How Xbox One's operating systems work - why splitting the RAM is good for developers and gamers

Xbox One offers a total of eight gigabytes of RAM, a stupendous leap over its predecessor's 512 MB - but around three gigabytes of this is set aside for entertainment apps, system-wide Kinect features and communication tools like Skype, which run in parallel to games. Naturally, this has provoked a certain amount of upset among those who'd rather each and every byte of memory was set aside for the sole, exclusive purpose of (e.g.) rendering every fold in Batman's cape.

[dirigiblebill]

I guess much of this also applies to the PS4's RAM-splitting too?

[MariaHelFutura]

Of course it does. The next argument will be the games.

http://forums.digitalwarfar...

PS4
http://gamer.blorge.com/201...

Xbox One
http://www.engadget.com/201...

Then it will go back to the RAM and how the older ddr3 is better than the newer gddr5.
http://www.amd.com/us/produ...

How every anyone tries to spin it, it's simply not true.

[pedrof93]

This is clearly an answer to the Ps4 3.5 gb rumour.

However Ps4 will always be superior on this matter.

[hennessey86]

My god will you just go away

[dirigiblebill]

It says they spoke to MS about it shortly before Xbox One's announcement, so no.

[nick309]

20 in the first year, 15 x1 in the first year, not that big difference, still getting both.

[sobotz]

Here we go again, tried to spread lies again huh?

PS4 has 20 exclusives, not 30 exclusives

And we don't know if it's gonna be indie, or triple-A games.

And for your information, Titanfall, Garden Warfare, Project Spark, Kinect Sport, Fantasia, Minecraft doesn't count as "Xbox One exclusive", it will come to PC and 360 too.

Ryse, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Orverdrive, Quantum Break, Halo, Forza5, and Killer Instinct. That's only 7. 8 games more left.

My point, more "exclusives" games will come such as Fable IV, Banjo, Crackdown 3, new Gears, and maybe Halo Wars.

Moreover, I thought you guys saying Quality > Quantity? what happened?

[NewMonday]

5G is OK, more can be used with turning off multitasking, but the bottleneck is the low bandwidth. 32mb of ESRAM is not enough for high resolution textures.

[Firan]

You act like GDDR5 is better than DDR3 at everything. That alone proves your ignorance. Both have their cons and pros. That's why DDR3 is used in CPUs and GDDR5 is used in GPUs.

[Animal Mutha 76]

An Xbox related article and you are second poster. What is your insecurity regarding Xbox that you feel you need to list pro Sony points at every opportunity? Especially odd given that most of us know the PS4 will likely be the more powerful in terms of hardware.

Why can't you accept that each console will be different in some areas, similar in others and that they will likely both sell well on their own merits?

You seem hell bent on discrediting MS and the Xbox brand as some sort of lone crusade to convert the masses to your system of choice.

Apart from being a bit sad I find it annoying to see your bias comments in so many articles especially any that discuss the xbox.

Please readers of N4G - we need rid of this person for the sake of sensible discussion and reasoned debate without irrational bias or prejudice.

On topic I'm glad that the systems resources are split into fixed allocations with control on any flexibility governed by the hypervisor. I don't want apps and games fighting each other for resources or paging files which could cause poor performance.

[Thomper]

Maria the troll king, and the prince of copying links.....change the record.

[DiRtY]

Sony announced the Last Guardian, Agent and FFvXII, too. Heck The Last Guardian even won awards at E3 2009!

Look how that turned out...

[Foxgod]

32MB of ESRAM is plenty for high res textures, because its a form of cache, it doesnt hold on to the data like normal ram, instead it functions as a bridge that pushes data around in high speed.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@maria

I really hope that you are doing this to expose n4g for what it is. I actually thought about doing this myself just to prove a point, but just didn't have the time or balls to do it.

You are awesome at being a troll. Thank you!

N4G fix your system!!

[MariaHelFutura]

K. Let's play.

MS talking about their specs.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/20...

GPUs
http://www.gamespot.com/for...
http://i.imgur.com/RbWsWvU....

Official Specs
http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....

The PS4 is powered by specs, not imagination.

[Vames]

GDDR5 is not new, it's been around for years now. Furthermore, the tech behind it is based on DDR3. You console gamers are so behind the times, you know, classifying old tech as new tech lol.

[tokugawa]

ffs mods where is the banhammer??????????????????

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

LMAO, this guy pretending to be a girl on N4G found an article so they could rip it with their first comment.

Have to love the people that go out of their way to find an article to put on N4Sony and try to rip on MS.

Classic.

[Electric-flamingo]

Dude. Do you have a life at all?

[xxxsiegezzz]

I'm getting ps4, but i'm also getting tired to mariahefuturas constant fanboy spec comments.
Could you just let it be??? Thanks!

[IcicleTrepan]

Maria you try to incite a war in every thread. Just shut up already.

[creatchee]

@Foxgod

"32MB of ESRAM is plenty for high res textures, because its a form of cache, it doesnt hold on to the data like normal ram, instead it functions as a bridge that pushes data around in high speed."

Finally, somebody who understands what eSRAM is used for. And nobody is claiming that it will consistently outperform the PS4's GDDR5 in graphics. The point is that it will put them on par or at least close to on par in terms of bandwidth.

[imt558]

@Firan

You act like GDDR5 is better than DDR3 at everything. That alone proves your ignorance. Both have their cons and pros. That's why DDR3 is used in CPUs and GDDR5 is used in GPUs.

Yes, in PC's. But on the console is different situation.

Quote from NeoGAF :

"Both the Cell Processor and the ES RAM are there to compensate for a shitty decision. It was a stupid decision to go with RSX and DDR3 in terms of overall game performance.

ES RAM adds a level of complexity. How much complexity? I don't know, but engine's will have to be modified to take advantage of it, load times will be longer on Xbox One, and programmers will have to be clever in how they introduce you to new areas.

In other words, 8 GB of DRR3 is like bringing a Toyota Camry to a drag race. The ES RAM is a Nitrous boost. You have to decide when is the best time to use the Nitrous tank."

"Back to the discussion, comparing GPGPU and programming for the PS4 GPU to being the new SPU's is a bit of poor comparison. The SPU's had several headaches and complexities.

A better comparison would be: "Taking advantage of ES RAM and DDR3 on the Xbox One is the new SPU." From what I understand this is a technical hurdle and a headache all on its own. "

8 GB of GDDR5 is like bringing a Ferrari to the same race.

Back on the Eurogamer's ( Digital Foundry ) article about PS4/XO multiplatform game difference. That Leadbetter has no idea what he writes. I mean, he persistently compare PS4 and PS3. But the difference between PS4 and PS3 are huge, both on hardware and software.

