also after dropping the res to 720p), also had KI had its res lowered to 720p and particle effects. All the meanwhile KZSF went from 1080/30fps to 30fps+ SP and 60fps MP (which btw looks better than anything on X1).

So there is plenty of proof of the PS4's power over the X1's, it just you delusion fanboys who dont want to see it and look stupid denying it and this is only the beginning.

[Death]

@Dante

So far this gen, the games look pretty much the same. This entire 50% more powerful campaign is baseless since the only way to tell is by comparing screen shots with a magnifying glass. I found it funny when screen grabs were mislabeled before launch and people commented on the wrong images praising the superiority of the Xbox One still frames until they found out it wasn't the PS4 image.

Look at all the fans that can't see the difference between FFIX grabs from PS4 to PC. I could actually see the difference between those mostly due to the fact is was comparing a still frame to a screen grab of a streamed vid. These same people could see a huge gap between the PS4 and XB1 images though.

Someday we will see if there is a huge gap between the consoles, but it isn't today. Let's see how each console does a year or two from now and see what the norm is. Today the only thing Sony fans have is theoretical bragging rights.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Where the XBone true power?
Where this thoery about cloud processing?
What the XBone true power

I'm going say might be well be true where is it that XB1 had more games at launch, doesn't mean long term that even Sony confirmed there over 100 IPs in development while Microsoft has ovef 50 IPs in development. lets see all those dislikes coming in

[Ju]

Games don't look the same. Hook both up on the same screen and switch between them. It's quite apparent, actually.

If you are coming from the 360 and only get the One, well, yeah, you might not notice.

[scott182]

@Death

Well, it is a fact that the PS4 is the more powerful machine, that is not debated anymore...
Regardless of if it matters or not, it is a fact. And no games don't look the same, or play the same (cod ghosts 1080p 60+ fps on ps4) I miss the days when Xbox gamers did care about specs and sales, that changed a little too.

[quenomamen]

The power is in the COD running 1080@ 60 FPS and other multiplats running at 900p with your precious X1 stuck @720. So much for the 3X cloud power.

[Death]

My "precious" Xbox One is outputting COD at 1080p. The difference is upscaled vs. native. From 12 feet I can't tell it's upscaled and not native. I have enough confidence in my purchase that I don't need to know in the back of my mind what kind of power my console has or lacks. If it comes down to needing to know what kind of power your console has that makes it "better", you probably don't have any games to play that justify it.

I'm having fun with Forza, COD and Dead Rising 3 even though I am constantly told on N4G how the Xbone sucks since it has less power by people that assume the Xbox One peaked at launch and the PS4 has an unlimited amount of power that is still to come.

[scott182]

Killzone and resogun are stellar to me in 1080p native and amazing graphics, and playing games at a higher native resolution does make a difference regardless where you sit. The fact is the PS4 has better hardware, it will always have better hardware... If that makes a difference to anyone that is up to them. I don't care that much personally, but denying facts just makes people seem very desperate.

[jjind]

@Ju I don't know why you wasted your time with that comment. You know this site favors the PS4. Anything positive come out about the xB1 get shitted on & dislikes. PS4 fans/fanboys only. Just telling it like it is

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Oh brother. Some random dude that has no proof he works anywhere in the industry has made a random internet post on a message board.

And the Sony fanboys eat it up. Incredible. They still have no games to play, so they're still talking specs.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

"Some random dude". Well we saw how that turned out with some random dude claiming that CoD:Ghosts is 1080p on PS4 and 720p on X1.

"They still have no games to play". Well we saw how that turned out with PS3.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Oh brother. Some random dude that has no idea how the vetting process on NeoGAF works.

Granted, it was kind of lame to make an N4G submission based on that one comment, especially since that comment was made in a thread about an actual technical benchmarking that itself proves the PS4 CPU outperforms that in the Xbone.

"Duh hurr... PS4 haz no gaemz!"

