Potential for better graphics on PS3 than 360, says dev

The PS3 has the potential to achieve better graphics than the Xbox 360, a Volition developer has told VideoGamer.com.

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at THQ's Gamers Day in San Francisco, California, this week, Jeff Carroll, associate producer in charge of multiplayer and PS3 on upcoming third-person action game Red Faction: Guerrilla, said that while developers will struggle with the PS3 at first, once they "figure it out" they will find "a very powerful system underneath".

[Lord Anubis]

it's no surprise, i mean look at GT5 MGS4 Killzone Uncharted

however, Cell is perfect for physics and that's where the future of gaming will be. I can only imagine how things will be by the end of cycle.

Sonarus the games are calling you

[sonarus]

yea yea how bout we let the games do the talking so far sony has played GT5P and uncharted up to 360 to top that

[crazy25000]

What does Microsoft have from its first year to compete with that?

[The Killer]

the graphics in ps3 uses the help of Cell which the ps3 has 7 Cells CPU's, combined RSX with Cell they can do wonders if devs can figure them out, while the 360 was easy technology to use and it didnt need much time to figure out, i think bioshock set the bar of what 360 can achieve

[HighDefinition]

By years end, I could see N4G basically just being posistive PS3 related news, this has been a massive turn around and is causing some serious momentum for it. Beautiful.

I wonder if the PS3 will be able to gain as much 3rd party support as PS2? Cause right now, it`s on FIRE!!!!

[JsonHenry]

They have been saying this since BEFORE the PS3 even launched... Now would be a good time to prove it Volition!

[HighDefinition]

It`s ENTIRE 2008 line-up is proving it.

Starting with Metal Gear Solid 4.

[Blademask]

1. Forza2
2. PGR4
3. GEARS OF WAR
4. MASS EFFECT
5. Bioshock
6. Banjo Kazooie

I mean.. thats really it.. none of them are on the level of Uncharted or GT5p. But.. there you go.

[Jazz4108]

it's no surprise, i mean look at GT5 MGS4 Killzone Uncharted

I dont quite understand what you are saying, the only game I can look at is Uncharted?

[Genesis5]

I think the key word people are missing here is potential. Potential takes time to develope. The Cell isn't even 2 years old yet. I notice a lot of people in here have no patience.It's I have too see it now,now,now now,now. Relax.

He's not the first developer to say this. Others are talking about games in 4D real time passage. I'm not a devloper but I can imagine these things are not easy to do. People are slowly figuring it out. Well at least the one that are willing to spend the time and resources on it. Those are the ones that will be rewarded(us too) with the awe inspiring real games of the next generation.

[CrazzyMan]

all i know,
GT5 will have best graphics in driving games.
Motorstorm 2 in offroad driving games.
FFXIII in jrpgs.
Ratchet in 3d platform games.
Killzone 2/Resistance 2 in FPS on consoles atleast.
MGS4/Uncharted/8 days in 3rd person action games.
Naruto PS3 in anime games.
God of War 3 in slasher games.
Team Ico game will have best graphics.
Wardevil also will be amazing.
Getaway 3 will have best graphics in sand-box games.

That`s just how it mean to be. You can stay in denial.

[yesah]

yea...this is one of those "well duh" articles

[mistertwoturbo]

Gears of War... Of course, that's the only game you can use to argue graphics with anymore. I'd definitely like to see Gears 2 though, so for the next 2-3 years after that, you can use that game to argue graphics against the PS3.

[MicroDeath SoftStar]

360 has great graphics but come on guys, who in there right mind didn't know that the ps3 is more powerful? as for the article stating that the ps3 has potential to succeed 360 in graphics , its not just potential.... its succeeding the 360 graphics wise right now and the gap will continue to increases for a few years

[JsonHenry]

I will believe it when I see it.

And don't tell me Uncharted, the last Splinter Cell game looked every bit as good as Uncharted (which is really good).

And as far as GTp goes, I have to agree that game looks pretty damn good. But nothing that just blows anything else out of the water that I have seen.

If the PS3 is more powerful, then as an owner I would love for them to prove it. But as it stands right now, I don't see anything that is just so much better than the 360 to make me balk at the idea of buying something for the 360 instead of the PS3. (or the other way around for that that matter)

[gaffyh]

We (non-fanboys) already knew this from the beginning, how can you have ~25Ghz processing speed and not be more powerful? Hopefully now people will see that PS3 is technically more powerful, Criterion devs said the same thing.

[AuToFiRE]

actually.. i think all games are better on the PS3 graphics-wise because of the blu-ray disc, it can accept and hold the HD data where you would need 8 DL-DVDs to hold the same data so it is physically impossible for the 360 to have better graphics

[Blademask]

Multiplatform titles are NEVER the titles that show off a game systems capabilities.

You and everyone else in the world knows that Splinter Cell isn't nearly as advanced as Uncharted, nor did it get any praise as Uncharted has for its graphics.

I know you PERSONALLY can't take whichever goggles you have on off.. But you do have to realize that there is a large group of people as well as reviewers who are praising Uncharted's Graphic Engine as an entire package:

Lighting
Stream Loading
Shaders
Sheer number of things going on and Detail.
Quality of the Models *Resolution*

Splinter cell might have 1 thing going for it, but there is no way in hell it trumps Uncharted in all 3 categories. Thats how you would quantify the "power" of a game system. Dynasty Warriors has millions of things going on, but the lighting is terrible. It doesn't Stream load, and the models are low polygon. If you try to find a comparable title, you will not be able to.

Its a shame that the 360 has no EXCLUSIVE titles that show off any titles that can hold a Technical and Graphical candle next to the PS3. This entire thread has proved that. Again, you personally feel like the PS3 isn't awe inspiring, or impressive. But you would have to understand that you are definitely in a minority here.

You are more than likely comparing PS3 titles to perfection. Because if you compare them to other competing console titles, there is 100% no contest. I stand by what I say when I ask people to find titles that perform as Uncharted does. No one can. All they can come up with is a list of games that: #1 don't stream load. #2 Shaders are no where near at the level of uncharted. #3 Nothing close to HDRI lighting or Dynamic lighting for that matter. Everything is BAKED into the map already. #4 Number of things going on at once. IN 1 title which is the point of showing off the Hardwares Capabilities. Sure games can all have 1 part here, and one part there. But none do the entire thing and look anything close to Uncharted. For some reason, especially on N4G. No one likes to give the PS3 credit for anything. Hell you even have people that HONESTLY think that Forza2 looks better than GT5p. Its obvious to everyone outside of the fanboy doors that the PS3 is newer technology than the 360. Its clear to everyone that the PS3 has titles that could never run on the 360. We aren't talking about bad ports, we are talking about things the 360 couldn't do, and HAS NOT done since launch. I'll be shocked if Gears 2 makes a graphical jump over Gears 1, considering no other exclusive title has been able to do so. The games all look bland, and we are going into 2008 with r6v1.5 bursting out the gates, looking again, bland and recycled.

So when is the 360 supposed to start showing off its graphics? 2009?

At LEAST the Reviewing/Media has turned around for the PS3 though. Gametrailers/Gamepro/Gamespy/I GN/Eurogamer all praised Uncharted for its graphics. Gamespy went as far to question whether or not this is the first title that shows it couldn't be done on the 360.

How many people in the world do you think would honestly agree with your statement that Splinter Cell looks better than Uncharted?

[potenquatro]

spinter cel does NOT look better than uncharted imo.but dude. it's a matter of opinion and my opinon on uncharted is that it blows.it's a dumbed down shooter with lame mechanics imoho. i've been playing gt5 demo driving that slow susuki capuchino up and down,and its just better road textures if that,over forza.the only game i've owned that has way better grafics than the 360 is fightnight and has no online,forcing a trade-in for the xbox version. everybody knows u log on everyday to hype the ps3,unreasonably at many times. u try to hard to make people belive instead of making devs prove it. how can u say uncharted looks better than anything, with a game like masseffect available? ur obviusly a ps3 only player,wich is good because the ps3 is a great machine.but stop trying to force feed everybody that the ps3 is so much better.and all the other blind fankids for that matter.we already have sony and ms doing that. it's a first party dev.what do u expect them to say about ps3? even if the ps3 shows better grafics(wich it might in the future but i doubt it)and better sales(wich i'm betting on)does not make it a better expirience.when dc died i got a superior looking gamecube,only to trade it for a ps2. some of the people that post in here must work for sony or ms,but i don't think u du.do u? chilax

[mikeslemonade]

Duh anyone who believes 360 ultimately has better graphics is just brainwashed into Microsofts BS.

[yanikins111]

Blademask, he isnt wearing goggles. His just playing on a 12inch b&w tv. Give the man a break.

[crazy25000]

just learn to develop for it and we'll buy quality games

[The Killer]

u got that right!!

to the devs, make quality games and use the advantages that blue ray and cell gave u!!

[Harry190]

We already got articles in the past saying that developers
are struggling with the ps3 because it has an extremely
powerful structure of which they had no prior knowledge of.

[wallace1000]

It has the power but right now it is like a ferrari on a narrow winding country road.

[pwnmaster3000]

i always say this but 360 exclusive all look alike. its going nowhere unlike ps3 where is getting better and better each time devs make more games for it

edit
is pretty obvious pog. imean look at the ps3 multiplatform and exclusive is getting better, but look at 360 no improvement, imean the best looking game on it is gears and uncharted already looks better, same or came close to it and that was its first year game.

[iAmPS3]

I BET MY DIRTY SOCKS THAT...

many devs only use the main CELL CPU without using any SPU at all.

[pwnmaster3000]

i agree with you there
dam no bubbles can anyone help

[iAmPS3]

I tried to give you one buddy

[ravinshield]

the lady said she thinks....second as she said the 360 is better with polygons and the ps3 aint.and third the ps3 did cost 200 more bucks than the 360 and it came out a year later which ofcourse should have newer technology but ps3 is still gay though.

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 4]

I do make good gear don't i!!! ;-D

[Pain]

We Always new this. was a NO brainer.

PS3 = Made to Shoot for the Moon.
Xbox 2 = Shooting for fast money now.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I think the best looking game so far is COD 4, and they look the same for both systems. I don't think any exclusives have beaten it so far.

There's a new GOW 2 video on Xbox Live right now that shows off some features of the new Unreal Engine. It looks pretty sweet. I wouldn't be surprised to see GOW 2 eclipse all. Of course, Resident Evil 5 is looking pretty sweet too.

As of right now, the 360 still has the edge graphics-wise.

[Blademask]

Is this really shocking?

Is there any 360 title that looks and performs like Uncharted? That gets called "The Best Looking Console Game Out." Say what you will about the gameplay all you like. But the topic is better looking games.

360 doesn't have to make pretty games because gamers are buying anything under the sun at the moment. Millions of people bought R6v2.

Sony is going to have to convince people WHY having good graphics is important to have a better gaming experience. Luckily some will come around. I like good games, but I love to be impressed by great visuals as well. This is "NEXT GEN" After all.

[WIIIS1]

Lol! 2 games with decent graphics and they're all celebrating.

[bigman7387]

The point is actually that there are two games that are absolutely phenomenal looking on PS3, with MANY, MANY other games with decent or above average graphics.

[power of Green]

Same BullShit different day. Theres Still people saying that?, wow!.

If it was ever going to outshine the 360 it would have already done so like the Xbox did with PS2.

As if PS3 is the only console that has a learning curve. When devs say 360 is easy to develope for the more seasoned ones say easy in comparison to PS3 and say the 360 is still hard to develope for. Devs are going back to school to learn multi thread/core development lol 360 isn't anymore mastered than the PS3.

Multi thread/core development is still not the norm(just now being taken serious). Alan Wake and Project Offset are some of a few titles that use much more of the 360's threads then lets say" the devs did for Geometry Wars.

MSFT just hired some Multi threading master/god about six months ago to help devs tapppppp the 360's power lol.

