GIB - "We speak with industry veterans about the console sales slump in recent years, if innovation has been a problem, and what next-gen will do for business"
Xbox One X pre-orders are pleasing GameStop, even if the new console is causing the standard Xbox One to underperform against PS4.
Then the beast will be unleashed!
The most powerful console in world it will be one amazing console, will be the best place to play 3rd party games,racing games and fps with a great online network that is not tacked on.
Thrust - 'the best place to play 3rd party game's' - surely that's a little disappointing to type?
Try almost 4 years of embarrassing xb1 sales. After the holiday rush the xb1x will be the next disappointment.
@thrust
Well, at least you're staying positive. Wonder if 3rd parties will put in the extra effort for a console that will have the least consoles sold in the market? I guess we'll just have to see if your boast will pay off.
Wow who gives a shit how well xyz is selling. Get the consoles and games you enjoy people and let others do the same. If one is selling bad it's up to the company to sort that out not us gamers we are the ones who should sit back relax and have a controller in our hands playing the games we like the most on the consoles of our choice
This is an opportunity for them. If they really push this momentum and expand the trade-in program maybe they can get the majority of Xbox fans on X and then do a few X exclusives.
It's odd/ironic seeing Xbox shills go crazy over resolution. If they cared about resolution so much they wouldn't have bought an Xbox One 4 years ago. I guess they need something to grasp on to because it's looking pretty bleak for them. But I can't really blame them for wanting a new console since the Xbox One is garbage.
It's funny everyone has been screaming how their going to be playing on the most powerful console ever come November. But I've been playing on the most powerful console for the past 3 years.
Did you even read it? Xbox base is doing poorly because people are waiting on X. That's going to mean poor sales on base due to X. So no knock out for the base at all. Hopefully good stuff for the X.
Chris, I am not sure follow you here. Aren't you guys saying the same thing. He isn't saying the unit itself not the base assuming they migrate over. You know it to me that we might get a situation that Aaron may be wrong and X is the driver or we may get a situation where he is right and S with its much cheaper price sells more during the bargain seeking season that is November.
***Chris, I am not sure follow you here. Aren't you guys saying the same thing. ***
***knockout for Xbox 1***
***successful X This season***
A 'knockout for' anything is success. It means they are doing the 'knockout, not being knocked out.
Perhaps there's some confusion in that, but that's how it is read based on what he said.
@chris no need to break down simple comprehension to them, it's just going fall on deaf ears and bad learning.
I still think if your going to purchase a PS4 or and X1 it's bset to purchase the original PS4 and the X slim. The Slim is getting dwarfed but I still think it's a pretty nice piece of tech. They are making a HUGE mistake by not keeping the Slim relevant.
Same thing happened to PS4 Slim when Pro launched. A few weeks down de road and the Xbox One S will be the best selling Xbox One console again. :)
X1X has been coming since June 2016. Didn't stop Xbox One S from beating PS4 in a few NPDs last year. Xbone low sales is the result of a much larger issue, not because of Project Scorpio or X1X. PS4 sales didn't slowed last year because of Pro. LOL. Pro was announced in September last year. XboneS beated PS4 in July and August last year. So, it's before Pro.
Pro was leaked as "Neo", not announced officially like Project Scorpio with official specs. Slim was stolen few weeks before official announcement, yes.
But a majority of buyers knew the pro was coming out so it slowed sales of org PS4 also. Same is happening with Xb1s and XB1X. But in the end XBX1 will sell more in Nov & Dec, then it will be back to the norm of PS4/Pro outselling XB1/XB1X here on out. But if Sony drops price of Pro by $50 who knows what will happen in Nov/Dec?
@butchertroll
"Pro was leaked as "Neo", not announced officially like Project Scorpio with official specs."
The "Neo" specs was leaked before the official announcement, no?
Youre spot on and xouldnt have said it better myself.
The xb1slim tanked in #s just after the holidays and i see the "beastly" xb1x doing the same thing. All it offers over the slim is better resolution... If yall xbox dudes wanted better resolutions clearly you went and bought a ps4pro or pc... Sooo whats left is the x amount of xb1 consumers that didnt upgrade...
