Tech spec comparison between SteamBox and Next Gen consoles

Dali Dimovski writes:

"Wondering how the SteamBox compares to the Xbox One and PS4? Here's our cheat sheet comparo based off of the information currently revealed."

[yewles1]

Wow, that Wii U CPU/GPU... didn't they get the memo?

[Godmars290]

Didn't you: they built for the PS3/360.

[yewles1]

I was among the FIRST: Having 32MB eDRAM doesn't magically turn a triple core PowerPC 750 at 14.9GFLOP/s total into a POWER7, and the GPU's power range, can actually be put between an HD 3850 and an HD 4670 (and that's being generous in speculation)...

[lilbroRx]

That is a complete lie. The Wii U GPU was a downclocked clocked HD 4850 at the lowest, because that is what the dev kits were using up until at least e3 2012, 5 months before launch. The actual GPU wasn't finish until a few months right before the console launched in November.

If the Wii U GPU were any weaker than a 4850 that, then none of the games that had been in development on the 4850 GPU devkits would have run at all anymore. The Wii U GPU tech is actually more in the HD5550 - HD 6850 range in features set and performance.

Secondly, the CPU at the core for the GC was an "enhanced" PPC 750CL, not a plain 750. The Wii CPU(Broadway) was an enhanced CPU "based on" the GC CPU(Gekko) and the Wii U CPU(Espresso) is an enhanced CPU "based on" the Wii CPU(Broadway) with hybrid Power7 tech in it. Its 1.24 GHz and the maximum possible overclock that Broadway could get was 1.1 which caused it to produce extreme amounts of heat. If the Wii U CPU was just 3 Wii CPUs at a higher clock, it would mealt the console at 1.24 Ghz on top of providing next to know performance boost. The PPC 750CL's were not made to be overclocked.

Its like a gen 1 Core i5, vs a gen 2 Core i5, vs a gen 3 core i5. They are in the same CPU family, but they are in no way the same processors.

If the Wii U CPU wasn't stronger than the last gen CPU in real world performance, then it would be impossible for any of the ports put on the console to even work, muck less perform better like they usually do.

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/0...

It has been confirmed more than once that its performance is in between the PS3 and PS4. It is substantially stronger than the last gen consoles.

[yewles1]

THAT is mostly a lie. The GPU has only R600 registers and nowhere NEAR the ALU's to match the 4850, you were actually closer to the 5550 (ironically closer to the GPU in ALU) than the 6850 (WAAAAY off the mark, lol).

There is NOTHING POWER7 related in the Wii U CPU, and like I said, 32MB eDRAM doesn't count. Bringing up the 750CL doesn't change the fact it's STILL 750 based and was already "enhanced" then. It's still the same architecture in the Gamecube and Wii with only improvements in instruction count, core count, clockspeed and nowhere else.

Some ports are STILL suffering, regardless of how they work, and it's bottlenecks PREVENT it from being substantially stronger than PS360 as opposed to rather marginally.

[RaptgamersUnited]

Thanks for the comparison. Good to know how much I should save.

[triforce79]

WiiU has a custom E6760 with edram get ur facts right kid,have you seen Mario 3DWorld them graphics are Nextgen so are MK8,Bayonetta2,X,Smash,Windwak er,ect ect,WiiU also has edram cache on the cpu cores which is the future of power pc look it up.....wiiu has the edram with low system RAM solution that Sony or Microsoft spoke about remember over a TB of bandwidth RAM ???? yes slightly harder to develop for than ps4 but very powerful END OF,and more scope for optimizing ect then ps4 or 1's stock off the shelf cheap chips from notebooks.

[MasterCornholio]

Meh PS4 games look a lot better than Wii U games in my opinion. If the Wii U wasn't so weak it could get games like the Division, the crew, the witcher 3 etc. But sadly it can't handle those games. Nintendo should have went with x86 and a more powerful CPU and GPU like Microsoft and Sony for example.

By the way here's a fun fact, Ubisoft claims that the Wii U isn't a next gen console instead its in between gens. They said this when they were talking about what Watch Dogs would look like on the Wii U.

http://gematsu.com/gallery/...

Now this is just a first gen PS4 game now imagine what the second generation of games will look like.

If your going to defend the Wii U argue with gameplay not graphics otherwise you will never win the battle.