[Nocando]

Don't you have a job to go to, or something? Or is this your job?

[imt558]

@Nocando

I'm on vacation. And my job is to follow news about XO and PS4.

[quenomamen]

Waaaaaaa, go away, we dont like your opinion or the fact that you have actual links to articles to back up what you say ! But since its much easier to hit disagree and cry instead of posting facts of our own, thats what we'll continue to do ! and we'll proove it even more by disagreeing and crying about this post even more whaaaaaaa! mom make them go away !

[Cueil]

GDDR5 is DDR3 dirrivitive focused on bandwidth at the cost of latency

[CrimsonStar]

lol whatever ur doing its not working the more u bash the xbox1 the better it looks , and the more I want it .

[joefrost00]

I notice the wording sony choose to use
They had a higher number of exclusives but did not say the first year like MS
They just said in development and MS already stated that all of theres were disc based games and sony have not made that distinction
Of course sony has more cause we dont know when they will be coming out dont remember them giving a time limit like MS did

[gamertk421]

@imt. That's weird because my buddy played 3 XB1 games at Comic-con and none of them had ANY load time.

[Spoons]

So, what is it? I distinctly remember you saying the PS4 was the better console because it had more ram. But now that the tables have turned having less ram for games is better? Do you realy have an opinion or do you just argue whatever you think will get you the most agrees at the time?

[fr0sty]

Sums it up...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[corvusmd]

Maria, even when you do get numbers right on Specs, what you DON'T get is how they are actually used and implemented, and how that actually translates to games...Sony fell into this exact same issue last gen, the Specs looked amazing on paper, but never really amounted to more in games. So far the biggest proof that your argument means nothing is that we can actually seem games running on the systems..and so far PS4 is getting stomped..and this is without cloud computing, and XB1 generally running at 60fps despite PS4 running on average at 25-30. Not to mention, it seems daily like PS4 specs are disappearing, and news for XB1 are getting better..like the best looking version of BF4 is on Windows 8 because it uses DX 11.1 ...which as far as consoles is exclusive to XB1...but don't worry, you have a faster hotter burning GPU...XB1 will just make sure that it's using its precesses more efficiently. Your arguments are old and tired...stop sounding so jaded and just enjoy games...Stop playing on paper..that isn't where video games are...either way both systems will perform roughly 10xs better than their predecessor...which already make amazing looking games...so really this argument just comes across as being a spoiled brat. (it does seem ironic to me that PS Fanboys usually argue that the PS4 is more powerful, then go straight to saying it's a "gamer console" because it supports indie games...doesn't that seem weird to anyone else? "We are more powerful so that we can play games like octadad and Killzone running at 25-30 fps and looks like Dishonored")

[Gekko36]

@MariaHelFutura I'm sure the Praystation 4 is going to be lovely and I'm sure that the Xbox One is going to be just as lovely for those that buy it.

Can I ask, what is it that compels you to use the "My dad is better than your dad" argument?

I decided to by an Xbox One because I think it is cool and I recon the features are bitchin!.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Condemnedman]

Reported trolling

[saber00005]

Judging from how many disagree from your post, I say that the XBOX fanboys will buy anything that has an xbox logo on it.

[awi5951]

@sobotz

Your a tard these kids are getting games from mom and grandmom so saying its not exclusive is just stupid. Pc is above the console wars. This is about console exclusive and most of these brats that are buying these games cant afford/ build a proper gaming pc. So pulling its on PC out your ass doesnt mean crap. Halo is on PC doesnt mean it doesnt mean crap on Xbox only.

[WarThunder]

Still.... PS4 uses a faster GPU.

X1 is using a entry level GPU
PS4 is using a midrange gaming GPU

http://i.imgur.com/RbWsWvU....

Its like comparing a HD7750 to a HD7850 on the PC. And HD7850 is way faster.

Like it or not fanboys, PS4 will be faster...

[imt558]

@Cueil

"GDDR5 is DDR3 dirrivitive focused on bandwidth at the cost of latency."

Did you hear something about Onion and Garlic bus for avoiding latency in PS4?

[imt558]

@gamertk421

Yeah, it so weird there is no load times in demo's. Very weird.:) Funny, isn't it?

[SonyPS4]

Please keep your garbage to 127.0.0.1 thanks!

[IanVanCheese]

I love that no-one noticed you are the person that actually added this article.

Keep on trolling my good woman/man.

[Thunderhawkxbox]

U r the worse fan I ever seen in my life ill bet u ain't got tiny brain to think about stuff u saying like other Sony fans I'm not trying to be rude but r u 13 years old or wat ? Get ur act together Microsoft might not win next generation but they gonna win USA and UK they have got enough fans to buy their console. I do feel sorry for u the article hasn't got nothing to do with playstation 4 but u still have to say BS

[clouds5]

I don't get it, all that hardware comparing with consoles... Apart from exclusives the games will more or look the same anyway. And exclusives aren't good because of the graphics, usually.
In fact hardware battles have gone away ay because of consoles and that was supposed to be a good thing. Get a box don't even know what's in there, just play them games.
Now people are talking and fighting as if it was Radeon vs. Geforce all over again :-D
Hardware basically doesn't matter in the end with consoles. It's the games. Period. Has been the same every dann generation. Never has a console sold best because it had the best hardware, it's usually the opposite. (wii ;-))

[MEGAxPAIN]

Dude shut the fuck up. Yes PS4 has a lot more exclusive but you are acting like all exclusive are blockbusters. There's no damn way i'm getting my PS4 for Knack. I don't care how few games it the system has just as long as the games are hardcore. Personally I think Xbox One exclusives are more hardcore. Games like Quantum break, Ryse, Halo, Titanfall, Dead rising 3, vs the PS4 infamous, Killzone, and The order 1986. So please do us all a favor and chug a cup full of blended dicks.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Ignore them maria its just people pretending to be neutral and disagreeing.

[gamer2013]

XB1 for the win. More functionality, better games and superior online>>> a few more pixels and frames.

[wtopez]

Hey Maria why is it that I never see you dropping PS4 specs on the PC section of n4g?

[DragonKnight]

I love how the PS3 split its RAM and was blasted for it, but now that the X1 is doing it it's the next big thing in gaming. LOL!

@TwistedReality: Can you prove that XB1's Live is superior to PS4's PS+?

[dedicatedtogamers]

Maria, I should just stay out of it, but if you're so convinced that "teh blind fanboys" won't see your side, why keep trying? And it's not like you have to convince people that the PS4 is a good option. Why not make a blog about it and be done with it? Just a friendly word of advice.

[FanboyCrusher]

What moron keeps giving you bubbles? Fix this system N4G staff, you you just condone trolling with this method.