[heyheyhey]

correction

it HAS done so

come back when you have something as stunning as Uncharted, or if ANY of your games can have as many individually modelled and scripted characters on screen as Heavenly Sword

hell even Lair, the very game you have sworn to condemn outshines everything on the 360 bar Gears

have any photo-realistic racing games? no? didnt think so

and then Killzone 2, FF13 and Eight Days will come- unlucky son, have fun having your head stuck in the sand

@Below

oh great, i could go into the hardware discussion- but its apparent that your already doing the breaststroke at full pace in Denial lake

GTA4 was compressed to fit on that sh!tty DVD, dont even try to argue that it was held back by the PS3

if Rockstar had the full capabilities of the Cell, XDR Ram and most importantly- the 50gb Blu-Ray disc- we could have been seeing a GTA with graphical prowess on par with, say..... Gears

why do i even bother trying to talk to you, your just an average ignorant american- easily brainwashed by corporate bullsh!t

@pwnmaster

ok sorry, scrap the bit about americans- that was offensive

true, but offensive

[power of Green]

Speaking of Just hiring some Multi threading Guru, its propably why so many 360 games that were suppose to release last year and were delayed untill this year.

Smoking hot games like Alan Wake, Project Offset, Dungeon Hero are some very advanced games. Even GTA4 is being held back by PS3's hardware when you look at the creators of GTA's APB.

Race Driver Grid is doing so much more than GT5 and still looks better during gameplay I could only imagine how PS3 is holding Grid back.

[pwnmaster3000]

ok pog, rock* had a problem with both system thats why it got delayed, and MGS4, Heavy Rain, GT5, The Getaway 3 , LittleBigPlanet is doing not only showing good graphic but something new. and please grid is nothing compare to gt5 the demo. why do xbots keep thinking its the real game its the demo is just a taste of wat the real gt5 is, and why you xbots always depending on multi, grid is multi what cant compare exclusive racing games with another

@ heyheyhey
a bro im a average American citizen so am i ignorant

@ heyheyhey
i accept your apology, its not really by the race or were you live is the way your parents raced you and the influences around you, and yeah its sometimes true, but to only to some americans

[heyheyhey]

i understand that lol

its got nothing to do with you being born American

its just the way society has formed there, and the political state its in

i love America and their people(most), but you see their typical ignorance every day

i could explain, but 1) this is a gamer site, not world issues site and 2) the things i could say could be very offensive, and i dont want to do that

anyway- i think we can all agree that POG is a pretty ignorant guy (unless hes kidding around)

[TurdStationPee]

morons. just as PS3 supposedly has these amazing games which are supposed to take advantage of all this "power", as POG pointed-out, 360 has those too. Just look at what Alan Wake, etc., is doing. it requires ALL cores and threads. most games don't even use more than one and look how good they look on 360. you want to talk about potential power, talk about 360, n00bs.

[Blackcanary]

You give me jokes the 360 is slowly very slowly already at its peak when it comes to graphics i really want to see what GOW2. Looks like and to people who say the PS3 is gonna die well that will never happens when sony gets royalites for every 360 game that comes out on Blu Ray when the X360 Blu Ray drive comes out. Again yes i will say Uncharted that game was made using a 3rd of the PS3 power and if u don't belive me watch this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

that another guy posted in his comment. So the ps3 will just keep getting better with its 10 Year Life spam and 360 with its 5 year o wait ant they already getting ready to bring out a new Console or was that just rumours sorry about spelling mistakes.

[ScottEFresh]

"It would have already done so" god damn man how many times can you eat your words? You must be busting at the seems with shIit by now.

[Alcaponedyou]

accept the truth, it will set you free *cough*themart et al*cough*
edit: disagreers, ignorance is bliss

[Booyah]

Well, if you got a disagree(s) with no response, then fanboys must be scared.

I agreed btw

[GiantEnemyCrab]

because you are full of sh*t. Read the article again and tell me beyond 1 sentence where he claims this PS3 power superiority. Sounds to me like they were just happy to get the game running the same as the 360 version.

Ignorance is bliss.

[WIIIS1]

People don't read before they mouth off these days.

[trancefreak]

halo owns everything just ask pog

[PS3rd]

LOL...its not happening!

Edit. Its a true fact that PS3rd fans are retards! to the EMOF@G below, eh??? what does that actually mean?

Could you explain or did you just start crying?

Vicophine. No, NO! i didn't

You see, my name makes sense.... The PS3rd is still 3rd. Nothing has changed.

Keep pressing that Disagree button. I'd like to make a record of 10 before i f*ck off to bed!

Yes! 10! a f*cking record!

[Alcaponedyou]

it's already happening

[Vicophine]

Very sad that you didn't understand his commment..

[MrWonderful]

i know this has nothing to do with this article but how the hell can i put custom firmware on a psp with ofw 3.93?

edit: if anyone knows feel free to pm me

@ below! i know this. i just ask a question, so since we are supposed to be a gaming community i would expect help from fellow gamers that were able to do so not people being rude. and for the record i know how to use google!

[Fishy Fingers]

Installing homebrew on your PSP isnt as simple as flicking a switch. Here's a useful website that should help you find all the info you need http://www.google.com

Try to stay on topic.

[SUP3R]

CFW ruined God of War's sales IMO.

[MrWonderful]

@ttsup3r
i have two psp. i want to play roms on one. i buy all my games so i dont want to hear that crap, but i agree with what you are saying

[meepmoopmeep]

CFW and the June bundle of COO. i would have picked up GoW if i didn't know the bundle was coming out in June. it should have been a simultaneous launch of both the game and bundle. but CFW hurts all PSP game releases. it's a shame when devs work so hard on a great title only to get raped by pirates. i mean if you love the games at least support the industry.

[Black_Jack]

i'm afraid my wages dont inflate inline with the market so cfw looks more and more tempting than ever.

[Vicophine]

It's the fact that the SPU's can be specialized that makes the PS3 more powerful then the X360. X360 can do it all at an average rate. PS3 can do specialized tasks (physics, graphics, lighting, sound, etc.) all at the same time with exceptional performance when coded properly.

[Fishy Fingers]

Better graphic's doesn't equal better game's.

^just wanted to get that out there.

[poopsack]

Yes, and we have many examples of that on the 360

[meepmoopmeep]

that's true but it's the first thing we notice in a game.

[Premonition]

That may be true in one form, but in the other Graphics are what immerse you into the game, so that plus good gameplay= a really good game.

[WIIIS1]

Well if its the same game but with better graphics on the 360 as is usually the case, then the one with better graphics is the better version of the game.

[Rice]

Some say the ps3 potentially has better graphics, some say that the 360 can produce better graphics...some say graphics are an important factor when it comes to next gen games, but most will agree when we say that graphics are just graphics, and gameplay is just gameplay...

I hope i went somewhere with this...

[HighDefinition]

But.. to the AVERAGE public, GRAPHICS definitely matter the most. If a game looks GREAT it immediately gets your/their attention, kinda like good beats with music it just gets you attention. Wouldn`t you agree?

[Rice]

i agree with wat ur saying.. To me graphics are huge when looking and judging a game but as i said earlier graphics are just graphics...

[HighDefinition]

yep, graphics are just graphics. Gameplay hold the depth.

also, good beat are just good beats, Lyrics hold the depth.

beside some instrumental stuff, obviously.

[Rice]

true say...when ever i look around for rap/hip hop songs, i tend to lean towards the beat at times...but i like a mixture of beat and lyrics something like eminem...

[Swat20]

im gonna have to disagree with graphics being whats important the to average public. y do u think the Wii sells so well. normal people who are not gamers who are the average public your speaking of don't care about graphics and don't own an HDTV to even take advantage of them. now that being said i am not of the average public and i like graphics to an extent, as long as they don't come in the way of game play being gimped to make the game look shiner

[HighDefinition]

If it didn`t have the WiiMote and just had a "regular" controller it would be a different story. Don`t ya think?

[boodybandit]

And the cheapest price tag. The Wii competed with systems more then double it's price. People thought they were getting a next gen system for a steal. I don't know many people that purchased a Wii that have used it much. The single biggest problem with owning that particular system is in house games are the best and most devs don't want to compete with them.

Most people I know that purchased the Wii b ought it knowing it would be a secondary system to compliment the 360, PS3 or both. I am going to pick one up eventually but I am waiting for the price to drop. Personally (to me) it's not even worth the current price but I do want to play Nintendo games.

[TheExecutive]

Rice:

The problem is you are right and the problem is you are wrong. Graphics mean a bunch but so does the rest of the game

I dont think there is any doubt that the ps3 can perform better than the 360 (although a year ago it would be a different story and many people on this website a year ago doubted the ps3's potential). but lets face what is coming to us in 08... there is no way that the 360 will hold its own

[eagle21]

Blu-ray and CELL will break the ceiling!

I expect:

MGS4
Heavy Rain
GT5
The Getaway 3
LittleBigPlanet
VERSUS XIII
God of War 3

to blow everything available in their genre at the time AWAY. They will of course only be blowing away PS3 standards of excellence. 360 is done. Only blind fans haven't noticed that PS3 has pushed graphics already further than 3history's dvd9/jet engine can pump out and explode.

[PS3rd]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[pwnmaster3000]

its that supposed to be funny. what you cant make up a good comeback to his comment or make a game list thats graphicaly better for what he listed or is it that it doesnt have one thats better or close. that song should be for you xbots, because we kno thats all you guys do, dream for good games or dream thats 360 is better then ps3 or 360 exclusive with better graphic.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

its attack of the nerd in the red blazer again!

Who also seems to know and has played all those games he listed. I wonder what position at $ony he has? Or maybe he is just a liar like most fishheads who will talk up things without having any first hand knowledge or experience.
Just face it gov the CRAPSTATION (tm) has not lived up to the hype and expectations you poor last place fishheads expected and now you have been trying to get everyone to buy the bullsheet by screaming and be as obnoxious as you guys can be in the comments. Inferiority complex is a real pain but I do not feel sorry for you.

[Primetimebt]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Kaz Hirai]

But it's so funny to watch you damn Xbot PIGS SQUIRM IN DENIAL!
You can OINK and GRUNT all you like- we all know you regret your "console" purchases!

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[Zool 08]

Please Please Please give this guy more bubbles cause he's funny.

[4D]

Hey idiot moderators. This guy just got 12 phantom agree's for spewing his fanboy crap. Wake up moderators. This site is infested with the Sony Defense Force. Damn you f@ggot ass Sony fanboys and your multiple accounts. Just like Sony your living a lie.

[liquidsnake]

hahaha I can't give KAz any bubbles...but anyone who can please do it. He cracks me up all the time :D

[Fruit Loops]

About time developers on the PS3 tap into its true power.

[Booyah]

Finally... indeed and it's just the beginning !

[CLX]

If the ps3 has "7 cell's CPU's combined".... first of that doesn't make any sense. if it had 7 cell processors it would have......... 49 spe's and 7 cpu's.............. sorry to say it only has one cell processor and maybe just to clear things up a little it only has one RSX chip. Notice when Jeff Carroll went into more detail on the benefits of the PS3: "We have been getting the physics system, the Havok system and our own proprietary destruction system running on the SPUs, as well as our animations. We're seeing quite a decent speed improvement now that we've effectively got that running on the SPUs instead of the CPUs." was either miss quoted or he doesn't what the h*ll he is talking about. The cell processor has only one CPU not "CPU's"...... Man i hate ignorant people!

[DJ]

So that's 9 CPUs, 7 of which are available to developers. Makes sense to me. Maybe you were confusing CPU with Chip Die?

[heyheyhey]

of course it can

the way the RSX and the Cell can work in unision to produce outstanding graphics, AI, physics etc is ingenious

the Xenos and Xenon are more isolated like in standard PC architecture

Uncharted proves it, so does GT5, then Killzone 2 and FF13 will come along to wipe the sh!t off the eyes off denial boys

[4D]

You dumba$$. Way to brag that it takes both the CPU and GPU in the PS3 to equal the graphics of the 360's GPU by itself. You just proved how weak the PS3 hardware is. Oh and half the games you quoted arent even available yet. Get on your knees and pray beyond to Kaz Hirai for some games that actually outperform Gears. While your down there you should polish his pole since you sound like some g@y lover of his.

[sleepbox]

and when I see it I will buy one. Cut this potential crap out plz. We know the theoretical specs already.

[CLX]

hey DJ How big is your display?/tv

[DJ]

Does 720p/1080i through Component. It came out before HDMI was readily available. Probably won't upgrade for 3 or 4 more years since I really want the new Sony display. I think it was called the SED? It was just shown at a big conference, and measures only 11 inches right now. If they get it up to 50 with a decent price, I'll buy it.

