Xbox One now in full production with improved CPU performance

Xbox chief marketing officer Yusef Mehdi just spoke at the Citi Global Technology Conference and said Microsoft is now in full production for the Xbox One and producing in mass with plans still on for a November 2013 launch.

[Kayant]

With the design of the XB1 it makes sense they are able to do all these small overclocks before launch.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Cant wait for the massive increase in performance i expect to play KI at 1080p and 120fps.

[golding89]

1.75 GHZ from 1.6 GHZ. very nice upgrade boost. No doubt.

[Foxgod]

The pope is just butthurt that all of the games he will play are locked at 30 fps.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

If you ould like to see the increase in performance check out the latest demo of DR3 fr http://www.youtube.com/watc... pax prime and compare it to the gamescom and e3 build.

[shoddy]

They still have last gen ddr3 ram

[Foxgod]

Dead rising 3 was indeed very smooth running on Pax.

@shoddy,
DDR3 is current gen, as its the current standard for cpu related ram.
Just like Gddr5 (which is based on DDr3) is the current gen ram for gpu related computing.

The next standards (DDR4 and GDDR6 wont be out until 2014).

[ProjectVulcan]

The clocks were always going to be defined once the chip yields were known. If they were good, you would get better clocks. In this case it seems they are fair to middling. The target was 1.6-2.0ghz and they are somewhere in the middle.

Its a 10 percent increase over a 1.6ghz baseclock. Not exactly going to blow the doors off but hey.

Sony have probably been doing the same fine tuning of clocks as they see what sort of yields they get coming off the production line.

Its pretty important you don't go too high or you throw away too many chips. This isn't like a PC part here where stuff that doesn't make the grade you can cut bits off and flog cheaper.

It all has to work at the defined speed and voltage tolerance exactly the same as the first machine rolls off the line or its junked.

[hazardman]

@ shoddy

You mean the same DDR3 ram found in 99.9% of PCs.

[wsoutlaw87]

its found in pcs but the better graphics cards are using gddr5

[darthv72]

@vulcan, i dont disagree with your thoughts but keep in mind the PS4 will also incorporate an internalized power supply. the amount of heat generated by the chips, coupled with that of the power supply will have to be taken into account for proper cooling.

So if sony stuck with stock clocks of 1.6 to keep heat lower, they could still have the edge in performance with the memory as well as board layout reducing the traces between components.

MS has the larger case design and no internal power supply so that gives them a bit of breathing room to work with finding the sweet spot for their chips to heat dissipation ratio.

[Eonjay]

The PS4 is said to have maximum of 2.75 GHZ according to the readily available FCC papers. What is the official word. Last I heard it was supposed to only do 2Ghz on retail consoles.

[ProjectVulcan]

I seriously doubt they even changed the voltage for this darthv72. If their projected minimum was 1.6ghz and they hit 1.75 at the same voltage then the power and heat difference in such a small CPU is negligible, next to nothing.

You have to remember even if Sony run their CPU @ 2ghz with a small voltage bump, these consoles are designed with heavy duty power saving capabilities. They have vastly superior performance per watt. The CPU design both consoles are based around is one you can put in a tablet....

They'll be full of gates so that you can turn off bits and pieces individually to save power. I seriously doubt either of them has a TDP in excess of 200 watts and I would guess probably even less than 175w.

Original phat PS3 was about 210w max load and original 360 about 190.

I can't see PS4 having anything less than a bunch of heatpipes directly over the main chip to be able to fit in a case that small. Its not a worry producing a bit more heat, as long as your cooling design is up to the job.

If you don't engineer in a fair bit of overhead then you're an idiot. So learnt the guy long since fired responsible for Xbox 360's original cooling design....

[malokevi]

Awesome news... next up, pulling the tape from hotchips off the corner that gpu and accounting for the missing transistors....

dGPU? :)

The tables are set to turn in a big way when the AMD nda deadline hits.

@eonjay

KZ demo revealed the Ps4 cpu clock to be set at 1.6ghz. 2ghz rumor turned out to be dev kits.

[trafalger]

m$ likely took a very reserved clockspeed because of what happened with the x360, every time someone turned the system on astronauts would see it from the space station. now that they know how cool it runs (its also supposed to very quiet) they can push it a little harder.

“This will be the biggest launch we’ve ever done by a wide margin in terms of units shipped at launch,” Mehdi said."

this is very interesting. i imagine both companies will be eager to update us any chance they get with hardware sales. the days of sony being silent during npd reports will be long gone. it looks like the ps4 will be doing much better in the u.s. but the big question will be how the xbone does outside of that region.

[JokesOnYou]

Good info, so I have a few notes that come to mind based on this news:

Last gen Microsoft made changes to xbox 360 just months before launch the first 360 didn't roll off the assembly line until 69 days before Nov 22nd launch, http://money.cnn.com/2006/0... if they are working under a similar timeframe with X1 that would be about Nov 22-27, depending when was the exact date they started full production, but considering they've improved production streamlines and are doubling efforts from past experience with 360 I'd say anytime in Nov is certainly possible.

I wouldn't make any hard predictions about performance/final specs, I mean even prior to these improved specs X1 was a very capable machine, now with new information showcasing how incredibly customized the X1 architecture is, we know the GPU was bumped from 800 to 853 and now the CPU from 1.6 to 1.75 yet theres still some things not clarified from the Hot Chips conference like the 8gb of flash memory and 15 special purpose processors, etc. http://semiaccurate.com/201... It will be interesting to see if some of these things end up not adding anything significant to the overall performance or if that 8bg of flash helps reduce the OS footprint/efficiency for allocated 3gb of RAM either way bench tests will be very interesting but truth is as I've said all along these 2 consoles will be relatively identical in performance.

So the bottom line once again is money, ideas, dev tools, time, resources and most importantly talent are going to be the deciding factors in exclusive quality even more so than any gen ever before. Both sony and Microsoft clearly have talent, with sony imo having a couple more 1st party, while micro has a major cash advantage, consequently I believe this gen is going to be extremely competitive even more than the last and I think micro holds the X factor since clearly they can buy talent(3rd party exclusives to make up the gap between sony's 1st party) so depending on how they execute their overall Kinect, Media/TV strategy while remaining focused on core games for the longterm micro could really have something special on their hands; either way all this point to it being a long and awesome gen for all gamers.