[FlunkinMonkey]

@DiRtY + 16h ago

"Sony announced the Last Guardian, Agent and FFvXII, too. Heck The Last Guardian even won awards at E3 2009!

Look how that turned out..."

O yes... You're right, they just pumped out 3 or 4 exclusive game of the year awards and will probably with The Last of Us.. Yea look how that turned out.

[christrules0041]

GDDR5 has latency but since it's unified memory the latency is cut in half. PCs do not use GDDR5 for system RAM because if the CPU and GPU try to access the system RAM at the same time it can only access 1% of the RAM. How can you compare GDDR5 and DDR3 when there literally is not a single machine that uses GDDR5 with unified memory?

That is not spinning it at all. It's just the straight up truth.

[MadLad]

You need to go away.

[Blaze929]

Even if the PS4's ram is superior, why do gamers think developers will cater to the system and take full advantage of it with multi-platform games?

Have we learned nothing this gen? Or is it the x84 that may make it easier to do now? If that's the case - then ok. But if a developer has to work extra for one version to be better than the next - dunno why you think we'll be seeing that instead of equals.

[Groo]

I hear you bro, I use metaphors too much but I'll use vehicles as an example. on one hand we have a car capable of speeds excess of 200 mph, and right next to it we have another car capable of speeds up to 120 mph. If the max speed limits vary from 45 to 75, then whats the point of all the horse power if all vehicles aren't allowed to exceed the speed limit?

Thats one way i look at cross platform development, both consoles can do so much but games have to be as close to identical on both platforms.. It kind of handcuffs everyone to conform as far as cross platform titles go..

[creatchee]

@Groo

An even better way of putting it is to say that the Xbox One is a Rally car and the PS4 is an Indy car. On straightaways, the PS4 Indy car has a top speed and acceleration advantage, giving it a lead. However, on turns and uneven surfaces, the Xbox One rally car has better performance and handling, giving it the lead.

Bottom line, both are good at different things, but neither has a big enough advantage to take a substantial lead over the other due to the track (games) being composed of different sections that require different talents.

[thechosenone]

Did you mean x86? And yes, that's exactly the reason why.

[FanboyCrusher]

That's the thing, it isn't really isn't superior. It's bandwidth at the cost of latency. The RAM is on even ground right now but later on when games get more demanding you'll see the GDDR5 start to suffer., and that's just how it is. As efficiency with the OS comes with time we can have more RAM available, but that won't be for a while for either machines.

[quenomamen]

Intetesting point, but just like with every other thing that we buy either Cars, Dryers, Houses, Movies etc it will ultimately depend on the people making thr games, there great Devs who will always try and push the consoles to the edge like Bungie, Naughty Dog, 2Kgames, Bioware, Guerilla Games Etc. And there are the ones who pump out the same damn game every 2 years , Infinity Ward, Treyarch and probably now Respawn since they are the original Infinity Ward.

[dedicatedtogamers]

"Even if the PS4's ram is superior, why do gamers think developers will cater to the system and take full advantage of it with multi-platform games? "

Because...that is what developers have done since the days of the NES. It's what they did for multiplats on 360, which is why a lot of 360 multiplats look and run noticeably better than the PS3 version.

This myth of "lowest common denominator" needs to die. Yes, of course devs are never going to match the graphics of an exclusive like The Last of Us, but third parties are competing against other third-parties (shock and awe!) and they want their game to look at good as possible. Developers typically used their XBox 360 version for showcase, and now devs are using the PS4 version of their games to showcase.

[Khronikos]

The amount of ignorance and just plain typing out numbers half you tweens clearly don't understand is just lovely. The PS4 GDDR5 RAM is simply MUCH better for its most important source and that would be the GPU. It works just fine for the CPU because they have added buses to communicate with it. Get your facts straight xbots. You don't win in this situation but it's funny to see you people dying to join the cult of the M$ lies. The latency is unremarkable in this case. A non-issue as Cerny has stated many times.

[ehandlr]

GDDR5 Latency is a fallacy....

[MRMagoo123]

just like a few ppl have mentioned, the latency involved with the gddr5 ram is so tiny its isnt a factor, it seems to me some xbone fans think that the rams are on even ground because of the latency but they arent even close the gddr5 is far superior to the ddr3 for gaming its not even funny.

ppl thinking that games wont be running better on the ps4 are only kidding themselves, they will run better and you wanna know why ? its because the ps4 is more powerful AND its easier to make games on, which means ps4 games will take less effort to make better than the xbone games then the effort it takes to make the xbone games in the first place.

If you xboners dont want ppl talking about the ps4 and saying its better just admit the fact it is better and dont argue the FACT in the first place. Its like arguing whether the sun is hot or not.

[hardcorehippiez]

i'll tell you what exactly i learned about this gen. xbox owners would study multiplat differences and claim superiority over graphics over the smallest of things like blades of grass missing or shadows ect. now that the ps4 is supposedly better these same people are playing the graphics dont matter bullshit and crying foul when facts seem to be pointing at ps4 being better graphically . so what has changed . i couldnt care less though i'll be sticking with sony for the same reason i always have and that is that i like their franchises as i have been playing ps since it came about and i like what it offers.

[christrules0041]

And the same can't be said for Microsoft and the "infinite power of the cloud?"

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Gaming media usually goes along with what they think consumers and the hardcore gamer who goes to sites is thinking.

Sony needs to come up with an answer to all of this, one that doesn't redefine what an OS or memory is. I can't believe how PS4 fans have gone to thinking just like the Xbox One fans were right after E3.

[StoutBEER]

Lol @sobotz Whatever helps them feel good about their purchase. That's all it is. Or they just ENJOY arguing like children, which is probably the case.

[Godz Kastro]

And there he or she is again... Can someone post some PS news for Maria? Please? Unless the PS isnt as interesting as he/she thinks.

[Cueil]

no... at least I would assume not... Microsoft split it up with vitural machines so that in itself makes things different

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"We find ourselves in a position where if we want to change the [Application Programming Interfaces] and make a bigger buffer or talk to a service that has slightly different requirements, and we need 10 more bytes of RAM - 10 bytes - some game is going to start crashing. We have to be extremely careful and offer up a very predictable environment to the game developers to get the best games on your console."

5 gigs for games is seriously plenty for games. Its funny how people forget we are gaming on consoles and not PC's.

Honestly, devs are working with 5 gigs on console instead of 512 or 256 MB of memory. That's a huge jump for console.

I'm glad MS is figuring out a good balance between devs and its OS system.

Software is MS forte after all.

[Redgehammer]

Maybe even it's "thirte nine"?

