Microsoft to unlock more GPU power for Xbox One developers

EG:Xbox One reserves 10 per cent of graphics resources for Kinect and apps functionality, Digital Foundry can confirm, with Microsoft planning to open up this additional GPU power for game development in the future. This, and further graphics and performance-based information was revealed during our lengthy discussions with two of the architects behind the Xbox One silicon.

[majiebeast]

Wouldnt this destroy the balance?

[Magicite]

The less time for xbone launch, the more surprises M$ is announcing.

[Lalanana]

i got no complains with this. the more power the better. Keep it coming MS.

[pedrof93]

@Lalana

Actually no.

Its the same power, that was reserved to the kinect, and in the future will go to the games, its not more tflops.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

As long as the increases that come can't be detrimental to the hardware I don't have any issue with them

[Lalanana]

@pedrof93

so less power is better? Am i missing something..

why no? I do not understand why it would be no :-/

[awesomeperson]

@Lalanana

I believe what pedro is saying, is that this is actually confirmation there is *less* GPU "power" at launch than what was previously announced.

Microsoft are currently withholding 10% of their GPU for apps, to be given back later when this can inevitabley be optimised. We take the previously announced 1.31 TFlops and remove 10%, giving only 1.18 TFlops.

So Microsoft are shipping with a weaker GPU than specs say (1.18TFlops), and in the future devs will be given back some of that power (between 1.18 TFlops and 1.31 TFlops).

@geoergeenoob

Even though you're simply a troll, of course this doesn't reduce any sort of performance gap between the two. It actually works in Sony's favour.

Overall - this article is written by Leadbetter. Take it lightly. It is deliberatley worded to sound as if it is in Microsoft's favour, when it is not.

And for those thinking that if the Xbox One has this performance restriction, than the PS4 does aswell, this is due to the use of the Snap feature and similar apps. PS4 does not have such ability, and its reliance on a single OS (instead of 3) will likely lead to a much, much lower overhead.

[SilentNegotiator]

"I love that MS is actively eliminating any advantage competition might bring"

They brought up the clock slightly and want to unlock a sliver reserved for Kinect. They didn't "eliminate" the 50% power advantage; they shrunk it slightly.

Developers can't even use this 10% until Microsoft, you know, ACTUALLY unlocks it as opposed to just making a promise. So enjoy seeing that tiny increase in 2+ years.

[P0werVR]

Microsoft without a doubt has the capabilities and know how to provide necessary resources to all developers.

All is left now is to invest more into first party development, especially for using every bit of their hardware, in contrast to current gen.

[JokesOnYou]

hmmm just let micro handle their business, everyone pretends to be experts on hardware they have never touched, while engineers who created the architecture continue to prove them wrong. As I said before alot of folks are going to be surprised when they see just what the customized X1 hardware is capable of, well yeah but they will still downplay the results. I mean look at the launch games already instead of pushing upgraded graphics some are doing some things that really feel next gen, and in game tech for overall better games so early in this gen while still looking amazing.

[Blackdeath_663]

@Lalanana
you are not gaining power, you are just loosing less of it to apps,OS,kinect and other function. increased clock speed however is always a good thing you just need to keep in mind overclocking/upclocking any device reliability takes a hit sometime this can be a big and not worth it sometimes its a little hit i don't imagine there will be any issues though i think MS are working on optimising the XBone more than anything i'm guessing they were playing it safe at first but are stepping it up and taking chances to compete with opposition

[devwan]

Is this really a surprise? We always knew there was going to be a performance hit on the xbox one with the way it snaps and multitasks secondary software. The 10% figure was even rumoured/guessed at before.

What we might not have expected was for Leadbetter to come along and spin the whole thing as a positive to look forward to in future, when it's clearly an admission that, you know, this console that's already quite underpowered vs the ps4, the one they've been desperately trying to play the numbers game with, well, you can forget 10% of the GPU numbers because the game devs don't have them... but one day that might not be as bad as 10%, they might make it less.

The fact is, if they wanted to create a set top box that could do all the extra stuff -and- play games as good as the competition, they needed to be producing hardware that was at least 1.5 times stronger, not fairly substantially weaker... xbox one is clearly not the choice for gamers, it's for couch potatoes who might like to play a game now and again take it or leave it.

[n4rc]

Why do people always look at things in the most negative way possible?

Look at the games now... They look awesome and have sold a ton of preorders based on them.. And they are saying there is 10% more power to be unlocked..

So how is that a negative? We don't play tflops..

[darthv72]

if all of this power unlocking is done via software then wouldn't it be akin to the performance gains that video cards get with new drivers?

Also, not to take away MS thunder but....wouldnt the PS4 be able to achieve similar things via software as well?

[gaffyh]

It's like with PSP when Sony announced the up clock, but they were smart enough not to mention it before the thing even launched lol. Still at least this shows that MS are thinking of future proofing to an extent.

[FlunkinMonkey]

@georgenoob

If your comment is 'well said' like someone has implied by bubbling you up, then i am Vishnu's granddaughter ..

[hazeblaze]

Lol... Because they're basically trying to say there is the possibility for XBone to only be 30-35% less powerful than the PS4!

[princejb134]

lol MS seems desperate to catch up to ps4 power
didnt they learn from this gen that rushing products out without testing can lead to failure * cough cough red ring cough cough*

[MazzingerZ]

They make it sound like increasing over the known specs but actually it rather means getting close to what the machine can deliver...so not sure where the good news are

It's like saying, you are getting 10 GB extra on your HDD, it wouldn't mean the xbox shipping with 510 GB HDD but rather the reserved space in the HDD for the OS has been reduced 10 GB

By the way, the X1 info states that the OS reserved memory space represents a "considerable" part of the HDD space...any specific news about that? PS4 hasn't being specific about this matter either

[NewMonday]

Nice spin going on here

This actually confirms the PS4 Has even more power with a 60% advantage

[lawgone]

@dmitrijs88

I just wanted to take a moment to salute you for being so clever and original. The way you take the abbreviation for Microsoft - MS - but use a dollar sign instead of an S...it's brilliant! M$! It's like you're saying that they are a corporation and care about profits whereas Sony is an honest, gamer-loving entity that does not care about profits. So deep man! :)

[Magicite]

@lawgone
Micro$oft
$ony
$amsung
Better now?

[black0o]

miss leading title .. it should be like ''MS will allow devs to use 100% of the gpu sometime in the future''

[UnholyLight]

Im really not all that surprised by the constant stream of info rolling out. It was always the plan leading up to launch..Even Sony..That you sort of "trickle feed" the masses every couple of weeks until launch to keep people talking about the consoles.