[pixelsword]

Don't... Meh, why not?

http://youtu.be/mjCRUvX2D0E...

[EVILDEAD360]

@ Jokes,

Well F-ing said. +bubz Best post
I've seen on 4g for awhile. I can't wait
for November.

I'm getting an Xbox One at launch but there no way in hades that I won't own both consoles and a Vira by the end of next gen. Too many great games coming down the line.

It's funny looking back when nobody believed me when I said this grn was coming this year. Lol.

Evil

[ProjectVulcan]

@Jokesonyou

If you think the consoles will be near identical performance wise you should probably read your own quoted semi accurate source and particularly the part that says the GPU performance gap is pretty huge and Sony easily wins performance wise because of that.....

That site themselves only said what everyone else with some tech knowledge has pointed out. Nice fancy system design for Xbone to work with all the media functions but it'll still essentially get trounced by Sony's better gaming hardware.

http://semiaccurate.com/201...
Read the article and go down the bottom. It's all there.

[UltimateMaster]

Why is everyone saying DDR3 is last gen?....
God, I swear, some people know nothing about technology...

Look, DDR3 is the HIGHEST CPU RAM ON THE MARKET.
GDDR5 Increases the GPU AND IT'S THE HIGHEST GPU RAM ON THE MARKET.

Obviously, The GDDR5 is at least 2.5 times faster and can get far better performances than the regular DDR3 when it comes to games.

But calling DDR3 last gen is just so completely ignorant and stupid.

The PS4 is still superior regardless this CPU increase, but it's not going to suck tremendously. It's just the PS4 will be superior in many ways and will have much better graphics.

In the end, High-End graphics is irrelevant if you have a poor Game Play experience, let us not forget that. Graphics aren't the only thing that makes a game great.

[Lou Ferrigno]

haha 120fps?.. Slow motion gaming?.. I think you may be on to something here ;)

[user5575708]

doesn't overclocking increase the risk of overheating?

[Death]

Overclocking a budget processor can definately lead to over heating. When a processor is stamped, the initial batch is typically a better yield due to the freshness of the tooling. These are typically pulled aside and marketed as black tie or something similar to show they are of a higher quality. The over-clocking community buys these processors.

AMD is custom making the chips for both consoles. Due to the quantity of processors that need stamped, they are rated much lower than they should since tool degradation is calculated in during the design process. Microsoft isn't over-clocking, they are pushing them closer to what they should be capable of. The box design and size are what compensate for any additional heat build up. Sony's smaller design prevents them from doing the same.

[esemce]

Lol never gonna happen. You will be lucky to get 1080p @60fps.

[dantesparda]

Come on Sony, you're sleeping on it here. You gotta up your game. First they up their GPU to 853mhz and now theirZCPU to 1.75, all the meanwhile what are you doing? just sitting on your @ss? Come on Sony you're slipping. And i know the Sony fanboys are gonna go all disagree on my @ss, but i just want a better product. This makes it look like MS is trying alot harder, while Son y just sits on their butt, being all complacent with what they got. Screw that, make it better

[abzdine]

"Xbox One now in full production with improved CPU performance"

of course! better luck next time

[KazHiraiFTW]

Now witness a price increase to $549.99

[BlueBlood17]

Jaguar chips are built with an optimum clock speed of between aroun 2-2.2 GHz... The PS4 FCC documentation stated that some cores can go up to 2.75 GHz if absolutely needed! I expect this to be used intelligently, with certain core speeds increasing when others aren't being used. :)

[dantesparda]

Why are people disagreeing with making it better?! Fanboys are retards!

[nypifisel]

I take it you're being sarcastic? 150mhz really won't show at all. And before anyone starts throwing shit around I take it you OC as much as I do, but if you did you wouldn't disagree with me. The end!

[dantesparda]

Screw that, i want the PS4 to have at least a 2ghz CPU and i wish its GPU was 850mhz or more.
Heck I wish it had the other 2 missing CU's (to bring it to 20 CU's). Im not trying to diss the systeem or Sony, i just want the system to be better.

I mean seriously the systems arent even out yet and they are already struggling to do 1080/60fps. So more powerful the better. At least MS is pushing to make their system better than initially announced. What the hell is Sony doing? Just being happy and satisfied with their specs while MS keeps upping theirs?

Over at DigitalFoundry they are already claiming that the X1 CPU is more powerful than the PS4's, they think its got a 30GB bus from CPU to the DDR3 RAM, while they think that the PS4 only has 20GB bus, and the CPU is already running at 1.75ghz vs 1.6ghz and with the X1's sound processor it's further taking a strain of the CPU, while the PS4 just has mp3 decompressors for sound. I want the PS4 to be alot better than the X1, not just a little bit better. So stop disagreeing with me just because you's think im dissing Sony. Im trying to push them

[aceitman]

well it went from 1.6 ghz to 1.75 which the spec sheet said 1.6 - 2 ghz so that's expected at least we know its locked at 1.75 ghz . http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....

[black0o]

they gotta do what ever minimizes that GAPE

[starchild]

I think you have been watching too much porn. Don't you mean 'gap'?

[k2d]

Of all the contexts in the English language you bring up porn. That says more about you than him ;)

[KazHiraiFTW]

M$'s butthole has been reamed so hard by Sony the last few months I don't think there is any chance of that GAPE getting any smaller.

[kewlkat007]

Yes, your only able to do these overclocks without yield issues.

The xboxOne seems to be quite flexible and have had some room to gain a little here and there for overall system performance.

I hope it's one efficient box with that custom architecture. I'm excited for the Fantasy football app but I'm in ESPN and Yahoo leagues which won't be available till Next year...grrr

[dmeador]

Same, I was hoping ESPN would be available at launch. I'm thinking about gaming the system, and making a NFL.com team with my players, haha.