[dedicatedtogamers]

As we've learned more and more about these consoles, I think what is going on is that both Microsoft and Sony are trying to be conservative. 5 to 6 Gigs of RAM for a console game is more than enough right now. Down the line? Perhaps the OS on both systems will shrink and both systems will get another half-Gig or a full Gig of extra RAM opened up for gaming.

Both companies want to make sure if the "other guy" or some piece of tech from outside the industry comes out with a must-have feature they can adjust (the limitations of last-gen tech are why, for instance, the PS3 was never able to get cross-game chat). What if the hand-having controls end up being a must-have feature? I'm not saying they WILL, but what if? Sony has a camera and I imagine they'd want to implement those features. It's far better to play catch-up than to not catch-up at all.

Now, here's the thing. Neither Sony nor Microsoft is going to admit "our OS is bloated right now, but it will get smaller later". Um, nope. They're going to talk it up and say how sleek and flawless it is and then LATER they'll say "hey, our flawless OS that uses 3 Gigs of RAM? Well, we made it even MORE flawless while also using less RAM and now an extra .5 Gig is available for gaming. Dun dun DUN!"

[3-4-5]

Regardless of how much RAM PS4 & XB1 have, :

Current Gen uses 512 mb of ram.

Think about that for a second people.

The Wii U, Obviously the weakest of the 3 next gen consoles, still has an increase of 4X what we currently have available to dev's.

Look at the games they've made on just 512 mb.

Too many people are being Tech Snobs about stuff that, in the long run won't even matter outside of maybe 8-10 games over the span of 10 years.

[HammadTheBeast]

Well that's simplifying it. Which is great, considering 90% of the posters on this comments section have 0 clue about what they're talking about, and are pulling up links to random stuff which is irrelevant, or PR releases.

[avengers1978]

Isn't it common sense that both XB1 and PS4 will need some ram for there OS. They both do a lot more than just insert game and play it

[ChrisW]

When a PC game states that its minimum RAM requirement is 2Gbs, you also have to consider the amount of RAM that is for the OS, which is constantly running in the background. OSs like Win7 require 1Gb for 32bit and 2Gbs for 64bit. So, if you're running Win7 64bit, you most definitely need more than the minimum 2Gbs in order to run the game smoothly.

The same absolutely goes for the next-gen consoles.

It's simple logic.

[CaptainofCrush]

The hypervisor enables developers to utilize up to 7GB.

[Minato-Namikaze]

I dont really understand this. if they make a games that uses 7GB, what happens when the OS need more than 1 GB ram? does it crash? Why set aside 3GB if the OS really only needs 1GB? Can you explain to me how this works?

[nick309]

Imo it will need from 1-2 gb of ram for the os, the explanation is that the games have their own ram, while the os has its own. It might need that much of ram to browse the web, use the psn store, download while playing , and all these multitasking features.

[slimeybrainboy]

They will have some RAM set aide just for further improvements to the OS.

So say they limit games to 5GB now even though they are only using 1GB for the OS, because then they have 2GB RAM spare. They can add the feature without the game crashing. Last gen the PS3 couldnt add party chat because they had not saved enough RAM for the feature to be added.

Later in the console lifecycle they can optimise the OS' RAM usage, and can see that new features aren't coming and decrease the amount that is reserved for the OS and give more back to the games.

[nukeitall]

@Minato-Namikaze:

To answer your two fold question:

a) what happens when OS needs more than 1GB of RAM and none is available?

You are often given paged memory, which in essence means it is laid out on your hard drive or your consoles start to trash that is, it swaps the data back and forth between RAM and hard drive. This is obviously not good as it is extremely slow. So in a strict console, the OS will deny the game the memory. In essence, this will never happen, because the game is designed for a set amount of RAM in the first place.

That said, 4-5GB RAM dedicated to games is a huge amount, coupled with the hard drive acting like a cache.

b) Why set aside 3GB if the OS really only needs 1GB?

The short answer is to ensure that you don't run into the "PS3 cross game chat problem". That is, the PS3 OS used too much RAM (at 48MB RAM), and wasn't able to accomodate cross game or party chat. That is why the PS3 never got that feature.

So reserving RAM even though it isn't used is to accommodate unseen and unknown features in the future.

However, there is one thing more important than just the amount. It is intelligent use of memory. The Xbox 360 since the birth of the console always used 32MB RAM footprint. It can still accomodate cross game and party chat, while contrasting the PS3 whom uses 50%, and has fewer features.

In essence, the Xbox 360 had far more efficient memory use than PS3. Of course the need for future features is unknown, so it is reasonable not to give so much memory to games, especially when they still don't need it, and may never do.

I hope that answers your question.

[Elit3Nick]

If you are in game, the OS shouldn't need much memory since it's not consuming a lot of resources. BTW the 3GBs of RAM is still a rumor, based off the assumption that the PS4 used 1GB for its one OS therefore the X1 uses 3GBs for its three OSs. The thing is, only one of the "OSs" is an actual full fledged OS, the other two are the snapping system, which won't consume any resources until you use it, and the other is the hypervisor, which allows the OS the use a smaller amount of resources when you are in game, or use more resources if it needs to do intensive work.

[Mikeyy]

Here we go with the hypervisor bs again...

Provide a link or just stop, this doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit it with how you develop video games on a static system were numbers are absolute.

[PFFT]

A little bit more info on Xbox One Hypervisor.

http://www.giantbomb.com/xb...

[DarkHeroZX]

The more I read it the more of a bottleneck it seems. First of all Hyper vision requires the use of of even more memory and CPU usage. Secondly while it could free up more memory they have to shut down more and more features to do so completely negating the multimedia box the X1 is being hyped up to be. I honest think MS should have kept gaming in mind first like Sony and Nintendo. Then if they wanted to turn the X1 into a multi-functional device they could have easily done so over time with firmware updates.

[testerg35]

DarkHeroX, I thought PS4 kinda does the samething. The OS takes a chunk of memory and the game can request for more if needed.

[DarkHeroZX]

Yeah but I thought the point of the X1 was to run the social functions seemlessly in the background. The X1 is just looking like a more expensive PS4 now. I mean what about the cloud? I thought this was suppose to make the X1 3X more powerful. Why would the they even need such a feature if cloud is the future?

[CuddlyREDRUM]

You probably bought Google Glass?

Stop with all this nonsense.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

I don't think you know what a hypervisor is....

[n4rc]

Great article.. I'm excited..

"Xbox One's gaming partition gets the "majority of the resources of the box", according to Multerer, and runs a "very thin" (that's to say, non-memory intensive) operating system - so "thin", in fact that games "pretty much sit right on top of the hardware", granting all but unfettered access to its capabilities. It gets the lion's share of the machine's processing power when games are playing, too - some 90%, "

Awesome

[Gazondaily]

I don't see anything wrong in what MS are doing here. Predictability, as they state, is really important for developers. They need to know exactly what they have to play around with.