[thexmanone]

@SilentNegotiator

Enjoy your 60% Slower PSN and more powerful PS4.

Live>PC>PSN

[Anarki]

But they have already started mass producing them? can this be simply upgraded via update?

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Very impressive and show's how this sites fanboys run who gets bubbles and "well saids" and "trolling"

You have 21 more agrees than disagrees and you were able to say "xbone" and "M$" together in your once sentence post.

I wish this sites founder could see this shit.

[Kryptix]

According to the article, 10% of the Xbox One's GPU power goes exclusively to the Kinect, OS features, and apps. Problem is that how will developers fully access that whole 10% without hindering Kinect function? I'm guessing the coding can become more simplified and sped up to use less space which leaves more room for in-game graphics processing. What they fail to mention is that not all that 10% will be accessible because the Kinect will still need some of that power for it to function. We might only see a %5 improvement in graphics and 5% still reserved for Kinect, OS features and apps. After the overclock and now this, you can't deny Microsoft is only playing catch up to the PS4's power. Even the article makes it clear that the PS4 still more powerful than the Xbox One.

"PlayStation 4's 32 ROPs are generally acknowledged as overkill for a 1080p resolution (the underlying architecture from AMD was never designed exclusively just for full HD but for other resolutions such as 2560x1400/2560x1600 too), while Xbox One's 16 ROPs could theoretically be overwhelmed by developers."

@georgenoob

"They are constantly listening to complaints on the Internet and quickly acting on it."

I see you're still living in your own world up in the clouds. Funny how the whole Xbox community was complaining about always online 2 months prior to the reveal and Microsoft didn't give two shits about them. If your bubble hasn't popped yet and your mind brought back to logical understanding then you really are completely blind and therefore an Xbot.

[Hellsvacancy]

"hmmm just let micro handle their business, everyone pretends to be experts on hardware"

Read your own words buddy and take note!

[OlgerO]

The Spin on this is Glorious!! this means that 10 percent of the existing GPU is used for OS and kinect making the power difference even bigger in playstations favour. they simply stated that they will try to reduce the amount of GPU needed for kinect and OS over time.

[RenegadeRocks]

Bingo ! Another PR move by MS ready to get messy ! This console launch is so enjoyable !

[lfPetrini]

Of course this favours PS4 even more, everybody knows while Xone will use part of its hardware for the OS, PS4 is gonna use 100% of its for the games, the OS is probrably gonna work under alien technology.

[pyramidshead]

Pretty much, not to mention a weaker GPU at that. Judging by the comments the koolaid is in full flow.

The Ps4 will obviously use some but for only one OS whereas the Xb1 has three.

[nypifisel]

It really is lol. "Unlocking more power" when what the article really told us was that the advantage of the PS4 GPU was even greater than we though. X1 GPU just went from 1.31Tflop to 1.18 Tflop meaning the PS4 GPU is 56% more powerful.. Oh boy, that Kinect just gets worse by the day!

[xKugo]

I'm curious, though. How are they going to do this without sacrificing resources for the "Snap Mode". Does this mean good-bye snap because you can't free up GPU usage without taking it from a previously used source. I my opinion, this is just confirmation that the system was not built with games in mind because if it was, it wouldn't have 10% of it's most important component taken up by some crap add on camera.

[n4rc]

By your logic... Then how do you explain the minuscule gap in games when its actually 10% bigger difference?

What are we up to now with you.. 60% weaker?

Funny... Games look pretty damn equal to me

[Lykon]

I'd rather have a bmw than a tarted up nisan micra

[deadfrag]

what this seems to mean is that future wise kinect will most likely not come bundle with the X1.If they are taking the 10% of gpu power that kinect uses and give it back to the machine than whats the use of kinect?

"Xbox One reserves 10 per cent of graphics resources for Kinect and apps functionality,"

So what will happen to kinect and the apps without the 10%..........Simple shovelware will die and M$ can finally give me an X1 without shovelware kinect at a better price.Or this is actually BS talk from Microsoft again!

[Ju]

"Funny... Games look pretty damn equal to me"

In Youtube videos. In reality it's somewhere 1080@60fps vs. 900p@30 (oh, right. This was a design choice).

[thekhurg]

My favorite part of the article is how they actually try to defend 720p and 900p as being as awesome as 1080p.

[Tooly]

exactly reduce those Tflops

[n4rc]

Wtf are you talking about ju?

I can point to x1 games running 1080-60 and ps4 games that can't reach it...

Whats the point? selective reasoning is a bitch.. Lol

[Ju]

I can point to a PS3 game which runs [email protected] Raaaccerrr...

[RenegadeRocks]

This will be to balance the balance that might get disbalanced when PS4 versions of games start performing better :P !

[torchic]

do you have to wear wear New Balance sneakers while working at Microsoft? what about a balanced breakfast? do Microsoft engineers drive cars with adjustable brake balance? how many times do they check their bank balance?

I love balance.

[BlueShirt7749]

Maybe joining here was a mistake with stupid posts like this one.

Nah I'm just really going to enjoy bubbling down people!!

[guerojose]

So, the system is perfectly balanced, with 300% more power from the cloud, and is not under powered in any way? And they're increasing clock speed, and decreasing system overhead, all to provide even MORE power?

Sorry, it's getting hard to keep up with all the spin.

[Beastforlifenoob]

Guys if you are hating on specs lets all hate the WII U because it has the WORRRRRRRSTTTTT specs and features of any game console beign sold today.

Lets let that piece of junk burn (the wiiu)

[bednet]

I see it like a drag race between a corvette (PS4) a mustang (XBOne) and a civic (WiiU).

Everyone knows the corvette will smoke the mustang, but it's still a nice race...while everyone ignores the civic.

Then on the sidelines, you've got the Ferrari (gaming PC), rolling its eyes.

[sonarus]

lol @ destroying the balance. I love how microsoft will say one thing yet do another. Still kudos to them for realizing they are lagging behind in the graphics department and taking the necessary steps to try to upgrade that

[devwan]

The necessary steps seem to amount to promises of vague possibilities down the line... that's not taking necessary steps, that's leaving people with baseless hope and setting them up for disappointment.

In fact there's so much coming to xbox one in the years after this year's launch that maybe they should have taken another year to get things in order first? Might have avoided at least a few of the weekly PR disasters.

[Animal Mutha 76]

Based on the text it's more balanced because it's freeing up unused cycles not used by apps when possible.

So no it wouldn't.