Right... even though the PS4 actually has MORE games than the Xbone. Brilliant.

[frostypants]

@miDnIghtEr20C_SfF: Neogaf does not f*** around when it comes to vetting people. If they say he's an industry insider, he is.

[Vic_Mackey]

Who Gives A Shit? Play What You Like. Fanboism Is Retarded.

[GamersHeaven]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-conte...

[kingduqc]

Yeah big deal, they got the same processor but one run at a whopping 150-200 Mhz higher. Considering they are like a beefed up tablets cpu I don't see why we should even care about that. GPU is quite bigger gap then the cpu and its where it matters but those slow clocked cpus are really really not that fast even compare to i5 from 4-5 years ago.

[wishingW3L]

who is Matt? Is he a developer or something?

[Sammy777]

He is a developer at EA or 2K i guess. He was also an editor at IGN a few years ago

[wishingW3L]

Gaf should adopt a system where you can discern who is who like on Twitter or reddit.

[nypifisel]

No because they giving information is based on their ability to be anonymous.

[Kayant]

According to gaf he's a third party dev working on both consoles atm also has been verified by the mods take that what you will....

[Sammy777]

whats with the disagrees. Matt is a developer and was an editor at IGN. Disagreeing won't change anything as he is a well known face in the gaming community

@wishing
Matt is a verified developer at Gaf. All insiders and game developers are verified at Gaf

[jackanderson1985]

it should be noted that the full neogaf thread states that the figures might be a little off as they're unsure what number of cores the PS is using overall and a bunch of other stuff i know very little about personally

[dantesparda]

No, they dont know if its using 1 core or the whole CPU. Either way, the PS4 is performaning higher. If thats the performance for just one core than the PS4s CPU lead will be even higher

[Sarcasm]

If you look at the graph it clearly states single core.

[lets_go_gunners]

How is this negativity, both consoles are in people's home now and everyone has come to terms. The ps4 is more powerful it has been established already...2 million people never cared before won't care after.

[Statix]

My guess is that the Xbox One reserves much, much more CPU power for its complex OS setup than the PS4 does, which explains why a dev would be able to "get more out of the PS4 CPU."

[Ju]

Don't think this makes a big difference. You have 6 cores on the PS4. 2 are reserved by the OS. I don't really think the XBO requires more than 2 cores to run the OS (don't know). I know Sony did some customization to the implementation, probably some SSE/AVX optimizations, but not sure. It could simply be, that the memory is just more efficient than the DDR or the cache is faster (2 clusters with local cache and a level below shared...but I am not sure if this is 1st/2nd or if it actually has a 3rd level). I could imagine if cache implementation is better (could also be some differences in cache control logic) than the GDDR latency or lower bandwidth is negligible while cache can be more efficient?? The PS4 kernel offers thread affinity. Not sure if Xbo's OS does that, too - it's windows after all. But this allows you to avoid unnecessary context switches, for example. hUMA is sure something which relieves the system from some unnecessary mem transfers. Could be numerous factors. Can't be too much, though.

[akaFullMetal]

I also thought Kinect takes a core or two???

[AnteCash]

Not to mention compute on ps4 gpu is 4 times higher than x1 gpu, thats gonna play a huge part in 2-3 years.

[Ulf]

No, it won't. GPGPU is sold to gamers as a marketing mechanic -- its not really worthy of gamer attention. It's for science stuff.

If they were worthy as CPU substitutes, the die area used for the 8 CPU cores would be used for 4 CPU cores, or less, and that area would instead be more GPU compute units.

GPGPU is really overrated as a CPU substitute. It's really phenomenal at a couple of things, like narrowphase physics collisions and constraints, and sucks at everything else, due to the thread warping issues caused by even a single branch in the code. Imagine the performance of a CPU running at 800 MHz, and basically lacking a cache, lacking OOO, etc. (or worse, having to thrash with CUs actually doing GPU work), all while having to use high latency memory to boot. I bet it takes 4-5 of them to match a single PS4 CPU core, for most of the work a CPU does.