But this is a balancing act on the part of MS as well. On the one hand, you're future proofing your console in terms of the myriad of apps and other OS processes that will make use of the RAM, but on the other hand, at the tail end of the generation, developers will inevitably want more RAM to play with and, or maybe 3 years down the line (like Mike Cerny hinted), you'll see the difference between the PS4 or X1 manifest itself in a more profound way.

But, I do think MS have done the right thing here. They did a great job with the OS on the 360 and the X1 seems to be carrying on that legacy here.

[super_cuddles]

Ha ha, you said stupendous, how ridiculous.

[vigilante_man]

The only concern is the amount of CPU required for the 3 OS systems and running virtual machines. There is always an overhead.

But much better than the 360.

[DiRtY]

yeah, apparently just 11x the amount of Xbox 360s total RAM dedicated for games and 7x for the OS is not enough.

Damn N4G...

[jamsam360]

@Maria So when you picking up your Xbox one day one edition! You know you will!

[Thehyph]

Maria is like a not funny version of elpresador.
Just ignore the account. I'm buying a ps4, but I certainly don't put up with people who act like I did when I was a teenager.
Buy whichever one you want. Forget what other people want you to get.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

"Stuck!"

[BattleTorn]

Has Microsoft just one up'd the competition in transparency?

After all, it hasn't been how the Xbox One splits it's RAM that has been in recent news.

[Jumper09]

Lol at people believing that 4,5GB Rumor for the PS4. Its false. Stated by some devs and insiders.

[Yo Mama]

"When this one weapon is too strong, it's too easy to beat the bad guys and it's not fun, when the defences are too strong and you're not hurting anyone it's no fun. You've got to have the right balance. We need to have the right balance in the next generation console to fit these needs."

Did Microsoft really just say that they intentionally made it harder on themselves and developers because it was too easy to have a single pool of unified ram?

Hahahahaha. And this other bit made me LOL.

"Naturally, this has provoked a certain amount of upset among those who'd rather each and every byte of memory was set aside for the sole, exclusive purpose of (e.g.) rendering every fold in Batman's cape.

According to Xbox's director of development Boyd Multerer, however, that kind of all-or-nothing thinking simply isn't reflective of the myriad functionality players now expect of their consoles."

I love how in the one paragraph it says what gamers would actually prefer, then in the next paragraph the Microsoft guy says what they know gamers want. Lol, Microsoft you cray cray!

[dirigiblebill]

The stuff about players multi-tasking rings true, though. I know that I've always got the laptop open when I'm playing a game, to check Twitter, FB, etc.

[Nocando]

I disagree with your face.

[Clarence]

It's just a few months away. Then we will see which console out does the other. My money is on the PS4. The rumors about 4.5gb are false.

[opinska]

You're false, go away troll!

[slimpickens]

Out does XB1 how? I mean we already know the XB1 does much more as a console with features surpassing last generations attempt. Then we know the games for XB1 look on par and in many cases better then whats been shown on PS4 thus far. Surely both consoles will have better looking games but at launch you shouldn't expect PS4 to out do anything.

[BattleTorn]

I love how Sony fans enter a Xbox One article to say nothing more than they don't believe the PS4 RAM rumors. And furthermore that they say the rumor are "false." How presumptuous!

They don't even both to say "I believe" the rumor are incorrect, or I expect Sony to denounce the rumors soon enough - no, no they KNOW in their heart of hearts that the rumors outright FALSE.

God knows, Microsoft fans would never get away with giving their company such benefit of the doubt. (Think about that saying for minute - BENEFIT of the doubt - There is an inherent benefit in simply not clarify on their specific RAM allocation, you're letting them benefit from you not actually knowing for sure)

You know, I actually kinda like how Microsoft being soo vilified has caused them to be much more diligent in their customer relations. I actually like that - with their greedy reputation - gamers are constantly keeping them in check. Cause, heaven knows, if I was on the other side of the fence I'd have to denounce all the negativity solely on my own determination, without official facts!

[Elit3Nick]

Be careful with words like presumptuous, you might hurt the trolls' brain ;)

[Elit3Nick]

you know something that MS has never done? removing important features after launch. MS worked to get RROD under control with more efficient GPUs, especially the Unicorn chip. But Sony did something that is completely unacceptable, they removed Linux support and backward compatibility after the PS3 released, despite advertising these two features. This was why PSN got shut down by Anonymous, because they deemed this unacceptable.

[Persistantthug]

Sony didn't REMOVE backwards compatibility from anyone.

If you bought a B/C PS3, it is still backwards compatible.

[slimpickens]

And so what happens if you purchase a non B/C PS3? You people following Sony like they're somehow the good guys of gaming amaze me. You should get the system you want and leave it at that. My friends and I are all going XB1 simply because we don't follow the hype train of bs!

[AceofStaves]

XBox fans comment in Sony articles. So what's your point? I'd rather read a variety of points of view in the comments section.

All we're seeing here is a reversal of fortunes. Sony got a lot of crap (rightfully so) for some of their decisions with PS3. Now, it's MS feeling the heat. That's all. It's the 'Cycle of Butthurt.' lol

[BattleTorn]

I definitely agree that which company is receiving the overwhelming majority of critizism is clearly cyclical - that's how competition works in gamers advantage

[Nocando]

No, Xbox fans rarely comment on Sony articles. I am an Xbox fan, and I don't go in to articles I have no interest in. Not to say Sony sucks, because they make awesome products that appeal to millions of people, just not me. And that is what irks a lot of Sony fanboys, they just can't accept that someone would choose anything over Sony, which to me is what defines a fanboy.

[LogicStomper]

You know, for every Microsoft-sided fan-boy you show me, I could show you 10 Sony-fanboys trolling in the other's news.

[Clarence]

The sites called News 4 gamers. Anybody can comment on any article. It doesn't matter if its about M$ or Sony. I'm sure you commented of Sony articles.

I can goto a Sony article and its lit up with Xbox fans talking $hit. The door swings both ways. I wouldn't want to come to a gaming website in which everyone agrees. How boring that would be. Sony debunked the rumors about the PS4 having DRM. 4.5gb for games BS. The people who said 4.5 have now changed it 5.

Don't be mad at Sony fans be mad at M$ and how they tried to $h!t on the gamers.

[BattleTorn]

People are absolutely free to comment in regards to both companies, and compare them as much as they like. I was specifically address the comments that made no attempt to discuss the X1's RAM (the subject of the article) - and immediately went to discussing/denouncing the PS4 RAM rumor. (which wasn't a subject of the article)

There's comparing the two, then there's just being flatout off-topic.