[kewlkat007]

Hey I wonder if that is possible.

[NextGen24Gamer]

•Custom Jaguar x86-64 cores at 1.75 GHZ, two clusters of 4 cores
•68 GB/sec peak bandwidth to off-chip 8GB DDR3 memory.
•204 GB/s peak bandwidth to 32MB of on-die storage.
•47MB of cache
•8G DDR3 and 8G FLASH
•Coherent Shared Memory
•Memory sharing & bandwidth (HSA HUMMA)
•DX11.1+ GPU @ 1.71 BILLION POLYGONS A SECOND ( This applies only to the core GPU )
•264GB/s total memory bandwidth
•GPU CONTAINS 15 co-processors ( seperate from the core GPU )
•500 GB HARD DRIVE ++
•Audio offload processor 15 GFLOPS

Xbox One CPU Schematic

Notice all the extra co processors aside from the core GPU. Its this core GPU TFLOPS figure used in comparison to PS4's GPU TFLOPS. It will be interesting as PS4 in its entirety only has 7 co processors. Xbox One has 15 on the GPU side alone.

Be interesting to see how this turns out. Microsoft did say dont always believe whats on paper. And that it may turn out that design is better than numbers. They look to have the design to back up their claim. Tey did pay AMD 1.2 billion more than Sony for their APU design. So sit there and think about that for a second. Why would MS pay AMD 1.2 BILLION dollars more than Sony for lesser APU Tech? Hmmmmm...Something not adding up??? The promise of 4k gaming by MS but not Sony....How can that be with Sony having the better announced specs on PAPER???? If you put the pieces of the puzzle together, it's right in front of your face!

So they upgraded both the CPU & the Core GPU clock speeds. They have upgraded and shown NEW internal tech (8gigs of flash & 15 co processors) that wasn't known when they first announced the Xbox One.

They have one last thing to announce in regards to the Apu/Dgpu. When they announce that, they will also announce the release date.

My guess is TGS....All the worlds gaming press will be there and it's on Sony's Turf!

Think about it, what has MS been waiting for? You have to know that they already know the release date, they are waiting to make an impact....

[Kuse]

I want to believe you man but getting Xbox to open up about anything seems to be moot, It just seems like a lot of speculation and rumors.

I'm buying an Xbox One Day 1, I just love the lineup of games and future games to boot.

[iamnsuperman]

Did you really just put TGS at the end of your quote. TGS is the worst place to announce a release date because that market doesn't care. It is going to happen via a press release or Major Nelson's blog thing

[NatureOfLogic]

"Microsoft did say dont always believe whats on paper."

And do you believe everything MS says? They said that because the facts are, they have inferior hardware compared to PS4.

[black0o]

TGS .. lol
u know that (T)okyo (G)ame (S)how .. as Tokyo in japan

[Bzone24]

@iamnsuperman

You do realize that whether or not that market cares or not, that word will get out if it's announced there. You are acting as if a ship will have to be sailed to deliver the news to the rest of the world from there.

[HammadTheBeast]

Lol.

You have absolutely ZERO knowledge of what you just wrote.

Please stop just copy pasting PR.

[thekhurg]

LMAO

Trollololololol.

[Eonjay]

Nice specs but PS4 still wins. Microsoft is claiming 1.31 TFlops worth of graphics power. They would NOT claim less than what it is. Sony is claiming 1.84TFlops worth of graphics power.

Thats 500GFlops more. That will matter. It is what it is.

[Clarence]

Stop it.

[Indo]

4k gaming requires alot of power and a nice cooling system to even keep a stable 30fps on a PC. And seeing how the XBOX One is stacked, it be really hard to see 4k gaming hsppen on the $499 box.

[DoesUs]

LOL @Elite....a small increase in clocks, but it's still inferior. They are trying the only thing they can to get that gap down. And some of that other stuff you listed ...er, no! But your love for MS is well documented so you'll cling onto them for dear life. In the real world things are much different though.

[windblowsagain]

Does not have 204 gb's/

102 gb/s

You can't just add bandwidth together,lol.

264 gb/s rofl. Don't be silly

[BallsEye]

@HammadTheBeast

Look who's talking. The sony technician, always posting about tflops and other crap. So what's your computer science degree?

@windblowsagain

Watch Hot Chips before you post your "opinion". I'm pretty sure MS techs taking the stage there know better than a random n4g kid.

[LordDhampire]

can anyone link me this 8Gig flash memory everyone is talking about, I haven't seen anything for it

[EVILDEAD360]

Wow @ Elite. Did not know MS paid that much more for the design.

Guess I have been out of the loop.

It will be interesting if there is something more to it.

I just find it odd that it feels like some people on here and elsewhere seem to feel this way this late in the game.

Microsoft's approach at TGS will be interesting regardless.

The announcement date for the console is today though.

Evil

[Computersaysno]

I don't understand why there are still questions marks or people saying Xbone is as fast as ps4 or its close. PS4 gaming hardware is just faster. End of story. Anyone that says otherwise is a liar and knows nothing about technology.

[Death]

The reason people still disagree the Xbox is as fast or faster is because neither console has been released and Microsoft hasn't fully released specs.

[Computersaysno]

We know plenty enough of these consoles there is no mystery whatsoever to anyone slightly technically informed PS4 is going to walk all over Xbone in terms of game performance as soon as the programmers get a grip on it after its first year.

Anyone that keeps denying it has their head in the dirt. Xbone is a media box with an considerably inferior GPU and inferior memory access. Microsoft wasted hundreds of millions of transistors on trying to structure the memory buses to compensate for slow DDR3 memory, and millions more on video and audio DSPs to make their multimedia functions work properly at the great expense of the machines GPU performance.

Its going to be destroyed on multiplatform games by PS4's proper, games focused custom hardware, there should be no doubt, there is no question, there is no ambiguity.

Bookmark this comment and you'll see soon enough why I am confident about that and wonder why you even doubted it.

http://semiaccurate.com/201... and i'll quote for you:

"......you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

[sync90]

What aload of nonsense! Keep trying, you sound as bad as MS.