Now, the xbox dudes are grasping at straws why the xb1slim is failing... Cant wait to hear their excuses 6-12 months from now.
Sony had it's strongest holiday of sales ever last holiday. Probably part of it was due to PS4P, but only about 20% of the consoles sold were that version, however, actual sales for that period were up more than 20% from the years prior. They had record software sales as well.
Where is this notion that people were waiting it out for PS4P coming from? For the most part, Sony's reported PS4 sales have been pretty consistent YOY, with spikes when big games drop, and then the big spike when they released the PS4P.
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But a majority of buyers knew the pro was coming out so it slowed sales of org PS4 also. Same is happening with Xb1s and XB1X.
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It didn't. And PS4 sales didn't slowed before leak, official announcement and after. So, NO!
You didn't read what i wrote about X.
Again : X1X has been coming since June 2016. Didn't stop Xbox One S from beating PS4 in a few NPDs last year. Xbone low sales is the result of a much larger issue, not because of Project Scorpio or X1X. PS4 sales didn't slowed last year because of Pro. LOL. Pro was announced in September last year. XboneS beated PS4 in July and August last year. So, it's before Pro."
So, according to your logic, Xbone sales were slowed down after E3 2016. Project Scorpio announcement didn't affect Xbone sales. Xbone, one way or another, was outsold by PS4 anyway. Xbone low sales is the result of a much larger issue
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The "Neo" specs was leaked before the official announcement, no?
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Few of them ( cheaper and expensive one ), yes. But not announced straightforward like with Project Scorpio.
Fanboys and haters are never happy, always have to go on and on and on about the very things they don't own, believing that what they own can never be touched and that none of the competition can do anything better.
Can't see the xbox brand catching up to PS this gen...unless MS purchase some super high end Japanese properties or something huge like that...Very doubtful...What i do see is the X selling significantly better than the Pro and by the time Sony starts the "next gen" race in three years, Xbox consoles will be a quite a bit closer to Sony's consoles than most people thought possible. X is going to do well.
X will probably sell at the same rate as pro or a little less. Seriously if you look into GameStops comment pleased isn't much praise
The X sold in one hour what the pro have sold in 2017 on Amazon. The X Will outsell the pro by the end of this year.
That seems pretty spot on. It'll sell a little more than the Pro initially, then it'll be a little less.
GS is always pleased or excited over new hardware launching. It tends to push business into their store. I've never seen them say bad things about new hardware....even the WiiU.
If something wasn't selling well, they wouldn't say so, because it doesn't help them sell systems if people think something isn't that popular, or they can easily wait it out to buy.
or ever - they just have the wrong way of looking at gaming. They can't seem to grasp or don't want to grasp what makes a console maker successful. Game's. It's that simple games. Is it easy to make a good game - no.
But you've got to at least try.
this bs that Microsoft has no games is blown way out of proportion... Microsoft has some of the best exclusive games ever made. yes sony has more but exclusives aren't the reason Microsoft is losing this generation
they killed them selves out of the gate with there drm policies underpowerd and over priced console forcing
people to buy kinect.
3rd party games playing @ higher resolution on ps4 was absolutely the biggest factor in Microsoft
losing this gen to sony... just look @ 3rd party games they lead every single year in metrics charts
over exclusives it's not even close.
Microsoft tring to reach a broader audience with there underpowerd tv box for the living room was a don mettrics
nightmare for xbox and absolutely destroyed everything Microsoft had achieved with the 360
now Microsoft has seen power is why they lost the hardcore gamers and the x1x will help bring some of those hardcore gamers back.
this will not win this generation for Microsoft but it does help them going forward
and the biggest thing to take away from this is Microsoft has realized in today's market power does matter
and with there bankroll will never lose the hardcore gamer buy producing an underpowerd product
in the future.
xsta1ker - that's where your wrong, a few frames here and there, a little pop- in means nothing. The PS3 overtook the 360 because of exclusives, MS watching their lead dwindle year on year didn't wake them up to this fact.
But we have the most sales for COD and exclusive rights blah blah. Now Sony has that in the arsenal as well as exclusives.
