The “forced” inclusion of Kinect in every box has received very mixed reactions from gamers, but Microsoft is very firm in its belief that it’s a valid choice, as Xbox Live’s Larry “Major Nelson” Hryb explained today.
Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb closes the year with a video podcast together with Phil Spencer himself.
Major Nelson (Larry Hryb) wraps up the year and decade with special guest Phil Spencer.
Microsoft’s Xbox Live Director of Programming Larry “Major Nelson” Hryb talks about the possibility of doing something more with the Elite controller, possibly in the next generation.
I'd be down for an Xbox Elite controller 2 for the next gen Xbox. I'm sticking with the one I have now though. I have no problem with it.
😄😄 I mean Microsoft just spent potentially billions of dollars on acquiring and starting new gaming studios...way more than they will spend developing a new elite controller...but to the fanboys, it never happened.
@narutofox why are you so mad lmaol can't wait to see what you type here in n4g after microsoft reveals what other studios they acquired lol fanboys you gotta love em lol
@neuteredfox they are doing both whats your problem? Maybe ask Sony to make a controller as good as the X1 base controller let alone the Elite
This is the first time in ages that they've talked about it so how is that focusing more on it than games ?
The story is about controllers not exclusives. Would u like some salt with that salt.
No even close in my opinion. I feel like they are too prone to failing, just like the Xbox One controller.
@timotim
Xbox 360 or PS2.
The thumbsticks on the 360 controller would fade quickly, but I always used to use thumb grips anyway, so it never bothered me. My main 360 controller is still going strong now and it must be 10 years old now.
My PS2 controller has been going for about 15 years now though. That thing is amazing. The only reason why I don't use it on my pc anymore is because I prefer the positioning of the thumbsticks of an Xbox One controller.
If Xbox One controllers didn't develop problems so quickly, then they would easily be my favourite controller.
It seems as if you're talking more of durability though. I would disagree with your picks, however, before the Xbox One, I did feel that the 360 controller was the former king. However, the 360 controller had the battery bump on it that prevented gamers fingers from fully articulating, where as the Xbox One controller made it flush with the gamepad. This reason alone is a huge improvement over the 360 controller...the Elite controller is on another level though, even over the standard gamepad.
Durability is the most important part. If a controller stops working properly, then it's pretty much useless.
yeah slap a stick on it and call it the pro2, add "4K" and cloudgaming on the box, young gamers eat that shit up
How bout let's make some games to go with all the controllers and different consoles your making. Xbox gamers need more games not controllers or another console.
Replies(4)Dude I literally have hundreds of games on my Xbox that I've downloaded but never played because of time restraints. Games isn't the problem. Time to play is.
Tim PStrihard is a toddler. He has all the time in the world to play the 5 games he has in h8s collection. Most real gamers have more games than time. When i do get time to play I prefer using the best controllers
Well Gears and Crackdown is trashed, Halo looks to be going the looter shooter route. They definately need something new.
Used both:
Dual shock 4 has a superior d-pad and button layout + "map button" (touch pad)
Elite controller has rumble in the triggers, which is nice, but many games does not utilize it sadly.
I prefer the DS4.
Said noone ever. It's pretty much a well known fact that Xbox controllers wipe the floor with PlayStations. Not even close
Said me ever. Stop stating opinion as fact. I prefer the DS4. One thing Fritzwochel didn't mention is the face buttons. I MUCH prefer the flatter, softer face buttons on DS4 to the rounder, hardened "jewel" buttons on the Xbox controller. I also prefer the symmetrical analog sticks over the asymmetrical design. After gaming on both for many hours, the DS4 is just more comfortable in my hands. The only design aspect of the X1 controller I prefer is the individual motorized triggers.
Also, while criminally underutilized, the controller speaker in the DS4 can really add an extra level of emersion to the game (DMC 5 being the most recent example).
I have a DS4 and a Steam Controller. DS4 is usually my go to for couch games, while my Steam Controller is more for games not intended for controllers, such as S.T.A.L.K.E.R where there is no alternative. DS4 can be hit or miss sometimes, especially with bluetooth connectivity on PC. Unless you're using Steam, which now supports DS4 natively, you're gonna have trouble with most other games outside that, requiring a third party utility such as DS4Windows, or SCPServer. Steam Controller mostly goes around these issues (if you can get use to the learning curve), because it's emulating a keyboard&mouse across all games.
Agreed that Xbox controller is far superior to dualshocks. Now the durability of the Xbox controller is another subject
Why are we pretending there is some enormous difference between the two controllers. "Far superior"? lol....ok, for you. There are marginal differences between the two controllers. And the fact is that every person's hands are different so any and every claim to which is superior is entirely anecdotal. Even the article I posted above (to rebuke the ridiculous 'no one ever' claim) is either one person's perspective or the collective opinion of a small number of people.
