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The Steam Machine: Great in Concept, Not Reality

TJark Hartmann From RaptgamersUnited.com expresses his opinion on the new Steam machine. In his own words: Ah, the Steam Machine. In case you aren’t in the loop, the steam machine is now the official name of Valve’s new product which was called ‘Steam Box’ before. I personally like the name Valve gave their new product. It’s got a nice ring to it. Now, when it comes to the actual Steam Machine.. not so much, and I’ll tell you about that later. But first, let’s get into what a Steam Machine is.

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wtopez4245d ago

Ah yes. Another article writing off the Steam Machine. Even though it's being built by a company that's centered 100% around gaming and has been enormously successful at pretty much everything they've done, some people don't see it happening because the controller is weird.

bganci4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

The real issue with the steam machine is the cost. This product most likely wont reach a new audience and will be for the current PC gamers. The guts them self cost over 2000$.

starchild4245d ago

This isn't a console. Some of you don't seem to grasp this. It isn't a traditional PC either.

It is a PC in a more console-like form factor, with a game centered operating system, and can easily be connected to the tv and controlled by a new kind of gamepad.

This is for all of those people out there who are interested in PC gaming--and believe me, there are a lot of them--but who have so far been intimidated by certain aspects of traditional PC gaming.

I see console gamers all the time talking about getting into PC gaming, but many of them say that they don't know how to build a PC and they don't want to have to play with a keyboard and mouse or sit hunched over in front of a tiny monitor at a desk.

The Steam Machines are for such people.

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Orpheus4244d ago

PC gaming is a large market by itself. Even though it will reach console gamers, it doesnt need to , to be successful.

Godmars2904245d ago

Are you talking about the company which both broke a promise concerning DLC for a popular title, release it as a new game instead, or failing to release the third installment of another popular game?

Just as no company is perfect, one which cater to a specific market are not universally known by the general consumer.

And then there's the massive misconception PC gamers have in regards to their own hobby. Not everyone is going to plop down a grand or even $400 for something they're going to have to fret over. Spend another $400 to play a new $60 game, either spending more to install the new part which was old when they bought it.

wtopez4245d ago

"Are you talking about the company which both broke a promise concerning DLC for a popular title, release it as a new game instead, or failing to release the third installment of another popular game?"

I don't see how that impacts what Valve is trying to do with the Steam Machines. I'm more impressed with what it has done in the past 8 years with the creation and growth of Steam, the actual games that they have released or what they're trying to do in regards to hardware. Apparently you're very hard to impress but very easy to disappoint.

"And then there's the massive misconception PC gamers have in regards to their own hobby. Not everyone is going to plop down a grand or even $400 for something they're going to have to fret over. Spend another $400 to play a new $60 game, either spending more to install the new part which was old when they bought it."

I don't know where you're getting this idea from but literally no PC gamer believes that it's easy to "plop down" $400 or $1000. The only massive misconception here appears to be your understanding of what a PC gamer really is.

The fact is that every PC gamer has a Steam Machine. It's as easy as installing the free Steam OS that Valve will release later on, either on a separate SSD/HDD or by dual-boot.

Godmars2904244d ago

Just because I'd rate a game 8/10 doesn't mean that I wouldn't love it much less buy it. Same with Valve, who really haven't done anything but make an online marketplace.

And the fact that you have a PC and apparently are either willing or think others will buy a product when prices have yet to be announced says that a lot of PC gamers don't know themselves.

ATi_Elite4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

Hardcore PC Gamer's Opinion:

1. All Steam Machines will play or stream pc games. Backwards and forwards capability is priority ONE.

I already Stream Games from my BEAST PC to my HTPC so i can game in the living room. Steam machine makes it easy so it's no big deal.

2. It's still a PC so you can use what ever controller or KB/m that you want to and that includes Dualshock 4 or XB1 controller. PC or Steam Machine = You have OPTIONS to do what YOU want to.

3. All Steam Machines are upgradable and future proof. Just slap in a new CPU or gpu and Boom your good.

4. Steam Machines are great because you can buy one that is Game ready and fits into your budget then customize later on down the road.

5. customization, upgradability, backwards capability, mods, etc. are all important PC gaming traits and Valve has retained all of this in it's FREE Steam OS.

6. different models and manufacturers means different prices so there will be competition to give gamers the best product for the right price.

if Dell has a Steam machine that cost too much then HP will beat that price or Gateway will beat that price or Rosewill or Corsair or Asus or Gigabyte or MSI or Lenovo or etc..

Valve is not making one size fits all machines so every Hardware manufacturer can make their own configuration and price level. You have choices.

if you do not find a Steam Machine that fits your needs or budget then just build your OWN PC and install the FREE OS.

This is so easy for consumers. I wish all products had this many options.

The SteamOS is what is Important because the OS is a dedicated GAMERS OS unlike Windows which is a business/multi-tasking OS that does good gaming stuff but has FLAWS. Steam OS corrects those flaws and makes things universal NO matter the Hardware or software because it's GAMING FIRST unlike Windows which is gaming SECOND.