[Urusernamesucks]

Thats bs. You go to a sony article , there are sony fans. You go to an xbox article, its mixed with sony trolls running around like headless chikens while the xbots try to catch them and kick em out.

When theres no room in hell...they come here.

[slimpickens]

Whatever the case Sony screwed over it's gamers by charging online fee's now. The main reason to even go Sony last gen was for free online play but now you're getting a console that's pretty much the Xbox. Then once you add on the extras that some will want day one I wonder just how much it will all come out to. Sony is slick for pulling this over on it's fanbase.I for one will stick with xb1 because I know exactly what to expect day one.

[British_Knight]

Exactly how did Microsoft try to shit on gamers? Microsoft's DRM policies - 24 hour check-in, which I didn't agree with, was put in place to police shared games. Microsoft received a tidal wave of backlash that prompted them to reverse the policies. I'm glad Microsoft wasn't stubborn and opted not to force change onto gamers.

During the XBOX One reveal, in May, Microsoft gave an overview of the console's capabilities. I, and millions of other gamers, wanted to see more games, but the lion's share of gamers/spectators were irrational. E3 was less than 3 weeks away, and Microsoft chose to make a conscious decision to focus primarily on games at E3, which they did - even more so than Sony.

At E3, Sony received a boisterous round of applause from disgruntled gamers by stressing that PS4 wouldn't feature any invasive DRM measures like XBOX One, and PS4 would cost $399.

Microsoft, which happens to be one of the best companies in the world from a financial prospective (check Forbes), decided to revise their business strategy and abolish the DRM rules. So all of the restrictive features Jack Tretton lambasted Microsoft for including in XBOX One during E3 have all be reversed by Microsoft.

I applaud Microsoft for correcting errors and doing what is necessary to appease gamers, as well as make a profit. People have complained about the XBOX One price of $499. The price is justified do to a slew of features and a vastly improved Kinect. In two years, once game developers discover innovative ways to include Kinect features into hardcore games, XBOX One will be the best console. However, Microsoft has to remain committed to digging into their deep pockets to enhance their games catalogue; otherwise, PS4 will remain on equal ground or gain a slight edge despite X1 having better features.

[PablitoPaperito]

What I noticed is Sony zombiez are alike to Apple fans of old.

It is a cult-like following.

[MRMagoo123]

what i have noticed is xbone fans take it up the arse from MS and come back for more, its like a big retard orgy.

[slimpickens]

All I know is that Sony fanboys are nothing but whimps who complain about the competition but sit back and get screwed themselves. I say we complain about Sony charging to play online and demand at least a extra controller since it's suppose to be the system of value.

[Clarence]

Just like Xbox fans

[McScroggz]

I think a lot of people, maybe the majority, just peruse the front page. I rarely go to the PS4 or Xbox One sections because I don't need to. I see a possibly interesting article and I click on it, sometimes even comment. If my opinion is negative or cynical that doesn't mean I'm some Sony troll or Microsoft shill invading the competition's space. I'm just interested in having a discussion.

[Cuzzo63]

Its weird how fanboys call fanboys fanboys when they are clearly all fanboys.... Sorry I couldnt resist

[zenezrail]

This quote was posted from the article and I noticed it ended with a comma, so I went and got the whole thing.

"Xbox One's gaming partition gets the "majority of the resources of the box", according to Multerer, and runs a "very thin" (that's to say, non-memory intensive) operating system - so "thin", in fact that games "pretty much sit right on top of the hardware", granting all but unfettered access to its capabilities. It gets the lion's share of the machine's processing power when games are playing, too - some 90%, according to Multerer - though the amount of memory available is fixed."

The amount of memory available is fixed. The hypervisor can't just shut down the multitasking abilities for the game's sake and grab a few more GB of RAM.

[Elit3Nick]

That's the whole point of the hypervisor...

[MRMagoo123]

read up on hypervisor and then maybe rethink what you think you know about it.

[Silentscope]

The hypervisor is the layer of OS that handles the simultaneous running of the Windows partition and the Xbox partition. Essentially it's what glues the two together.

[British_Knight]

Are you an expert more so than Multerer?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am going to stay clear of any "this better than that" threads. I will just say I like that both systems appear to be dedicating a chunk of RAM to the OS. I am one of those gamers that is excited about the "other" things these machines will do beyond just play great games. I also don't want to see these machines crippled like they were this generation in terms of efficiency and speed of doing things like loading games, switching games, loading up netflix, etc.. the lack of RAM for the OS on the PS3/360 really is evident late in the lifecycle of the machines.

[Thehyph]

Yup. Current gen console OS' are awful at handling pretty much anything. Loading up YouTube on a ps3 should not take anywhere near as long as it does. It shouldn't take that long to close an app or game either.
If you haven't used one, try to get your hands on a Vita just to play around with. A vita will give a VERY good representation of what next gen consoles are like. A game can be in a loading screen and the PS button will instantly snap back to the system menu. From there you can instantly close the app or jump back in instantly. It also runs background downloads no matter what you're doing. Most of these features coming to Xbox One and ps4 are already there in vita. It's a good chance to get a feel for next gen for someone who hasn't yet.
I'm not saying buy one. Just try one.

[warczar]

so, basically Microsoft is making a console for kids with ADHD and a serious case of CRS (can't remember shit). Thank god I no longer have to sit through another Call of Duty cut scene, I could be on Twatter or watching 3 minutes of my favorite T.V. program. Jesus, Are we really going to act like quickly switching between different entertainments is some kind of innovation? When Microsoft is ready to talk about how there games are being moved into the next generation I'll listen but right now all I here is BS.

[buynit]

Oh cut the bs with your insults... No its not brand new innovation but It makes it that much better, how the hell can you go on a rampage about this feature as if its a bad thing?

If youre only buying a console for innovation then i guess you might as well sit this one out..

[LogicStomper]

Bro, I'm not even going to go easy on you, you deserve it.

This:

"so, basically Microsoft is making a console for kids with ADHD and a serious case of CRS (can't remember shit)"

Is not even considered trolling. This is segregation against people. YOU are the problem with this world. Do you know why people want to commit suicide? It's because of people like YOU. YOU attempt to seperate those with diseases from what you would consider 'the norm'. Well guess what? YOU are a disease to society itself.

I understand that this can be classified as a personal attack, but your comment justifies and compells me to write such a thing. Being a fan-boy is one thing, but segregation of people? You have crossed the line. I will not stand for such disrespect towards a group of people. You have absolutely no respect for others so I have none for you.

You. Are. An. Ass-hole.

[warczar]

how is that an attack against people with ADHD? do they or do they not have short attention spans? I was merely pointing out the fact that we now consider switching programs a little bit faster innovation. Excuse me if you got offended. I didn't know people on N4G had such thin skin.