P.S I believe that the main reasons to get a Wii U isn't graphics (because the console is weak) but the unique controller and Nintendo games.

Nexus 7 2013

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Smh...on par with current consoles(finally),but not next gen.

[Studio-YaMi]

You're delusional if you think the Wii U is more powerful than the PS4 or XboxOne.

[Ulf]

Umm.. these specs don't match up with common sense.

A 450W PSU? Pretty certain the GTX 660, the least powerful GPU in that list, will be barely keeping its head above water, with that one. That's the bare minimum spec for it. The other GPUs on the list need a lot more juice.

In any case, "the Steambox", as a platform, would have to be the least of any machine listed. Any game made for it, has to run decently on a "i3" with a "GTX 660", etc.

Pairing a decent GPU, like the 660, with an i3 seems... like a bad idea. If the i3 is the limit, that means games would have to be designed to only optionally use more than 2 cores... basically meaning a better framerate only, because more AIs at once, more gameplay-changing physics, etc., would have to be the same on i3s and i7s. ..which would suck. Only fluff like framerate gets to have the extra muscle.

This is the classic "lowest common denominator" PC game design flaw, that some ignorant PC gamer wannabes never seem to understand, and make real PC enthusiasts look bad. Value would be fools to make Steamboxes that cost less than ~$1000, or, IMO, to make more than a single model.

If they try to build it too close to console costs, they are just going to make the Steambox look underpowered -- and then no one will buy it over the consoles. This just reminds me about how Steam isn't going away, just because there might be a Steambox. Why would I not build my own rig, with 50% reused parts (most of PSU, case, fans, GPU, HDD, Optical, audio, ...), again?

[ChickeyCantor]

Because you're not exactly their target audience, now are you?

Why do people like you over complicate things with elitism. The 4th reich of pc called and they want you back on the council seat. You can build your own system for the living room and put steam on it. What is your point?

Steambox is clearly geared towards those that are scared of getting into PC gaming ( mainly because of all the technical aspects). The whole idea behind steambox is to give the console effect while maintaining the service of game delivery steam has always given. They are trying to reach more people with steambox.

[Somebody]

It is a pretty weak PSU and traditionally one would expect it to be underwhelming especially with the Titans. They are beta machines and Valve allow the beta testers to upgrade at their own discretion.

Valve could either be wrong about the 450W power or...that is just the most what the SteamOS-based games actually needs. Everyone view this from the traditional Windows based perceptions but how about taking in SteamOS into consideration?

[AndrewLB]

A GTX660 only draws 140w. GTX 780 draws 250w. and Titan draws 250w. http://www.geforce.com/hard...

See, PC Gamers tend to go overboard on power supplies much of the time unless they're running 6 hard drives, 2 optical, and water cooling like I am. And I only have a 750w PSU for my gtx680, 16gb, i7 860, etc.

[Ulf]

The GTX660 draws 140W -- by itself, and all on the 12V rails. The nVidia min recommendation for a PSU is 450W. Most CPUs run in the 80-125W range, and that's in addition to the GPU. Then you've got the HDD, the Optical drive, the case fans...

450W is barely enough.

[Menaus]

I'll remind you that Valve has made their OS such that performance is much enhanced. This probably means that their processor indeed, does not need to be so strong in relation to the GPU.

You're thinking in terms of normal PC gaming, but you need to move to think in terms of what Valve has said about their operating system and such.

Of course, they haven't said much, so anything we say is worse than speculation at this point.

[thejoker1000]

1000$ price confirmed!!!

[MiHX2]

1 billion dollars confirmed!

[specialguest]

I will get disagrees confirmed!

[windblowsagain]

If it's only going to get the same games that are on pc i don't see the point tbh.

Consoles get the games that PC does not get.

And before everyone starts added this and that.

The PS4 will hold it's own.

I played the BF4 Beta last night on less specs then PS4 and had very good results.

Some of the settings are comical at best.

Blur amount, dof weapon,lol. who the hell cares about that.

PS4 will run BF4 high+ @60fps imo.

[MrMeToo]

Can someone explain exactly what the steambox is? Is it basically a high powered PC in console form?

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Think so.