Unfortunately, even things like physics are not really worthy of throwing GPU power at, unless you're doing a demo. For example, you shouldn't be doing lots of narrowphase collisions, unless you created some really crappy physics geometry in the first place, or are trying to make a game about pingpong balls or something.

GPUs are good at rendering, and some supporting operations, like mesh skinning. Otherwise, outside of doing intense math/science stuff like simulating protein folding or rat neuron neurochemistry reactions, they aren't good for game CPU work, which is mostly branching logic. Leave that to the CPU cores.

[Ju]

GPU raycasting, GPU physics ...two of the most expensive areas in game development will make extensive use of this feature (for example). Already released in Sony's Phyre reference engine.
Also, skinning and culling contribute quite significantly to the frame time. If you want to run 60fps, there is no way around doing this on the GPU. GNM offers full control over the command buffer, hence allows fine tuning compute on the PS4.

[first1NFANTRY]

can't spin facts.

[HighResHero]

I've seen some people try.

[first1NFANTRY]

lol you and i both. it's quite impressive how some are able to come up with a spin for everything.

[Infamous298]

Master spinners they call them lol.

[Nail13]

fact spin #1 "Microsoft: Cloud makes XboxOne four times more powerful"

[Gabenbrah]

Stories based on NeoGaf forums... *Facepalm*

[nategrigs]

What's wrong with that?

[Sammy777]

Neogaf forum is not an ordinary forum. Albert Penello, Shahid Kamal and developers of all major publishers post there

[Skate-AK]

The funny thing is, we wouldn't have known a lot about the Xbone and PS4 before release if it wasn't for GAF.

[headblackman]

why is it that when speaking about the xbox one you have to say xbone and when you speak about the playstation 4 you say ps4? why can you call the xbox one xb1? it's a lot of ways you ps4 could be spun out and clound.like gaystation 4, slavestation, or lamestation and so forth and so on. but it's playstation 4 or ps4. and it's xbox one or xb1.

[Eyeco]

I don't understand whats derogatory about Xbone ? It's no difference from XB1, blame Microsoft for the silly name they should have just called it the 720 or Xbox Tri/ Tres (latin for 3) or even go for strange names like Sega used to do ( genesis, nomad, saturn) calling it the XB1 was silly and if Xbone is derogatory then they really set themselves up for that.

[thehitman]

@head

Even though I personally prefer xb1 then typing xbone what your comparing is not even close to being the same thing. It is MS fault for using such a stupid name in the first place. XBone is exactly what the name is. You dont have to change or alter the spelling to make it look for what it is, which is stupid and silly. PlayStation is named PS and Xbox One is XBone.

edit: eye beat me to it lol but ya.

[Skate-AK]

Because Xb is Xbox so I say Xbone. It's just like abbreviating Playstation 4 as PS4.

[tagan8tr]

@head so type PSfour because that is the equivalent abbreviation to XBone.

[The Great Melon]

Frankly, Xbone might be easier to type than XB1. Going a little meta, XB1 requires too much emphasis on the left hand. You have to use one hand to go all the way from B to 1 (unless you use nonstandard typing conventions). Xbone despite having more characters keeps the fingers alternating a little more and closer to the home row.

Once again laziness is the great determiner of things.

[Nail13]

@headblackman because Xbone is a joke.

@people that got the joke. Some people don't get it, like Kanye West and the Fishsticks joke.

[DigitalRaptor]

It's nice that developers are applying some affirmation, but we've known this for ages.

Before anyone tries any damage control, we don't need it. c'mon.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Goodnight, sweet Xbox.

[TruthInsider]

Skull & Xbone!

[TheDarpaChief]

Here we go with the click while on fire articles. We all know the ps4 destroys the xbone in terms of hardware.

[d3nworth1]

Well if darkwing duck says so then it most be true.