Of course. Despite PC Gamer's choice, most PC users are going to go with Xbox One controllers as the prompts in most games correspond to the Xbox One letters.
Oh wait.....are you saying sales indicate which one is better?
@Razzer
Hahaha, yes, that is exactly what is ignorantly being said. If PS4 has sold more, I would hope that by default it would sell more controllers. 😂😂🤣 29315;
@AscendedHuman
"Y = Triangle X = Square B = Circle and A = X. I've used both interchangeability and the prompts don't make a difference."
That doesn't work for me. Having to do the translation in-game is annoying. Obviously you have no problem with it, but I do. I stick to Xbox One entirely when playing on PC. If not for the prompts then I could with either one.
"Most PC users are going to use an Xbox controller because of it's driver support and overall ease of access support in games in comparison to other competitor controllers"
Yeah, I agree those are better reasons. Native support is crucial. I tried the DSWindows on PC and it worked ok, but again, I couldn't get passed the prompts.
The Xbox controller just feels much better using both analog sticks. Yes the r1 and l1 are nicer on the ds4. But most games require our thumbs on both thumb sticks 90% of the time. Unless you got long ass thumbs the ds4 just isn’t as conformtable.
Now the durability I can’t speak of on PS4. I go through Xbox controllers often. Atleast 2 a year. The triggers wear out fast it seems.
"Pretty much a well known fact" is, in fact, not factual. If it can be debated, any objectivity is immediately dismissive. I would say the 360 controller is better than the DS3 mostly (I would argue that the 360 controller is trash for fighting games compared to DS3), but you're going to tell me that the Duke controller was better than DS2? Yeah, okay. Good luck getting a consensus on that one.
For the current generation, I liked Xbox One's controller feel at first, but after buying an Xbox One, I find those controllers are not as durable as the DS4, which, at first, had problems with the sticks wearing out. That was the only issue I've had with DS4. I've broken bumpers on 2 different Xbox One controllers (literally, the bumper cracked in half), which is unheard of. I'm sure the elite controllers are great, but I'm sure as hell not going to shell out $150 for a video game controller for a console I barely play.
Anyway, my point still stands: some controllers are better than others, but no, I don't agree Xbox has just had better controllers every time.
360 was better than DS3, but DS4 is much better than XB1’s trigger buttons are horrific with their placement. Elite controller does not count as it is not included hardware.
It isn't even close to a "fact". It's just fabricated user regurgitated jargon with no basis. Same with Live being "better". It's really not. Even when Live used Peer to Peer on its biggest games while free PSN had dedicated servers people said Live was better. Technically, Live was actually worse for online gaming. Nowadays it's tied, except certain games like Destiny that rely on user made parties so much are a little more frustrating on XBox because the population is nearly half.
If you want to get technical, there is zero benefit that an asymmetrical thumb stick gives. Absolutely, zero. It's all personal preference. The common misconception I still hear is that the DS4 is smaller and not for bigger hands. The dimensions of the controller are bigger, but still grippable for smaller hands. Whereas XBox controllers are designed around the palm being up against the grip and holding it more tightly, the DS4 gets much more comfortable if you don't palm the grips, but have it in between the middle of your palm and pinky and resting more so than gripping it for dear life.
Getting techinical again, the XBox controller does not have full button pressure sensitivity which PlayStation had since PS2, D-Pad is an obvious loss of control to reach for in that position and the buttons are just not good for all around gaming. It's a cheaper alternative. Face buttons are more of a pain in games that need right analog and face button input, especially Souls games where you claw the buttons to sprint but still have camera control(using your index finger). Oh, and most importantly. The analog sticks on XBox have larger deadzones, which easily means less sensitivity for better sniping and small adjustments.
Best advice, don't be biased and believe the XBox controller hype. It really isn't "better". It's still a really good controller though. Don't hold the DS4 with a death grip like many XBox gamers do, it's not the same handle, as can be seen by the DS4 round handles and XBox curled handles.
Oh, and it's evidently present that only XBox gamers obsess over controllers so much, which is why 3rd party controllers are so popular on XBox and PlayStation 3rd party controllers receive way less marketing since those gamers are clearly content and not brag-posting about controllers to have false sense of superiority. This is why 3rd party controllers on PlayStation still have asymmetrical sticks. Because, despite a far bigger userbase on PlayStation, the gamers on XBox buy into controller hype and spend the money on all the "pro" controllers. Companies see less success on PlayStation 3rd party controllers and just use the same units for their PlayStation offering, just with the different wireless standard.
The normal controller has rumble in the triggers, too.
PS4 controller's shoulder buttons (R1 and R2) are also better than the Xbox One controller's equivalent.
They should sell the box without the piece of crap that is kinect, that's what they need to do and stop with this "Entire World of New Experiences Becomes Possible" BS
Kinect is amazing . I got home and while I'm taking my coat off. I say " Xbox on" and my tv Xbox one and cable box turns on automatically