[cell989]

this will in fact disrupt dat balance

[Beastforlifenoob]

Id tap dat balance
subskrib 2 mi utube

[Beastforlifenoob]

Id tap dat balance
subskrib 2 mi utube

[GribbleGrunger]

So basically this article confirms that the X1 holds 10% of the GPU power in reserve for Kinect and snap mode ... and it 'might' improve in the future. All this confirms is that the gap between the consoles is MORE than 50%. Keep quiet MS, you're making it worse.

[wsoutlaw87]

ya they never should have said a thing because when people were talking numbers they were counting 100% but now its more like 90

[pyramidshead]

lol exactly. Anyone thinking this is good news is kinda washing over the facts a little.
Looks like I got marked for trolling for telling the truth apparently :x.

[DJMarty]

MS Console failures expected to rise to 70%+ as usual..........LOL

[Evilsnuggle]

Wow all the xbone one 80 rumors seem to be true. This was a old rumor that xbone OS used 6% of its GPU. This is more than the old rumor this 10% .this is not good news for xbone it means xbone os is a resources hog.

[donman1]

And the XboxOne will also cook you dinner. Microsoft seriously... give it a rest and send your PR guys on vacation.

[KiLLeRCLaM]

Xbox is Windows and Windows is PC but I wouldn't pick a xbox if I already have a PC.. PS4 is where it's at..

[BoriboyShoGUN]

What happen to the "all mighty cloud" thought it was going to give it all the extra power it needed?????
This XBOX news just gets funnier by the second.

[grassyknoll]

I love the way Microsoft are so desperate to be seen as the most powerful console. They could have been $150 cheaper if they didn't include Kinect. What a mess they've created for themselves.

[XB1_PS4]

Or even cheaper, there was an article a while back saying the Kinect is almost the same cost to manufacture as the Xb1 itself.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

And it still needs GPU resources from the main box...

[grassyknoll]

It wouldn't surprise me. A think a Kinectless SKU will be out within a year & a half max.

[Blachek]

I thought most the computational requirements needed for the Kinect were housed within the unit itself.

I imagine the 10% they have partitioned is a conservative value that just determines how the kinect inputs directly to the console, not how it runs.

[devwan]

@Blachek No...

""Xbox One has a conservative 10 per cent time-sliced reservation on the GPU for system processing. This is used both for the GPGPU processing for Kinect and for the rendering of concurrent system content such as snap mode," Microsoft technical fellow Andrew Goossen told us."

The Kinect doesn't process the signal, it packages up the data and gives it to the xbox one to work on. It's using the GPU for GPGPU processing and it's doing this using all cores for 10% of the frame along with snap functionality, not a constant 10% of 8 cores all the time.

They do it that way because it's far simpler for them and devs to manage, it's always there and always locked off. Going the other way, where they aim to gain back a portion of this 10% of GPU power, can be achieved in a few ways, the simplest of which would be to have more efficient code... but that's not going to add up to much unless the existing routines are massively wasteful.

Another way would be to allow devs to completely lock out snap and Kinect processing, by user request, in order to allow the game to have much more of that 10% back... but then that would make a mockery of the system's ethos.

A third way would be to cleverly interleave the GPGPU into the frame where there are GPU idle times (there are a surprising amount of these during the frame). The problem here is that it's not possible to do this wholesale, it'd have to be done by hand for each and every game on a game-by-game basis . The real problem here is, the xbox one is already a more difficult machine for developers to work with due to the esram... this kind of additional work is only really practical for first party studios that are working closely with microsoft's engineers and who have budgets that aren't as tight as typical 3rd parties.

This is why ever seeing a 10% hike in GPU performance down the line is highly unlikely (and this 10% is obviously 10% of the actual figures microsoft have bee throwing around recently, not an additional 10% on top). It'll only be a percentage of that 10% and, in the real world, probably won't even register as a blip compared to other improvements in efficiency gained a few years down the line when devs better understand how to deal with the esram headaches.

[LackTrue4K]

I hate rumors but,
There saying there getting 3% more battery life off there controllers too!!!
With a 2% in cooling, added with a 50% more bull 5hit.

[Drekken]

How does this make them stronger? All of the number discussed about the performance of the Xbox has been the base performance of the card without figuring the 10% withheld for kinect apps. This news just confirms the xbox is weaker than its strength on paper.

This is not good news.

[BlueShirt7749]

I have to say the more I hear about the XB1 GPU the more excited I am for the Xbox One. I won't be upgrading immediately because I love my 360.. but the One is looking better each day!!

[Drekken]

XB1 GPU has just been confirmed to be 10% weaker than it was known to be yesterday... today they issued a statement that might release the 10% down the road.

I don't understand your excitement. They can't just add 10% on top of the power we already knew. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[LogicStomper]

@Drekken

He has a right to his excitement. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, people have their own personal preference?

He's allowed to be excited for the Xbox One just like how you're excited for your favored console. So, I think you should keep that bridge of yours and get over it.

[kingduqc]

I see a lot of people getting excited that the new gpu is getting 10% overclock.

The fact stays the same: The xbox one gpu is basically a low tier gpu crammed into a black box. No magic here guys, it'S nothing impressive.

Ps4 is more capable for sure, but it's still a low/mid end card. In 2011 the 7970 released... currently selling for like 250$ with 3 free games of your choice (worth 120$) it's severely destroying both gpus on the new consoles.

I mean, it's fun to get all excited for new consoles and I can't wait to see what new IPs comme out of this gen but don't get excited about hardware please because it's like being happy you got a calculator for Christmas.

The problem I see here happening is that Microsoft did 2 overclock back to back. about 20% more performance, usually an overclocked can achieve with good air cooling on a pc gpu about that range of overclock. Here's the deal... The cooling on a pc case is much vastly superior to what you can do inside a small box like a console. Could we end up having RROD on our hard because Microsoft is trying to close the gap by pushing their tiny box too much?

[devwan]

@GLI2013 Wow... just WOW...

I wonder how excited you'd be if Microsoft decided to lock off 25% of the GPU for the system to use and promise to give it back "one day"... that would be amazing, right?! 25% possible increase in future!! yeah!!!1

[Ohlmay]

How does the Xbox One reserving 10% of it's GPU power bad news?

[Computersaysno]

How did you get a 'Well said' in less than 30 minutes with hardly any agrees (or disagrees for that matter) and a sentence that is actually anything but well said? Makes no sense. LOL

But anyway.