[Goku781]

When Neogaf speaks, people listen. He speaks the truth. Which has made PS4 a threat to Xbox One existence. People are being over charged for a camrea, that's a fact.

[zpoc]

neogaf isn't a person, dumdum

[Godmars290]

One: Why is it a "hint" when there is clear indication by spec comparison that one console is better than the other? Can outperform the other.

Two: What will it really matter if that difference isn't exploited? If all that comes from it are better looking FPS and the like instead of new and improved game mechanics?

[GamingNerd013]

I wouldn't be surprise if its true. If it's true all the more reason y to get the PS4 if ur only into games as they well perform and look better on ps4 then X1. I personally got PS4 cause I like Sony games way more and wanted a more powerful system to have as I don't care 4 kenect and there r only 2 games I like on xbox forza and fable series compared to 8 Sony games that I really have enjoyed over the years like UC LBP TLOU IF and many more.

[akaFullMetal]

Before we never knew the clock speed of the ps4, but we knew the Xbox had a 1.75 ghz cpu speed. Now from gaf we learn a rumor that ps4 has faster cpu, and an insider dev comments saying that you can get more out of the ps4 cpu. Which would indicate it is faster or at least you can get more out of the ps4 cpu than the x box one for gaming.

[dannphou]

Lol... I'm looking at dislikes here!!! Who needs an xbox one to watch tv, when you can buy another tv/monitor?

[dannphou]

Amirite?

[neoandrew]

So, whats the ps4 cpu speed?

[pwnsause_returns]

thats the thing, we dont know, base clock was suppose to be 1.6 ghz. hearing this makes me think that they probably pushed it to 1.8-2.0ghz or at least equaled it to the x1's clock speed.

[neoandrew]

I don't get it, why sony just don't tell it.

[DeadlyFire]

Jaguar base clock ranges up to 2 Ghz so it could be anything between 1.6-2.0 Ghz. The most likely scenario is that both XB1 and PS4 feature a Jaguar chipset that originally had a clock of 1.8 up to 2.0 Ghz. They downclocked them a little to keep the TDP low. How much and if they could just upgrade them with software/firmware patches to higher numbers we don't know unless they tell us.

XB1 has been stated as 1.75 Ghz after a bump was detailed from 1.6 Ghz up to 1.75 Ghz. If Sony did the same or either are pushing for 1.8 Ghz and up to 2 Ghz they have not stated so yet.

[AdamJensen]

Oh crap, a developer hinting at something that we all already knew about!

[ELpork]

How is this new news? Isn't this all people have been talking about for months now?

[hello12]

GPU is what people argued about. And, yes the Sony PS4 GPU is better.

I'm an x box fan and i have the x box 1, by the way.

The CPU is different. Microsoft CPU runs at 1.75GHZ.

I don't think Sony have ever stated the CPU clock speed of the PS4.

But, i think its a safe bet is not better than Microsoft CPU and running faster. Its doubtful Sony would have overlooked this issue and not let it be known the PS4 CPU is faster.

I don't think the PS4 needs a higher clock speed anyway. The PS4 UI doesn't need it, for the stuff it runs. 1.6ghz is more than enough.

[Morgue]

Man these articles are getting old.

" My PS4 game looks better than your X1 game "

" How so? It's the same game "

" Mine is on PS4 "

" Uh... Still the same game, we own the same TV's "

" My picture settings are different than yours so it looks better and it's 50% more powerful "

/s

[MRMagoo123]

that makes no sense at all.

" My PS4 game looks better than your X1 game "

" How so? It's the same game "

" Mine is on PS4 "

" Uh... Still the same game, we own the same TV's "

" My picture settings are different than yours so it looks better and it's 50% more powerful "

Thats like saying the pc games dont look better because its the same game, its the same base game but the graphics are taken up some notches which makes it the better version, the ps4 version of AC4 is better than the xbone version and its plain as day looking at them side by side.

[hello12]

As an x box fan of course the PS4 is better when it comes to graphics.

