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Xbox One: Why the Hate?

Karam Elahi from SpawnFirst writes: "Yup. It’s getting a bit out of hand. The Xbox One and Microsoft bashing is hitting an all-time high. Gifs like the one below (definitely influenced by the recent news of the MS exclusive Titanfall rumored to also be running at 720p) are becoming the norm, paralleling the news these days."

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black0o3824d ago

it's all on M$
1st they abandon the x360 like 3 years agO
2nd a very disappointing revel ''Tv..etc''
3rd they invested more into a camera a F#%$ camera which lead to xbone to get low spec

and the PR team at M$ is kinda a joke and they tend to get things worst most of the time

zeal0us3824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

MS is a multi-billion dollar corporation I highly doubt the Kinect lead to the Xbox One getting lower specs. Not to mention it only takes 10% of system resources. If MS wanted to build a stronger system they definitely had the funds to do it. Why they didn't is a good of a question as any.
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Why the hate?
- $499(higher in other countries)
- Kinect being force on users who more than like will leave it unplug/not use it.
- System is weaker than its main competitor
- To get the "full experience" XBLG is required
- Certain features that are free competing consoles are not free on XB1
- Lower resolution on popular titles
- Bad PR since May conference
- MS-NSA privacy scare

black0o3824d ago

u get it wrong, u see the kinect cost more 40% of the manufacturing cost which leads to price tag .. if u take kincet out of the PIC, x1 'd sell around 299-350$ which 'd given M$ more room to throw better GPU or CPU OR better/bigger RAM

but M$ went with weaker GPU/ram to keep the cost at minimum so they can add the kincet

bobsmith3824d ago

-doesnt come with rechargable controller or battery pack you have to buy it seperatley $25
-bigger than ps4 cant stand it vertically
-old headsets don't work on it ps4 does
-old racing wheels wont work ps4 does
-no free games with gold thats old 360 games theyre not gona give xbone games
-non removeable hard drive

Eonjay3824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

The decision to enforce Kinect really puzzles me. The technology is interesting but it hasn't proven itself as a innovation despite being out for years. Was the failure of the original KInect a result of the camera not being powerful enough? Really? I don't think so.

When you look at the games that employ it its "fullest" potential, you wind up with horrible garbage like Fighter Within (we all shudder at the thought of anyone paying cash for this Frankenstein of a monstrosity). Therefore it is a gimmick.

There is 0% chance that it will defining gaming. Gamer's don't want to be transported into a game, they want the game to come to them. After all, life isn't an impression of a game, its the other way around. Now Microsoft has to ride this bad decision and somehow convince people that its WORTH paying more for a weaker product.

aceitman3824d ago

we should ask ms the same question y all the hate towards gamers , but then it backlashed and they weren't selling systems and then they did the 180's.
gamers made xbox grow and then ms left them in the dirt the last 3years .

PoSTedUP3824d ago

people arent just hating the X1, they are also hating MS. everyone should have to learn the hard way and it looks like MS are in the process of doing just that. for such huge mistakes they need to do a lot more to make up for it than what they seem to be doing. also get rid of their highly douchy and unlikable PR team that seems to just throw gasoline onto a burning xbox one. all they do is lie or spin, they really just need to stfu. as if MS havent been acting like a joke enough, they litterally just make it worse. MS went from a wolf in sheeps clothing to a wolf in a wolfs clothing and they have no one to blame but themselves.

this is just my speculation on other people, my hate doesnt count bc i always hated them and would never buy an xbox. there is a lot of hate comming from xbox gamers themselves, all it takes is one wrong turn to get completely lost.

Pintheshadows3824d ago

I'd give them more leeway if it weren't for the Windows 8 picture viewer.

Honestly though, I think the reasons are quite obvious at this point but when all is said and done, X1 owners will love their console and PS4 owners will love theirs.

And on both sides fanboys will still ruin perfectly legitimate discussions about both of them.

PoSTedUP3824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

yeah i did state the obvious... its gonna be hard to find legitimate discussions involving MS when all of the hate from the community is so widespread. very few people want to have legitimate discussions, they just want to hate, but also MS is constantly giving people reasons to. there was one small time where good things started to happen for them but was followed by a wave of more negitive things... now its just a norm to hate on them. ps fanboys always have, but this is bigger than just the fanboys, this is a good percentage of the industry.

rainslacker3824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

I don't hate the X1. There are games on it I would like to play, and it seems like a decent enough machine overall with some good features.