MS are just looking for the easy way, they'll spend more on advertising/marketing than actual game development.
They are, and will always be 3rd in console gamers eyes.
@LastCenturyRob
"by the time Sony starts the "next gen" race in three years, Xbox consoles will be a quite a bit closer to Sony's consoles than most people thought possible. X is going to do well."
the gap is now over 30mil units worldwide. by the time the XboneX is out, I guess it will easily be over 35mil by then. the only way for the xbone to "be a quite a bit closer to Sony's consoles than most people thought possible" like you said is for it to start outselling the PS4 heavily or the gap is only gonna get wider. but how? I can't see the X selling well aside from the US and maybe UK but that's about it. I think instead of looking at the PS4, MS should be looking out for the Switch or how to at least get to 50 mil at the rate that they are selling.
I think you better lower your expectation as this gen is already done and dusted. the X is just another excuse for MS to save face this gen. I think they just wanna end the gen with at least "the most powerful console" title in the bag. they are outsold heavily, game sales have been tremendously huge in the PS4's favor and even their once most bragged exclusives in Halo and Gears are not selling gangbusters as they did last gen. I remember last gen when xbox fanboys were calling Uncharted as ripping of Gears's cover mechanic and it will never sell Halo numbers only to be humiliated this gen by UC4. ahh...good times! but hey...at least they have the most power now, right?
GameStop executives wax poetic on the success of the Nintendo Switch since its launch.
Replies(14)Good for them. They are banking on those accessories. I don't see me getting much, maybe a carrying case and one of those screen protectors.
I see me maybe buying 3 games by the time I buy a Switch. Rabbids RPG, Animal Crossing and SMTV if its out by then, so.....well that would be 5 "accessories" for them then lol
Got a switch last month still only have zelda, but will be getting mario+ next week and whenever the physical sonic mania game comes, and golf story comes I'll be getting both of those.
They may not have the quantity of options as the competition but they definitely have the quality. Zelda is one of the best games ever and have about 50 hours in and no where near finishing the game.
Nice!
I ended up getting Zelda on Wii U instead, I beat it a little while ago. Beat Sonic Mania a few days ago on PS4....that game is just....EPIC CLASSIC SONIC! Post how that Mario Rabbids RPG game is like!
@_-EDMIX-_
I get why you are waiting. Maybe a cool color option will be available for you.
I got mine day 1 just because I wanted Zelda on the Switch and could afford it. Mario Odyssey looks pretty dope and more like Mario64.
I hope they bring Smash Bros Wii U. That is one of the most understandable rereleases to me because it is already such a well balanced game with 50+ fighters. But just add more over the systems lifetime.
Also, when you buy a Switch, get a Pro Controller. It's on the level of a PS4 controller.
@Uken- "I get why you are waiting. Maybe a cool color option will be available for you"
Actually just more games. I only buy Nintendo portables for Animal Crossing, Kirby etc. Some games look good like Rabbids Mario RPG game, but not enough to buy it right now, but will buy it Animal Crossing comes out. I ended up getting Zelda on Wii U and beating it. I played it on Switch a few times and I'm happy to have just waited considering.
I have a short list of Nintendo games I do want for it, but Animal Crossing is when I buy. Did it for DS and 3DS, will do the same for Switch. I use to only like the console Animal Crossings, but New Leaf did it right. For the most part, I simply didn't like not being able to have the gameboy player to just play it on TV, but with Switch being able to out to the TV....not a issue, plus after New Leaf, I like the concept of a portable Animal Crossing and put like 300 hours in it.
"Also, when you buy a Switch, get a Pro Controller. It's on the level of a PS4 controller."
I already planned for like 3 accessories and now its up to 4 lol
I want to just use the regular controller set up as much as I can as I don't really see me playing much action type games to really need that controller, but I might get one used if a game comes out that I want to play it with. Animal Crossing and Rabbids RPG are pretty passive games.