Yeah so Xbone's GPU performance is restricted even further by kinect considerations, and it'll be a while before Microsoft unlock the rest it seems. Way to 'squeeze every last drop of power (they say)' out their their 'perfectly balanced (they say)' and 'highly optimised (they say)' architecture by reserving 10 percent for kinect whether a game needs 10 percent or 1 percent.

Fail much??

They are really trying desperately to push this PR about their machine being 'powerful' after so many articles and comments from people pointing out how it is slower than PS4.

Why are they still on about it, when they said they would let their games do the talking.

Seems they just can't do that right now. Far too much spin for my liking, I really hate the way they are trying to go about this before launch.

Spin, spin, spin. I haven't heard Sony banging on like this, and I don't really want to.

[Blachek]

He got a well said because it's a justifiable question.

The hardware for the Kinect is housed in the Kinect. It does not require the CPU or the GPU within the XB1 to gather and process the information from it's sensors or camera.

What has Sony set aside for the PS Eye to work? Any ide?

[shadow2797]

"It does not require the CPU or the GPU within the XB1 to gather and process the information from it's sensors or camera."

Apparently it does, or they wouldn't be reserving 10% of the GPU for it and Snap.

Sony doesn't set anything aside for the PS Eye to work. Instead they let the developers decide how resources are distributed. That's what they've always done. Sony also has a separate chip for multitasking and handling background tasks.

I'm struggling to understand how 10% less power than anticipated can be a good thing. The fact that they'll let developers use some of that lessens the blow, but it's still disappointing.

[cell989]

Sony does not have to reserve anything genius. The PSv eye is not mandatory. only games that require the Eye will take resources from the processing power, games that dont, can use 100% power, logic.

[Computersaysno]

Its not a sentence let alone a question. Not in the English language anyway.

Microsoft did indeed say that there was no overhead but in fact there is whether you need it or want it or not. That's a big fail.

[boneso82]

It may have been a good question (i don't think it is) but it was certainly not "well said"...

[Drekken]

It is BAD news because the 50% more powerful PS4 stat is not based on another 10% being reserved. So it is more 56% more powerful until MS releases the extra...

[Goku781]

Why keep bringing this stuff up. Makes them sound so desperate. Do it first then tell how much stronger your system is.

[MikeNike310]

Yes but sometimes people ask the same questions and you want to give a good answer. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Edvin1984]

I have a feeling once November comes, and my vacation kicks in and I am playing KillZone and Killer Instinct I wont care about 10-40% difference, as I will be enjoying my games. Whats really funny I doubt I will play either next gen system more than my WiiU, as Wind Waker was one game I missed back in the day, and I am hooked. Un like a lot of gamers here I do not have the pleasure to game more than 2 hours a day if I am lucky since married life sucks lol.

[mcstorm]

Lol its nice to see im not alone in thinking the same way about the consoles. I have a Xbox one on pre order but only decided to get KI and Forza 5 a launch and I then pre orderd Pikmin 3 and Wonderful101 (Which I now have) as well as Sonic Lost Worlds, Mario 3D, Zelda Windwaker, and DK (But that has been put back until next year now :() As well as Pokémon X for the 3DS.

For me im bored of all the shooters and about time we see some other games by the big names. The one and PS4 look amazing consoles but just like the PSV it needs the games to back it up. I will get more games for the xbox one like project Sparks that looks interesting but im having a break from all the FPS games for a bit as played way to many over the last 8 years.

[strickers]

You aren't interested in any PS4 games? This attitude that PS4 has no games is self delusion or bollocks.
Games are not system dependant but to say no games on any system interest you( even the very weak Wii U line up) is absurd.
All the systems have games. You may prefer a line up( I think PS4 is a long way ahead) but I couldn't say NO XB1 games interest me.

[cell989]

if time is of the essence why even own so many consoles? I have a Ps3/Vita and I cant even play that much, let alone if I had a WiiU/PS3?360/vita/ds I would go into overdrive

[UncleGermrod]

Well that depends what ya wanna play. I own a ps3, but it's basically a $300 "uncharted machine". I played last of us, and that was sick. But other than that, I play gears/CoD on my xbox. I enjoy other games when i can, but I think his point is valid: he buys a console for the specific games he wants to play...rather than just ramble off a list of exclusives (including the ones he doesn't even want). For some of us, it's not about money, amount of exclusives, or specs. Truth be told, and call me crazy, but i would gladly trade the enitre ps3 lineup in exchange for all the drunken MP sessions I've had with my friends in Gears. At the end of the day, all the sweaty, greasy, nit-picking, spec-loving, fanboy dweebs in the world coudlnt talk me out of my own opinions. I'll throw some cash at the thin punk behind the counter at best-buy, get both my consoles this nov, play what i want, and that will be that. k there boss?

[LordDhampire]

Lol you lost me a at wii u, yeah wind waker is an awesome game but...after that then what, wait till they remake majoras mask? Nintendo is getting out of control....

Also you wont care about the power difference because you'll be to angry at how bad KI is

[Stuntz]

LMAO i cant stop laughing at people saying this is bad, how much more do you want to prove your insecurities you have with the PS4? Please stfu this is nothing but pure bliss, NOV 22nd greatness arrives. Best games, Best features, best experience.

[guerojose]

LMAO at the people who are so emotionally invested in Xbox that they refuse to acknowledge what an obvious bag-o-hurt this console is.

[LogicStomper]

LMAO at the people who are insecure about their purchase being 'the best', that they have to go around bashing others just to feel a bit more secure about themselves.

[UncleGermrod]

hahaha emotionally, cmon man stop this nonsense. If someone wants an xbox, let em get it. Idk i mean ps4 seems great, and ill get one, but i chose xbox 1 first. i have my reasons and so does anyone else. Theres really no emotion involved

[LordMaim]

You want to know how this is bad? The Kinect interface was suffering latency issues before with 10% processing power reserved. How bad is it going to be now with that reserve taken? Why bother with the Kinect at all if this is how they're going to handle it? They're treating it like a peripheral, not a necessary component, and now they're raiding its resources.

[MikeNike310]

Have we actually seen the final build of the Kinect working?

[LordDhampire]

Lol, your the monst insecure here, you do realize that they are unlocking 10 percent to bring it up to 1.31, the amount already stated, justmeaning it will be weaker at launch then what they had promised

Also greatness is a ps4 slogan, ....your as bad as microsoft so unoriginal

[Drekken]

We could both waste all of our bubbles trying to explain this to them and they still won't get it. They think this statement is bumping it up to 1.45.

[max0583]

I agree people just sit on their computers waiting for any XB1 news to spin it and make them self feel good they are buying a PS4.Guys get a life,their is more than sitting on a screen looking to bash MS.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

You won't see this on lauch titles it will be the second generation of xb1 games that will take advantage of this.