Any sane person knows a better GPU will always outperform a lower one.

The question is the performance decrease on the xb1 enough to ruin your gaming experience.

I don't believe so, for 500 Euros, the x box 1 does lot more things than the PS4.

If game graphics was all that you cared about of course the PS4 was the better option for offline gaming.

[Morgue]

I know it made no sense hence the sarcasm.

Geez get over it.

[Golden_Mud]

What his saying is true , take NBA 2K14 as an example , people say a system is better than the other but when asked where they don't know how to answer

[BanginBiscuitz]

This is where the line gets drawn. Sony from the beginning has been using ANYTHING they can do to take shots at Microsoft. If this was true trust me Sony would of let us know about it, either PS4's CPU is slower, or at the same speed as the X1. Use your brains guys, Sony used whatever they can to make X1 look bad from the beginning this would of just been more ammunition.

[stuna1]

How so!? Sony didn't do anything to make the Xbox1 look bad, Microsoft did that on their own! As far as Sony talking up their hardware, they are nowhere on the same level as Microsoft when it comes to boasting.

Seem now is the perfect time for Microsoft to start showing a little humility and rectify the damage they have perpetrated upon the unsuspecting consumer.

[Salooh]

They already said that it's the most powerful console (That's not boasting , that's fact :P ). So in your logic the ps4 is stronger . If you disagree then you deny sony/developers/people/facts. All of them are wrong and you are right :P .
http://www.techradar.com/ne...

You guys just need to Acknowledge/State facts. You don't need to like it but don't deny it.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

MS made too many mistakes so actually Sony didn't really do much to make them look bad. MS dug their own grave.

[timlot]

How does something like this post end up here? Don't even try to hide the bias anymore. Read his post history. Very interesting.

[DigitalRaptor]

Are you talking about the fact that this is a valid developer comment from NeoGaf? Or would you rather continue to live in denial like you have been for the past few months?

"If this article isn't posted to N4G, then I can't read about it and be informed of the true difference between these consoles"

^ is what you seem to prefer.

[Kayant]

Looool DigitalRaptor don't worry just leave timlot to continue to stealth troll as he does on gaf.
If you don't know forum post are allowed here as long as it's from a industry person. So no there's no bias here just facts from the source :)

OT - There are different theories to why this is.

Some people think it's more to do with the overhead with PS4 having less OS overhead.

PS4 actually having 7 cores for games and not six like previously thought

Or the unlikely one of it being clocked higher than XB1's. Heat output with be really high considering the size of the case of the PS4.

[staticdash22]

Wait. I thought you couldn't link to neogaf? Lol special circumstances included?

I agree though, but if rules are set for some people, we should honor that for the rest.

[Kayant]

You can for most forums iirc as long as it's from an industry person it's within the rules like this. It's the same as direct linking twitter feeds.

[staticdash22]

Oh, nvm then

[SlavisH2]

Mods don't care they pick and choose. (Lt...)

[strigoi814]

as if nobody knows...lolz true facts are already set on the table since day one..so no surprises here

[Belking]

Gaf forums...lol *facepalm*

[DigitalRaptor]

Gaf forums?

You mean THE gaming forums where people from the industry post?

Where CliffyB has posted? where Major Nelson has posted? where Penello has posted? where Naughty Dog employees and where a large many industry folks have posted and had conversations with gamers, and broken news through replies? And where leaked rumours have ended up being true, and industry-shattering?

That's right. Gaf forums. The #1 forums that the industry contributes to, and that contributes back to the industry. Well done on being so misinformed, that you don't even know what Gaf is.

[ziggurcat]

Don't bother trying to figure out his blind fanboy logic. Anything positive about Sony is BS, anything negative about MS is BS regardless of how valid the source may be... He's a misterx drone, so I'm sure he's still holding onto some false hope of xbone secret sauce.

It's been really slow over at misterx, so he's been here a lot, trolling, and spreading xbox fanboy FUD.