[Somebody]

Steam Machines are PCs with SteamOS and gaming in mind. They are still ordinary PCs where you can build your own or buy from a select setups(not just high powered ones) approved by Valve which you can also upgrade later on. The ones we're talking about are just the first wave of prototypes while other configurations will be available later on.

Think of them as industry wide standard for PC makers and game developers to follow to ensure a much more pleasant experience for consumers.

[KillrateOmega]

So I upgrade my Steam Machine with new, Valve-approved parts later on?

If so, then I might consider getting one seeing as SteamOS has already caught my interest.

[cyguration]

Yes.

[Rageanitus]

new os for gaming
(for those who are too lazy to setup a media box in front of their computer or who think it PC has no place in the living room ;)

[clmstr]

Come on, stop posting these obvious "PC is ten times more powerful than next gen consoles" articles. I'm a PC gamer myself (actually I was a console gamer till the end of 2011, BF3 on PS3 was the last nail in my current gen console gamings coffin, I've sold it and built a beefy gaming rig and enjoyed the hell outta the best multiplayer shooter of 2011 and 2012) but you know there's no point in posting such kind of articles on a gaming news site which is primarily visited by console gamers.
There is no way you can drag a console gamer into PC gaming unless this very console gamer is disappointed in consoles in general and wants to move to PC, just like in my case (which is a rare exception).

[Skynetone]

well according to this pc gamer, 90% of pc gamers just buy the latest and greatest for no particular good reason, there called apple fanboys in other circles

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Rageanitus]

Sorry first off, where does he get this 90 percent......

And he made an important point the latest and greatest hard ware is not necesarily needed for those ppl who bought cards in the recent past!.

So guess what if you shop PROPERLY your hardware should last a good 4 years.

This is what console only players DO not see its an evolution of gaming. PC developers are always improving and at the same time hardware is improving, but not to the point where you have to upgrade every 6 months.

[starchild]

Your case isn't a rare exception at all. There are a huge number of PC gamers that used to only game on consoles. PC gaming has a lot of qualities distinct from consoles that would make it appealing to many gamers.

This idea that people are innately part of one demographic or another and have no interest in the other platform is just nonsense.

What Valve is doing is lowering or eliminating many of the barriers that have long discouraged many people from gaming on PC.

There has already been a huge growth in PC gaming over this past generation and a lot of that growth is very likely attributable to console gamers getting tired of the limitations of console gaming and wanting to take advantage of the mods and other aspects unique to PC gaming.

If you think the Steam Boxes won't attract even more console gamers over to PC gaming you're going to be very surprised.

[JackISbacK]

now you people stop complaining about the price .this console have no competition to other consoles ,valve is trying to provide us a whole different experience on steambox .that we all know from present gen of consoles .these people are trying us to give a high end pc like experience on aconsole ,they know the issues with pc ,and trying hard to give pc experience on conle but little faster that all the consoles are esier to use than on pc where you all wait for your pc to start and then you youse to wait for your game to start .here you will be more comfortable to be use and in esier way with better graphics then next gen consoles ,but still wat i believe is that there will be lot less games on this machine untill they tell us in future that every pc game will be running on steambox and you dont will need to buy a individual stembox disc

[pennywhyz]

PCs are Godlike

[CEOSteveBallmer]

is that so?? Can I play GTA V and the last of us on it?? also Halo 4 and god of war and gears of war? No?? uhmm how about the latest zelda and mario?? still no?? how about gran turismo and uncharted??. Funny regardless of how inferior a graphics is on a console, i could still play Skyrim, bioshock infinite, crysis 3, DMC, Tomb raider and its the "same" Game as on PCs. dont really care too much about the resolution and fps.

[megalonagyix]

GTA 5- will be available with better gfx and cheaper price
Last of Us - dont care
Halo 4 - crappy consolised fps
God of War - dont care
Gears of War - 1 was enough, it is on pc
Zelda and Mario - dont care about games for children
Gran Turismo - not into racing but i give you GT5
Uncharted - dont care

Skyrim: you're left with an awfully buggy port while we enjoy mods and better gfx
Bioshock Infinite: never played
Crysis 3: sucks on consoles
DMC: game sucks anyway
TR: never played

[pennywhyz]

Dont be mad.urghhhhhh.