[imt558]

So, CPU speed goes up for 9% from 1.6 to 1.75 Ghz
or 150 Mhz. A minor upclock or from 102 GFlops to 112 GFlops.

1.31 TF GPU + 0.112 CPU = 1.42 for XO.

1.84 TF GPU + 0.102 CPU = 1.94 for PS4

[mark134uk]

with all this pushing i predict a average xb1 lasting 1 year before it dies

sony doesnt need to play catch up there already leading

[pedrof93]

Ps4 cpu is rumored to be 2 ghz while Dev kit is confirmed 2.75ghz

[sak500]

talk out of your mouth not your @ss.

[dmeador]

Source?

[Death]

I'm pretty sure his source is N4G...

[pedrof93]

Just google it ???

[DarkAzureIIIX]

The FCC said that they are Identical so both are 2.75ghz

http://www.engadget.com/gal...

[pedrof93]

Your saying that Ps4 cpu speed is 2.75 ghz ?

That's not possible.

[Mithan]

Yes but it doesn't really make a difference. The PS4 and Xbox One are virtually identical performance wise as will become obvious next year as games come out.

The only people making an issue out of it are the retards on the internet that are technomorons and don't realize that the games are going to be the same.

Look at the current generation? The PS3 was stronger than the 360 on paper and it made zero difference. In fact, most games looked better on the 360 due to ease of programming.

People should just purchase the system they want and forget about it.

[hardcorehippiez]

and bingo your straight on point ease of programming. this time sony has extra power along with ease of programming which is making for the more capable console for gaming .

[esemce]

PS3 had a better CPU whilst XB360 had a better GPU so they turned out to be quite equal.

The PS3 shone with it's exclusive studios.

[donman1]

And still looks like a large 80s VCR, still under powered when compared to the smaller sleeker PS4 and cost $100 more. Nothing to get excited about here.

[IamTheStorm81]

Great news.

Hopefully they'll cough up the release date soon.

[nick309]

Typical ms made the console huge to slim it down on the way to next gen. Im getting ps4&X1 but this is just ridiculous... I wonder how sony will change ps4 on its way to next gen, i dont see how you can slim that.

[kewlkat007]

I don't see either..but knowing Sony they could surprise us.

[TheBurger29]

maybe just an outside redesign but staying at around the same size

[slimeybrainboy]

What do you mean slim it down? Did they make the XB1 smaller? Or do you just mean the next model?

[GodGinrai]

I think he means an 'S' model in a few years time.

[BallsEye]

Are you serious??? First Ps3 Was fkin huge.
http://www.gry4ever.pl/wp-c...

http://fakehustle.files.wor...

http://tctechcrunch2011.fil...

Obvious troll

[nick309]

Im talking bout this upcoming gen. Im getting X1& ps4 so... Well i own a 360& a ps3 so im not trolling

[Death]

The first PS3 also had a lot more inside the plastic shell. It was much easier to make it smaller as they removed features and hardware to make it more profitable.

[BallsEye]

@nick309

"Typical ms made the console huge to slim it down on the way to next gen."

Means you said it's common for MS to do that. That's my point. xbox 360 was way smaller than ps3. I guess now the table turned. Let's pray for no overheating issues ( lot of it reported on e3 hands on, google)from ps4 with this much power in such a tiny box.

[aceitman]

anyone hear what the ps4 is locked at.

[black0o]

no official on that .. but the leaked doc says 1.6 Ghz same as the x1

[mwjw696]

used to be the same as X1 you mean...

[black0o]

no some leak doc even said 2.0 GHz

[nosferatuzodd]

Keep dreaming ps4 is at 2.75 bro

[Foxgod]

Another welcome boost, now if the dgpu rumors are true, then the competition will melt.

[duli14]

If not the Xbox One will melt, like the 360 did when RROD happened

[Foxgod]

The 360 didnt melt tho, the hear caused the circuitry on the mobo to break, due to the xclamp pulling the mobo in a slight curve.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What does that even mean, the competition will melt?

[iamnsuperman]

because the other is still hottest on the market

boom flipped that on its head

Just kidding. I have no idea what Foxgod is rambling on about

[majiebeast]

Clockspeed didnt matter according to you awhile back now all of a sudden its gonna melt the competition. So what is it doesnt matter or gonna melt competition?

[Nekroo91]

you really wanna talk about rumors?! because if they were true ps4 is using a 2.0ghz cpu

[Nekroo91]

oh wait wait lets go to facts

http://www.engadget.com/201...

So FFC approval says that the ps4 cpu as a max frequency of 2.75ghz so it sould be a 2.0ghz instead of 1.75ghz on the xbox.

then the competition will melt ...yes indeed

[Convas]

That is NOT the PS4's CPU frequency sir, that is the base clock for the GDDR5 and because GDDR5 can read and write at the same time, it is doubled to GDDR5-5500. Sony would be stark raving mad to overclock a 1.6-2.0GHz CPU to 2.75GHz in that box. A 75-100%+ overclock would destroy every PS4 within days of launch.

There, education. Be disillusioned no more.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

The ps4 iso already being plagued with heat issueps it would be dangerous for Sony to upclock to 2.0ghz in a small thin case with small fans.

[4Sh0w]

Frigid where are you get these heat issues for ps4? Yes Convas is correct but lets not make things up on top of that.

[BallsEye]

@4Sh0w

E3 ps4 demos were freezing to the point they had to stop black flag. Similar problem was with bungie Destiny. Bungie even said they had people in back stage playing it in the same time just in case the stage demo freezes. Another problem was with Defiance and Black Light. It could be demo versions having problems ofcourse but if so many playable games have this problem, we can be worried. I can only imagine what would happen if it would be MS having this issue.

Watch this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

It must be magic if they will be able to put that powerful machine in such tiny box and running at 100% without any heat issues.

