There's a school of thought that Nintendo should follow their old rivals Sega and pull out of producing hardware. This article takes a look at some of the arguments for and against Ninty going the software-only route.
Of course not. As stated in the article, the 3DS is selling well and Nintendo has enough money in reserve to stand strong even if the WiiU crashed and burned. I think they should stay in the hardware business. Keep up with the handhelds. They shouldn't make games for IOS and Android. Just port some of their older ones. Like games from the NES and N64. The casuals would eat that up. The WiiU is a different story. The way I see it, Nintendo should give it another 2 years. If the WiiU sales don't improve by then, they need to start working on a new console.
They're more than likely already working on their next console. They usually beginning working on one after a console releases.
They all do... except MS . xD
"They usually begin working on one after a console released" same with Sony PS5 will be in development starting early 2014
Yes, they're already designing new hardware. But I'm of the camp that wished Nintendo would go third party. I'm tired of buying Nintendo consoles just to play Nintendo games. It would save me some money, and it would put Nintendo classics on mobile devices (Yes, i know 3DS plays VC titles, and there are emulators on mobile devices). I actually think Nintendo would make a much greater profit by being in the software business. The biggest profit is in software, and putting Nintendo games on more platforms gets more people buying the software. I think it would be good for gamers, Nintendo and other console manufacturers.
@Guitarded77 It would actually cost Nintendo far more to go third party. Instead of getting royalties from third parties and the profits from hardware (Nintendo RARELY sells things for a loss, the 3DS has been sold at a profit for over a year now and Pokemon hasn't even released), they would have to PAY royalties to the other platforms they are on. The biggest profits might be from software, but it's the supplement of large hardware profits that help sustain the business. Nintendo profited quite well even when the Gamecube was selling poorly due to profits from the GBA and even the GCN itself until they dropped the price to $99. They would also have to give up a chunk of money to either Google or Apple if they put their games (that wouldn't work well at all) on iOS/Android. It would absolutely cripple their profits. Instead of getting $45-50 from retail games, they would get $25-30 making profit MUCH harder. It would be bad for everyone really. Third parties hate to compete with Nintendo software. The go-to excuse for not supporting the systems is that "Third party software doesn't sell on Nintendo systems", which isn't exactly true, but the reasoning behind that is that Nintendo rarely has a bug in their games. Bethesda games would look like absolute garbage in comparison. Third party games are inevitably compared to the first party titles, and on Nintendo systems...they usually come up lacking. You could replace every "Nintendo" in your comment with "Sony" or "Microsoft" and the argument would sound just as silly. Especially the "I'm tired of buying Nintendo consoles just to play Nintendo games." part. I'm tired of buying Sony consoles just to play Sony games.....but if I want to, I pay the price and so should you.
@ RicardJulianti That's not true... Nintendo would make more money through selling more software. The sales would outweigh any difference in individual profit. That's why companies like EA and Activision make way more money with less known franchises. The argument of replacing Nintendo with Sony or MS doesn't hold up either, because they have much better 3rd party support. The XBOX 360 is riding out on basically just 3rd party multiplats for it's last year and still selling. Anyway, it's not going to happen any time soon, any argument for or against is just for the sake of discussion, so don't go attacking my opinion with your opinion masked as a fact. It's impossible to have a discussion when you're speaking in absolutes.
i hope not with reports of ms leaving xbox behind in near future we need ninty in the hardware like above comment they have more then enough money to continue if wii u failed
I would love if Nintendo went third party, seeing how I like their software, but not their hardware. That said, I recognize that this probably won't ever happen.
To all the people that are saying nintendo should get out the hardware business and go software only ......the fact is Nintendo has been the console and handheld leader for the last 8 years up until this day (this is a fact not opinion)as I am writing this... what sense would that make for them to get out of the hardware business when they have the best software team in the business ..from a business standpoint it makes a lot of sense if someone wants to play there great games you have to buy there hardware ....especially when they have won the most hardware generations and the latest(wii) ...nes,super nes .....and who knows maybe they will win this one we don't know who will win this generation yet .....that's like telling apple to get out the cellphone business when they have sold the most cellphones in the last 5 years it doesn't make any sense just saying ....
No, I need my Ninty Hand-Helds. I can't imagine the hand-held market without them.
Are you suggesting they should go handheld only? Because in terms of home consoles Nintendo should be leading not falling behind everyone else. ;) Damn disagrees already? That didn't take long ;)
I'm suggesting that they don't go third party because that means I won't get to play my Hand-Held Nintendo games.