[HeavenlySnipes]

lol @ mega

Yes, lets pretend that all the console exclusive games are forgettable because you can't play them on PC even though they sold millions and were praised by gamers and critics alike

I happen to play on both PC and consoles, but the better graphics on PC aren't much of a positive because you only get night and day differences when you play games like Crysis, or Assassins's Creed. The regular multiplatform games don't push PC's to the max so you won't be seeing a huge difference between the PC and console versions. (Unless its something like modded Skyrim which looks gorgeous)

Secondly, the consoles have the best games available to them imo. Some of thge most memorable gaming I've had was with MGS4, Uncharted 2, The Last of Us, Gears of War, God of War 3 etc. Now with the next gen consoles coming (which are pretty much medium spec PC's) even more PC only games will be hitting consoles.

[starchild]

@CEOSteveBallmer

So basically what you are saying is that you have to own every console to compete with the PC? Why are you adding every single exclusive from every console?

You can't play PC exclusives on any console and there are a TON of them.

You can't even play every multiplat on each console. The Wii and Wii U miss out on tons of multiplats. Even the PS3 misses out on multiplats.

You can't play Splinter Cell Conviction, Titan Fall, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, The Witcher 2, Project Spark, or Alan Wake on a PS3 or PS4, for example.

The point is, all platforms miss out on some games. The fact that some of you console fanboys list exclusives from every console in an attempt to "beat" the PC is just sad and ignorant. If you have to buy every console to beat the PC then you are going to be spending A LOT more money than you would buying a good PC.

@HeavnelySnipes

While megalonagyix might have discounted some console games that you or I enjoy, he is still entitled to his opinion. And besides, how is it any different than what console fanboys do? Whenever I list PC exclusives they just say "so what? those games suck anyway".

And you must have a very weak PC because the graphical difference in MOST games is dramatic. Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Alan Wake, The Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Metro Last Light, Far Cry 3, the Mass Effect series, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored, Battlefield 3, and basically any other game I can think of in my PC library all look and run significantly better on my PC than they do on consoles.

As far as exclusives, I have more exclusives I love on my PC than on my PS3 or Xbox 360. For me in terms of exclusives it goes like this: PC > PS3 > Xbox 360. So obviously it is simply a matter of preference. What is a fact, however, is that while each platform has its own exclusives the PC has the greatest number of exclusives released for it.

[AKR]

Why bother even doing the spec comparison?

It's a PC - an UPGRADE-ABLE PC, at that. The only thing that makes it different is that it's running a modified Linux OS.

It's impossible to make a fair comparison because while the "Steambox" can be upgraded, the PS4, X-One and Wii U can't. Their specs will remain the same until they're replaced by their successors. Besides, the architecture for consoles vs. PC are completely different. Consoles are built differently, with the objective of running games being the highest priority.

Of course, the Steambox, like any other gaming-PC is built with the same objective in mind ~ but once again, because it can be upgraded, as well as the fact it's running a full computer OS in the background, it handles that process a lot differently than a console.

[MakiSaad2]

PC Mustard Rice

[Garagleme]

When will consoles ever ketchup.

[mmj]

I like how the article gives detailed information about everything but just says "AMD Radeon" for Xbone/PS4 to make it look as though Xbone doesn't have a much weaker GPU than PS4.

[kewlrats]

If you have specifics, please feel free to let me know. I can update the chart. That's all the *official* info that I had on hand at the time. :)

[mmj]

I see you have already updated it, much better. :)

edit: Actually the Compute Units should be in the GPU column. ;)

[TechMech2]

Honestly I don't care too much about specs. Xbox one is weaker than ps4, but both are significantly weaker than the steam box. When I play PC games, I set all graphics on low so I can enjoy online multiplayer without lag. Specs ain't everything.

[jeffgoldwin]

Im going to just go ahead and give you most every coined phrase that you can cut and paste and use from now like every other brain washed rabbit console fan.

The ps4 is superior to xbone < PC specs are far superior to ps4 = Specs don't even matter to me; Console gaming is cheaper < PC games are cheaper, have lots of mods, and free online; I don't have to ever upgrade my ps4 < You don't ever have to upgrade your PC either if u don't want to; I can plug and play on my console < Welcome to a pc 10 years ago; I can play my console on the tv < welcome to 10 years ago on the pc.