[Amp]

its the sony OLED

[EZCheez]

And completely agree with DJ (in his earlier post). As much as I never wanted to consider myself a graphics whore, some games this gen have really set the standard. Not only for graphics but gameplay as well. Take COD4 for example. It's gorgeous on my tv and I love it. Games like this make it really hard to play old PS2 games, so in a way I do believe graphics matter. Or else we would all still own Atari's.

[thor]

Red faction 1 was so great, you could build tunnels in the rock! AND it was only a PS2 game (came out on pc also I think). Red faction 2 they dumbed down the geo-mod, and even fewer walls were destroyable, and you couldn't build tunnels in the MP maps :( This new one looks a bit, erm, well they've changed it to 3rd person for a start. I hope that the geo-mod system is as good as the the first...

Well sort-of-more-on-topic, surely this has been said for a long time? That's why when PS3 games get rated, they get rated against what they _could_ be/look like on the PS3, not for what they are usually. Like GT5p getting LESS than 10 in graphics from some reviewers...

[CLX]

Cant wait to see their implementation of the cell in their new hd tv's!

[JVIDICAN]

wonder what happens if you hook up a ps3 to a cell tv?
2Xcell=???

[meepmoopmeep]

once both the Cell and RSX secrets are unlocked the PS3 stands the best chance of setting the bar this gen. look at what it's putting out right now when developers don't have a firm grasp of its architecture.

[Chuk5]

to quote your avergae sony fanboy " 360 has nothing coming out this year except gears 2 nd thats not that great ". To quote your average 360 fanboy " Ps3's lineup is crap
except mgs4 which is over hyped". Why is it so hard for fanboys to realize that if you stop injecting yourself with crack co-hate that both systems are great. I look forward to seeing gears2 as one of the best games of the year and see mgs4 to be one the best games of the year.Top.5 ps3:mgs4,Lbp,gt5,ff13(hopefull y)and resistance 2.Top.5 xbox360 : gears2,fable2,ng2,too human and left 4 dead. That wasn't hard at all.Xbox360=AWESOME,PS3=AWESOM E stop being such graphic whores.Let us not forget what will unite us GTA IV !!!!!!

[SUP3R]

GTAIV is still a hot topic for fanboys/girls because of the 360 DLC.
The game that might unite us looks to be Fallout 3. It's looks to be a AAA that is equal on both platforms in 2008 just as COD4 was in 2007.

[meepmoopmeep]

uniting the ignorant is like putting toothpaste back in the tube

[HighDefinition]

Gaming is one of the fastest growing "cultures" in the world. Period.

Why?

Because gamers are insanely passionate about what they like. By alot of people standards that`s a "fanboy". We argue, we bicker, we drive the culture. Gamers are NOT afraid to say what they like, that`s a great thing. It drives developers to make better games, company have more drive to meet their goals from this. Some people say stupid sh!t, but thats life, just laugh at those comments. Nothing is wrong with being biased, were biased about a million other things in our daily lives.

[bluegoblin]

you should include the Wii ;D
Wii= awesome with lack of "real games"...
PS3= awesome with some price issues...
360=Awesome with some hardware issues...
so ALL systems are enjoyable even though ALL of them have their weaknesses...

[Surfman]

we all already knows that, right?

[Jim Crowslaw]

in 2012 (towards the end of the ps3's lfe) let us remember Violition as the first or one of the first develepers to remember the potential of the PS3

[CLX]

Your fanboy drivel is becoming tiresome.

[TurdStationPee]

This coming from Volition means almost nothing. I'll take the word of the engine creators, like id, Valve, and Epic.

[gabeh1018]

being a PS3 owner, I could care less which system has the "potential" for better graphics, i just want great games!!!!

I think we can all agree on that without having the super fanboys come out

[Tyrael]

I'm sorry, I can't seem to hear the points of this article over my extremely loud SLI Nvidia GPU setup :-)

[eddierivera]

KILLZONE 2 BABY!

[4D]

CGI???

[ichimaru]

PC OWNS ALL

[tweaker]

Thanks for stating the obvious.

[gabeh1018]

yes, but I would rather spend $399 on a console that I won't have to upgrade to play a game one month later. I can continue to purchase games that maximize the systems potential and I can run it at the best settings.

I may be lucky to get a PC game to run at max even after spending over $1500. It really is sad.

[Spydr07]

If you can't get a PC that can run every game other than Crysis for 1500 then you should just send me all your cash now because you're robbing yourself. www.newegg.com. Take some time and actually build one yourself. Hell, I could probably come real close if I couldn't actually run Crysis on high with that much cash.

[GameDev]

about these unachievable crysis specs is PURE and UTTER marketing BS.

I have a quad core with a 8800GTX, 4GB of ram and I can run Crysis at 1920x1080 on my HDTV and 1920x1200 on my widescreen pc monitors with NO PROBLEM, and yes all the graphics are set to max.

don't believe everything you read on the net.

[ROCCOZILLA]

sony needs to break away from competing with the 360 so we can start playing the REAL next gen games.they are keeping us in 2007,cmon lets move foward with our HORSE POWER!!PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!

[pshizle]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

[Genesis5]

Written in 2005. Which in 2008 has been proven not to be the case. Check some more up to date spec stats.

[HighDefinition]

you get my last bubble, for shutting that down PROPERLY.

:)

[pshizle]

specs dont change ala thank you

[tweaker]

Actually the specs did change.

[Perkel]

"So, that's Microsoft's analysis. What do you make of it? Tell us what you think on the boards."

i liked part of bathwind :) they sum up 256 with 44 gb/s and they don't even show that in xbox tehere is only 10MB EDram :) and for more it's only for AA. At 2005 there was no any ps3. SPE in Cell are real deal for devs.

i'm no specialist but find me only one game on x360 that have better graphic than Heavenly Sword :)

I say only one thing. Wait for Killzone 2 and you will see what ps3 is capable of.

[mistertwoturbo]

that arguement would be very sufficient if it wasn't the fact that games like Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank FTOD, and GT5P didn't come out. All that numbers talk doesn't even matter. And keeping in mind, if the 360 was so superiorly much more powerful than the PS3, then how in the flying world did 3rd party games like Devil May Cry 4, COD4, Condemned 2, etc. look exactly like the 360's with less time?

[CurlUpAndDie]

that was some dreamy news I just read. we all now that the 360 "is gaming". Specially that thing calles LIVE. Exclusives left and right sometimes I don't know what game to play.

[HighDefinition]

"the 360 is gaming"

I`m sorry but PS brand "is gaming", for real....

Psone- 100 million (i think)
PS2- 120 million +
PS3- growing more and more everyday.

compared to what????

Xbox- 35 million
360- 18 million

Also, Sony has more in house development teams, then MS has exclusive franchises.

You must be new to gaming.

[HuntTheWumpus]

What is your problem?

Can't this person express their satisfaction of their console purchase without you and your fragile ego trying to make some fanboy comparison out of it?

I know you will find this IMPOSSIBLE to understand from reading your comments but people do enjoy and find the 360 to meet all their gaming needs.

No need to insult somebody because they do not share your same opinion.

[Spydr07]

Aren't you doing to Dora what you're accusing him/her of? Sure looks like it. http://www.merriam-webster....

By the way, I saw no insult in the post you're referring to. Unless you're referring to Dora insulting the MS brand name. Which, again, is no different than what CurlUp did by saying the article was dreamy and that Sony isn't really considered "gaming". If that's the case, again I refer you to the link: http://www.merriam-webster....

[HuntTheWumpus]

You need to put this into context and if this was just one incident I would not have said anything but this isn't the first time.

Suggesting that he is "new to gaming" ie doesn't know anything about gaming simply because he does not acknowledge Playstation is a flame. To this person the Xbox 360 "is gaming" and it sounds like he enjoys the console. Then along comes Dora to correct HIS OPINION! I mean come on, if you can't see that in Dora's post then maybe you should look up the word "dense". He is quoting sales numbers to this guy because he favors the 360. lol

[bigman7387]

Just read CurlUpAndDie's profile. Sounds a lot like another 360 fanboy that I know from around here, I can't remember his name but it had something to do with a tommy gun I believe. This guy is all over the 360, hates both PS3 and Wii for not being a 360 and no other logical reason.
By the way CurlUpAndDie, I have one Blu-ray movie, and I enjoy my PS3 for the great gaming machine that it is.

[Spydr07]

Your point is irrelevant. You did the exact same to him that you're accusing him of. Thus making you a hypocrite. I wasn't insulting you by saying that because it's true. However, since you seem to enjoy the insults I suggest you look up the definition of the word you mentioned with self-application in mind--that is, if you don't get why what you did was hypocritical.

It matters not if he cries everytime someone bashes the PS3 and insults the guy who did it. From your post alone, that's exactly what it appears you have done to him...you 'cried' about his incessant PS3 defending/namecalling and insulted him for it. Quantity of said style of posts doesn't matter. If you really have a problem with him defending Sony ad nauseam, there's a cutesly little button that says "ignore" for situations like that.

"No need to insult somebody because they do not share your same opinion."

Maybe "way of thinking" should be added in that statement of yours. Perhaps then the ignore button would be more readily used for people who believe it is there duty to defend their console to the bitter end.

Opinions can be argued by the way, it's REAL facts that cannot. Whether or not Titanic was a good movie is arguable. Whether or not it made hundreds of millions of dollars cannot. Food for thought next time someone's opinion gets argued.

[TheXgamerLive]

How many years now? In springtime 2010 you'll be reading the same ole thing. BOTH systems still have untapped power and both will be better but stop with that ole whiney song.

You hear this when a dev. can't do so good on a multi platform PS3 game as apposed to his Xbox 360 title.

[harpua]

the constant pwning of x-kiddies continues...

[TurdStationPee]

Yeah, especially considering Volition's last game ran better on 360.

[4D]

The constant Ignorance and Waiting Beyond continues for the Sony Defense Force.

[Bladestar]

as a 360 owner.... for some strange reason I am so not concern about the "ability" of the PS3 having better graphics.... the xbox 360 already proven it's ability to produce great games that look great... Games like Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock, PGR are enough for me for the next 2-3 years until the next comes in.... Obvious developers will optimise and improve the xbox 360 graphics as we continue to see... and games like Gears of War 2 will show... but there is a big flaw on existing consoles... that includes the xbox 360 and the PS3... (not to mention the wii).... MEMORY! MEMORY! MEMORY!... people here seem to ignore that small detail... the PS3 nor the xbox 360 are upgradable to add more memory.... that's the flaw... not necessarily the CPUs... both the xbox 360 and the PS3 are not cable of running some PC games like Crysis.... and it's not because of CPU power... many PCs... are running less powerful CPU than the xbox 360 and the PS3...

Supreme Commander had to be dumb down to handle the game... on the xbox 360.. not because of the CPU(s)... but because of memory...

Most PC games today require 1-2 GB of memory.. that's 4X what's available on the PS3 and the xbox 360... 512MB!? not counting the console OS and the firmware reserved memory....

here we are talking about how powerful CPU is vs ... but any real gamers knows that in gaming the most important components are in the following order:

GPU
Memory
CPU

you can have 50 core CPUs... but nothing will change the memory limitations on both consoles.. I believe that both... Sony and microsoft used CPUs with enough horse power to produce the best games the consoles' available memory allows.

Game will be full of features or look nice... levels will be detailed and small or less detail and large...

Do you think we would be talking about the ability of the PS3 to make better looking games (which came out 1 year after the xbox 360... have more time to see the xbox 360 games and improve against them) if the PS3 would have 1-2GB of Memory?

The only reason why CPU is a hot topic within the anti xbox 360 community is because the xbox 360 is known to have more Memory available and the GPU is known to be better... so.. hell.. let's talk about CPU!

[Genesis5]

Memory becomes less of an issue for the PS3 when the SPU's are coded for handling certain task that eat up a lot of memory.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

memory....yes i forgot about that, the hub that textures thrive off of.

not enough means lower rez textures.

and both only have 512.

[Genesis5]

Read part 2 inside the cell again

http://www.blachford.info/c...

[OJ_juice]

xbox 360 sucks. PS3 is better.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I love you got those agrees when that is exactly NOT what the article said. Read my quote below to get a bit of it since you seem to be too lazy to even read it.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

i really do hope there tungs can swallow the pain that gears2 and bioshock2 brings forth.

bring something to the table that beats gears, or bishock.