[MikeNike310]

I hope so. I am really pulling for the Xbox One to be great.

[vigilante_man]

Despite it being less powerful than the PS4 it will be great. It is way more powerful than both 360/PS3 and if Microsoft actually keep following Sony's lead and create great first party games then the sky is the limit.

Microsoft just need to stop talking about power and gpu because it is making them look foolish and desperate. Concentrate on the games and they will be fine.

Both systems will be great and I am excited for all of us on here who will be enjoying next gen greatness very soon.

[4logpc]

The spin some people are trying to put on this is beyond idiotic.

anyways...This type of thing always happens. Once they drivers evolve, the manufacture can then up clocks and get more speed out of the console.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

This has nothing to do with upclocking speed. Anandtech.com has said the xb1 gpu is a mono stereo design similar to the new AMD gpu.

[quenomamen]

And so will PS4 devs, so what ? Xbone still underpowered.

[christocolus]

pls get lost...this title has nothing to do with you guys obviously..its a great idea for ms to do this...and xbox fans will be the ones who benefit from it along with the devs... so pls why again are you even here? you guys have so many ps4 articles to follow but restrict yourselves and sit at your pcs waiting eagerly for news on the xbx one even more so than those who plan to get it...get a life or restrict your ignorance to ps comment sections and allow those interested in the console to make comments...bunch of immature guys here..its almost like you guys are so scared to see ms actually announce something positive..kinect is bad,increase in gpu bad, more unanounced games bad..whats with you guys?..dont you ever plan to grow up?..damn....you guys behave like immature spoilt kids..you make everyone so sick..

[5eriously]

@ ChristcockWhatever!
Buthurt much. This just reminds me of the time the PS3 was launched. Only the role's are now reversed.

I do not take this as good news. Are M$ so desperate for more power? I thought the eXBone was so powerful already now M$ has to scrounge a few % here and there to make it sell?..The question is WHY? It should have ample reserve power at this stage of the game? If I had a preorder for it I would have cancelled it based on this "good" news as I would be damn worried. Seems to me the console is underpowered and badly designed for real.

[thejoker1000]

i think they will have alot of problems at launch that's for sure

[riceking]

this sum it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DrGonzo]

Im not a fanboy for either console, but don't all these last minute tweaks and broad sweeping changes make it seem like Microsoft just wasn't ready for next gen to start? Seems like they were kinda caught with their pants down with the negative reaction after E3 and they've been trying to patch things up ever since.

[mhunterjr]

Anyone who know anything about consumer product launches knows that these tweaks and changes happen all the time. People are just making a big deal out of microsofts tweaks because the perceived 'desperation' from MS helps validate their purchase decisions... For whatever reason.

[DrGonzo]

fair enough but why is Microsoft advertising all of them? Microsoft is the one shining a light every time they make a change to the system. Its difficult to blame people about the XB1 public perception when it seems like every other week they are coming out and saying "HEY GUYS, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE COMPETITION!"

Its just the wrong way of showing off your product to the public. Show us how its better, don't just tell us. Specs don't mean a thing if you can show the public something that will really WOW them.

[mhunterjr]

@DrGonzo

I would buy that if Microsoft was actually 'advertising' anything. Microsoft (and Sony) sends information regularly to developers about changes to hardware and software. It gives them the information they need to make informed decisions about their games. Once the information gets out the the public, the public adds all kinds of speculation to it.

This particular article, was Microsoft answering a question that the a member of the media asked them. Had they ignored the question, the same folks accusing them of 'advertising' would be on here accusing them of 'hiding' or 'being ashamed' of their hardware.

There's absolutely nothing Microsoft can do to avoid negative comments in any article that mentions the xbox1.

[pacostacos]

as the OS's get optimized and streamlined in the future it will open up more power for BOTH consoles this is what happened least gen also ... the ps4 also reserves power some of its functions

[BX81]

Sweet. I like that they keep tweeking the system for the better. I just hope it runs smoothly at launch.

[quenomamen]

Lets explain this for the COD heads in the room. They are NOT magically adding a 10% more powerful GPU, they are just transferring power that is being used by something else. The car still only has 200 horsepower. They just removed the AC system to free up another 2 ponies. There, now you fanboys can go towel off since you guys got all wet.

[Regis]

Please don't use cars as an analogy it gets old quickly.

[JeffGUNZ]

@ quenomamen

Just stfu and go post in the PS4 section. No one wants your explanation, your car analogy is awful too. They reduced power from one area to use on other areas, we get it. If they freed up any power from one area and added it to another then yes, they added more power to different functions. What, is their a slow day in the PS4 section? I don't think I have seen you post in a PS4 article and you're all about it. Grow up you f'n nerd.

[Indo]

Quenomamen is simply explaining what most people will read wrong and call out more power when the power is still their, but not usable yet. But will be later down the road.

[Hicken]

You defeat your entire purpose with your last sentence.

The car analogy makes enough sense: the A/C(Kinect), was using up power, so they removed- or in this case, cut back- the power the A/C could use so more could be available elsewhere.

(Of course, this operates under the assumption that the A/C does, indeed hold back a few horses. It's been said that this is not true, but I definitely feel a difference between when it's on and when it's off.)

What is it about his comment that bothers you? Did it hurt your feelings or something? Strike a nerve?

[JeffGUNZ]

@ Hicken

His comment is just not needed for this discussion. It's fine to like whatever you want, but to call someone a fanboy because they enjoy something you don't, is pathetic. I'll be getting both PS4 and Xbox One, so I could care less about this make believe console allegiance. Reread his comment and see how douchey he comes across. It's people like him who are ruining this site more and more.

[Beastforlifenoob]

10% of 200 is 20 you blind idiot. 2 "ponies" is 1%.

[Tontus]

The failure rate it going to be through the roof. Will buy a Xbox One in a few years after a price cut, re-design and when worthwhile exclusives arrive. During that time I will be more than happy with my PS4.

[Yo Mama]

I may buy one in a few years as well, but probably not. If I do, it'll Damn sure be used. I won't be supporting Microsoft.

[LordDhampire]

They arnt upclocking it, they are reallocating resources

[vigilante_man]

I hope that Microsoft stick to their words and support first party studios for a change. If they do they will reap the rewards just like Sony did with their PS3 exclusives.

Then in a couple of years I may even buy XB1 - but I may not as they could re-introduce DRM by that point. They have said they will enforce their initial vision during the next gen.