That will get you thru 95% of the future threads you need. Now spread this rabbies virus to your other cronies. kkthanks~

[TechMech2]

@jeffgoldwin
I have a mac. Xbox has halo.??? Why do you care what I buy?

[thexmanone]

Bring on steam box. I can`t wait for this

[cactusjack]

my steambox (pc) only cost me 400 bucks.

[ssj27]

I can sale my PS3 woth 5 or 10 games at $200-$250 on craiglist and that will make my PS4 cos $200-$250 cheaper ..

So I can say my PS4 can cost me $200 .. what's your point?

[DOOMZ]

Isnt it called Steam Machine? Ill wait on reviews before I even considder it...

[AceBlazer13]

Might as well get both next gen consoles before shelling out that kinda cash, you get both exclusives only drawback is better graphics. What's the point of better graphics if all you have are multiplats and undemanding Indies and rts games.

[DomceM]

yeah good idea. Get both next gen consoles and pay 50-60$ per year for online for each. Also enjoy gaming on medium and eventually low settings.

PC has exclusive games too you know. You console gamers tend to forget that too often.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

They are speculating a price point of 799.00-900:00 USD at this price its a PC but does give owners the option to change out GPU cards.

[sigfredod]

i don´t think we can make comparison at this point since those specs are from beta kits, even there is several kits with different specs, most likely after the test and optimization the specs will be lower also the price, kind of when BF4 was shown on E3 with high end rigs nvidia, then on gamescom the rigs were more modest with the same result

[xkevmandc]

so here we go again,4 consoles. the market only big for 3.not 4 remember. Nintendo is in a market of it's own, if the STEAMBOX is successful. it going to come down to who got the CASH...and who's in MONEY TROUBLES will be on the way OUT!!! we all knows Sony money problems with the PS..

[DevilishSix]

32mb of ESRAM is a bandaid not a solution.

[Tzuno]

By the time consoles hit the selves they will be already obsolete compared to PC. It's all about the optimization and the graphic engine.

[cactusjack]

the average $200 - $500 dollar pc has a long way to go before making consols obsolete,

[Ulf]

It's laughable how many people disagreed with this guy.

You basically get a PC, with a low-to-mid range CPU and integrated GPU, for that. Competition with consoles... no. Lol.

[Adva]

Let me know when SteamMachines get Uncharted, Last of Us, God Of War, Halo and more :)

[DomceM]

Every platform has exclusive games. PCs included. That is why listing exclusives games is not an argument. It is stupid even.

Do you really need us to come and post all of the exclusive games on PC to make a counter argument?

Just realize its an invalid argument and next time dont bother posting it. kkthxggnorebai

[Tzuno]

This has nothing to do with power. What you say is mindless. Those games are made only for console because Sony or MS owns those developers, that doesn't mean that a PC could not render those games if the developers would go multiplatform. Heck i bet those games on Pc would look stunning compared to consoles.

[fullmetal297]

Why are people trying to use retarded analogies to justify the next generation shortcomings?

Here are the facts: The steam box is more powerful than the generation consoles.

It is using same hardware you'll typically on PC, but are intending on making an OS that makes developing games more accessible to developers.

Valve is aiming to centralize PC gaming with this console and all while providing services that Microsoft and Sony typically charges.

[DevilishSix]

What they announce something like three different builds with different PC parts, that is not a console. A console is the same unified build....not three different types. What they announced was a mini PC housed as a console with no unified build.

I am not knocking it, but just making an observation.

[fullmetal297]

I don't think valve can't possibly justify the prices for these units. $520 for an entry-level consoles is just too much.

The price of a steam box is too parallel with a PC with similar specifications. It begs the question "why purchase a steam box when I can build a PC with equal power and installing Steam OS?".

Valve should try and make a deal with these vendors and try to buys these parts in bulk reduced price the entry-level unit between the PS4 and Xbox ONE. Only this can the Steam can be competitive with consoles.

[Linwelin]

Because as someone has already pointed out this is not for your normal PC gamer who knows how to build a rig, it's for your average console gamer to jump into PC gaming without building a rig.

It makes sense to me and would love to see this taking off, the price has to be right though, if they can get it low + the added benefit of PC games being cheaper and, don't need to pay to play multiplayer.