7. It's a FRIGGIN PC so therefore it does more than play games so STOP crying if the price is over $400 cause your gonna get more value outta a $600 PC that does EVERYTHING than a $400 toy that ONLY plays games.

try burning a DVD or doing your taxes on a XB1, it's NOT happening but a Steam machine will do these things and more plus play your favorite games so the extra cost justifies the means and long term savings from CHEAP STEAM SALE games puts it all into perspective.

Steam Sale = 15 games for $70 so SHUT UP with the cost issue.

8. If your NOT a Hardcore PC Gamer then DO NOT post your lies about PC Gaming or Steam machine. I'm a dedicated, Exclusive PC gamer, I know what I'm talking about so ask me if you have ANY questions about Steam machine.

It's the most versatile product to fit your gaming budget after building your own PC. Customization, freedom, and control are important to PC Gamers and Steam machine retains ALL of this.

9. Steam Machine is here to help ONLY those Gamers looking to get into PC Gaming the EASIEST way possible. I already have a BEAST PC so I only need the FREE OS but if I didn't I would buy a Steam Machine that fits my needs and budget and be happy.

10. Do not compare STeam machine to consoles cause Steam machine is the NEW entry Gate to PC Gaming and PC Gaming is a different world from consoles. (even though 90% of the console games are on PC)

11. If you like console games ONLY then go buy a PS4 or XB1 and enjoy the great Next Gen console experience but if your looking to get into PC Gaming then buy a Steam Machine or if your advanced then build a Gaming PC.

PC Gaming is all about Choices and control so YOU the Gamer can get the BEST GAMING EXPERIENCE to fit YOUR budget.

KONAAs4245d ago

well my $400 toy has kept me happily playign gor over 5 years now didnt have to worry of updating it i can even use hulu, vudu, amazon instant video, youtube, nhl, even nfl, blurays, ur pc cant play blurays unle su upgrade the drive, if i wana do my taxes i send tem to h&r block long form taxes are a bitch, and guess what i can play in ym 50 inc tv rigt from my bed, ahh the comfort, now stop tryign to say pc gaming is better to each their own, ohh i can eve surf the web on the $400 toy

mechlord4245d ago

Honestly i dont see the appeal of these boxes..

-anyone can build a respectable gaming rig for less than some of the prices thus far announced

-why do i need a pc labeled steambox if i can do everything it does with a good pc? the only advantage i see here is size& portability, plus the sexyness of it

-is this a console or a pc? because to me its seems like a console for pc gamers...

-which brings me to this question: whats the use of having boxes with so different power cabalilities and still say steam guarantees the same experience all across the board? cant people see this is basically a lie? i mean, 6xx/i3 vs titan/i7 ??

I see this just bringing more fragmentation on PC land

bganci4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

I understand what you are saying but you are not factoring in the Price!

DeadlyFire4245d ago

Valve is wise really. How many retail stores sell PC hardware? With Steam Machines they could all sell a steam machine box ready for gaming. As no retailer I know of does this currently. As most stores I have known just recommend me to the internet if I can't find a piece of PC hardware.

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vegnadragon4245d ago

I see it as a PC in a box/console form. I can buy any other PC or build one and install steamOS for cheaper. It defeats the purpose of buying one.

WitWolfy4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

This is basically an Openelec OS but for gaming.. I welcome it so stop bitching about the price of the actual pre build model, download the free OS, install it on your current PC and enjoy! Thats what I am going to do..

neogeo4245d ago

Don't forget Valve is a privet company with profit. They don't need to cater to investors. They won't make millions of Steam boxes day 1; let them sit on store shelf's. Valve will follow supply and demand. If the demand is high then will build more steam boxes. If the demand is low they will build less. So either way they won't be sweating bullets like the Big 3 if sales are slow because they have no stock prices to drop. Doom and gloom articals have zero effect on the company.

Rubberlegs4245d ago

http://imgur.com/r/Steam/YJ...

The guys issues is with the controller not having enough buttons? It has any many buttons as any current controller and its design so that you that you need to move your thumbs around to those different buttons.
That image above shows exactly how its meant to work. Counting the track pads and touch screen it has a total of 16 buttons. That's more then what a 360 and PS3 controller have.

Sarick4245d ago

Does it have more then the DS4?

annus4245d ago

And can't the trackpads be turned into buttons? Like if you press it at the top you can trigger input? I think I read it had like 8 combinations for each track pad that can be used as buttons.

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Valve Makes Up for Steam Deck Repair Delay by Gifting Free Game

Valve gave a user Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 for free as compensation for the long wait during their Steam Deck repair.

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I had a similar experience when I initially pre-ordered my Deck. There was an issue during shipping and they offered me a customer service perk for the hassle and let me pick any game on Steam. It was super nice of them. I got a copy of Rime.

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89 million Steam account details allegedly leaked, but no one seems to know how

A LinkedIn post from Underdark AI made the discovery, stating that datasets are being sold for over $5,000 on a known black market forum.