[Beastforlifenoob]

@Lord
WHy the fack is everyone saying "upclock"
its overclock you idiot!!!!! wow "uplcock"

[gdguide]

LOL. This happens with every console. Guess what? Sony will ****UNLOCK***** more ram for developers, more processing power, and more GPU! It's called optimizing code which has happened since the dawn of computers.

[Wikkid666]

Optimizing code and overclocking are 2 very different things.

[Animal Mutha 76]

Sounds good to me but it doesn't tie up with the split GPU/extra bits rumour. Will be interesting to see how they answer this.

Having played all of the launch games and multiplats available at Eurogamer I'm quite happy already and trust me when I say nobody who buys an X1 will be dissapointed. Forza and Battlefield 4 were simply glorious and Ryse and CoD ghosts weren't far behind. Battlefield especially I could rant on abouts it's excellence all day - that is going to rock.

Xbox One is not underpowered. Far from it as its going to be at least 6x better than my 360 and I'm still reeling at how they got GTA5 out of 512mb ram on 2005 tech. Sonys PS4 might have a bit more grunt but based on what I have seen it won't be 50% or even 30% better - no way. Even Killzone wasn't any more graphically impressive than what was on X1. The PS4 games just don't back up the media claims. The small differences won't matter to me or most punters.

Both consoles are going to be belters. Purchase either or both and you will be happy. No need for people to be such jerks on here about it all.

[xKugo]

So they plan on freeing up this extra power reserved for the Kinect in the future?? Cool for Xbones, but it's still lagging behind the PS4 and there is now confirmation that th Xbon One was created with 720p to 900p in mind. The approach of enhancing the system upscaler all but proves this and points to the obvious conservative approach taken by Microsoft when building the system. So...PS4TW?

[feraldrgn]

Round & round in circles.

Built your console around Kinect? We can use that for GPU instead.
Advertised snap-in as a feature? We can use that for GPU instead.

All that balance.
Again this comes after "specs don't matter" & Harrison's "only game experiences matter".

The hilarity of it is, in the end you wind up with what you didn't want: "Just a 360 with higher specs."

This is a good thing for those who don't care for Microsoft's image or Kinect/snap in support.

& even after all of the up-clocking & disabling, it still ends up weaker than the competitor's machine.
Should have stuck to their guns because it's just hurting their image.

[Pancit_Canton]

Unlock the POWAH of the cloud. Taste the rainbow, feel the rainbow. This pretty much prove that the developers are already maxing out the Xbone just in the beginning of it's life cycle. 900p and 30FPS or 720p and 60FPS on native resolution are the best they can do on the Xbone. Software upscaling to 1080p is pretty much the same as 720p compare to 1080p native resolution. Noticeably big difference.

[DoubleM70]

Seriously do you actually believe that? It's new hardware let them get familiar with it.

[Yo Mama]

Omg, they never stop. This is so funny. So much denial it's borderline delusional. They're like the child that gets caught doing something bad and they have a lie and excuse for every single thing you ask them about even though you already know the truth about what happened.

You can't hardly blame them though. They are trying to say anything they can to try to close the gap in performance to hopefully convince some of their less informed potential customers. It's just very sad at this point.

[abusador]

I swear im going to stop clicking Xbone articles, its always full of bs and Microsoft trying so hard to act as if they are evening the playing field with Ps4.

Yes the powahhhhhhhhh of the Clowdddddd
The power of upclocking bcus we can!!!!!!
And freeing up the powah of kinect!!!!!!!!

Microsoft is really on a roll and imo an embarrassment to the gaming community. Im so happy so many ppl flipped and neogaf and such are having field days everyday with the pr bs that comes out their mouths!!!!!

but but but but what happened to the "perfect balance" smh these guys do more 180's than t rex!!!!!!!

[GABRIEL1030]

Ryse (900p), Killing Instinctive (720p), Battlefield 4 (720p), Dead Rising 3(720p) and Forza 5: "We’re using 100% of this console".

XO technically is very discrete :/

[KontryBoy706]

LOL they are scrambling doing everything they can. Microsoft must KNOW their hardware is lacking a bit

[DoubleM70]

Hmmm. I actually think they are being pretty open with what they got. I would worry about the other staking claims that theirs is more powerful. Sony never said it themselves, but anonymous Devs and specs on paper.

[Mr_Luke]

Mh... the more i read about this console, the more it seems a "beta" console. It seems built in a hurry to come out in time, ready to be modified during its lifecycle (things to do in the start, usually), lot of changes with the famous "180s" and then what?
Why couldn't they build a powerful console ready to be used with all the right things since the start? I don't know if i'm going to buy this in the future, but i can think about it when it's out of the beta phase (1? 2? 3 years maybe?).... and of course when it's cheaper and there will be games that i could like.

[DoesUs]

10% reserved? Ouch.

[shadowT]

So say goodbye to Kinect.

[Brazz]

I believe it is too early to talk about things like "ps4 is much stronger than X1", but ...
first rising clock gpu and cpu, and now more resources will be available for the GPU. Not wanting to be judgmental, but it seems that microsoft regretted some choices in X1 and X1 seems that really going to have to chase after the PS4 in the category "Raw power for games" given the recent changes at the last minute.

[SDIII]

All I have to say is MS sounds like a shady salesman now. Why wasn't all of this corrected to begin with, they have already shown their true colors yet xbots refuse to see the truth. And don't even get me started on how the X1 can't be stood vertically lmao, what a joke.

[TechMech2]

Some people want an Xbox one because Xbox live has the better online service for multiplayer games. Nobody can deny that. I got my ps3 before my 360, and I never play ps3 anymore. PlayStation network is slow and unreliable, and requires maintaince often.

[LogicStomper]

I agree that Xbox fanboys refuse to see the truth, because fanboys tend to ignore the negative news towards their favoured console. This goes both ways though, Sony fanboys will ignore/shrug-off negative PS4 news.

Also, have you ever considered the possibility that you're so caught up with the negatives, that you are completely ignoring the positives about the Xbox One? I mean, look at you trash-talking the Xbox One not being able to stand. Like seriously, step out of that bubble of insecurity and look at what you just did. You're essentially bragging because your toy can stand. See how much of an idiot you look like now?

Now comes the irony in your statement. You blame others for not seeing the truth when in actual fact, it's you. You're so stuck up in your bubble that you resort to trash-talking others favoured console just to make yourself feel better. Seriously, who the hell cares that one can stand vertically while one can't? You want to know what you sound like? Well get outta your bubble and read on.

Person1: "I just bought this lamp"
Person2: "Yours sucks, don't even get me started on how yours doesn't have a clap-to-turn-on feature."

Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble of insecurity but that's exactly how you sound. To be honest, you scream of Sony fanboy. Just look at your display picture, and the article you're in and, the type of comment you're writing.

What a joke.

[kingPoS]

I never thought about that. I Think MS even warned against it. To be honest, I've taken for granted being able stand my console up.

To me, it just looks better that way somehow.

Edit:

The "Made for your living room" line seems to have weight to it now.

[MadSientist89]

I hope you guys understand what this means. It's unlocking the max performance that was already there, that's a key difference. The Xbox didn't grow 10% more GPU power. You have to remove 10% from the 1.31 TFlops.
--> 1.18TFlops at launch (assuming they really free that 10% up later) so in reality XBOX one is not actually getting 10% GPU boost from the 1.31, but rather from the 1.18.

[windblowsagain]

Because they can.

Nearly as bad as 900p crytek lol

[sashimi]

They'll be raising the price of Xblg to pay for the magic powers of the cloud.

Because they can.

lol

[jmc8888]

Well it's good for future Xbox One owners to recoup up to 10 percent, though it probably will be less than the full 10 percent, for actual video games.

Of course this can probably only happen if Kinect isn't used, though perhaps they could recoup a partial amount if Kinect is barely used.

Overall though this doesn't make the Xbox One any faster, just lets it use more of what it has for video games. It basically just neuters the disadvantage (sometimes) the Xbox One had versus the PS4 because of the resources dedicated to Kinect.

So in other words it doesn't make the Xbox One any faster versus the PS4 (thus the raw power gap is UNCHANGED), but the effectual power between the two closed by up to 10 percent...IF Kinect isn't used.

[Holeran]

They have not come across any "additional power". They are simply locking away 10% of the power to be used later. The damage control keeps coming.

[TristanPR77]

This is not a new GPU, they are giving more of their same GPU. The PS4 GPU is superior. For Microsoft to equal PS4 power they must develop a new console.

[ziggurcat]

oh no, now misterx is going to see this as the second coming of christ or something...

[JeffGUNZ]

I just love all the arm chair engineers and developers in these comment sections. Hilarious.

[ohboy]

I have a headache xx
\

[Gore-Content]

Makes you think, why they decided to do it NOW. Because they know that if they don't do it, they will be behind?

[The Great Melon]

This is similar to what Sony did with the PS3. Originally the OS used a lot of RAM preventing it from being used with games. As they reduced the memory footprint of the OS over the course of the generation, they gave the memory they reclaimed back to the developers.

I bet eventually Microsoft will allow developers to forego the Kinect requirement so that they can use all the processing power for graphics later on when Kinect has (possibly) ceased to be a talking point.

[filchron]

so far nothing really impresses me on the X1. i loved killer instinct as a kid but i think it could be done on the 360 if they toned down the particle effects a bit. waiting on screens of that new 2014 halo to really see what the first parties can do on the X1. also a remake of halo 2 would probably make me get an X1 regardless. getting a PS4 first though.

[robotgargoyle]

I worry the architecture is unnecessarily too complex to develop for. Maybe time with finalized dev kits and tools will help aid the process. MS talks about balance, developers talk about PS4 ease of use.

[Xinkwi-Xkuk]

Here is the REAL problem MS faces, that Sony can ALSO optimize their system. The hardware mold has already been cast! The cat-is-out-of-the-bag PS4 is significantly more powerfull. This is being reported over and over again from developers.

Any keen person knows MS needs to cover their hadware disadvantages with great PR spin. If you don't see this then your just misleading yourself.

Does PS4 having better hardware mean the Xbox is doomed? Of course not! X1 will do great, but it needs to fight a different fight then the hardware battle, because that's a loosing one for it.

Don't believe me YouTube search "Michinima ps4 s more power than X1"

[strickers]

Finally a logical approach. It's not that big a deal. Both systems will have games that look great,but try to keep up with what is actually being said.

[Bolts]

I'm not sure MS didn't bother to pack their console with enough power to begin with.

[Reem]

They must be really desperate if they want to use now the Kinect and apps graphics resources lol

Remember when this Nelson dude said he can't wait for the truth to come out. Guess he found out the truth now and he isn't happy :)

[voodoogts]

A lot of Sony haters for sure.

[CEOSteveBallmer]

I Love how you guys Love Microsoft

[Majors]

Wow all this power being unleashed and then the power of the cloud. This will make it on par with the Titan...
Can the developers handle this amount of raw power ??
;)

[TechMech2]

I don't care too much about power. Just give me the best online service around and I'll buy the console!

[JohnS1313]

What a joke. Just more dumb lies. The Xbox 180 will never be close to being as powerful as the PS4.

[Metfanant]

Terribly misleading title...they are only talking about letting developers have some of the power that is currently reserved for the OS....

the Xbone has a 1.31Tflop GPU....10% of that is currently reserved for the OS...leaving developers with about 1.18TFlops for games...

They are talking about giving some of that back in the future...

What this article actually means is that the gap between the PS4 and the Xbone is actually bigger than originally thought..."unlocking" ; power would simply bring it closer back to the paper specs

[ziggurcat]

misterx will probably just see it as now the xbone will be a 6TF system...

[Metfanant]

they already do

[ziggurcat]

Oh dear...

I wonder when they'll finally come to grips with the fact that xbone won't be any more powerful than what's on paper.

Any guesses on when the new date that they lift this fictional NDA will be? They're saying October 15 now. My money is on October 31.

[Hakoom]

its too late to change anything now
will only mess up the system even more than it is now

[Tzuno]

I made my own decision. I will invest in a better PC, this so called next gen consoles is nothing more than a PC wanna be. I do not buy consoles only to play 4-5 really good exclusive games.

[Tales RPG addict]

So the Fuck what. Besides PS4 has the big edge.
Besides i'm buying a PS4 I don't give a shit about XB1.

[Tales RPG addict]

I've been done with Xbox since 2010 when mine RROD.

[ethomaz]

I'm reading wrong but the devs can use only 1.18TFLOPS of the GPU power right now?

[Mister_G]

BEEP BEEP! Vehicle reversing.....

[srd4484]

So XB1 is even less powerful than the almighty PS4, what is now 50-60% powerful? If this were true, there would be no comparing ps4 games to Xb1. But if you look at the games we don't see that at all. Something's not right.

Also, DF said this weekend, we will get the rest of the interview.

[dRanzer]

Come on with this crap...