[ziggurcat]

@ BallsEye:

it's easily forgotten that the BF4 xbone demo at E3 completely crashed, and they had to switch to PC. they also still have not shown BF4 on xbone hardware - even at PAX as it was demoed on PC with xbone controllers.

and the issues with black flag at E3 had nothing to do with the hardware, and more to do with the stage of the game's development.

[sak500]

The meltdown already began when MS showcased the games / online features / new kinnect camera and ps4 was just showing couple of arcade games and games for ps3 and vita.

[GarrusVakarian]

Nice, boosts in performance are always welcome, will help in the long run.

[theWB27]

Mass production....record shipment rates.
All I need to hear.

[SuperLupe]

Yeah but funnily enough there arent 20 articles pending with that news. When its Sony its front page in no time.

I like the way they're just working in silence, no boasting, no excessive hardware chit chatter or anything. Just letting the games do the talking.

[joefrost00]

You talking about sony or MS
Cause sony games aint saying much compared to MS

[kenmid]

Cool, any specs boost is a good thing, I just wish both of the console will come out already.
And I wanna say hello to all the Sony Fanboys in the room.

[Sitdown]

Lies, lies....it has not passed through FCC, they are not allowed to mass produce. ;-) Besides, he works for Microsoft, of course he would say these things. :-P

[kenmid]

OUCH

http://n4g.com/news/1342146...

[IanVanCheese]

Not everyone saw the wink at the end of your comment it seems lol.

[Sitdown]

Haha, I know.....so many people on edge.

[glennco]

it is because people here are over it, joking or not, every single article is full of pointless comments sounding like the crap you wrote.

There is no xbox discussion here, just weeding through the troll comments to find one or two xbox comments on topic.

Just go away if you are not going to add to the conversation, we have enough children here with no intention of ever buying an xbox, that every xbox comment section is embarrassing. It seems like there are more PS fanboys on both xbox and PS articles than anyone else.

[XboxFun]

@Sitdown

I agree, MS needs to provide another conference and provide FCC proof that it passed. Not to mention clear non PR talk about it's hUMA features. Also I want a document saying the Kinect won't provide critical spying information and upload it back to the NSA.

We also need to clear up how the RAM will be provided for the TV features that the Xbox One is ONLY providing. Then again with Xbox being split from MS and sold off to god-knows-who it will only mean Xbox is doomed and dead in the water.

Even still I won't believe anything that is said, wrote, advertised or shown. I mean this is MS we're talking about. They pay everyone in the whole industry to do their evil work.

I think I got everything Sitdown, please provide any feedback if I missed anything.

;)

[kenmid]

Are you serious?

[Regis]

You do prove a good point however Microsoft said they see no need to do a second conference

[XboxFun]

Wow, I guess people actually do miss the "wink" little symbol at the end of each comment.

So much for being a little bit out the box of not providing the "/s" tag which clearly my comment was.

And before I get more comments and pm's the /s means SARCASM.

Edit:
I just realized I missed the "-" nose part in my winky face. I apologize, I am new to this country and do not know the cultural customs for emoticons. Forgive me!
;-)

[dmeador]

The funny/sad thing is there is almost no way to tell if someone is being sarcastic, because that reads about exactly like a post you would see here, haha.

Oh, you missed the part about the X1 only being able to run Nintendo 64 games at 27 fps, so it doesn't matter what gimmicky kinect features (that about everyone will use) does. Now I think thats everything :)

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

@XboxFun

Funny thing is, I knew it was sarcasm even without the winking face. People here are just fucking stupid.

[josephayal]

More raw Power, but But ill probably buy a x1 a year or two from now but I like what PS4 is going

[Belking]

xb1 has a powerful customized cpu.

[Convas]

But, what about the FCC gaiz?! This is illegal! MS could get into serious legal TROUBLES!!!!

As usual. Much ado about NOTHING.

Edit: I am aware of Microsoft's FCC pass for the Xbox One, this is a response to the article and sudden uptick in interest for the Xbox One's FCC pass.

[Regis]

They have already passed FCC Regulations and Procedures

Then for that I apologize and will try to foresee what you are saying next time

[Kuse]

Oh man this is awesome sauce! Good stuff! Day One Xbox One right here!

[corvusmd]

Sweet, one step closer to XB1 launch

[buynit]

What does the improvment improve?

[shivvy24]

A greater chance of rrod

[buynit]

You sony fanatics are out of control...

[shivvy24]

hey just joking , lol i forgot to put jks up on the comment

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Cant wait to see the final versions of the launch day titles.

[DoesUs]

Yep, the differences are going to be groundbreaking! I'm expecting double the performance of what we have now, and at 4k. That hidden DGPU ....those sly foxes at MS!

[pyramidshead]

Hopefully they'll get DR3 to finally run at a smooth 30fps or at least close to that. Good news indeed.

[Convas]

Check out the PAX Prime gameplay on Youtube. It's almost a world of difference from GamesCom and E3.

[deanobi]

Xbox One > PS4 (in terms of hardware it seems now)

[Nekroo91]

you dont know alot about hardware i see.....

[Deadpoolio]

Someone obviously doesn't know about hardware and just parrots what other mental midgets say about hardware...Sorry but my 2 degrees in computers tell me they still have weaker hardware

[THC CELL]

You and your 16 other accounts need to do some home work fast.

[Haules]

Yeah great! people still believe what MS say lol!

http://youtu.be/CetEqXgO6_o

[CrossingEden]

And apparently you listen to one month old videos. -_-

[Mithan]

God you morons are so fucking stupid, there is virtually no difference between the platforms.

[Pascalini]

Xbox one seems to be winning the console war at the minute

[Yo Mama]

Hahahaha. Oh man. Thanks. I needed that.

[Deadpoolio]

That is a good one LMAO...I really needed a laugh

[iamnsuperman]

I think the most important part of this article is being missed. It is in full production now which means we should be getting a release date shortly.

[jessupj]

This is true.

That is of course, if you believe what MS. I've lost count of the amount of lies Major Nelson has spewed.

But if it is true that's very good news for future X1 owners. I was getting worried MS might have to delay even further.