[T2]

Ya gaf forums where like half the stories from this website originate

[MasterCornholio]

Belking fails again.

Rofl

[Funky Town_TX]

Sony = hardware company so the hardware will always be better when it is launched is the same window or after. Anyone who thinks different is crazy.

[hellvaguy]

Not necessarily. Ps2 was the weakest hardware that gen and ps3 always got worse lookin and buggy multiplats until the last few years.

If all the fanboys were that obsessed with pixels they would be gaming on the pc. This is just something else to knit pick over and flame others on forums.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

ps2 launched first and hardware was locked in early 1999,i wouldn't call that launch window.. it held its own vs the cube very nicely... ps3 1st party was exceptional... multiplat devs struggled but 1st party proved the power was surely there even with a f-ed up o.s situation.. 3rd party eventually got the hang of the cell

[thexmanone]

Who cares, its about games. Hell, I still play my Gameboy and still enjoy it.

[parentsbasement]

Im sorry but if you REALLY think about it, you DONT enjoy it, I mean , how could you? The graphics are crap and im sure the cpu and gpu and ram and cooling fans and all that other stuff is so sub par that you really cant have a good time on it, again, sorry to have to point this out, but , you are not, repeat NOT enjoying it.

[jlo]

That's exactly how I feel about consoles

[jhoward585]

Even if the x1 cpu was a bit faster than the PS4 it still wouldn't matter in the end b/c the PS4 has HSA/huma.

[Golden_Mud]

The Xbox CPU is proved to be something powerful , it the GPU that is suffering : http://www.extremetech.com/...

[Thomaticus]

If the games don't show that the ps4 is more powerful then it doesn't matter. Show me the games.

[BX81]

Agreed, some people are gonna be in for a rude awakening this gen if they think every game is gonna look jaw dropping. Wasn't the ps3 the stronger console last gen too? Only a hand full of devs really made jaw dropping games. I have a xb1 now but when uncharted drops I'm getting a ps4. The ps4 is no different. It could be stronger than any PC built for the next 5 years but it's up to the devs to push that hardware. I personally look forward to those few gems on both consoles this gen.

[ALLWRONG]

So when is the PS4 going to show it? Because so far the PS4 has nothing that looks even half as good as Ryse or Quantum Break.

[Sarobi]

Half as good as Ryse? I played through Ryse twice and I never once thought it was THAT graphically impressive. NBA 2K14 facial models are still the most impressive graphical highlight on both systems.

[KratosSaveUs]

1st off QB isn't even out yet and secondly Shadow Fall already looks better than Ryse. The only thing Ryse has is facial features. Its not impressive. I know PS3 games that look just as good if not better.

[ALLWRONG]

"Shadow Fall already looks better than Ryse"

And then you woke up.

[joeorc]

@ALLWRONG

""Shadow Fall already looks better than Ryse" "

(And then you woke up.)

still knowing in his opinion that Shadowfall looks to be the over all better game.

His opinion on the game as what looks better is just as viable of an opinion on the opinion that Ryse looks better. which; in my opinion Ryse looks very good, it does not in my opinion look better than Shadow fall, from draw distance to dynamic cloth physics that show to me that Ryse does not look better than shadowfall, for one the Environments of each game tell the story of which one is pushing more at one time and while Ryse looks very good, it does not look as good over all as shadowfall in my opinion. you of course would disagree, no problem with that , that is your opinion but to each his own.

[MadLad]

Sure, a small group of people, mostly housed on this site in particular, would probably agree with you there.

[joeorc]

@SlapHappyJesus

"Sure, a small group of people, mostly housed on this site in particular, would probably agree with you there."

wait, so just because a large number people on the internet websites like ign, AGREE that have another Opinion that is not of your own, said that its a small group of people?

I mean that could be stated about those with the opinion that Ryse look's better than shadowfall, that does not mean im calling out those on certain sites with bias toward Ryse.