[Blackcanary]

Graphiclly when it comes to lighing and every thing else Killzone 2 GT5P, MGS4, Motorstrom 1 + 2, Final Fantasy XIII + & Verus XIII, and The Getaway 3 oh lol thats 8 i think i included.

[TheExecutive]

huh... i thought i saw GT5:P screens running on a 360....

lol

anyway what a fanboy article.

[poopface1]

From what I hear the cell is more powerfull than the 360 proccessor but the 360 has a more advanced GPU. I really dont see either one doing anything that the other couldent do with enough time and money.

[George Washington]

thats corrrect .. but as the 360 has proven 2 years back to back is that its not about the graphics but about the games. 360 has all the best games.

[kingOVsticks]

Correction the 360 "had" all the best games, typos are a B!tich sometimes huh guy?

[fanboyarebitches]

well you just proved your a moron 360 still has a the best games you said "had" which is past tence as in the game just disappeared and are not there or the ps3 just got a crazy amount of good games? you sir are a idiot im happy with my mass effect , bioshock , gears of war, dead rising etc. while we have good games all you get are ccrappy ps3 while you wait for mgs4 and here are all the ps3 fanboys saying they'll beat the pants off of the 360 without any proof just bias opinions the ps3 hasnt proved jack while the 360 has...so intill your great games come out shut up cause right now you have no games to play except for uncharted which is just a solid game nothing mind blowing check the reviews? dont reply because all ps3 fanboys will be crying the blues once there games come out and find there overrated just like lair just like heavenly sword check te reviews just like
the no single player campaign warhawk and sh!tty folklore...check the reviews i base my opinion on proof while you all base it on bias opinions and the potential bs that youve been saying for two years and yet havent proved it?

[Blackcanary]

You just show how much of a fanboi you are Now i have the 360 and had all the games you said for it and i think they are sh** not including GOW that game and 2 will rock my scocks. First thing when it comes to Reviews it all deepends on the site and the person Reviewing it i've seen meny different reviews for Heavenly Sword which is one of most graphiclly fantasic game i've ever played Lair and a great looking game with great gameply, WarHark if you ever played it you would know that it doesn't need a story line its a great online game which now has servers that host up to 34 players and with so meny playing it day and night u never have to worry about rooms and finding people to play with don't forget no Lag. If GT5P has had great reviews now if your besting the reviews you have read on gamespot will u mite have to find a new site when it comes to reviews. Forklore is a great game with great add ons and content and graphics different sites gave it different reviews it all comes down to you the person who plays the game not the review if you are going chose not to play a game based on reviews ur just stupid Lost Oddersy sorry about spelling had bad reviews but i bought and still loved it so think before u speak.

[bigman7387]

oh fanboyareb!tches, your name cracks me up. Despite the fact that your name is fanboyareb!tches, you are obviously only a fan of 360, unwilling to try the PS3 and its selection of games. You're probably not gonna be able to read this because you ignored me for trying to have an actual rational debate about this, but I don't care.
Yes, we know Mass Effect, Gears of War, BioShock, Dead Rising, etc. are good games, but how many of the 360's true beef games came out in its 2nd full year? Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect. Thats 3 of the 360's greatest games that game out in the 360's 2nd year. Now that the PS3's 2nd full year is coming, you irrationally dismiss the games coming out before they are even out. I don't know about you, but to me, the trend there makes sense. Not as many or as good games in a consoles first year, great ones 2nd year and on. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? The PS3's developers and Sony are not going to stop making games anytime soon, so why punish yourself by not playing those games that will come out?

[jessupj]

You're the biggest fanboy here. and learn to paragraph you child.

Both concoles have great games, and both concoles will continue to get great games. If you can't see that you are a a closeminded insecure fanboy. That includes you George W.

[Jones Miller]

a flying f*ck!!! Reason:

Xbox 360 gamertag: Jones Miller
PSN ID: PUMB

[yanikins111]

How sir, did you get down to 2 bubbles?

[TheExecutive]

ok ladies and gentlemen, I cant believe these answers to a simple question... in 1 year what console do you believe will have better graphics? Ask yourselves that question and honestly.

[JVIDICAN]

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on topic this is a big DUH

[badkolo]

Listen, I dont doubt it, and i dont hateon the ps3, i own one and love it, I also own the 360 and love it, both made major mistakes, both have great games coming and to denythat is ludacris and foolish.

But i do find it funny that devs for sony keep using this potential crap, just make the games look better and stop trying to compete with the 360 with every article claiming that the ps3 is more powerful, we already know this and yet 3 years later the 360 is still pumping out games that look better and better and the games keep coming. games canand will look better on the 360 and ps3 as time goes on, no crap sherlock.

Just stop undermining our inteligence with these nonsence comments.

at this point we all know that its possible for games to look better on the ps3 but most likely this will come in a year or 2 and still im sure the 360 will pop out a game that looks just as nice. And to be honest by thetime the ps3 takes over as the lead system in sales or popularity we will most likely be 1 year away from the new xbox.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Is this where the fishheads all rally around this shaky comment and celebrate? LOL Give me a break! To the fishheads saying Uncharted is the best game on consoles STOP LYING! You are lying because you are desperate for just a little recognition and I guess the Blu-ray movie victory wasn't enough. Uncharted has some great animations it suffers from bad tearing and popin, not to mention the textures go to complete sh*t when you get close to them.

The CRAPSTATION (tm) is built on lies.

This is from the comments section where this article was posted. Now THIS IS TRUTH! QUOTE:

Carrol stated that:

"I think potentially you will. I think early on people are going to be struggling to figure out exactly how to make the PS3 work. But I think once they do they will see it's a very powerful system underneath. They both have their advantages. The Xbox 360 pushes polygons rather well, which for us, because everything is destructible, that means that we have a tremendous number of polygons in our game compared to regular games, we see a great benefit with the Xbox 360, but we just learn to optimise in different ways for the PS3."

and also she said that the game is "very much" pushing the PS3, "both in terms of memory and processing power".

it seems to me that PS3 is working harder to run the game than Xbox360 (cmiiw)

--------------------------
All involved took one sentence from a whole article and turned it into flambait!

"IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE POS3 IS WORKING HARD TO RUN THE GAME THAN XBOX360"

Now that is some truth! But I know disregard all the positive things he said about the proven game system and just focus in on one sentence.

The Sony army needs to be stopped from spreading their lies and exaggerations.

[gnothe1]

people have been trying to sell the PS3 off POTENTIAL since it came out!! it has the potential to do all sorts of things from folding,ray tracing,black holes, blu ray, an gaming!! i dont know about you but I bought it for GAMING, an as far as gaming goes its second to the 360. ALMOST EVERY multiplat game looks an plays better on the 360 with the exception of maybe 2-3 games. but theres always the excuse that the PS3 is new tech an developers dont know how to use it. well.... whats the excuse for ubisoft,EA, capcom, they all have had dev kits as far back as 2004 so theres no excuse!! plus all this talk about the cell an using spu's an rsx, how many 360 games are using ALL 3 cores!! so dont you think games can look better on BOTH systems!! the Ps3 has lagged BEHIND the 360 graphically since launch but yet you guys still think theres some MAGICAL power inside the PS3 thats WAITING to be released!! LOL

then why do you sony guys keep bringing up Drakes as the best looking console game. just because 1 reviewer opinion was that doesnt make it law. the game is nice no doubt but best looking game so far, not likely!! that game was at the same E3's that COD4 an bioshock were an there was NO mention of best graphics for that game, so why do you guys keep insisting that it is the best!! here nowhere insight for best graphics for 2 years at E3!!

http://www.gametrailers.com...
http://games.ign.com/articl...
http://games.ign.com/articl...

[MrBii]

multi platform games that in the not so distant future will look better on the PS3 anyway.

I buy a console for its mega exclusives. And the 360 barely has any mega exclusives.

[Bolts]

If multiplat is so important then I'll stick to PC gaming.

[romaink]

how long have we been waiting now?

[kingOVsticks]

8-9 give or take whenever heavenly sword came out. Its little over a year now and were seeing things like GT5 p,haze and MGS4 nearing and have already gotten gaming gems like uncharted and UT3 its was the PS3 first year give it after all.

Dammit i'm knocking down my own comment 2 the third page ><

[bluegoblin]

thank you for pointing out Heavenly Sword!!!
thats one of the most beautiful games i have ever seen and yet many people just seem to have fogotten about it....

[kingOVsticks]

Its the game developers who has to prove their potential in making a quality game that shows what the PS3 is able of accomplishing as the most powerful home console.For example EA has the potential to make a PS3 game that isn't gimped but they choose not 2 and end up making a gimped game or settling on what they have. Devs needs to stop blaming Sony on how "gimped" their games are because the PS3 has a new complicated architecture that they aren't use to. Once they use their potential and resources they then have potential of creating games that can change the gaming industry for the better. Its all up to them

[badkolo]

i find this site hilarious, my post was nothing but positive for both systems yet theres a negative, 13 year olds kill me.

[Jones Miller]

better get used to it:-) At least I gave you an agree on this one *lol*

[lelik]

xbox is basically a glorified computer, all the potential it has we've been seeing from the beginning. ps3 will be far better.

[princejb134]

people keep bragging about how 360 keeps improving in potential and it keeps running harder to surpass any system to date, but in conclusion to all this power pushing all i see its more RROD,

[LinuxGuru]

How many developers "coming out of the closet", and confessing, does it take for 360-only owners to realize that the PS3 may not be trumping it completely NOW, but will in the near future and beyond?

Is it really something that is THAT hard to accept? Can people REALLY be that defensive and jealous of something that is factually proven to be superior? We're not talking about OPINION here, people....we're talking about cold, hard facts....graphics are made up of ones and zeros, not guesses and maybe's and possibly's...this is raw output we're dealing with.

This is coming from people who know what they're talking about, and I take this as truth when I hear it.

Developers are quick to jump onto powerful technology once they figure out how to use it properly...

You're starting to see that with the PS3, and it's not just a few developers here....everyone is getting to the point where it's not even possible to deny it anymore.

I'm really glad I chose the underdog this time around, because it looks like it's turning out to be King.

[Vino]

Well guess I'll move on to the next topic.

[Martini]

"We've got the PS3 running at a similar frame rate to the 360" - translation: 360 currently runs at higher frame rate.

"The Xbox 360 pushes polygons rather well, which for us, because everything is destructible, that means that we have a tremendous number of polygons in our game compared to regular games, we see a great benefit with the Xbox 360" - translation: 360 pumps out more polygons easier then ps3

"Carroll added that the game is "very much" pushing the PS3, "both in terms of memory and processing power" - translation: nowhere does it say that it's pushing the 360.

You have to read between the lines... :) Now what was this article about ??

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

A hot rod is also a powerfull "system underneath" but what use does it have without wheels?

[LinuxGuru]

Nice spin job there, Jason.

Not even a developer confession can shut you up.

[kingOVsticks]

that was actually pretty cleaver the developers are the wheels to Sony's hot rod you deserve a high five*waits with hand in the air* ooooh don't leave me hanging now.

[LinuxGuru]

I've got one for ya Jason:

Microsoft's hot rod would be much more fun to drive, if I would only have a chance to drive it; it's always at the dealer, waiting for repairs. I could never seem to get it out of the driveway without the engine falling out of the body, the muffler coming off, the doors coming loose and vibrating, and the windshield wipers not stopping, even though I turned them off hours ago. Oh, and the speakers are blown, and the brakes wore down in 4 months. Also, there's this terrible rattling noise when I turn the key in the ignition.

Can anyone find me the definition of a "lemon", and e-mail it to Jason? He seems to not know how to spot one, even if it's smacking him in the face.

Thanks.

Microsoft hot rod = possibly the worst consumer electronics reliability disaster in Human history.

[Booyah]

Thanx John, I never laughed like that LOL

[yanikins111]

lol. Hot rrod

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

The PS3 is like the "theory of relativity" we know it possible but there is no way to test it. It's like a jet without wings and a smart pilot to fly it.

[iMad]

Because 80% of developers develop for XBOX 360 first. Then thi percentange will lower then that is a time to worry.