[christocolus]

now im getting the feeling ms had this all planned out from the beginning...im also guessing besides the cpu speed they may have done more tinkering with the hardware than they are actually letting us know...... ms u are such a tease....i love u..lmao

[MRMagoo123]

You guys really are setting your self up for disappointment lol.

[SprigganN4G]

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

200 dollars, FOR THE CONSUMER, not a gigant corporation, 3.3TF.

Something is wrong with consoles...

[Spoons]

200 dollars for graphics card.

Plus mother board

Harddrive

Casing

Moniter

Mouse

Keyboard

Everything else I am forgetting.

=Way more then a console and will not last to 7-8 years and play great games.

[famoussasjohn]

How else do you expect to use that graphics card? You need the rest of the PC either that you have already built or already own. Either way, you would splurge more than $500, at least double considering the graphics card ate up almost half of the cost..

I'm a PC gamer that has both the PS3 and Xbox 360. The console vs pc argument is moot when it comes to price.

[Stuntz]

uh oh is X1 becoming a better hardware console than PS4 uh ohhh

[Lboogieskells]

lol,lolololol. I need to catch my breath lmao

[Sarobi]

Not really. The differential aspect is the raw GPU's in the systems, not the CPU's.

[Comnsence]

Keep in mind buddy, Xbone and PS4 has the same CPU that is made by the same company. The only difference is the GPU and HD. So try not to overwhelm yourself for nothing!!!!

[Oner]

@ Comnsence ~ "Keep in mind buddy, Xbone and PS4 has the same CPU that is made by the same company."

That is the one thing certain people running around in here seem to be conveniently forgetting. It wouldn't be that difficult for Sony to match that or surpass it (even though it is absolutely not needed imho).

[Lboogieskells]

All bias talk aside, Dead Rising looks boring.

[SEAN1617]

I think dead rising 3 looks like a fun game, however this none sense about the XBOXONE HARDWARE IS PURSE BS and damage control related. Simply stated i will take the words of developers over rumor, Devs are saying that PS4 is a more powerful platform. The end.

[Lboogieskells]

Microsoft Over clocking this thing will only lead to problems. RROD anyone?

[CrimsonStar]

Lol the xbox1 is a giant fan/vent the ps4 will overheat before the xbox1 .

[Vip3r]

The 2.75GHz is a turbomode that increased when the system requries it. The rest of the time it'll be at 1.6Ghz for cooling, quiet fan and lower power consumption.

My 2500k does it too. When my PC isn't doing anything it's around 1.6Ghz and when I use a desktop it fluctuates to 3.3Ghz and in games it can go up to something like 3.5Ghz or so.

Although I could easily overclock to 4Ghz+, stock is fine for what I require it for.

[McScroggz]

I'm surprised Microsoft waited so long to start production. I wonder how many units they will have ready for launch? I naively assumed they were targeting fewer countries at launch so they could have more units than Sony - at least in the US - but now I'm wondering if Sony will not only be shipping in three times as many countries at launch but maybe three times as many units available.

Interesting.

[kingduqc]

1.75 GHz... Most cpu nowadays clock 4.4-4,8Ghz without a problem. On top of being faster clock per clock then amd's apu.

This console gen is trash spec wise compare to what the last one was at their time. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional. You'll have to put up with underpowered consoles and yet you all seems so happy about this. Heck, they still speak of 30 fps or even 720p when 4k is about to hit.

yep, 9 times the resolution playable today. At a heafty cost but by the time get 3-4 year old it will be available for every consumer

[wishingW3L]

They have trash CPUs but at least the cards are mid-range. It could have been worse... Like the Wii or Wii U. For $400 the PS4's decent but unless you care about Kinect then $500 for the XB1 is pretty much overpriced since they both have pretty much the same specs. The PS4 has a bigger GPU though.

[horndog]

"Most cpus clock 4.8?? 9 times the resolution AT A HEAFTY COST?? ^^^^^^^^^"

@KING

You say stupid s**t like that as if everyone who owned a pc had these specs you speak off. 400 dollar console compared to a 2500 dollar rig. Why do you even bother to comment stupid sht like that?? Even pc gamers don't have the set up you speak off or verry few do. 4k won't hit anything since there is no market for that. The average joe is still buying their first flat led and might be experiencing 1080p blurays. The economy doesn't look like its ready to bring 4k to the masses any time soon.

[Comnsence]

Really? Another damage control. With all these upgrades Microsoft is just trying to play catch-up. FCC did prove Sony's development kit can max out at 2.7ghz. First of all do you know what's a "development kit" is? This means that developers can program the system to run at max of which we won't be seeing fir another 3-5 years. So this little upgrade is actually good but not good enough to compare or compete against PS4. Even though I'll be getting the Xbone, it won't be until another year or so. I value my house not catching fire.

[JohnS1313]

That's a smart move. If you have to buy that thing let other gamers be the guinea pigs. Why waste $500?

[SynestheticRoar]

Good luck.

[BOWZER35]

Can't wait for X1

[DoesUs]

More last min panic at MS towers. An overclock like this smells of desperation..But STILL...it's still falling quite a bit shorter than the PS4. Still, multi plats should be a touch better given the lowest common denominator is a wee bit higher.

[quenomamen]

Why overclock it when you already have a SECRET second GPU ?
Ohhhh cuz, you don't.

[jairusmonillas]

They just overclocked it not really upgrade.

[quenomamen]

@ wsoutlaw87

" its found in pcs but the better graphics cards are using gddr5 "

Silly disagrees from fanboys, PC's running BF4 at Gamescom where sporting 6 GB of GDDR5 RAM in their GPU's . Not GGDR3, Guess DICE knows something you guys don't.

http://bf4central.com/2013/...

[JohnS1313]

Does this mean the early Xbones will have a weak processor? No way they can just start production right now and have them ready to go this year. I predict a major catastrophe for the Xbone. Sounds like it will have all kinds of glitches.

[Chris12]

This is a software change, not hardware

[strickers]

I think the XB1 will definitely be the superior media box. Its been designed as such but PS4 will be the superior gaming machine. While the PS4 is not equipped for the XB multi tasking, the XB1 does not have the PS4 graphics performance( GPU/ memory). I think it shows the different aims of the companies here.