[DivineAssault]

smh.. Oh well, it wont affect me any.. Not buying this until they step their game up

[marcofdeath]

" Yes everything we showed at E3 and Gamescom was on kits. From my point of view the development is coming along well and with the optimizations we have put in, I am pretty confident the final game will look better than what we showed at E3. I even had to open the cupboard to prove it to some guys from Guerilla who didn’t believe me. At the demo stations our kits were on top of the cupboard directly connected to the screens, so no way we could have done anything else other than run on kits.” KZSF is 1080p MP only!! How is a 1.3TF Sp? Having the best looking games.

[PickAShoe]

If I want GPU power; I go play on PC.

[NateCole]

For a company downplaying power they sure talk alot about it.

[Yomiro]

But Didnt Major nelson show pics of xbox 1s ready for november?

[Thomaticus]

I wonder how does this affect the complete life of an Xbox 1 console? If at all. If this does affect the life of an Xbox 1 console, is it worth it... will we be able to see a difference?

[kingPoS]

So the XB1 has a Rev limiter in place on the GPU is like one on a tuned car? I figure when the tech-heads at MS finished are optimizing, the extra rpm will be unlocked.

That's what it what it sounds like they're doing. I guess...

[Metfanant]

actually its not like that at all...the Xbone's GPU is 1.31Tflops...they reserve 10% of that for the OS....leaving 1.18Tfops for developers to use for games...

the "unlocking" they are talking about is simply giving some of that 10% back to developers over time to bring them back to full GPU power...

[DynDasE]

Overclock GPU until RROD all the way !!

[KiLLeRCLaM]

Xbone is problems waiting to happen..crashes and blue screens etc... I can't wait to hear all you guys complain about it and say that you should have got a PS4 instead

[JuniorCE]

Micro$oft is so desperate... First... The Illusion of the Cloud... Second... dGPU.... Third... Now this...

[jairusmonillas]

I smell RLOD the 2nd coming.

[Lacarious]

It will be in the form of DLC

[PositiveEmotions]

If thats true than why in every conference their games was running on a PC?

[Psychog]

By unlocking do they mean we'll get it to work?

[Flutterby]

It seems a lot of ppl don't understand this news ill put it in caps in hopes ppl notice it and not make stupid assumptions

THE GPU IS STILL 1.3tfps THEY ARE JUST SAYING AT THE MOMENT THE XBONE IS ONLY ABLE TO USE 1.1tfps FOR GAMES AND THEY WANT TO HAVE THE FULL 1.3 FOR GAMES

It's not going to decrease the gap to the ps4s power it just means the gap was bigger than first thought.

[generalthadeape]

This is getting RIDICULOUS now...

Captain Kirk, "I need more powuh Scotty".

Scotty, "I'm givin' her all she's got Captain"!

Captain Kirk, "But what about the powuh of the cloud"?

Scotty, "Sir that's not a cloud-- that's a f'ing BLACK HOLE"!

Suddenly, the Xbox One-- erm-- USS Enterprise implodes upon itself as it simply disappears from the universe as we know it.

Don't laugh fellas-- this could really happen if Microsoft keeps "tweaking" the Xbox One until it "can't take it any more"-- hahahaha!!!

[kakashi81]

I just hope MS can get good exclusive developers to make jaw dropping games, Because I know PS4 will have their power houses already on deck.

[MrUnfamiler]

so it is already slower + 10% for the kenect...

[bligmerk]

MS communique to devs:
Just pretend that fricking POS Kinect was useless and unnecessary, then use the resources that POS was hogging up. Instant moar Poweruz! Finally, MS want to make it clear the Kinect is an essential part of the XBone DNA.

[SaulGoodman]

Too late to my party X1. Wont be buying you until you drop your price or i win the lotto.

[horndog]

I can't wait for this bad boy. Just sold my fat ps3 for 80 dollars which will go for extra x1 control. MS Unlocking more power for devs can only be a good thing no mattter how you slice it.

[Adolph Fitler]

So, it's disproven when they LIE through there goddam teeth about TEH CLOUD adding extra horsepower & graphical capabilities...So now, they are just gonna magically UNLOCK more power....The question is, why did they have it LOCKED in the 1st place? 1 month of launch & there f^cking with the schematics of there machine???? Wow, sounds like 360's 99% fault rate with the RROD problem, may be beaten by it's successor....So another 3-4 yrs of NON-STOP faulty hardware....Do there people designing & producing this thing, even know what the f%ck there doing? Me no think so.... This is the machine you get, when an AMerican company, hires Mexican electrical engineers fresh off the border run truck, with 3 weeks of TAFE training, to design the innards of the console, then these plans are sent to the manufacturing plants in China & India, where the staff building the thing, can't even speak English (let alone American)......This is a screw up, if ever there has been a monumental screw up....This thing comes out in November with an almost worldwide launch...& there still making design changes...I truly hope this machine folds MS's console division & they are beaten out of the console business by TRUE gamers that refuse to buy this thing, I won't be touching it....I want MS out of the business, stick to your shit OS systems c$cksocks.....Much prefer Sony, Nintendo, & maybe Valve as a new player (although I'm skeptical about that fat ponce Newell)....The ultimate would be to see MS die a horrible death, & for Sega to rise up from the ashes, to there former MD/Genesis glory days.... I would be over the moon to have my Sony machine accompanied by a Sega machine...

[dimitri007]

My God how stupid can you fucks be. This is all hype and shit to get you fucks to buy the crap and trash the other which is the same crap. It is the same shit talk that happens every time a console is release. They take all of you for a ride.

[sashimi]

false title, that 10% gpu power is already reserved for os/kinect functions and they might be able to reduce some in the future that is all.

[feraldrgn]

So it pretty much points to rumors being true at this point that the Xbone is actually even weaker than previously thought.

Since this is a software tweak & only possible when disabling Kinect not adding specs,
Kinect uses 10% of the specs before the tweak, which means the numbers that they use for games are even lower (drained by Kinect).

[TheOneEyedHound]

So the console will be weaker than the 1.31Tflops it was promised because of Kinect and Apps, Yikes that sucks.

[ooquis]

here we go again.....

[TheKingWilliamV]

Every movie or cartoon I have ever watched when someone yelled "Increase the Power" something bad always happened...

[TheKingWilliamV]

Every movie or cartoon that I have watched that said "Increase the power" something bad usually happened to the machine after...

[IWasHere]

I can almost hear the fire sirens because some flats are burned down by overheating One consoles...

[metalhead]

The Xbox One is the Mitt Romney of the video game industry......

[BIGBOSS08]

at this point microsoft might aswell announce that they're very worried about the coming generation and what SONY will do to them.