This hyped PS3 bubble will drop soon, as second wawe of XBOX 360 games will arrive. From what we see on PS3 so far graphicaly there is not better gams on PS3.

MGS4 - good games but 8/10 gfx
GT5p - good car models, but bad enviroments
Haze - crap GFX
Kilzone good setting, nut textures are bad
Resistanse - ? show me in game first
LittleBig planet - game for kids.No adult will play this more than 10 minutes.

so, there is no so bright colours for PS3 as you SONY supported wan them to be. Keep hyping.

[HarryEtTubMan]

hahahhaha Keep telling yourself that.... PS3 is and will have 90% of LEAD sku's in development in 2009...it already has mosr in 2008.... SONY HAS SAID THIS. And all PS3 games look better than 360 games.. I HAVE BOTH.... Your lieing desperate 4th account rhetoric is bullshot and no one cares.

360 IS A FLOP AND CAN'T SALE. PS3 will be he re almost 9 more years and have PLENTY of lead SKU's. Its the truth and Sony KNOWS it is. Blu ray is the next generation format. Not DVD. After GTA 4 EVERY Rockstar game is either Exclusive or PS3 Lead SKU HAHAHHAHHA, Midway is PS3 Lead Sku... Epic is PS3 lEad SKU is its multiplatform. Mr. Steanberg has mentioned ALMOST EVERYONE will be usiing PS3 as the leasd Sku's even this year and by 2009 IT'S OVER. Developers see who have the momentum and want to use the next gen disc. It will be in PS4 and the CRUSTbox 720... might as well start using it now... Dude you lieing characterizations of those games are amazing.

THEY LOOK BETTER THA 360 GAMES AND PS3 GAMES WILL BEGIN TO MORE AND MORE. GET OVER IT. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA

JEALOUS BOTS ARE ON A RAMPAGE!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHHAHAHAHA

MICROSOFT WILL NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR BEAT Sony AND THE PLAYSTAITON BRAND AND ITS 100% TRUE AND THIS WILL BE THE BEWST CHANCE THEY EVER HAD AND WILL HAVE. PS4 will be released with the next Xbox. PS3 is going to KILLLLLL the 360 in sales hahahahhahahaha

Holiday season 2008= Xbox 360 MASSACRE.

[TheHater]

I think this dude have yet to see Killzone 2, and Metal Gear Solid 4.

[4D]

CGI quality graphics on the PS2. Now the PS3 promises 4D. Whats the PS4 gonna promise??? A handjob while you play games??? Get the f*ck out with your BS lies Sony.

[lelik]

you're joking right? every game you mentioned other than lbp has amazing graphics.

mgs4:
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

haze:
http://www.videogamer.com/p...

gears:
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

riiiight...

[Trekster_Gamer]

It was stated long ago in the specs of the PS3 that the so called super cell chip was like the second coming as far as power goes, this has yet to be shown. It has also come to be true that the graphics chip on the PS3 is inferior to the 360, thats like having a new powerful pc with midrange video card to play games. I wish there was a game on the PS3 that would make me say OMG instead its almost always, it looks the same or the 360 version looks better.

[LinuxGuru]

If you had any understanding of the PS3 architecture at all, then you'd know that the PS3 is not only superior, but FAR superior to the 360.

What's special about the RSX is its direct connection to the CPU in the PS3.

A part of the cell processor can be dedicated to assist the GPU, or offload work ENTIRELY from the GPU. (Can you tell me any GPU in the WORLD that processes anything at 3.2GHz ? Any of the 6 available SPUs - running at 3.2GHz each - can be dedicated to do GPU work)

But only recently has anyone put in the time and effort to do so.

It's becoming more and more common, and you'll see the results of it, I guarantee that.

So, have a little faith in the PS3, and it shall be rewarded. Developers are starting to like it, and so should you.

And about games that make you say OMG on the PS3....how about Uncharted, killzone 2 (upwards of 500 fully dynamic lights per level), Gran Turismo 5 (up to *16* 200,000-polygon cars on screen at once at 1080p60)...

I really hope you're joking about that....because the evidence is already building that shows that the PS3's capabilities far outstretch ANYthing ANYone thought was even REMOTELY possible on a home console.

[InMyOpinion]

What games has Volition made for the 360? None? They make exclusives for the PS3. I guess that makes them experts then =)

[LinuxGuru]

What games have YOU made for ANY system?

None?

Yeah that's what I thought.

Xbox Live Gamertag = Coeus87

I've owned 4 xbox 360s, and even though they broke, I still enjoyed the games I DID play.

http://live.xbox.com/en-US/...

Are you ready to stfu?

I haven't claimed to develop anything, I just go by what developers of PS3 games say. That's all. According to most if not ALL MULTIPLAT developers, developing for the PS3 is HARDER, and if a PS3 developer and now even some MULTIPLAT developers says that the PS3 can achieve better graphics, then I'll respect that.

[InMyOpinion]

Nice comeback lol! I like your little sales pitch above. I bet you have never played any games on the 360, but still know for sure that the PS3 games look better. Since you seem to know so much about the PS3 and how it works you must be a developer, right? What games have you developed for it?

[InMyOpinion]

"I just go by what developers of PS3 games say."

That's what I thought. If you knew anything about programming you would know that harder usually never means better.

This guy has a completely different opinion on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[fanboyarebitches]

you defend your ps3 like its a god your sad you need help
you need to go outside and get some friends you are a loner and scum of the earth NERD i havent said this is in a while but you are a NERD you worship a systeme you are eff uped man go outside before you blow your head off from extreme depression and being lonely dont reply ill be OUTSIDE WITH MY FRIENDS check the dictionary because your probably have no clue what fRIENDS ARE and your internet friends dont count

[PR0NE]

ignorance is a bliss sometimes, but denying the utter facts is the fanboys automated defense mechanism(fanboys philosophy lesson 401, o_O you haven't reached this lesson, maybe you should put your mind more into studies, rather then hearing some propaganda), so yeah basically keep fooling yourself, you need to defend your purchase... anyway moving on, jhon has given you his gamertag, have you checked on it before spitting your sh!t, i know that you didn't, you don't want to know the truth, you just want to troll.. finally, i'll give you an advice: in 2008 just don't be a braggadocios or you'll be owned....
btw you got owned...

[Vino]

Volition is owned by THQ the team behind Red Faction and Saint Row etc,
I'm kinda getting tired of who has the upper hand or who doesn't in these so called debates.

[SuperSaiyan4]

When the Xbox 360 clearly has the better graphics GPU there is no way in hell you could make graphics better on the PS3 thats just a ridiculous statement.

[gameraxis]

u obviously have no idea how things work from a tech standpoint. when the ps3 was planned to use two cell processors they weren't even going to INCLUDE a graphics card. As hard as it is for u to believe, game engines and processing power can replace the functions that graphics card allow. It would be alot harder but still in the same, u can't make an assumption that the system with the better GC is the system with the better graphics, i'm sorry u just can't not how it works

[MrBii]

I find it funny that they just figured it out now. When all of us have been saying it since...well since the PS3 launched.

Ratchet, Uncharted, GT5, the proof is in the pudding.

[DevastationEve]

The Xbox 360 has a great sense of flexibility, while the PS3 has raw strength. Let's not try to see them as rivals, more likely they are actually a team. Together, PS3 and 360 will push next gen into newer territories.

360's Xenos provides for the console world the glory of Unified Shader Architecture. Meaning that its pipelines can take in vertex, pixel, or geometry shaders. The PS3 has its RSX, a Standard Shader Array. Meaning than its pipelines have dedicated functions. This doesn't offer the "flexibility" that Xenos does, although it DOES offer RAW performance.

The idea is that maximum efficiency is preferable, since some pipelines that aren't being used in a Standard Array would be better utilized if they were able to redirect some of the workload off of already stressed pipelines, ala "Unified" Shaders. It's something that both major graphics chips manufacturers now fully support, and standard arrays are a thing of the past.

360 further carries that concept of a "unified" approach by using a fat stash of 512MB of main memory, as well as a 3core dual threaded PowerPC970 "general perpose" CPU (with VMX-128, MEMEXPORT). Each core clocks in at 3.2Ghz, giving devs a lot of processing power for the value that 360 stands to represent. They appreciate the level of flexibility afforded by 360's hardware, and have in turn produced some of this gens greatest games on it.

I understand that Sony's game was to look big and tough, through catch phrases hype and over exageration. But, truth be told, their system was an extremely expensive undertaking and probably an ugly pill that they didn't swallow too easy. To say that PS3 is superior and will invariably lead to better games is basically giving into that hype. I only believe it when it's true, and I can say that a great many PS3 games have proven NOT that PS3 is superior, but rather that PS3 is needed in this current generation of videogame ecosystem.

I say that it's needed because it provides an example that devs can use to "aim high" when creating their games. 360, on the other hand, provides the "aim smart" approach. That they can work within a more forgiving development environment, or an environment of exteme measures, and rigid boundaries. PS3 is nearly the opposite of the 360: carefully partitioned and neatly organized so as to be absulutely armed to the teeth to take on certain tasks. 360 provides the cloud for the dreams, gently marking off certain boundaries and skewing less in favor of raw power and more in favor of creative space.

Peace!

[HelghastGeneral]

The truth is that xbox 360 has a true next generation Gpu but a cheap cpu games look real good in photos and can be compared to ps3 games in photos but photos only. Like I been saying in my previous messages the cell processor bridges the gap between other cpu’s and it also is the key to bring realistic animation to ps3 exclusives making them true next generation games. Microsoft’s efforts if anyone thinks about understands that they just stuffed a good gpu to blind everyone and a cheap cpu in their console made sure it was out before ps3. Scratched disks and red rings of death follow as well as any hardcore gamer realizes that every game that launched moves exactly the same as last generation games.

For example sequels are brought down by 360’s cheap cpu look at resident evil 5 the animation is the same from resident evil 4 the zombies get shot and fall down the same. Whose fault is this? Is it the developers? Maybe they feel they don’t need to bring realistic animation into all the new games or sequels just making realistic characters models is enough? Um no its not it’s because they see there’s no point or they can’t bring realistic animation into all these games because of 360’s cheap cpu. Then you look at games such as gran turismo 5 and then people compare photos of other racing games from 360 that look just as photo realistic but you know what that’s as far as you can go only. Because when you actually watch the gaming running and the replays the motion of the cars is so realistic because of the power of the cell.

The power of the Cell processor and gpu combined when used correctly I believe is twice as powerful as xbox 360 the problem Is that getting this power out requires much more understanding. People really have no idea how powerful cell is developers only after working on a title for so long are just tapping into its true potential. The xbox 360 may have the capability too look slightly better but only in photos when it comes to animation that’s where the system falls short. No xbox 360 racing game will have the realistic motion as gran turismo 5 in replays or during gameplay a lot of other games follow such as motorstorm and mlb08 the show. During a replay in mlb08 the show the baseball players move so realistically this can not be achieved on 360 but the character models can look just as good on 360.

This is truthful factual information the cell processor bridges the gap between every other processor out there now and for the remaining lifespan of ps3 when more games come out the difference will get bigger and bigger. There are games currently in development for ps3 that will be so realistic and have such a huge impact that people will have no choice to accept the difference.

[DevastationEve]

You made a FATAL error: saying that 360 games lok better in their photos but not in motion. BONEHEADED, dipsh* hear me out:

EVERYTHING LOOKS BETTER IN THE PHOTO!!!!

WTF? I suppose all the great games already out 360 account for nothing, in your eyes? Am I lead to believe your comments versus my EYES? Your words carry less weight than the pages of textbook definition they were printed on.

I admitted that each console has its place. No, PS3 gamers aren't being cheated out of "more optimized" gaming experiences, and IF they were, it would be the devs to balme, not the hardware. No, 360 isn't dragging the PS3 down. If it were made by Sony, than yes. But since its not funded by Sony, it cannot be said that the 360 is in any way stunting PS3 games from their full potential.

And, I don't know why, but there's a constant lingering faith that there is in fact untapped potential? People, my old computer from back in 2000 isn't going to just come to life, gain a few more shader units in its gpu and PRESTO! No, the hardware is FINALLIZED, and if they make changes to manufacturing of the mobo or any other of its parts, it won't amass to any significant performance gains.