[DoesUs]

Not a million miles away Mr Strickers.

[Animal Mutha 76]

Lots of litte snippets of news over the last week or two about Xbox and most of them good.

So nearly 10% CPU and 6% up clock on the GPU that's not to be sniffed at. And yes before a Sony fan points out that it's still not as much as ps4 etc etc we all know already.

The point is the trend is good. Those extra clocks will help allow the apps to run in the background without affecting game performance etc. Devs will now have a bit more overhead than they thought. Forza for example is all but finished based on the older specs. What could turn 10 do with that extra oomph? Maybe they don't get it and it's used for the system software. Either way it's all good and I suspect that MS have a bit more secret sauce in the package that we don't know yet. I don't buy the dGPU rumours but there is more to come I'm sure.

And think of this. If devs do develop to the lowest common denominator then a slightly more powerful xbox will benefit Multiplats on PS4. That's a good thing right? That's good for all gamers.

So from what I've seen in the last couple of weeks:

Games.

looking great apart from battlefield and now I get a free copy of FIFA 14 and forza 5 looks godlike. Plenty of good stuff seen running on actual dev kits at Gamescom and pax.

Hardware.

Better than we thought and improving in production with potential for more surprises to come. The apps, UI and snap functions look slick along with the hdmi in functions. Kinect voice and IR controls appear to be very advanced for those that can use them with other equipment in their AV setup.

PR.

MS are still making mistakes (FIFA) but there is a lot of information coming out which is a good thing. Execs seems approachable on forums and twitter and we have seen lots of actual working hardware in the hands of gamers.

Ive yet to see an actual working ps4 in a gamers hands. Please correct me if this is not true with a YouTube link etc. I will search as well but I've just not seen any working consoles.

I'm happier now for both consoles with how things are going but currently the momentum and noise is about Xbox. Sony seems quiet by comparison in my opinion. That's not a bad thing as the console is impressive but they need to walk the walk.

[kakashi81]

can't wait...(mouth drools)

[AllroundGamer]

after the first RRODs they will downgrade it back again, just watch...

[voodoogts]

The cell processor on the ps3 is still more powerful than the 360 and everyone supports it. When benchmarked side by side our games ran and look better. Thats why we sony fans get timed dlc first for games like battlefield and call of duty and dont have to wait for months to get it. We Asians rule that's why you Americans buy our systems. We have much power full consoles. We own you Americans and Xbox.

Syyyyyke!

[GodGinrai]

and yet the most powerful playstion to date has been created by an american (cerny) using amarican parts (AMD).

"When benchmarked side by side our games ran and look better. Thats why we sony fans get timed dlc first for games like battlefield and call of duty and dont have to wait for months to get it."

What are you smoking?

[Vanfernal]

I don't know... I can't help but feel that the XB1 is being rushed and augmenting clock speed so close to launch without proper testing might be a bad idea. Not sure just how much heat and strain this "improvement" will add to the console (admittedly I'm no tech junkie). It might be negligible for all I know, but still I think that it's a last minute improvement that couldn't have been properly tested.

[CartBlanche]

Pretty much exactly what I just wrote. Not enough time to perform long term QA, to ensure long term reliability.

[marcindpol]

I just love the sound of it :xBone:-) lol

[alexkoepp]

As this generation, the less powerful console is still the better one, xbox has tripled their sales from x to x360, sony has done 50% from ps2 to ps3. Xb1 is gonna crush this gen, when people actually get the hardware the hardcore fans will buy their console of choice, once the masses see what a XB1 does compaired to a PS4 they'll all see PS4 is a shiny new coat of paint, an XB1 is next-gen.

[CartBlanche]

You really need to qualify what you mean by "better one"?

If we go purely on world wide sales, the PS3 has out sold the Xbox 360 by 600,000 units right now world wide, with that gap set to increase as Microsoft have virtually stopped supporting their console, while Sony continues to release new IPs and games on the PS3.

So just on the above stats alone, the PS3 has beaten the Xbox 360 this gen, as neither PS4 or X1 has been released yet, so the generation is still on going. I suspect that PS3 sales will be over 1million units more than the Xbox 360 by the end of 2014.

While reading the above also keep in mind that the PS3 was launched 18 months behind the 360 and has been at a higher price point this whole generation!

If presales are anything to go by PS4 will have a great lead in the new generation.

[CartBlanche]

I find it interesting that most news stories about the X1 these days HAVE to mention that the CPU is now stronger than previously announced. If they are really changing things this late in the release cycle, it means it won't have had a full QA to ensure long term reliability. I hope for Microsoft's sake they haven't made the same mistake they made at the beginning of the X360 life cycle.

[GodGinrai]

In all fairness we really dont know that...The Overclocks were announced recently which suggest they have been testing this for months. They wouldnt announce a benchmark that they hjave not acheived safely. That would be suicide.

[CartBlanche]

Agreed... testing for "months", compared to their E3 announced specs, which were probably tested for a year... at least.

[hankmoody]

They should hire you because you obviously know more than they do, O Master Brain.

[CartBlanche]

As a software developer and occasional game dev, I know that if I decide to just put in a last minute change/feature a few weeks before release, it may all go swimmingly well, but without enough prolonged testing I won't be sure my code is 100% solid.

Well Mr. Moody, time will tell if I'm being overly cautious or if Microsoft really should employ me ;) Only 3 months until we all know the truth about overheating.

[BX81]

For me this is good to read. I was starting to worry about why ms hasn't announced a release date. I thought it might be a problem with the console. They are improving where they can and as a consumer that is what I want to hear.

[hankmoody]

Spit all the specs you want but remember this: last gen Sony had "the better" machine and look how that turned out. So many of you want to believe that the PS4's specs completely blow the Xbox One out of the water when even the devs themselves are stating that there will be no discernible difference between the two for years pretty much. Just let the systems drop and let the games speak for themselves.