Fanboys hate opinions, especially rational ones that go against their miniscule ideology on plastic Lol
I would love to see a Nintendo game on my PS Vita, not a big fan of the 3DS screens and they would look stunning on Vita's beautiful OLED display... Not going to happen though, unless it gets hacked.
Yeah that's not happening anytime soon, especially with the 3DS selling so well.
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Hey, you forgot the period... Oh, you didn't complete the sentence, right? Let me finish that for you, then... "Without a doubt, no". You're welcome.
It's funny how there are gamers who look down on Nintendo and their games, yet they want the company to go third party just so they could play Nintendo games on the playstation or xbox. Hypocrites...
Umm...what games right now? The Wii U hasn't had that many worthwhile ones. No one is complaining about the games (unless you count some of the people on Metroid message boards bitching about Other M for the millionth time). It's more about Nintendo's thinking about the systems they are putting the games on right now. Those are two different animals. Just because Sega had a horrendous track record with the systems they made post-Genesis doesn't mean they stopped making bad games while they were effing up their system strategies!
What he means is probably about the type of games Nintendo makes. They're generally family and safe-content based games, so there's a lack of mature-oriented games, which make up most of Sony and MS games library. Some of the "anti-N" gamers criticize Nintendo because of this in some instances, and later they ask for Nintendo games on their platforms of choice.
@darkpower Okay, I really don't get your point. Also, I never said "Wii U", I said "Nintendo" as in anything they made.
@diepdiep: My point being that just because a company makes a system that doesn't do well doesn't mean that they stop making good games. Did Sega's games suddenly suck because their systems stopped doing well? Did Sony's first party titles lack quality because they were on a system that had trouble getting a good install base for the first few years of its life? Yeah, the Wii U might just be one system and all (and yeah, I know you are talking about Nintendo as a whole), but how much did they invest into this system doing well? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't go third party (and I love how many people just click disagree to a comment on this site just because it even hints at not being the opinion they want to hear even before they read what the post says), but I'm saying that it's always been an option for them that could be worth it if they were to go down that route (and remember, Nintendo, when they first started, WERE third party before they released the original Famicom, publishing games for the Atari systems). What I WOULD say, though, is that the PC market could be very good for them, since both Microsoft and Sony publish games for PC (Sony published a few SOE games on PC) without it hurting their respective systems. Nintendo could do THAT without even thinking about dropping out of any console race. Talked about a Pokemon MMO that could very well work on a PC platform if Nintendo thought about it.
Nintendo's hardware has come off as sub par in my eyes, level of focus on gimmicky peripherals, = and I'm not a fan of their network policies. I like their software, but for the reasons stated are part of the reason why I haven't purchased a Wii U.
It's not about wanting Nintendo to go 3rd party, but let's be honest here, nobody should have to be put in a position to buy another console or pc just to play multiplats. When you buy a console it should be your sole gaming platform if you choose, that means getting it's exclusives and multiplats in 1 place. If the company fails at providing this for the consumer who doesn't want multiple consoles, then they deserve the poor sales as Nintendo is getting with the Wii U.
NO! that is hilariously stupid. Nintendo just needs to get with the program and accept that they are not the center of the video game universe. Sony and MS have done as much as possible to cater to developers and make systems that suited their needs. Nintendo while trying to push experiences only seem to care what suit their type of games. And that in my opinion is what is wrong with the company.
If you mean keep up with Sony/MS spec wise, I agree, but if not than I have to disagree. I don't like/want uniformity among the three, that would be very boring with only their exclusive games setting them apart. The reason consoles are exciting is because with every new launch we anticipate what the controller will look like, the game boxes, the unique features that 1 has over the other. I personally feel Nintendo has the best idea this gen with the gamepad, but I also feel they failed badly in every other area. The specs, the console name, the inclusion of mii's again(which I hate), the lack of proper built-in hard drive space, the need to pull out the power cord if the system freezes, accounts tied to the console, etc. I just don't see the logic in releasing a next gen console that competes with the current gen that's ending, it's just bizarre to think 3rd party devs and people that buy multiplats would stay behind and buy their multiplats on the WiiU instead of buying them on PS4/XboxOne/PC, mostly everyone is craving to move on from current gen, yet Nintendo had a crazy idea that we weren't.
No but they need to buck their ideas up Get rid of Iwata, replace him with someone new and fresh, get the new guy to take Nintendo forward and get them on par with MS and Sony...and no not in a spec/tec way I mean in the sense of direction. I mean Nintendo don't even have a good online network and it's next gen....COME ON
LOL "Right guys I think it's time we try the DRM approach" "But we don't really have an established online network Mr Mattrick" "..." http://weknowmemes.com/wp-c...