What we have is; both an Opinion with i have pointed out my reason's why very clear why i do not think Ryse Looks as good as shadowfall, that does not mean that I do not think Ryse looks like its not a good game or anything, im just pointing out that in my opinion i think Ryse does not look as good as shadowfall.

[BobBelcher]

hmmm this could hinder my decision to get a PS4 AND an xbox one... wait... Nope.

[KratosSaveUs]

InFamous Second Son
Driveclub
The Order 1886
Uncharted 4
Shadow of the Beast
Rime
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
SOMA

That's what we know so far,and Sony Santa Monica,Media Molecule, Quantic Dream,and Guerrilla Games are working on new games.

[JoseV76]

Can't believe this garbage about which is faster and who has better hardware are still going on, peeps n denial or something?

[DJ]

Sony always makes the most powerful hardware. It's just their thing.

[Dasteru]

"Yes, you can get more out of the PS4's CPU than you can the Xbox's. "

No, that isn't hinting about anything, it is implying exactly what has already been known. The Xbone is dedicating more of its CPU power to the OS's than the PS4, there is no mention of the raw capabilities of them.

[imt558]

And 10% GPU juice for the Kinect to.

[Max-Zorin]

Power differences will never stop me from enjoying what every system have to offer. Look at PS1 and 2. They weren't superior is the power department but did it stop you from enjoying what it had to offer? No. NOW SHUT UP ABOUT POWER!!!!!!!! IT'S GETTING ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I luv ya N4G...but this changes nothing.

[Blasphemy]

Well damn is there anywhere Microsoft didn't cut corners to get kinect added

[MasterCornholio]

Just to quote some Neogaffers "Matt has spoken"

[Phoenix76]

I see a lot of posts on here going on about the clock speeds of the CPU's. I'd just like to point out that we are forgetting about two other aspects that determine how good a chip is.
1. FSB - front speed bus, what is it?? Is it 533mHz or 667mHz?? What??
2. L2 chace size? 1mb? Or 2mb? Or is it 512k??
Both of these will have an effect on performance.

[annus]

People on N4G seem to think consoles and PCs are just GPU, CPU, RAM and a harddrive. They don't understand anything lower level than that, which is why articles like this are pointless. They just see basic numbers and go from there. The whole "hurr DDR5 is 2 more than DDR3 so it's better" arguments when the consoles were revealed proved this.

[Harmonizer]

I think the CPU's are pretty equal, but MS requires more CPU power to run their operating systems, therefore PS4 can use more CPU power for games.

[solidboss07]

So what. Both systems have GPUs that will be doing tasks traditionally carried on the CPUs. It doesn't matter which console has a slightly better CPU. GPU is where the performance is. PS4 is superior overall in every aspect of game development. The fact that PS4 has a better CPU is just another little increase on its already impressive lead over XB1, and I do welcome it. Good job Mr Cerny.

[NeloAnjelo]

The fact that makes Xbots moan and make excuses...

Also Kincet uses 10% of the XBONE's power and memory, making matters worse.

[CyrusLemont]

How come no one still knows the clock speed of the CPU? I thought it was easy as (well easy for those hardware sites) opening it and using some kind of electronic measurement gadget or something.

[Dirkster_Dude]

Why is this even news? Doesn't everyone already know this from the specifications?

[Ukdude]

Well ive got a Xbox One,great graphics and smooth gameplay so far on Ghosts and Ryse..very happy.

Seems to me the architectures of these two are built entirely different with the One looking more complex,this still doesnt mean it cant keep up with the PS4,especially with the potential of developing software tools from the software company that is Microsoft.