[LogicStomper]

In ANY way, does being anonymous justify racism, seggregation, alienation? You are relating a console to catering towards a group of people who have mental disorders out of their control. This is alienation. You are making them out to be like lower than what you classify 'normal'. This is not okay.

You are absolutely pathetic to think it's even vaguely okay to make such insults online. Your utter disrespect towards people with problems out of their control just shows how stupid you are. Learn to think before you type.

And to say people on N4g had thin skin? What, are you absolutely serious? Are you trying to say that racism and segregation is okay because it's online?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

[warczar]

Damn dude, you are really blowing my comment out of proportion. you are acting like I used the N word or called your mom an anti-semetic name. nowhere in my comment did I call for the segregation and eradication of every man woman and child with ADHD. Have a sense of humor and if you want to continue to hurl insults we can always plan on meeting face to face so you can shower me with your political correctness.

[shibster88]

Gaikia has built the largest and most powerful networking system thank god sony thinks so aswell woop woop.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

worlds fastest too.

[gamertk421]

Once again someone who has zero idea about anything regarding cloud systems. Sheesh.

[Elit3Nick]

First it's Gaikai, second it's not a networking system it's a streaming service meant to stream games, where Azure is cloud processing, apples to oranges...

[British_Knight]

You should do a little more research.

[Ozmoses]

See the real problem here is letting someone persuade you into believing something..

If you want a game you buy the game.. Regardless of what others think or any review score or trash article..

Sure... Reviews and word of mouth can help make a decision... But, by no means should they play a pivotal role in YOUR decision making.

I mean it is your money, your life, your system, your bedroom, your decision...

If you want a Xbox get one... If you want a PS4 get one...

It doesn't matter to me... Just quit trying to persuade someone... It's their choice to buy whatever the fuck they want.

It's the JOB of SONY and MICROSOFT to try and persuade us... Not some person over the internet spewing garbage from their ass

[Coach_McGuirk]

the sheeple can't help it

[xActionBasturdx]

Agreed

[Krosis]

I want to see how this Cloud technology works out. If it's similar to Nvidia's gig in any way I'll be impressed: http://n4g.com/news/1321057...

[corvusmd]

Well according to the tech demo from E3 it provides over 500,000 updates per second, and can provide enough computing data that would fry consoles. Maybe listen to the below, sorry it's only audio...there is a Kinect bit in the beginning, I'm a fan of the Kinect, but honestly this demo is kinda cheesy.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Krosis]

lol At the disagrees. Sony fanboys rocking back and fourth saying through choked tears " No...it's not possible....it's not possible..."

I am a PC gamer but enjoy technology. What exactly are you idiots disagreeing with? The only way Cloud technology wouldn't work is if Microsoft is lying--simple as that. Computing game mechanics through a secondary medium IS possible (read the link I posted or research other areas yourself). Are you saying MS can't do this? If so, why not? Do you work with them? Console fanboy kids are such a joke.

[CrimsonSquall]

@Krosis, the tech is impressive. But aren't they using Titans and bandwiths
of a minimum of 40 mbps to achieve this?

[Persistantthug]

I'll explain the issue Krosis.

Cloud Rendering, the way some are trying to infer, as in some sort of avenue for GRAPHICS PROCESSING, is a total fairy tale.

Why?
Because Even if you have really fast internet.....
that's only approx 6MB (MegaBYTES) per second.

PS4's CPU/GPU calculates something along the lines of 20,000 MB per second (probably alot more).

So basically 6MB vs 20,000MB

It's so miniscule, that it isn't even worth the effort.
Maybe next decade. Probably not, but maybe.

[Krosis]

Did you see my link? Nvidia is doing this and the internet is no faster on a PC. I simply think most know little to nothing about the tech and more precicely, what happens in the background of a game.

The way you're interpreting it, no it simply couldn't work. However, there are a PLETHORA of in-game graphics that do not need to be updated frame-by-frame (such as many lightening features and physics calculations). These are latency issues that CAN be assisted via server. Here I found a link that touches on what I'm saying (different from the one above and more Xbox based):
http://hexus.net/gaming/new...

It is a fact MS has designated 300,000 servers for this very purpose. They wouldn't spend that kind of cash on something that has no purpose. Before shooting the concept down people ought to learn more about how this IS possible. What MS is proposing, be it poorly to the masses, simply is possible. More importantly, what they are going to do would significantly impact FPS (>40+) if utilized efficiently.

PS: another thing to think about is just how data that pertains to graphics emulation is transferred from a server and how the GPU/CPU "unpacks" it. Not something to discuss with those who ignorantly dismiss cloud rendering. Microsoft basically needs to address just what this tech will do as a layman simply views it as "internet is too slow". The concept is to assist graphic rendering not do it on it's own--something that is entirely feasible. I assume ignorance is the source of doubt in this case.

[ChickeyCantor]

That's not how it works. The cloud GPU calculate the RESULT. And only the result is send back to the client.

[Mac420]

All these arguments are nice but like I've stated a billion times over. The one thing that keeps me, from wanting to even purchase a X1 ever, is the whole push for entertainment apps, tv an blah blah blah. I am a current 360 owner an hate the current dashboard an all the apps, most of there counterparts on my IPhone work leaps an bounds better an the whole experience with a Kinect or controller just isn't the same. I hated the Ps3 but I think this gen in all aspects Unless you use your gaming console to watch massive amounts of movies an download apps its all Sony. Just dont get why MS wants to compete with Sony in the Television & Movie industries. Sony pictures is going to spank them all the way to next gen. I will probably end up buying both but not until X1 has a drastic price drop. Just funny how so many people try to conform others to there choices. Both have pro's an con's like everything in life. Come here to state your personal opinions, don't come hell bent on changing others minds.

[gamertk421]

At any given time, half of my friends online are watching movies or listening to music. Does that mean they game less? No. It means they can have more entertainment needs met on one system. If one doesn't detract from the other, why is it a problem?

[Mac420]

Do you know how to read ?? To many people come on here to argue without even reading prior post.

[gamertk421]

I thoroughly read your post, and saw that you intend to eventually get both systems, however, my reply stands. Looks like someone's a bit sensitive. My point wasn't to argue, but to state my opinion based on personal observation. Is this not an open forum? No disrespect was given or implied, but a reasonable rebuttal was offered.

[corvusmd]

News just keeps getting better and better for XB1!!!

[Mac420]

Sorry for the double post but hush about the cloud for either system. Until America as a whole learns to regulate the Cable an Ethernet industry nothing in the cloud will be possible. The average Internet speed for Americans is 7 mbs/1mbs. We are around 35 in the world in average Internet speeds so sorry nothing that directly runs the game will ever been ran by the cloud, atleast not in this country till we all have 1g connection speeds.