Only devloper knowledge of the task at hand and their awareness of the hardwares strengths and weaknesses, coupled with dedication, devotion, and perfectionism can TRULY lead to this "untapped potential". And tht means on BOTH platforms, so let's not give into this bullsh*t accepted inane illogical conclusion that ONLY the PS3 has untapped potential.

Poeple, you all need need to stop the constant debating about superiority! What good does it do to believe that your/my console rulez/sux?

[DevastationEve]

Also, one more thing: you say that the animations of characters in a BASEBALL GAME(WTF?) are what led you to believ that PS3 is superior? People run, jog, skip, hurdle, and hop in these games. Nothing more than simple commonly used MOCAP, buddy. I seriously doubt that ANY animation you find in a sports title would rival, say, one of Mass Effect's characters (Wrex) facial lip synchronized animations. Also, Forza MS2's physics engine runs at 6x the rate that GT5P does! At 60fps, a car doing 180 has one sample for every 4 feet, resulting in less presicion. Forza has its physics engine running at 360fps, resulting in FOUR samples every ONE foot!

[heihoosilver]

xbox 360 has the best graphics so far, a 2 years old game with graphics better than almost all games on ps3, the ps3 they say has "untaped power" and the xbox 360 has no "untaped power"? is any game make use of the 3 cores? bioware says that people will be amazed with mass effect 2, alan wake looks awesome, epic says they only scract the surface of the xbox 360 with gears 1 and that gears 2 will be bigger, looking better. gt5 looks very good but is so slow, and i see it in motion and for me is on par, maybe a little better, than pgr4, a game with almost 6 months. the people that post in n4g,99.9%, is like me, a total ignorant about tecnical stuff but all of them post like some great and known dev.

[DevastationEve]

disagrees for stating both factual and full of proof? someones not happy that I found something wrong with the PS3! oh, no, that's alright. by all means, keep blindingly believing everything they tell you. one day, Sony will even tell you that your momma's fat, and you'll suddenly hate your own mothers!

[Wotbot]

PS3 may be able to have better graphics, but not by a big enough margin.

Most games on the PS3 and 360 will be comparable. Some games wilL look slightly better on the PS3 and some will look better on the 360.

I think we should all focus on gaming, rather than this old story which has been around since 05.

[Grown Folks Talk]

It will be no different than before. Some games will look better on 360, some will look better on PS3. The same way it's always been. These developers seem to be like the weather here in Nebraska. Can't seem to make up their minds.

[Grown Folks Talk]

Disagree with 1 of us, but not both, for saying the exact same thing. People always disagree with me when I say it's the poster being disagreed with & not the post.

[Hellsvacancy]

do any of the above make games on the xbox or ps3? NO so how do u know wot your talkin about, the people behind red faction make games so i think they know a little more about the power of the ps3 and the weakness of the xbox they said it themselves (in so many words)

[CaliGamer]

many of the fools above are arm chair analyst and think that they have the answer based on reading articles second hand. The funny thing is all their talk isn't going to change the fact that the PS3 has a great year that will begin in less than a month.

The fact that you see the haters on here in force is a sign that they are worried. If someone was saying something that I truly didn't care about I wouldn't bother posting, but it is a FACT that article such as this one hit a raw nerve for the 360 fanatics. The evidence is out there to see with the imminent release of MGS4 and the myriad of other exclusives it is clear that the battle is just starting.

Just take a look at the comments above, how much more pathetic can you get? Expect more of this hate as the truth of the PS3's power becomes more undeniable.

[power of Green]

Your post isn't any different from all the other comments. lol. The dev didn't even know what he was talking about when it comes to PS3's hardware. lol

PS3 fanboys have believed this from day one this is why you have to call out" all the above commenters.

What #23 said is the same thing he's accusing us of doing, by his logic I can find a dev that says the opisite and it will be true?, atleast the devs we believe actually know what they're talking about when it comes to hardware their own games are better on Xbox lol.

These people in here read what people say(other devs & techies) and see with their eyes this is why not all people agree with you guys. lol

MGS4 looks like a greener Splinter Cell DA to me.

Multi Platform games are outperforming PS3 titles. Hell Warhound for the 360 and Farcry2 a multi platform game is getting the best of PS3 only titles.

This PS3 fanboy myth will die once again as soon as the 360 AAA's release. Friggin old ass builds of Splinter Cell convection look better than Metal Gear 4.

[FirstknighT]

Just more talk about the ps3's "potential" I still haven't seen anything special. Even the mighty GT doesn't look that much better than Forza 2. And GT has been in development forever! Enough of the talking.

[Frnicatr]

Forza.. I don't know why people think that's such a good looking game. The graphics looked SO bad to me.

[Daz]

Its not justa bout how powerful and console is. Some developers build there own tools and engines to make things look and play better.

Killzone 2 is using great tools that the devlopers made to get that lighting and didnt use ureal engine 3 for example, otherwise it would look totally different.

Its not just the consoles what make games look good.

But its just get annoying about the potential this and that. I dont care if i enjoy the game and its fun i buy it :0

[jones smokey]

emmmm....we alerady knew that ps3 has more graphics power than 360, tell me something new..e.g like information of uncharnted 2, god of war 3 killzone 2...e.t.c...=D

[badkolo]

there isnt one game available where the reviews have stated this, this game looks so good that nothing the 360 has compares to it.

Until that day comes i would suggest to take this potential crap and stuff it.

Hows this, with the potential of gears of war 2 it might simply be the best looking game for another year. With the potentail of the 360 since the devs have almost mastered it since its easier to program for and has a better gpu the potential is there for it to keep pumping outbetter looking games for years to come.

the same can be said for any system, now go outside and play with humans. or go play uncharted ans heavenly sword. youll be done by 3pm and still have time to go outside.

Theres the potentail that one day all ps3 games will have rumble and theres also the potentail that one day the ps3 online will funtion similar to xbox live, oh the potential is killing me.

[JVIDICAN]

sites have compared mgs4 to gears and stated mgs puts gears to shame
its the same with uncharted being refered to as the best looking counsel game to date =P

[felidae]

Motorstorm, Lair, Uncharted and Heavenly Sword all look better than anything on the 360.

i own a 360 but there's just one game that looks outstanding ... Gears of War.

[badkolo]

all review scores disagree with that statement, you mightthink so but no one else does. of coarse all ps fanboys will agree with you, and not that they dont look pretty, they do, im playing uncharted right now and it looks great but not the best thing ever or better then all 360 games, same goes for HS and MS.

IF ms had a dev make a racing game with only 1 level like MS then im sure it would look prettier.

The ps3 has a better cpu, the 360 has the better gpu, both have thesame memory structure other then the 360's is more usefull and becuase of the cell you some how find a way to sqew it yourway that the ps3 will blow the 360 grapgics to shame, will they get better yeahbut blow it away, NOPE. use common sence.

Oh the potential, there the potential that one day you wont have to install games for 20 minutes on the ps3 as if it was a pc.

we can do this all day folks

[jones smokey]

ITS NICE TO SEE AN X BOX OWNER SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT,...HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE START OF THE END FOR FANBOIS DISSING EACH CONSOLE....PS3 AND X BOX ARE BOTH GREAT CONSOLE, BUT PS3 HAS MORE POWER BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE X BOX IS NOT AS GOOD, GEARS OF WAR HAS SHOWEN PEOPLE THAT X BOX IS HEAR TO STAY

[LFC1EE]

Although i sold my xbox 360 and now have a ps3 and a gaming pc, i got to speak truthfully here, apart from drakes and the new gt game i must admit the xbox 360 leaves the ps3 standing when it comes to ingame graphics, but the ps3 as the potential to be alot better and it will this year it's just a matter of time,then it will leave the xbox 360 felling very dated. But if your like me you probably wondering when were going to see a decent game coming out on either format, that's why i purchased a gaming pc, roll on MGS, LBP, KZ2.

[Pika-pie]

This ones really got the fanboys arguing..

Waaa Waaa, graphics better then you waaa waaaa, GT5, FORZA, rattle rattle, Bioshock, MGS, waaa waaaa.

[lelik]

ps3 = better cpu
xbox = better gpu

they're different but equal

its just so happens one of them has a 30% failure rate.

[XB-T]

WOW how much can them boys take it? I mean first it was an online service that costs you a game a year, then an outdated drive, then a noise that made you think a jumbo jet is landing infront of your house, then ridiculously overpriced peripherals and no option for using a standard HDD, then the mighty and infamous RROD that made you going mad and your games library collect the dust. Then recently the pounding the format got they were all so praying for, namely the HD-DVD. And now ...this. Seriuosly it's not good to be one of them boys and I start to feel sorry for them :(

[thehitman]

I think badkolo is feeling sry up there.... he reeking of it. And to note at u badkolo play the game and then talk, reviews are for ppl who dont have good enough judgement for themselves like ppl like u. If your a true gamer you dont need reviews to base a game. I played gears uncharted halo heavenly sword res all excellent games (actually xcept halo3 honeslty that shyt not good to me halo 1 and 2 were not 3). Out of all those games I think uncharted had best graphics gears really close uncharted is not way better but it is better. Res had best gameplay when it came out. You downplay potential like ps3's potential is not already showing. DS3 is out as a true gamer I think ps3 online as an overall is superior JUST by allowing me to access all the games I buy for online to be able to play freely at any given time. Sony are always constantly making improvements to the ps3 which I couldnt say with the 360 and 5 years down the road I like to say that the ps3 was good money spent which it is already showing me. Potential means a lot to consumers these days where every dollar counts.

[nitramn4g]

So fare 360 has equal or better graphics. Look at previous generation, the ps2 was least powerfull system and it produced great graphics. Never in any generation has one system surpass the others by much. (except for neogeo, and look at the price difference it had). So Ps3 will not do the impossible. It may end up with better graphics but not by much, it won't decide the console war faith.

[PR0NE]

agreed on one point, not only graphics will decide the fate of this generation... there are strategies, tactics and loyalties. Up until now, microsoft has made a good fight considering that they are noobs in this field, but you've gotta give to sony, they know what to do, and how to spin the situation 180 degrees, or 360 lool ...

[The-Only-Truth]

How long do we have to wait again ? Geez, reading those statements/excuses for over a year now annoys the hell out of me...

Less talky, talky, more provy, provy. Unless then, stfu and gtfo ! K ? Thx & bye...

[thehitman]

Month not to long right?? I mean it will pass by once GTA4 is out and honestly with all this new info on Haze I think it will be a sleeper hit. MGS4 I think will 1-hit KO gamers all around the world with amazement.

[The-Only-Truth]

1 game ???

That makes 3 games in 1,5 years...

*bows down to the PS3 superiority*

Yoopidoo...

Such things make it easy for me to not buy this expensive piece of letdown !

[Blackcanary]

I love my PS3 X360 and the Wii to bits all 3 of them are great game consoles.
But as one person posted if the 360 such a powerfull console why isn't it all helping ways to find cancer like the PS3. And if any one Disagrees with that will then i hope no one in your familly gets cancer and if they do then you can thank the PS3 for helping finding ways to find cures for cancer. Pluss again if the 360 is so powerfull way is that it only has a 5 year life spam and the PS3 has a 10 Year life spam and proberly more than just that. Every one said that the PS2 graphics could never inprove but what happend they kept pussing the PS2 to new lemits sorry about spelling and found new ways to inprove the graphics.
Games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, GT5P, GTHD, WarHark, Uncharted, R&C Tools of Destruction, Unreal Tounament 3, Resistance Full of Men have all ready shown us that graphically the PS3 is Equall to the 360 but not Even just that Elder Scrolls of Oblivion showed as that the PS3 can do what the 360 does graphically and even better i have borth and the PS3 version bits the 360 version hands down. O and a hint to people that want more space on you hard drive buy a 250 GB HD Sata PC note Book HD it can slot straight in to the PS3 why because the PS3 uses a PC HD i think u can get a 400GB one to.

Now with games like MGS4, RFOM2, Motorstrom 2, LBP, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Verus XIII, Tekken 6, yes even Haze lol graphically the PS3 is showing that it hasn't even riched its pick yet . Just like the PS2 with such a Long life line i'm sure you will agree that PS3 has got more than enough time to show us what it can do. Just look at the Buildings in Home every time i see the pics i think they are photos from real buildings and then The Getaway 3 will lay a bench mark for graphics with the lighting effects KillZone 2 when you see the graphics of that the PS3 if you live in Europe hasn't even finished its Second Year yeah some people my call me a fanboy but the only thing is i can that i am a fanbot of all the 3 consoles out including PC question is can you?