The other guy suggested you get a pro controller, I agree. What I don't agree with is saying it is on the "level" of a ps4 controller, it is 100x better than a ps4 controller. It literally was 3 weeks in before I had to charge my controller, compared to having to charge my ps4 one at least once a day. Also it feels perfect in my hand, more so than both the ps4s and xboxs.
So I wholeheartedly endorse getting a pro controller, the thing is a marvel
I still like the gamecube controller and actually wish they just kept using that one and make it wireless or upgrade it or something.
Good to hear the pro controller feels that good though. I might end up buying after if I can find a good one used or something. I plan to play a lot at home.
Didn't Nintendo claim the Wii U had a successful launch also ?, and in the end we all know how it end up. lol
lol
this is Gamestop saying they had the most successful. Based on their accessories and such.
You OBVIOUSLY haven't kept up with ANYTHING regarding the switch then, lol. Ignorance is bliss, I guess...
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From Nov. 2012-Feb. 2013 for Wii U yes after that NO
The Wii U sold 4.3m in it's first year. Switch did more than that in 2.5 month
Nintendo ain't claiming anything dumbass. It's game stop saying this. Typical brainless zombiefied sony fanboy.
GameStop has expressed to be impressed by the Xbox Scorpio, and the retailer believes that the console will have some great titles.
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Indeed.... I hope they have a lot of games to show it's power.
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Yeah, a monster in hideous looks perhaps. As far as tech wise, it sure is a GDDR5 beast just like the original PS4 has been since 2013.
Like the Pro that went with 1GB DDR3 for extra over the base PS4?
But you say Scorpio will sport GDDR5 along with extra like the Pro saw? Hrm... Kinda seems like you're clearly stating PS4 will become the inferior console then downgraded portions of their mid-gen upgrade.
That GDDR5 helps perfectly replicate PS3 games though yeah? How about PS2 & PSOne games? Gives you native 4K? Plays a 4K Blu-Ray? Does great things for much outside of graphics that it doesn't max out?
Forgot about the 4k Blu-ray thing... I might bite but I'd need to see some exclusives outside of Halo/Forza/Gears/Crackdown. If the next Mistwalker game is XB-only I might... MIGHT bite.
@Exvalos: The original Xbox One contains Jaguar
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With a better gpu/cpu that has a memory buffer of 320gb OVER 100gb more then PS4Pro!
Scorpio in a way has the power of putting a PS4Pro and PS4 together
@BigWan78 I would need to have had a past "relationship" with any Xbox console for that to be the case (you know, the way it is with EVERY single Xbot out there that either guaranteed had a PS1 or PS2 back in the day before Gears of War came out in 2006 and changed thier lives forever).
It would make more sense for you to claim I was jealous but then, what would i be jealous of exactly with the games I've got on PS4 in early 2017 alone? And we still have TLOU Pt II, Days Gone, Spiderman, God of War, Detroit Become Human and Dreams on the way.
@Crotaaa Yet your comment history shows plenty of bias toward hating Sony so you honestly think you are the one to be saying that???
Preparing myself for a $600 price tag for the Scorpio; can't see it any cheaper than $600.
Microsoft is worth $510 billion; Sony is worth $34.1 billion
Really puts it in perspective doesn't it?
Apple and Google are worth more than both, it's completely irrelevant. Microsoft isn't spending the same kind of money on the Xbox platform that Sony is spending on Playstation.
I wouldn't think so, remember its looking a tad more powerful than a PS4 with more easy room with its 12gbs of memory to work with. The question will be, will their be 2 models of it like a cheap one at 400 but with a 500gb hard drive and a 500 one with the 2tb or something.
A tad more powerful? It's a PS4 Pro and an additional PS4 worth of power out of the GPU. Now if there's an upgraded CPU and more ram it will be far more then a Tad bit more powerful
In terms of vs PS4-Pro I can only imagine it will be a tad better in practice. Some 1800p games will be 4K but because of checkerboard it's not going to make a huge difference.
Now if Scorpio maxed out the 6 TFLOPS by going 1800p and checkerboard with upgraded graphics, we'd see a bigger gap. But few games are going to be especially optimized for Scorpio. They'll get a miniscule res bump and that's it. By time MS comes with a beast app PS5 will be here and it's too little too late.