[DOGGYDOGG]

Any upgrade is nice. It doesn't matter how small. only people with an agenda would say otherwise. I am no fanboy. I own all the systems. will own all the new ones. not bragging or anything just a single guy with not many responsibilities. <- that doesn't look like the right spelling (sorry)

[Condemnedman]

you lot keep on how much more poweful the ps4 is , but so was the ps3 and I still did 99% of my gaming on the xbox over the ps3 ,hell all my family did :-D

[strickers]

Rednecks

[Condemnedman]

I'm from the UK you small minded racist.

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

This is just PR speak...

Why because... the CPU they had it at 1.75GHz all along... why cause... they never announced the CPU clock at all before... neither did sony...

All we know is AMD APUs are at 1.6 GHz... so everything before this for MS and Sony were nothing but estimations... of a CPU running at 1.6GHz

it kills me that people fall for this PR crap every time... even my self sometimes... They sure know how to push marketing and angles...

piss me off no one calls them out on it..

[JuniorCE]

PS4's CPU is overclocked to 2.0ghz...

[Raziology]

This change in clock frequencies will not yield dramatic increases in performance. What you really should be concerned about with these "late" changes is the time frame in which they were tested. I mean, they're saying that they will be releasing the console in 2013, and that the clock frequency's increase has been made just recently. This means that they won't have enough time to test if these changes would increase the risks of overheating or any other potential risks.
I believe that Microsoft is not specifying a release date mainly 'cause their hardware team is still in the lab doing their hardware-profiling tests, which means that their mass production of the XBox One as a complete console did not happen just yet.

[gdguide]

Ughhh. Quit it with the RRoD talk. They've learned their lesson, and won't take that chance this time. This increased clock speed isn't enough to push the heat to something worrying. Some of you are acting like they are overclocking a 1.6 to 2.4 or something. It's not a big enough boost to overheat anything.

[JuniorCE]

PS4 has a fast clock speed and a better GPU...

[imt558]

So, CPU speed goes up for 9% from 1.6 to 1.75 Ghz
or 150 Mhz. A minor upclock or from 102 GFlops to 112 GFlops.

1.31 TF GPU + 0.112 CPU = 1.42 for XO.

1.84 TF GPU + 0.102 CPU = 1.94 for PS4.

[vigilante_man]

For those who do not build their own systems (I do, by the way) a quick run down on what it all means:

=> 1.75Ghz is faster than the proposed PS4 speed of 1.6Ghz - the first XB1 advantage. Fact unless Sony come clean with their working CPU speed.
=> Extra 0.15Ghz means slightly faster multi tasking so good news.
=> This increase will NOT make a weaker spec GPU like XB1 come much closer to PS4 GPU strength - sorry.
=> This means the dGPU (secret extra GPU) for XB1 is non-existent. Why ramp up GPU from 800 - 853Ghz & CPU to 1.75Ghz if you have extra GPU. You would actually do the opposite and keep numbers as low as possible to keep stable system (like PS4 with their extra GPU power).

If by some miracle the XB1 has additional GPU (very unlikely because these CPU/GPU clock speed increases indicate they are playing catch-up) then that is great news for XB1 users and long term development - providing MS keep promises with 1st Party studios.

[teo72]

It is interesting how silent Sony is at the moment. I bet it is because they want to know final specs from MS before deciding how far to push the ps4 APU. Because the higher the clock, the higher the temperature; and the shorter the expected lifespan of said APU. I'm pretty sure they have commited to final specs by know. But by not revealing final specs they are effectively eliminating the possibility of MS to top these specs. For all we know the official new specs of the XO SOC might be false and might be even higher, maybe to trick Sony into lower specs; this is IMO very unlikely, but still non the less possible. This next gen release is like a all-in stakes in pokergame final of the worlds best players. Millions of dollars is at stake, and both Sony and MS want to win.

[Zancruz]

Lol, No surprise here... Microsoft have always been changing their system up, Just compare the 360 Slim to the Launch 360, The Slim 360 is more like a PS3 than the previous 360's and that pretty must goes for any of the 360's when you compare them together. .. And before anyone say, All systems versions change. True, But how many companies adds stuff to the different versions of the system? Normally a company takes stuff out to lower production cost.

I just hope this Overclocking doesn't lead to more Red Ringing, But again I wouldn't be surprised IF it did....

[myopicraiderfan]

Forgive ignorance, but based on http://semiaccurate.com/201...

Main Memory Speeds, Feeds, and Coherency:
The CPUs connect to four 64b wide 2GB DDR3-2133 channels for a grand total of 68GB/sec bandwidth. Do note that this number exactly matches the width of a single on-die memory block. One interesting thing to note is that the speed of the CPU MMU’s coherent link to the DRAM controller is only 30GBps, something that strongly suggests that Microsoft sticks with Jaguar’s half-clock speed NB. If the NB to DRAM controller is 256b/32B wide, that would mean it runs at about 938MHz, 1.88GHz if it is 128b/16B wide.
SemiAccurate would be very surprised if it was 128b wide, wires are cheap, power saving areas not. Why is this important? Unless Microsoft’s XBox One architects are masochists that enjoy doing needless and annoying work they would not have reinvented the wheel and put an arbitrarily clockable asynchronous interface between the NB and the CPU cores/L2s. Added complexity, lowered performance, and die penalty for absolutely no useful upside is not a good architectural decision. That means the XBox One’s 8 Jaguar cores are clocked at ~1.9GHz, something that wasn’t announced at Hot Chips. Now you know.

So does this tell us that Microsoft was aiming at 1.9Ghz and that 1.75 although better than 1.6 isn't what they wanted or does it tell us they went with an async interface?

[kendoggx]

Still using Wii U DDR3?

[nosferatuzodd]

Ps4 1.8 tfs
Xbox1.2tfs
Ps42.75gs
Xbox1.75 gs
Ps4>Xbox

[Claudinho69]

damage control

[JoeKerr69]

Silly marketing ploys. By the look of some of the comments, it's working though

[jakmckratos]

The four people buying one are pretty excited.