Sony perfect the hardware side
Microsoft perfect the software side

Seems pretty simple to me

Time will tell i guess

[bornsinner]

damage control with lies, course sony won't confirm anything about the cpu because they hidden every detail about it.. they were open about all the other parts expect the cpu. now tell me why they didn't reveal the specs? it's a lot like why xbone didn't officially release gpu specs.. oh well let sony continue to lie to you just like when everyone believed ps4 uses 7gb for in game ram.

works well to stop the fanboys killing themselves.

i do think the xbone cpu is still faster and ps4 is underclocked due to heat issues, games like killzone & driveclub can't do 60fps without the required cpu cycles, ms actually came out & said fps drops occurred due to slow cpu speeds which is why they increased there's.

[Thunderhawkxbox]

Yeah ok cool who the hell is Matt another Sony fan boy at Sonygaf saying it

[Mr_Luke]

I think people are getting tired of hearing this all the time.... even the rocks know that the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbone

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Source is NeoGAF? Well then you know this is bullshit and black PR. That's all they do.

[Killzoner99]

No. NeoGaf is the most trusted forum by industry people. You're just a butt hurt Xtroll.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Yeah, call me when Nintendo releases that Portable GameCube GAF said was on the way. Also who can forget their claims that the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV had "problems." And hey, when the sales numbers for a certain company are bad, NeoGAF won't publish them. Let's also not forget the many inaccuracies of CBOAT which are too numerous to list.

Oh, one last thing. I bought a PS4 at launch. Got any other strawman attacks I can shoot down? Yeah, didn't think so.

Old fashioned message boards are corrupt and obsolete.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Yeah, call me when Nintendo releases that Portable GameCube GAF said was on the way. Also who can forget their claims that the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV had "problems." And hey, when the sales numbers for a certain company are bad, NeoGAF won't publish them. Let's also not forget the many inaccuracies of CBOAT which are too numerous to list.

Oh, one last thing. I bought a PS4 at launch. Got any other strawman attacks I can shoot down? Yeah, didn't think so.

[sgtGanGreen]

What a stupidity lol

[Mister_Dawg]

What is the point of this penis size contest when the more powerful PS4 can't even get a hard on?

The PS4 games at present show it needs a shot of viagra.

[creepjack]

Who cares. My phone's CPU is faster than the PS4s, what does that mean? That's right, jack squat. You kids will grab at anything to justify your stupid brand loyalty.

[Blachek]

There is no story associated with this article, why was this approved?

[Killzoner99]

Because it's a trusted source used by industry people. Where have you been living? Under a rock or something?

[gedden7]

CPU GPU controller are all better and its great gamers are buying the ps4 3:1 over the xbone BUT guess what its not going to matter... Why well MS pockets still run very deep. They can and will lose money to get exclusives and bigger and better services.. Just like what happened with Titan fall. Sony really has get all those great IPs going and released next and the beginning of 2015. I know I'm buying a ps4 in 2014!

[cbuc1125]

@creepjack ...It doesnt mean jack squat because your phone doesnt additionally have faster RAM and a faster GPU than the PS4. Just a faster cpu alone doesnt mean anything but all 3.....yes now you see grasshopper!

[zero_gamer]

Stuff like this shows how far N4G has done down the tubes. Someone submits a link to a single forum post containing only one sentence, and becomes the hottest news of the day.

Not only that, but a post that reveals NOTHING NEW! This on a NEWS site no less.

[MadLad]

Ah.
So, yet again, we continue this self-righteous N4G circle-jerk of praise Playstation and hate Xbox.
This isn't news.
This is nothing we haven't known for months, but let's just keep the articles flowing and typing the same tired insults and posts.
We apparently have nothing better to do.

[Keregan]

Lol another nobody spilling is shit on SonyGaf and every sony's ponies jumping on it like it's the truth. Sorry guys but the PS4 is only a cheap piece of outdated hardware it won't match the xbox one on the long run :P

[Tzuno]

Both consoles have cpu's that are designed for mobile platforms. There are true desktop quad cores that smoke the both of them and i mean Mainstream ones. And consoles have 2X4cores cpu's soldered to mobo not a true 8 core.

[InTheZoneAC]

@ title of article

"no S**t"