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Cockney9d ago

Biggest hack in gaming history if true

Christopher9d ago

No personal details, mostly account names, no passwords. Likely would need other account leaks to hope that someone reuses a password with a similar account name on another already leaked service. While a lot of users, the data is useless. Kind of notably by the $5k request for the data.

FinalFantasyFanatic7d ago

Plus, if you have 2FA enabled, then you were at zero risk anyway, from what I've read, Steam isn't even recommending password changes as it's apparently unnecessary.

VariantAEC3d ago

@Christopher
Where are you getting that from?
The linked article above says, "The seller claims this is a “fresh” leak and says it includes usernames, passwords, two-factor SMS logs, message contents, metadata, delivery status, and other sensitive details." Which sure sounds like they might have a lot of other information. If this leak is legitimate I better stop hearing people falsely say PSN is the worst secured digital storefront (even though that hasn't been true for a very long time with far larger data breaches since 2011 all over the world including the Equifax breach which was several times larger).

VariantAEC3d ago

@FinalFantasyFanatic
That seems true only if you use Steam Guard. If you opted for T2A via SMS the article suggests it's time to make the switch to Steam Guard and of course change your password.

Christopher3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

From the credit URL: https://x.com/MellowOnline1...

The article doesn't do a good job of going into the updated detail, they just mention part of it.

Just because the seller claims something, doesn't make it true. If it truly contained that data, it would be worth way more than just $5k. SMS systems don't rely on getting passwords for accounts they're sending an SMS to, just the username, phone number, and timestamp info.

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Profchaos7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

You don't remember the psn hack I take it

Cockney7d ago

I do remember it being 77 million, thats why I made my comment

BlueDaBaDee8d ago

Update:
"Valve has now confirmed that “this was NOT a breach of Steam systems” and users do not need to change their passwords as a result. However, it continues to recommend that you set up the Steam Mobile authenticator for extra security."

https://store.steampowered....

Fishy Fingers8d ago

Shame. I liked the idea someone paid 5 grand just for my silly steam name.

DivineHand1258d ago

The government needs a taskforce with serious fundung that can opporate across borders to go after cyber criminals.

It is getting out of hand and it is the regular citizens of the world that suffer the consequences of these hacks and breaches.

My fear is that if left unchecked, state sponsored hackers from corrupt or governents under sections may use this as a method of raising revenue at the expense of everyone else.

Fishy Fingers8d ago

Bro teeing up a Mission Impossible movie.

ZeekQuattro8d ago

Not in this administration. If anything hes been dissolving existing task forces meant to protect consumers.

Amplitude8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Why? They’d just use the funding to funnel hundred of millions of dollars into fake NGOs that then funnel it into democrat pockets while doing zero cyber criminal defence work.

Then if anybody tried to defund them it’d be a whole thing with the mainstream media claiming that there will be endless cyber attacks. NGOs would then fund protest groups to attack anybody that supports defunding the government’s cyber attack defence branch and then it would turn out it was also being used to stabilize or destabilize governments in other countries and overthrow elections to benefit America. Which is fine until they start using it on us again.

Let’s just not. Private companies who know what they’re doing (Valve) can deal with it

RIP USAID. God bless

Profchaos7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

It's not a may use this not we know state sponsored attacks do this already.

It's a global problem you couldn't have one government playing world police it would require joint collaboration with foreign governments and the problem is many laws have not kept pace with advancement of technology.

even then it's hard to say with certainty if an attack was a state sponsored attacks or a cybercriminal group operating outside of governments

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pwnmaster30008d ago

remember when certain groups were saying PC gamers don’t want other subscriptions because it was not safe and steam was the spot lol.

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badz1498d ago

it's time to riot, right, pc gamers??

pwnmaster30008d ago

Be careful, PC gamers are the most touchy out of the gamers lol

staticall7d ago

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@pwnmaster3000
Have you guys actually read what was «leaked»? It was SMS messages from 3rd party provider (not from Steam itself) with one-time 2FA codes (that are active for 15 minutes). No Steam account details, access to an account or any of that jazz.

Let me quote official Steam response:
«The leak consisted of older text messages that included one-time codes that were only valid for 15-minute time frames and the phone numbers they were sent to. The leaked data did not associate the phone numbers with a Steam account, password information, payment information or other personal data. Old text messages cannot be used to breach the security of your Steam account, and whenever a code is used to change your Steam email or password using SMS, you will receive a confirmation via email and/or Steam secure messages.»
Source: https://store.steampowered....

The only bad thing about this is the phone numbers. But while that sucks, attacker doesn't know which Steam account this phone number belongs to. IMO, the only thing people should be rioting about is how unprotected the SMS are and the 3rd party service that was used by Steam. I'm all for punishing people who screwed up and/or lacked the security. But this is not it.

FinalFantasyFanatic7d ago

Why riot? They have nothing of value, can't even steal an account with the details they have, they would have to attempt a brute force attack, you can already do that with a Steam user's account name (or any account on any site) if you really wanted to spend the time and processing power to do it.

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Creature Collector Fest hits Steam with some epic discounts

The Creature Collector Fest event has come to steam until May 19. Here are some epic discounted games to scratch the critter gathering itch.

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