Getting rid of Iwata wouldn't change much really. They would promote from within, and Iwata would hand-pick the guy...just as Yamauchi-sama picked him. When Yamauchi was talking about retirement, he requested that, "...Nintendo give birth to wholly new ideas and create hardware which reflects that ideal. And make software that adheres to that same standard. Furthermore, this software should attract consumers as new and interesting. Lastly, and of equal importance, is completing these products quickly and at a cost comparable to today's current market. I imagine most people question the feasibility of my request, but Nintendo has always pursued those objectives. I'd ask that the company continue to follow this goal as my final and only request to the new management staff. I can't say what these new types of software will be, but I'm sure they'll release it during my lifetime" Basically he wants Nintendo to do exactly what they have been doing from the beginning. The Wii absolutely fulfilled that wish, and with his passing, I sincerely doubt they are going to go against the wishes of the grandson of the man who founded the company anytime soon. Sit tight.
Why get rid of Iwata? Under his leadership Nintendo delivered their highest selling handheld, the DS and their highest selling console, the Wii. They also had some astronomical software sales. They made insane profits from hardware and software last gen. This gen, the 3DS is doing quite well. The only down-note is that the Wii U is struggling. But that can be turned around.
Can Nintendo consoles survive with First Party Games alone? Big decisions ahead for Nintendo!
They kinda have on wii and 3ds. Both had some excellent third party games for most people yet most people bought them for the nintendo games.
Most, if not all, of the people saying this are simply entitled people that want Nintendo games, but don't want to buy a console for them. Theres not really much more to it than that, since Nintendo isn't in a situation where they even need to consider getting out of the console business in the first place. The Wii sold amazingly well (especially when you consider how poor the third party support was) and the 3DS destroys everything on a fairly regular basis. Maybe if Nintendo is about to go under and that is their absolute last choice, but till then it's simply cheap / entitled people that want satisfaction of X thing without doing Y to get it.
Or maybe people WOULD play the games if they didn't have to buy a system that might not be worth it in the long run to buy because there's nothing else ON it, or the system is utter trash to handle. I can play GTA5 on the 360 and have to deal with the issue about installing from one disc over another (and in some cases, worry that it won't run the game at all), or I can play it on the PS3 (I'll sound like a fanboy here, I know I will) and bypass most if not all of the problems. Better yet, I can play a good PC port of a console game and not have to worry about frame and/or hardware limitations. Plus, think about why other third party devs develop for multiple consoles: to expand their revenue and, in turn (though in theory), fund new IPs in the long run, and we get new games to play as a result. Yeah, it sounds like something only a selfish PS3/360 fanboy would think of, huh?
YES! Nintendo name will become bigger and make hardware too.
It doesn't have to be new games. It could be old games from the e shop, but on the PSN and X-box live.
l love nintendo ..but yes they should go third party
And here we go again with this.. Short answer: No.
No but I know sony fanboys would love for them to go third party lol
Jesus christ what is with you and Sony fanboys Every bloody comment you make is the same "Blah Blah Blah....Sony fanboys" I know you hate Sony but trying to blame everything on rival fanboys is kind of sad Don't believe me, look through his comments
This is nothing you ought to see his YouTube comments he defends Nintendo hard. ;)
Yea you shouldn't be surprised with him.
I'm what most people would call a Sony fanboy (mainly because i prefer Sony products, most reliable electronics i've ever bought) but i wouldn't want Nintendo to go 3rd party. If anything, all the new games are pretty poor compared to their old ones, and they just wouldn't sell AT ALL on Playstation/Xbox. I used to play on just Nintendo, both home consoles and handhelds, but Pokemon became rehashed everything and Mario's just kept getting worse after Mario 64. Everything else just wasn't interesting, or anywhere near as good as the games on playstation/sega/microsoft consoles. If anything Nintendo should just focus on handheld and stop making consoles, that is where most of their money is coming from and i can only assume they are using the 3DS profits to plug the hole in the Wii U sales to keep themselves afloat.
That's funny because that's exactly how I feel about sony.
Nintendo going third party would not benefit consoles AT ALL people. Even if you don't like Nintendo, WE NEED competition in this industry.
The problem is that nintendo is not even competition at this point...most people will buy a wii u in addition to an xbox or playstation...its more of a supplemental console and is unique in that regard
No but I do think sony would be better off as a third party company. They are already testing the waters with the Uncharted/Coke game on iOS and Yoshida just said recently they want their games on other devices.