But, MS had dredged up a lot of the old reasons why I've always disliked them. I have never really hated them before, and now I am angry at them for what they tried to do to the gamers in their own interest. I'm old enough to remember when MS was a hated company among most people, way before the internet was really even a thing. 180's or not, they made their ambitions clear as day to me and many others, and it isn't something that I care to support. MS is persistent, and they will try to achieve their goals in some way or another.

I have no problem with companies wanting to make the most money possible, but not when you have to screw over the consumer to do it.

MizTv3824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

They lost me with the whole rrod fiasco
I just can't trust them

Deltaohio3824d ago

The kinect has absolutely nothing to do with why the X1 is as "weak" as it is. The only reason why Sony has a substantial leg up is because of the GDDR5 RAM. Which no one should forget that although Sony was going for a "primarily gaming" platform they were also going to only have 4 GB of RAM. they could only get 8 GB at the eleventh hour. MS chose DDR 3 cuz they wanted 8 GB. Since the beginning (before 8 GB of GDDR 5 was available) they put DDR 3 into their plans. They couldn't just change from DDR 3 to GDDR 5 without a major over haul.

Biggest3824d ago

What you just said makes absolutely NO sense. None.

Deltaohio3824d ago

@biggest

Then I'll make it simple. When MS drew up the X1 they wanted 8 GB of ram. Well the only chunks of 8 GB of ram available was DDR3. So they chose DDR 3 early on. They had no choice of GDDR 5 at that time.

Sony wanted 4 GB of GDDR 5 when they planed the PS4. It wasn't until late last year that they were able to get 8 GB. why? Cuz no one made it yet. Sony got lucky.

solar3824d ago

because Sony does no wrong. ever.

rainslacker3824d ago

Of course they do things wrong. I'm a Sony fan and can admit that. However, the good things they do far outweigh the bad.

Pogmathoin3824d ago

When you use $ constantly people glance over your comment as nothing more than a fanboy rant.... But its allowed here...

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Majin-vegeta3824d ago

Too expensive for weak hardware.

DigitalRaptor3824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

It's more like "Microsoft: Why the hate?". But that would be a stupid and naive question to ask, since it's nothing short of staring us in the face, and has been for years.

- 95% of the free features are hidden behind the Gold paywall regardless of if you were going to already pay for online or not.
- The Kinect is not optional to your console purchase, and it ensured that the console is noticeably underpowered and more expensive, by $100.
- The years upon years of planning anti-consumer measures to control your the way you purchased and owned your games.
- The lack of concern for global acumen.
- The dashboard was designed with advertisements in mind, and Microsoft execs plan to use the Kinect as a goldmine for advertising, despite the fact that you will be a paying subscriber to their service. They make money off you buying their games, they make money off you paying for XBL, but it's not enough without shoving NUads at you (even though you're a premium subscriber), to make money at your expense.
- No real showing of the cloud they keep going on about. Dedicated servers look to be the extent of it all.
- DRM is still in the console when it ships, and they've admitted to wanting to bring it back to fulfil their original vision.
- The MS execs are purposely lying and obfuscating the truth as a PR/marketing tactic and hoping its consumers are gullible enough to latch on to it. They're even trying to get discerning, hardcore gamers to believe their condescending bulls**t.
- Microsoft are more concerned about "broad entertainment play" than gaming, so much so, that they designed their console around that rather than gaming.

It's all Microsoft - but people will point the finger at anyone but the company they are loyal to support.

MRMagoo1233824d ago (Edited 3824d ago )

http://www.memecenter.com/f... thats all i have to say on the matter of "journos" changing their tune about the power differences, when at the same time even on this day there is probably an article telling ppl to get a 360 version of something because it has an extra rock in it and 4p more lol

Pintheshadows3824d ago

We have put up with a whole generation of comparisons for multiplatform games which were always decided by the tiniest inconsequential difference. Be it sub HD on one hand or slightly better textures on the other these tiny differences made...a difference.

Now these things are far more significant (I expected 1080p last gen what with my 1080p TV and all) and the gap in quality is far wider, it no longer matters.

I don't know whaat to think at the moment. It makes me a bit depressed but at least people are beginning to say 'wait a minute, why doesn't this matter anymore? It did for the last 7 or 8 years.'

rapidturtle3824d ago

Forcing Kinect on the consumer is a big reason. I still see it as nothing more than a gimic. Then charge $100 more than Sony, and have a less powerful system? That's shooting yourself right in the foot. Goodbye Xbox, hello PS4 !!!!!!

solar3824d ago

i thought you console gamers only care about gameplay? what does a less powerful system have to do with gameplay?

Minecraft has sold almost 10 million copies and it looks worse then DOOM.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7218h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle5h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga4h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1017h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac6h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic22h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9021h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

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purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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