[bigjclassic]

Thats why the REAL gamers scrambled to get a PS3 on day one. The 60gb BC PS3 is the best unit. And with games like MGS4, KZ2 and Resistance 2 will prove that PS3 tech is superior to 360.

[Says you]

Among Retards how does showing that unifying the PS3's Cell and RSX show that the PS3 is weak?? from that crappy system as I recall the Cell by itself can spin around that piece of junk that you call a Xenon considering it can do the Final Fantasy VII Advent Children tech demo infact that one processor just own the system that you are defending.

[sephy 9 2 5]

If Uncharted is so great (graphically) why didn't it win any overall awards? Even when it was focused on just PS3 it wasn't awarded sometimes...

And what makes Bioshock and CoD4, the games that usually won overall, better than Uncharted graphically?

[FordGTGuy]

If the PS3 is so much more power ful then why do all the latest multiplatform look the same on both systems. BIG EXAMPLE would be GTA4.

Also while you PS3 fanboy are talking about the PS3s powerful CPU why don't you also remember that it only has two pools of 256 MB of ram that don't work together.

As far as I'm concerned Alan Wake blows Uncharted out of the water and the new GOW 2 tech demo did the same to the rest of the PS3's lineup for 2008. The big difference between PS3 exclusives and Xbox 360 exclusives is that one focuses way to much on graphics and less on gameplay while the other is Vice Versa.

I love how noone even mentions Fable 2 which is looking great.

[mistertwoturbo]

So you're telling me the PS3, a 1 year younger console has the same graphics or better than a 2 1/2 year old one? Interesting. And a game that nobody has ever seen, called Alan Wake already blows uncharted out of the water? And then a Unreal Engine Tech Demo (not Gears of War 2 tech demo) which the PS3 also can utilize seeing as how it's a popular middleware with sony and Epic games optimizing the engine since UT3 is going to blow everything Sony has away? Also seeing as how for the last 2 years, the only arguement with graphics people keep using the 360's is Gears of War, while the PS3 has Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 5P, and Uncharted?

And all this talk about focusing on graphics, even though this article was purely about graphics to begin with.

I can rewind back to 2006 when the PS3 launched, plenty of posts about how the 360's graphics were extremely superior to the PS3. Now there's just a bunch of posts about how "graphics don't matter".

X360 supporters are just like Microsoft. Never stick to any arguement, abandon the old and make something new, and of course keep reliability at the bottom of the list.

[Grown Folks Talk]

They weren't created or worked on a year apart. Devs have been working on both systems for the same amount of time. The PS3 was "delayed" remember? According to you, had the PS3 actually came out in spring 2006 like they said, it would have had zero games to play.

[Moostache]

This same discussion has been held over 1000 times since 2006. Always the same examples, always the same rationales....its boring already.

There is not enough of a substantive difference in graphics on multi-platform games to make a real difference this generation anyway. If you want to play a particular system's exclusives more than the other (or you are just poor or cheap and can't or won't buy both systems) then choose the platform you like and be done with it. There's really nothing more to it than that.

I own all three systems and to this day I have not seen anything on PS3 that was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than the 360 that I would crap myself and stare at the greatness of my PS3 in my own waste. The bottom line is that both systems have games I liked and games I was lukewarm on. PS3 has MLB: The Show 2008, XB360 still has the best available football game in NCAA 2008. XBL makes playing online and using chat features and friend's lists on games like COD4 much easier...but Uncharted unquestionably blows away Tomb Raider : Legend (about the closest thing available on the 360). The lists go on and on and on...

If you want the best overall gaming experience though, you need to own all three consoles and then sit back in amusement to watch the fanchildren go after each other with the same recycled arguments from 2005 over and over and over again...I think the only thing that will last longer than Sony's constant refrain of "wait until..."x,y, and z" is going to be the steady drone of these morons yelling back and forth about the same things until another round of new consoles is announced next year and released in 2010...

[gnothe1]

im sorry guys but this guy johnv that says he's had 4 360's that broke down an even posted his GAMERTAG,(post 19.1), did anybody check his gamertag!! it shows live usage from 11/06 to 2/07.thats only 4 months, so he's trying to say that he lost a 360 a month. come on now!! now I got a PS3 an a 360 an I prefer the 360 over the PS3 but I would just MAKE UP stories about the PS3 just to make it look bad!!

I got to say that this is amazing, last gen the PS2 had ALL the best games an the xbox 1 had the graphics, this gen the xbox360 has all the best games(so far) an the best graphics(right now) but yet people are still talking about POTENTIAL with the PS3!! AMAZING!!

[mistertwoturbo]

Umm.. You do realize the major PS2 franchises are also going to the PS3? Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, God of War, Metal Gear Solid, and a boatloads of other new stuff. So if you wanna talk about games, the PS3 has them too. Games that the XBOX doesn't have. Games that PS2 owners will purchase a PS3 for. Halo isn't enough to pull all those Final Fantasy fans to the 360. Believe that.

[mirroredderorrim]

Just give us good games.

[Frnicatr]

Let's compare MLB 08: The Show vs. MLB 2K8.... PS3's baseball title makes 2K8 look like a joke.

[Microshaft]

ps3 = better cpu
xbox = better gpu

they're different but equal

its just so happens one of them has $hit games and 90% are delayed.

[Blackcanary]

And the 360 has sh!t games to and games that can't fit on more than 1 disk lol so what you trying to say?

[Varsarus]

The 360's gpu is just "slightly" more powerful than the RSX ALONE, but yeah, Cell & RSX combo just owns. I believe the RSX is scheduled for an API update which is OpenGL Mt Evans, so you can expect big changes when it comes, and OpenGL can do everything DirectX 10 can do and a whole lot more, so if anyone want's to bring up some stupid arguement that the RSX is just a G70 GPU, give it up, they are both based on different architectures.

Another thing which interest's me that Microsoft's DirectX future is not looking good at all, as every major company except Microsoft has become part of the Khronos Group, which involves OpenGL.

http://www.khronos.org/abou...

So what could this mean for the next Xbox? since now them companies are supporting OpenGL, Microsoft seem to be in a bit of a mess unfortunetly.

[MUNKYPOO]

where did you hear about the rsx update? if this is true that would be awesome

[Varsarus]

Well, I found it of some forum, so I won't take it for granted, so we'll just have to see what happens.

[J@D]

I like my PS3 and I'm going to stick with it toa very LONG time. I know with the incoming years or probably months the PS3 tittles are going to look hotter and hotter and with a excellent and solid gameplay there not a match for that isn't ^__^. But, there so many kool Xbox360 game that are going to come as example Alan Wake. I wish the game will port to PS3 but it will not that 4 sure ^__^.

[PimpHandHappy]

i didnt read this article and i didnt read one post

how i see it is

the PS3 using 1.3 HDMI right

the PS3 has a HDD with every machine sold right

The PS3 has the disk format that hold 3-5 times more info right

The PS3 is a math monster right

that makes it easy

PS3 all day

[Xbox is the BEST]

Didn't we heard this before?

[AngryTypingGuy]

We've all heard the word "potential" as soon since before the PS3 came out. The 360 still has the slightly better graphics. The PS3 may pass it eventually, but the two consoles will always remain on par with each other; the PS3 will never blow the 360 away in terms of graphics.

After Alan Wake and GOW 2 come out, people will know that the 360 still has the graphics edge, at least for this year.

It is funny how caught up we get with graphics. I am guilty too, I'm definitely a "graphics whore". But graphics aren't everything. The Xbox's superior graphics over PS2 didn't make many of you Sony loyalists jump ship, and even if PS3 pulls away in graphics, I don't think MS loyalists will jump ship before the next gen comes out.

I think most of us go with either console because of the style of games that we like to play. If the next Xbox totally blows away anything the PS4 does in terms of graphics, would you Sony guys jump ship? Didn't think so, and I don't think it will be the other way around either.

[DFresh]

All I have to say is that the technology speaks for itself.
PS3 keeps breaking the barriers for what video games can do now and in the future.
360 is cool in all but Halo 3 isn't enough to prove to the world that it's next gen.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I don't see where you are coming from here. Halo 3 is awesome, but when showing off the 360's graphical power, that's not a game I would point to, as opposed to Gears of War, or Call of Duty 4.

[theredfoxisquick]

I already knew that. PS3 also is better at physics.

[texism]

True enough, but the Xbox and the Gamecube had better graphics and horsepower than the PS2, and we all know how that turned out...

[Grown Folks Talk]

Both of those systems had better specs than the PS2. That is fact, not opinion. Of course then it was all about the games.

[zonetrooper5]

HDMI is nothing major and being a math monster means nothing to a gamer. Second, don't give me crap about upgrading a PC every month or 6 months for 2k a year lol. Go to Newegg or Overclockers UK and choose decent parts for a good price and your computer should be able to handle most games.

I own a PS3 and Xbox 360 and I'm playing the 360 more than the PS3 due to the games that the 360 had much like the PS2, the PS2 has and is still getting alot of games. I do like having great graphics yet I still play CSS which has good graphics but nothing major, what about CS 1.6? DoD 1.3 etc. Graphics are not the end of the console war, if the average joe finds or sees a game in the shop which sounds appealing then they will buy regardless of it having great graphics or not.

However, everyone who visits this site or IGN, TeamXbox etc are most likely hardcore gamers who argue over graphics and gameplay, play online and buy alot of games.

[sumfood4u]

PS3 has more potential in the future than most Fortunetellers!

[Paperfone]

took them a while to figure out that no brainer.

[lelik]

halo + 1 year head start was enough to fool alot of people though.

[TABSF]

omg may comment got reported for spam when its based on fact

look at it this way

GT5p 1080p 60fps with better graphics
PGR4 720p 30fps not as great

take your votes

[FirstknighT]

Higher resolution doesn't necessarily mean better graphics. COD4 runs at around 620p and won best graphics in 2007 by most game sites/mags. Beating out 1080p games like Lair. So your logic is flawed.

[TABSF]

very true but i ment graphics performance

plus resolution does make difference play crysis at 800 X 600 and then play at 1920 X 1080

every thing is smoother, objects look rounder and everything from a distance looks just as good as if you right next to it.

high res decreases frame rate and same with other graphical enhancements like AA and motion blur

PS3 keeps this high frame rate were other gpu can not

[PSWe60]

the Bots aren't going to like this, they'll be reading this article, if they can even read, with their security blankets...the truth hurts fools!

[AngryTypingGuy]

LOL, the truth is in the games my friend! That is all that needs to be said.