Why do people want Nintendo to go third party? Why not Sony or MS?
The question keeps coming up due to the poor Wii U sales. If PS4/Xbone sold really badly the same article would come up with their names instead.
"should follow their old rivals Sega" That's all you need to see to realize this idea wouldn't have a good chance of panning out well.
are we at all aware that Nintendo is the least likely of the big 3 to go 3rd party? hell, I like Playstation, but i don't want Sony to go 3rd party. if you want nintendo games, just get a damn nintendo system. this type of article pops up every other day now. it's getting old.
Well the future isn't looking bright for them in consoles. The Wii motion hype train is gone. Right now there's no hype for Wii U. Mario is played out and more kids today want to play violent games. To me they should have made a real next gen console to compete with PS4 and XBone. They lost a lot of 3rd party support because of it. Nintendo is stuck in the pass and they could end up like Sega. They lead in handheld market so maybe they'd be ok for now but how long can it last.
It's not that the majority of kids want to play violent video games. Or else the 3DS wouldn't be selling the way it is. Mario isn't played out. He still sells and that's why Nintendo keeps making Mario games. One failed console isn't going to destroy Nintendo.
try telling that to Sega, Saturn didn't go down well, then no-one wanted the Dreamcast. One bad thing is enough to bring them down, and Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony would be no different.
when people defend the wii u it is always based on those "nintendo exclusives." because it cannot be defended on the basis of hardware, online, support, firmware, or anything else. if all nintendo has going for it are first party exclusives, then their clear place in the industry should be making games, not consoles
Allow me educate you. Aside from the Nintendo exclusives that are better than 99.9% of the games on any other console, Nintendo online is excellent, with Nintendo they won't charge anyone to play online, with Nintendo there hardware never breaks down like Sony and Xboxes are known for. With Nintendo Wii u is backwards compatable. With Nintendo they don't listen to people like you which is why they are the longest running and most succesful gaming company in the world. With Nintendo there gameplay is second to none. Nintendo's control system is better than other to consoles. With Nintendo you get innovation, different creative ways to play that other consoles always try and mimick but fail miserable. So Nintendo has a lot going on, much more than the other 2 consoles who can only brag about hardware but has rubbish software.
3rd party support means a lot though, and Nintendo barely have that anymore... GTA5 made $1b in a few days, i don't think any Nintendo game has ever done that, or ever will. Your comment on 'rubbish software' is all opinion, but the MILLIONS who buy CoD/GTA/Gran Turismo etc etc etc compared to the sales figures of the Nintendo mainstays speak volumes If Nintendo had 3rd party support they would be in a lot stronger position than they are at the moment (most people don't even know that the Wii U exists...) I agree that they are one of the strongest companies going (been around since the 1880s i believe it was) but until they get the 3rd parties back on board expect these articles more and more regularly!
Sure. I'd actually like one console to play all my sony and nintendo exclusive games :)
It is two early for N to be making that sort of decision, they are still in a healthy position, but they are at risk. The industry moves so quickly, the mighty can fall, just ask Atari. They have already lost the Next-Gen console war, with the Wii-U failing to re-capture peoples imagination like the original Wii. If PS4 and XO fail in the same way, then the whole console market will crumble. Either way Wii-U is not going to be leading it. The 3DS is doing great, and MH4 has made it even more dominant. However, handhelds (more than consoles) will be under more and more pressure from phones/tablets. 3DS is fine, but launching its replacement will be fraught with difficulties. N needs to be very clear and careful with the strategy moving forward, as their next step is crucial. At the end of the 3DS lifecycle, they don't won't to find themselves with no console business and the handheld market disappearing.
I actually find it ironic that a lot of people claim that Nintendo's games are "childish" and "too casual," yet some of those very people turn around and say, "sure, I'd love to have Nintendo's games on my Xbox!"
Awwwwww hell nah!
The gamecube and wii only had a handful of games that were a must play. Id rather not buy a console just to play those few. Also their games would be made using more powerful hardware if they went 3rd party.
That's like me saying Sony and Microsoft should stop with hardware and make games for PC because their games would be on more powerful hardware if they did that.
its not just the hardware, thats just a plus, the main point is only a handful of must play games come out for nintendos systems
Which is a lot more than any other console even if your opinion was true, which it isn't.
Well that's just your opinion, man. Uncharted and MGS4 were the only PS3 games I wanted to play this gen but I still had to buy a PS3.