[Obamanationn]

its not called the SteamBox get it right

[Bolts]

PS4 fanboys vs Xbox One= 50% moar power, specs matter!

PS4 fanboys vs Steam Machine= Specs don't matter....umm, teh exclusives!

The truth is that there is only one nextgen console, it's the Steam Machine. The thing is it's not a console at all, it's a PC. Mind, blown.

[mysteryraz11]

most people will buy the cheapest and weakest version and never upgrade it, so its not gonna really be that sucessful when theres so many different versions, plus all the games will be digital, on consoles you can sell your games at gamestop or online or stores in real life for money, cant sell steam games, so steam is irrelevant

[EximiusNebula]

Some comments here seem to be forgetting this is a linux based OS. The current library of games that support linux natively is very small compared to windows. I hope SteamOS will have massive support from developers so I can drop windows for good.

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

It will support all games. Steam wouldn't be doing this if games wouldn't run on SteamOS, that screw themselves over.

[annus]

Yay, this argument again. They have specifically said that 'some' games will work, and those that don't can be streamed from another computer. They are trying to get devs to support their older games, but the aim is to get future games to support it.

[Krosis]

I don't see Steambox succeeding...just a Pc with linux. At the price, it's better to just get a Pc. To me, there is simply zero incentive to buy one. I have a high end pc, and will eventually get a console (s) (I always do eventually). Steambox simply offers nothing unique to me....

[strigoi814]

well from what i know teenagers and younger wont be able to afford the mid upto the high end steam machines...even parents wont be that stupid to buy their kids those

[Hazmat13]

jesus tits this thing is fuckin beast. haha

[triverse]

It has been reported many times on the "This Week in Tech" and "Windows Weekly" by Leo Laporte and other hosts that the SteamOS will be available for home builders too so it negates the "standardization" that Steam Box is supposed to represent.

Sure, Valve can release and sell their own hardware variations but fans will still be able to install the OS on whatever they want without buying anything from Valve.

[Ulf]

So.. Valve better be selling these PCs with no profit margin, or serious gaming rig makers like Origin, Alienware, FalconNW, etc. will have a good laugh.

[annus]

"serious gaming rig... Alienware"

Valve will be able to make a profit and still be way under that overpriced crap.

[triverse]

That is something that the TWiT hosts brought up, that Valve would be much better off pulling a Microsoft here. Getting others to build the hardware and putting SteamOS on top of it, kind of along the lines of how MS is closely involved with what hardware went into each Windows Phone 8 device.

That is fine but considering they have plans to release the OS for free, it doesn't leave much incentive for PC makers like Dell to jump in.

[Dagobert]

So this is pretty much Alienware with Linux installed on it. Ok.

[JackVagina]

I want to know if games will be optimized for this thing, or will games purely run off its specs (like a PC)

[jjb1981]

so they're comparing a PC to consoles... hmmm... this is news?

[Mithan]

The PC blows away the console.

It also costs double or more.

[frankiebeans]

and the lower model steambox is lower speced than a ps4 and also more money.....

[ATi_Elite]

PS4 GPU is a AMD HD7850
Low end Steambox is a Nvidia GTX660

Here is a complete set of GPU benchmarks on ULTRA settings and you will see the GTX660 beating the HD7850 EVERY TIME except for Skyrim.

http://www.hardwarecanucks....

PS4 CPU = AMD A10-5800
low end Steambox = Intel Core i3 3220 (Ivy Bridge)

Here is a complete set of CPU benchmarks and they go back and fourth but on Gaming Ivy Bridge beats AMD A-10.

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

The Low End Steambox is actually a Higher Speced machine than the PS4 and YES it does cost more because a PC does more than just play games. Why do people NOT understand that?

The Ps4 is a great gaming console with power for a good price running games on Med/High in 1080p 30 or 60fps

The steambox COre i3/GTx660 model is a good gaming PC for $550 that can run most Games on Ultra in 1080p over 30fps with ease. You will need more Power to run Graphics Mods or to run at 60fps but still a great entry level machine.

[frankiebeans]

its actually not but if you want to fool yourself go right ahead

[windblowsagain]

Ati Elite.

You cannot bench PS4 because they are both custom chips.

CPU is not an A10-5800
GPU is not a 7850.

Because they are both custom which you cannot buy. that's a fact.

Stop telling porkies.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...