[XB-T]

lololol

[Figboy]

good developers make good games and push the hardware, mediocre and bad developers make mediocre and bad games that barely scrape by.

good developers:
Naughty Dog (Uncharted)
Bioware (Mass Effect)
Kojima Productions (Metal Gear Solid 4)
Insomniac (Resistance 1 and 2, Ratchet and Clank)
Bungie (i'll give them a break, afterall, they've been forced to make Halo games for a long time now, i'm interested to see what they come out with now that they're free)
Sucker Punch (Sly Cooper, Infamous)
Level 5 (White Knight Story)
Polyphony Digital (Gran Turismo 5/Prologue)
Criterion (Burnout Paradise)
Infinity Ward (Call of Duty 4)
Irrational Games (Bioshock; i'm not acknowledging that corporate bs mandated "2K Games; it'll always be Irrational Games to me)
etc and too many more to list.

mediocre developers/publishers:
Activision (too many sh*tty licensed games to mention; ie, Lemony Snicket)
EA (too many sh*tty licensed games to mention)
Ubisoft (certain companies. the Prince of Persia team is the best one they got, really)

we all know that the 360 is a capable piece of machinery, although certain hardware decisions are causing some trouble these days (ie, DVD and lack of HDD standard).

we all know that the PS3 is a capable piece of machinery, although, for last year, at least, it was quite the learning curve for devs to put together a quality game.

my concern, is that the 360's issues aren't easily remedied. they can't add a larger capacity disc medium to the 360 without alienating a large portion of their install base.

they can't make HDD mandatory for games without alienating a large portion of their install base.

in short, there are costs to both actions. personally, i think MS should just bite the bullet, and make the HDD mandatory. it'll help them compete with the PS3 once more games continue to push the boundaries of DVD and expand (and you are either extremely ignorant, or extremely young and don't know your gaming history if you think that games are not going to grow any more this gen; every generation we are shown that larger capacity is *VITAL; from the NES cartridges, to larger SNES cartridges, to PS1 CDs, to PS2 DVDs; developers have found a way to utilize the disc space offered them and create games unlike any other. remember, Ico on the PS2 in 2001 was on a CD. God of War 2 on the PS2 was on a *DUAL LAYER DVD - that'd be NINE gigs, and yet still had a second DVD for bonus material).

games like Mass Effect would have performed loads better had Bioware been able to utilize the HDD for caching. that'd mean no more slow as molasses elevators. no more pausing to load every few seconds (and often in the SAME EXACT AREA). no more obnoxious texture pop in that often takes so long to load, that the damn camera angle has changed and there's no longer a reason to load in the texture at all anymore. no more horrible framerate drops in random areas (my fiance was driving around in the MAKO on a planet surface, and for no reason whatsoever, the framerate chugged to a crawl. she couldn't even access the pause menu so she could save. she waited it out for about 3 or 4 minutes, but then she decided to quit out of the game, and reload her last auto-save, at which point the framerate didnt' give her anymore problems - at least for THAT particular gaming session).

anyway, no matter what MS chooses to do will cost them in the eyes of their audience. and in the entertainment industry, your audience is *EVERYTHING. releasing an HDD-less 360 was pushing it. releasing an HDMI -enabled 360 Elite was pushing a little more. releasing a console with a KNOWN flaw that would cause it to be recalled if it were anyone else but Microsoft, is pushing it to the brink. if they force a mandatory HDD mandate, or release a Blu Ray or some other large capacity disc add on for the 360 that plays games, that's pushing it over that brink, and they will start to *LOSE the support they've tried so hard to garner by releasing their console 6-12 months too early.

now, the PS3 on the other hand, it's main complaints are definitely valid, but the big difference between it and the 360 is that the PS3's issues can be addressed by TIME. let me explain:

1. "the PS3 is too expensive" - that was a universal complaint we've been hearing since E3 2006. i agree; $600 WAS a lot to ask for a console. keyword being WAS, because now the system is $400. if you could pony up $400 for an X Box 360 in 2005, it's hypocritical to claim that the PS3 is too expensive at $400. and besides, the $400 PS3 *IS NOT a gimped unit, unlike the Core X Box 360 was. it was only a matter of time before the PS3's price dropped. even a monkey could see that, eventually, the price would go down, as history has shown us in the gaming industry. i mean, the PS2 still isn't $300 is it? the PS1 still doesn't cost $300, does it? NO.

2. "the PS3 has no good games" - well, this one is just wrong, but even so, it's another issue solved by time. i've had my PS3 since February of 2007. yeah, it was a rough time back then. no store updates, mediocre games outside of Resistance and Virtua Fighter 5. it was a barren wasteland. once again, time has laid to complaints to bed; Motorstorm, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Unreal Tournament 3, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, Ratchet and Clank: Future, Folklore, Oblivion, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, and quite a few more i won't list have grown the PS3 library significantly, and with some quality, to boot. yes, they aren't Bioshock or Mass Effect, but the quality, and most importantly, the *VARIETY is there. not to mention the extremely surprising quality of the PSN titles available.

3. "PS3 online sucks" - another flat out false statement, but i'll work with it. early on, yes, the PSN was quite poor, to put it nicely. of course, unlike Live, the PSN hadn't been around for 6 years prior. it's only been around for a year, and whoo boy, what a difference a year makes. i remember when there was absolutely *NOTHING to the PSN. no game demos, poor titles to download. crappy trailers and videos. NOW look at it; weekly demos. weekly trailers. weekly wallpapers and themes. weekly DLC for games (in particular Rock Band, but games like Motorstorm, Folkore, and Unreal Tournament 3 have gotten new content). and the actual online gaming has been getting better and better with each update.

i think a lot of the haters of the PS3 online have not actually experienced it, because they seem to think that there is absolutely NO FUNCTIONALITY to the service at all. like we can't do a single thing with it. i can talk to friends via voice and text. i can send them messages in game (maybe not between different games, but i can most certainly send them a message and tell them to play). i can see what games they are playing and decide if i want to join them or not (the XMB has your friends list right there, with the game they are currently playing underneath their username. it's not hard to see that, "Oh, Figboy is playing Warhawk, let me pop in the game and join him." and once inside the game, join the map i'm on by clicking on my name in the buddies list; granted the map isn't full already).

if i'm in a clan, then we'll have a set time and schedule for when we're playing anyway, so joining up together won't be a big deal either. in either case, Home will further streamline this service, and once again, time is a consideration. the PS3 isn't the console that has been out for two years, going on it's THIRD, and using an online service that has been around for 6 years. i'm a patient person. right now, i can play online with whomever i choose to, and have a BLAST. if the haters want to continue to remain ignorant, and think that PS3 gamers are sitting slack-jawed at their TVs, lamenting the fact that, while playing Uncharted, they can't talk to friends that are playing Resistance or Warhawk, then go right ahead. you're wrong, but knock yourself out. literally.

4. "multi-platform games on the PS3 ALWAYS suck" - a statement that was true about a year ago. of course, Oblivion, Fight Night, The Darkness, GRAW 2, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Devil May Cry 4, and Burnout Paradise to name a few argue otherwise, but once again, time has healed that wound. the PS3 launched a full year AFTER the 360. not only were final dev kits shipped after final 360 dev kits, but the PS3 is utilizing an architecture that is simply KNOWN to be difficult. in it's simplest form, this means that it will take certain multi-platform developers longer to optimize for the console.

i mean, remember when Unreal Engine 3 was practically unworkable on the PS3? yeah, Unreal Tournament 3 fixed that, didn't it? unfortunately, Unreal Tournament 3 shipped at the END of 2007, so, naturally, any improvements and optimizations won't be able to be applied to developers that have been working on UE3 games for more than a YEAR prior to those optimizations, so most games released near the end of last year, and the first 6 months of this year will probably still carry that stigma. HOWEVER, games released near the end of the year, and well into the future, will be utilizing those new dev tools for UE3, and the games will showcase that.

we've started to see that now with games like Dark Sector, that perform damn near identically on both consoles.

the point i'm trying to make is that the complaints lobbed at the PS3 have been, and will continue to be addressed over time. each month and update, Sony and company have been chipping away at the wall of complaints still surrounding the PS3.

in game XMB? coming
in game custom soundtracks? coming
movie, music, and tv downloads? coming

some of you young'uns have no patience, and you have no appreciation for the things you get already (ie, how barren the PSN was this time last year, then some of you b*tch and complain when a PS Store update ONLY has, like, three new wallpapers, three themes, four trailers, two game demos, etc...ungrateful bastards).

and the best thing about it is that most, if not all, of these upgrades and optimizations are coming at no extra cost to us.

as for the topic at hand, yes, i believe the PS3 can outperform the 360 graphically. given TIME. after all, the PS3 is simply using a lot of newer tech than the 360 is. i mean, the X Box outperformed the PS2 technically because it came out a year later, using some of the latest technology. the situation is simply reversed this time around. the 360 is a great console, and is capable of doing great things, but it has those two foolish limitations that will hinder it in the future (the HDD and 7.5gigs of DVD space at it's disposal). the PS3 has it's own hardware hurdles, but the Cell is a monster processor (as has been proven by Folding @ Home, and numerous other stories of how labs and universities are using the Cell to do some pretty cool stuff), and any improvements on the system can be added via firmware updates, and not complete hardware revisions and peripherals.

the PS3 is only 1 year, and 5 months old. i remember what the PS2 could do at 1 year and 5 months, and what it can do now. we've barely scratched the *SURFACE of what the PS3 will be able to do 6 months from now, let alone 6 years.

it pretty much boils down to how much effort the various developers are willing to put into the console. as we've seen, many developers choose to put little, but many more choose to put in a LOT (ie, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Polyphony Digital, etc).

[DevastationEve]

people need to take into account the stance that each company took when designing their console. Sony decided that brute force powerhouse machinery was their rout and they stuck with a rigidly designed tight and taught system that was armed to the teeth to handle specific tasks. splitting the stash of memory gives both chips 256mb of memory. a 7series GeForce of the "standard shader array era" provided superb fillrates and pixel pipeline performance. and CellBE provides the much needed support with RSX's limited flexibility.

with 360, Microsoft decided that basically that the opposite were their best course of action: an extremely flexible setup throughout the system design. from its use of 512mb unified memory to its unified shader architecture, to its 3 core dual threaded PowerPC 970 "general purpose" CPU. xenos also has 10mb of EDRAM, a tesselation unit and HANA, a fullon hardware upscaler.

RSX doesn't have pipelines for physics or geometry shader ops. so it HAS to be done on the CPU. 360's xenos has a 48 way parallel universal pipeline that can be fed pixel vertex geometry and physics shader ops, though most physics apis are CPU bound.

Sony and Microsoft took different approaches to the functionality of their console. and yet...

just look at a game like DarkSector. a game that actually started up being developed on the PS3. look at how superb an HD-era game it truly is! and the 360 runs it without a hitch. that's what it all boils down to. the fact that "DVD9 sux" this and "360's without HDD" that dont mean anything. the 360 is a solid machine, only that its built differntly than Sony's solid machine!

[Varsarus]

Please keep in mind that the 360's gpu being more powerful is a myth, and because of "complications" not all of the RSX can be accessed which I'm assuming, this was stated by the Burnout Paradise developers in a podcast. Since Sony nor Nvidia have confirmed what the RSX is and what it is capable of then I'm curious whether they have something up their sleeve that we don't about.

[dcypha]

There are bums that live under bridges with more potential than bill gates, steve jobs or oprah! The real questions is did they ever reach that potential? Potential means nothing in this world unless you utilize it! Just ask Ryan Leaf, Michael Vick, or even Hitler he had the potential to conquer the entire world but did he? No. So fanboys unless you are a developer like myself shut up with all the specs for the XBOX360 and PS3 and what can possibly be done if it isn't already proven. Because most of you are just showing your potential for stupidity!

[xg-ei8ht]

Just look at gt5p cars vs forza or anyother game on any other system. Its miles ahead.

[DevastationEve]

to whoever disagreed with my comments, let me know your stance. give me reasons to justify your disagrees. don't just go aroungd clicking disagree just because it's the MOST intelligent form of response your tinny brain can muster. state your case. make a challenging interjection. do some sort of intelligent debate! otherwise, all i can say is that your sh8t, AND the brown upon it.

[TABSF]

get a ps3 and make your own judgement

[DevastationEve]

RSX:standard shader array, 24pixel and 8vertex. shader ops are fed into their prospective pipelines and CANNOT be rerouted to unused pipes, thereby wasting pipeline efficiency. so, if there are 8 pixel ops coming in and 24 vertex ops coming in as well, 16 of the pixel pipelines will be EMPTY, while the 8 vertex pipes are working as hard as they can to accomodate the 24 that are coming in, which means 16 of them are WAITING on the GPU.

Xenos: unified shader array, 48way parallel pipeline. right off the bat, has 8 more pipes than RSX. also, the versatility afforded by this particular array gives it a LARGE advantage in that game engines can switch between heavy concentration of EITHER kind of shader op with only a top-end limit being imposed. so if we use the same scenerio as before we will see NO waiting on any of the ops, with a remainder of 8 pipes ready to take on ADDITIONAL ops as they come in. the pipes are NOT dedicated to a particular function, hence they are more efficient at their job.

RSX has to be 50mhz FASTER than xenos just to make up for its pipeline inadequacies. and it still won't gain anything from that speed, other than increased fillrates, which is still a good thing. it is during these critical examples were the RSX's relationship with CellBE comes into play. CellBE can lend one of its SPE units to aid the RSX in any of its tasks. CellBE has 7 out 8 spes to use (becasue of process yields) and another must be used for its audio (hence the term "Cell-based processing").

IMHO, a truly remarkable CPU will be wasting its precious performance making up for the ends that RSX clumsily drops. a CellBE/Xenos union would have proved immaculate.