Devs already make games that scale for pc. Same process. When installed on Scorpio, it unpacks the highest settings.
@OmnislashVer36 Exactly, nail on the head mate. All these delusional people that think Scorpio is going to have mind blowing games when the games still have to target the lowest common denominator, the original Xbone.
@Kribwalker That's just it, we aren't talking about a generation difference in architecture like the PS4 is compared to the original Xbone. They are both the same GDDR5 with Scorpio clearly being higher in overall spec. But let me guess, back in 2013 "the Xbone and PS4 are practically the exact same thing".
I think it will be 500 but if they do 400 then it will sell at ludicrous speed. I personally think 500 is a good price with kinect and a elite controller. I still have my kinect but i still think it should be bundled. The elite controller is a must though.
I see it at $500. That's really the highest price they should go for this unless they want to lose a lot of sales. Only hardcore gamers will get it for $600. They shouldn't even bring this to Japan at all. Maybe is 2-3 years from now when it's about $300 or less then get ship a couple thousand over there. lol!! They won't buy it for $500 or even $400 so why bother.
Its going to be another month before we start to get more solid detail on what the final Scorpio will have under the hood.
No, going to be another 2 months of rumors. E3 will be concrete details. I just really wonder how they plan to market the thing. What is their end goal of it. Anything short of a full unveil and a clear direction.
What they need to do is start by showing some first party titles that look exciting and new. Just look at the original Xbox, Dreamcast, beginning of the PS3, all of them had more power than the competition but lacked in games. It is very easy to stay in this industry... make games.
Hype is building all aboard the scorpio train folks. The 4K beast is will be revealed in 3 months.
Gamestop excited. E3 gonna be lit.
Gamestop said it is a 4k machine, which is why they are excited for it. They also believe it will sell well.
Lol, indeed.
@ TheCommentator
Lol, at your naivety, indeed.
Liqu1d covered exactly why that is.
Yeah man! Can't wait to get more news on E3! Especially on the amazing games that are coming out!
Oh wait... I was thinking of a different console.
Like Cuphead and what? Are we missing something here??? "amazing games that are coming out"? You mean another Crackdown sequel by NOT the original game's team again? That's already "amazing" to you?
Yeah right? Those amazing games from last gen being offered with backwards compatibility at no additional cost.
Oh sorry. Just realized I'm talking about the company written about while you aren't. 🙂 Definitely not the same company. I forgot the other doesn't allow you to merely play those same games again without a cost being involved somewhere.
But hey! Enjoy the limited exclusive Crash from the 90s and Wipeout from the same era. I'm sure $40 each isn't too much.
Lol @ people taking it so seriously. Kionic is my brother from another mother.
I do have to say @TheUndertaker, you making fun about exclusives is just silly. I mean, I expect that from Kionic, but you should know better
HA...
Oh Lord Phil has prepared a slew a banquet feast of games.
Overfilling the chalice!
Are they really exclusive if they're available on PSOne along with playable on PS2 & PS3? I'm confused as that seems to be the PlayStation ecosystem but oddly Xbox & Windows aren't considered the same as it's not the same platform.
Because if so Xbox has many more exclusives that PlayStation fanboys choose to label as cross platform while products like this are somehow "exclusive". Further with titles moving to PS Now then playable on PC are they still exclusive as it seems that's exactly what MS has been doing but natively and with less cost to the end user.
But, you can pay for those titles again if you wish. The topic Scorpio will play past gen games just the same with no cost to the end user.
According to jason rubin tablets are going to take over in the next 2 years. i really hope console games are around for a very long while as fun as it is to play candy crush on the loo nothing beats sitting at a large hdtv playing on a DEDICATED games console
i dont understand, surely the sales that gta 5 gained more than prove that console gaming is still extremely popular!
save it from what???
PC gaming that's a joke
mobile gaming a bigger joke
Console gaming doesn't need saving as there is nothing wrong, sales probably slumped recently because last gen lasted around 8 years and nearly everybody that wanted one already had one.
no i believe it can't the problem that will always be is, that there is no problem , which ls insolvable