[Deku-Johnny]

Of course it's good, just look at the Wii U. When I suspend a game on the Wii U I can browse the web at normal speeds whereas current gen consoles go really slow when a game is on.

I can go on the eShop and purchase games and DLC without having to close my game and best of all the things I buy on eShop will download whilst I play, one of the things I hate most about current gen consoles is that they stop downloading when I'm playing so I have to leave it on over night just so it'll download.

[sak500]

Seriously i love the concept of xb1 and will get it but hate MS shoehorning their cr@p stuff into the console. I dont' want stupid skype taking up space in a console i will use for gaming. I have a freaking notebook, S4 mobile, desktop pc, all having skype and all other services which i would rather do on these only. On my console i would just lay on the couch and play games. Is that so difficult?

My new notebook unfortunately came with win 8 and the way the fkn forcing us to use the stupid touch centric metro on it, which doesn't work properly on non touch devices. Also the default apps run full screen automatically even when in desktop e.g. pictures / pdf files. The cr@p app doesn't allow printing or editing and it's full screen and u need to grab the top and click on mouse to bring it down on the side just so you can view the back ground. So if u want to open an image in notepad or paint you have to first make it default or search from those programs.

And one 360, I remember the blades dashboard and was so much easier to navigate but in this tile based most times you don't even know on which tile/app you are on until u accidently turn to next page or start the wrong app.

I hope their windows phone / metro interface tanks so that they dont' force it down our throats in their future products and remove it totally from win 9 and consoles.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

@sobotz

Have a snickers you turn into a raging Xbox fanboy when ur hungry.

[Godlovesgamers]

Its PR Strategy 101: take a negative and put a positive spin on it.

[Izzy408]

So everything MS does is a PR stunt and everything Sony does is legit. Ok, got it.

[Godlovesgamers]

Funny, I never said anything about Sony and never even mentioned the name "Microsoft".

Defensive much?

[jacksfr1]

no more aps please we want the best possible games

[Flames76]

This is why games will look and play better on the Xbox One.We have already seen the struggle at E3 on the PS4 with Assassin Creed,Watch Dogs,and Destiny

[Many-hat5]

I'm not sure I agree with his opening assumption that everyone wants myriad fuctionality from a games console - sorry,I mean media box.I can understand perhaps,the benefits of a smartphone that has 'everything'. Sure, because it's portable device and as such, you need all apps in one place, albeit at reduced performance.However, the average lounge at home probably has multiple devices that are much more specialist and tuned to provide a specific experience.For example,at home, you wouldn't seriously consider watching a movie on your smartphone screen in preference to your dedicated 50inch plasma would you? And it's all well and good using your MP3 to listen to music while doing the washing up or ironing, but for a chilled, truly authenticate concert experience you switch on the dedicated Hi-fi,right? My point is,marketing people are there to create markets -even if people don't really need or want them,that's what they do.Everthing in one device is a brilliant idea from a marketing perspective, but in reality,don't we already have this stuff? Some of you may consider I'm 'off topic' , but if MS and Sony weren't trying to push the multitaking angle quite so much, both consoles would have 7GB for games, and this would be a non issue!

[SynestheticRoar]

That article was some serious spin, but it's 0xm-uk their just looking out for their interest.

[Mister_G]

I've stopped reading these things now, it's getting really silly, all the arguing in the comments.

Let's just wait and see :)

[zekk]

I was under the impression that the ram for the os was a little high so that they couldhave extra memory for features that could be added to the os latter. it would make sense to me since they ran into that problem on ps3 when they tried to add cross game chat.

[zekk]

.....also didn't spliting the ram cause problems for the developers this gen?

[ThisIsSolidSnake]

All i know is that I cant wait to play MGSV on my PS4.

[Foxgod]

I cant wait to play it on my XB1.
Bought a ps3 for MGS, but dont have to do that anymore next gen.

[Ch1d0r1]

Have fun playing it in your respected platforms. Keep on gaming.

[ThisIsSolidSnake]

So long story short.Xbox One sucks.

[Gamer666]

It is simple, to guarantee a certain level of performance for games and multi-tasking side-by-side, you have to tell the devts how much RAM they can use.

[Khronikos]

Some of you people need to grow up. This is simply PR Episode 9 from M$ trying to lie themselves into the brainmush of every dorito addicted tween.

[McScroggz]

I get that there are pro-Sony and pro-Microsoft posters, but I really wish people would grow up and stop automatically clicking disagree to a comment that isn't positive to the console section it's in. If somebody is trolling, fine. But I'm tired of seeing completely reasonable, well said statements get destroyed for no other reason than "It's no pro Sony!" or "It's not pro Xbox!"

Let's learn to have a civil frickin' discussion guys and gals.

[NarooN]

Really seems to me that if you don't want to facepalm on N4G, avoid the comments sections at all costs, mostly when they have 100 or more comments. Too much butthurt, too much ignorance, too much baseless speculation, etc.

It's just hilarious looking at people pretending they know what they're talking about here, when they barely know anything about tech in the first place. PS4 is definitely stronger than the X1, but it's not like the X1 will have Gamecube graphics or anything. In most cases, the differences will be negligible because most people wouldn't be able to spot major differences without some website pointing it out for them.

The first-party games, as has always been the case, will shine the most on both systems. What people need to realize is that other people don't give a rat's ass about what you want. If you want a PS4, that's fine. If you want an X1, that's fine. You want to upgrade your PC, that's fine. But no one else cares, so there's no point in going around being elitists and fanboys.

And I don't know why PC elitists try to act all high and mighty, when I see them behave the exact same way on other sites. There's AMD vs. Intel debates (which are dumb as hell), and AMD vs. Nvidia as well. All these wars are just stupid.

When are people gonna just learn to shut the fuck up, and buy what *they* need/want?

Really, if you don't even realize that the biggest and best feature of these consoles are the fact that they're basically HSA machines, which in itself will greatly improve system-wise performance and longevity, then you shouldn't even be trying to talk about this tech at all. Maybe people will sit down and go do some lengthy research or something, but I doubt it. Throwing around buzzwords that you don't know the definition to seems to be the norm around here.

/rant

[Urzusix]

Whos cares~ Look what Naughty Dog did with less than 1Gb of ram on the PS3, Both systems are basically the same in terms of power and specs, maybe the PS4 has a little more Ram as it wont have 3 different OS's running at the same time. In the end this will come down to First party games, and who has the easier system to master in terms of programming

[glennhkboy]

It seems MS is dead set to replete EVERY SINGLE MISTAKE PS3 has made when it was launch.

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[josephayal]

i want an xbox1 now