PS1 and PS2 Games Will Come to Gaikai

Sony have today confirmed that legacy PlayStation titles will hopefully be making their way to the Gaikai service on PlayStation 4 some time after launch.

[s8anicslayer]

Great but will I have to pay for games I already own? Please don't treat us like the PSP GO!

[iamnsuperman]

No doubt. I assume it quite costly to get people to send in old PS1 and 2 games just so you can get them for free. There not that expensive to buy again (2 or 3 quid) if you want to reminisce. Or you can probably get a PS1 or 2 pretty cheap in a charity/ resale shop.

[s8anicslayer]

Gaikai just might be a subscription service and for one fee you'll have access to all content.

[AbortMission]

@malokevi What a pathetic Xbot

[DragonKnight]

@malokevi: So how many Xbox 360 games will you be able to play on the Xbox One?

[minimur12]

I'm thinking it'll be like playstation plus +

For example, the Ps plus version of D-club is limited, but shu said you can unlock the rest of it - maybe a premium ps plus??

which nets you access to gaikai aswell?

[Kryptix]

@malokevi
Yea? Did you take a $h*t on your keyboard and that's what came out? lol Sony is trying to get those PS1 and PS2 titles out there as quickly as possible after launch. At least they're trying while you're a contradiction because you aren't even trying to be a good troll...the easiest job in any internet community. You don't even meet the minimum requirement cause you're missing a brain. lol
Good day sir. :P

[Kryptix]

@malokevi
lol Nope, I'm perfectly fine but what I know is that you're delusional because you just brought up two things that haven't been shown yet. I can say the same thing about certain specs but I won't...because I wouldn't know what the fu I'm really talking about. But you seem overly confident with something with no video proof. Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny because mommy told you? It's ok, you'll snap out of your delusional phase someday. :)

[DragonKnight]

@malokevi: "Teh Powah ov da Kloud!!!" "300,000 servers!!" "Kloud Komputing is like having 3 Xbox One's in one konsollllll"

[user5575708]

@s8anicslayer

i could see an $8 a month deal like netflix or free if you join playstation plus

if they dont do a subscription i still wouldn't understand why your purchases wouldn't transfer over to the next console if you're using the same account on the ps4 that people have had for years on ps3

[mewhy32]

The news coming from Sony is getting more and more and more pro gamer. Not like the garbage coming from micro$oft.

[gaffyh]

It'll be like a second tier to PS+, probably called PlayStation World which is what was rumoured earlier.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Who the f**k is going to send their physical disks in for the right to play streaming games?

The PS4 is a 100% capable of emulating both PS1 and PS2.

[WickedLester]

Like others have said, I think it's going to be subscription based "buffet" style ala Netflix. I'm fine with that seeing as how I don't even own physical copies of PS1 and PS2 games anymore. The question is, what will it cost? I'm thinking that Sony is going to introduce a tiered PS Plus system where you'll pay a less expensive subscription fee for basic Plus without Gaikai and a more expensive fee for "Premium" Plus that includes Gaikai.

[matgrowcott]

I don't think you'll need to buy anything individually. Rather, it'll be a subscription service.

So on the one hand, you'll have to pay again to get games you already bought. On the other, that same price will probably include tens if not hundreds of other games.

[nnodley]

Yeah this is what I think it will be. I wonder if they are gonna add different tiers to ps+. Like the regular one will be like the one now with MP as well(can't forget that). Then maybe they will have one for another $10-$20 to add gaikai streaming. And then maybe if someone doesn't care about online they can just do gaikai only for $30 or something. So buying them in a bundle would get you a discount. Hope that makes sense.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

This is better but Sony will be even more favorably viewed if they allow the original disks. The PS4 has more than enough power to emulate the older consoles.

[Thirty3Three]

They've announced this a while back, already. They just said they're focusing on PS3 games first...

I like how I got a downvote. People need to listen more. They've already confirmed it.

[cleft5]

I am thinking this will be a subscription based service. Probably will have it's own monthly or yearly fee.

[ginsunuva]

If you purchased ps2/1 games off the ps store, you'll probably get them in gaikai free, but I still think there will be a subscription model instead.

All ps1 games for $1 per month
All ps2 games for $2 per month
All ps3 games for $5 per month

Or all three for $7 a month

How does something like that sound?

Edit: i just realized $5 a month for all ps3 games is a little too cheap

[dcj0524]

Maybe a little more and boom you own all the games you need.

[nnodley]

I like that idea. you should work for sony and pitch this idea. That is if they aren't already thinking about something like this. lol

[NightStalker33]

It would be fantastic, but I doubt Sony would part with its massive library for so cheap. I'm guessing you'll be able to download individual games for a set price. A subscription style would be interesting though.

[WickedLester]

I think 84.00 per year is OK for non Plus subscribers. However if you're already a Plus subscriber that price is way too much to honest. If you already are paying 59.99 per year for basic Plus, I could see maybe Sony offering a "Premium" Plus package for say, 89.99 that includes Gaikai streaming. Not many are going to pay 85 bucks for Gaikai on top of the 59.99 they're already paying for Plus.

[FamilyGuy]

I'm thinking it's either going to be a netflicks like subscription service where you pay $10 a month and can play anything they have available or, i it's game-by-game purchase then the prices should be really low.

If they come up with a goo way to price this service it could be an epic system seller in an of itself. Helping to migrate more of the PS3 crowd into upgrading to the PS4.

The eventual Vita support should be huge too

[KingKevo]

I'm assuming that games you bought digitally will be free, but if you only own a physical copy you will have to pay again, simply because there's no easy way to verify that you currently own and will always own the game.

[FamilyGuy]

You could put the disc in the drive while you're playing and have the PS4 verify its authenticity allowing you to stream the Gaikai version free.

Just because the PS4 can't play the game doesn't mean it can't verify what's on the disc.

[KingKevo]

That's actually an interesting idea if it would also work if you had the disc in your PS4 and do not want to use/waste the laser basically and maybe get some better loading times. But those games are PS1-3 games and I'm not sure how easy it would be for Sony to verify that copy because it can only see that it's a disc but not read that disc to verify it and if it can also see what's on the disc, how does it know that the game is a legal copy. I'm assuming that this might attract some hackers who would try to trick the PS4 and stream games they don't own.

I don't really care though. I'm either guessing that Gaikai will be subscription based (one fee for the entire library or maybe only the PS3 or 2 or 1 library, something like that, or a small fee peer game which would be ok too if it wasn't more than 15$/€ for a PS3 10 for a PS2 and 5 for a PS1 game, hopefully less.

[EmptySkyForm]

Give these games trophy support and I'll happily rebuy them.

[DragonKnight]

That's not possible. PS2 classics that have trophy support on PSN were remade to have trophy support. Streaming PS2 games is not remaking them so I guess you're not going to be buying any of them.

[matgrowcott]

It'd be perfectly possible. Sony even patented the "trigger" method of having trophies pop, which would make sense on a digital, online only platform.

http://www.freepatentsonlin...

[wishingW3L]

FF7 on Steam has achievements. Not hard at all.

[DragonKnight]

@matgrowcott: I totally forgot about that. Thanks. :)

@wishingW3L: That was a re-release that can allow for the inclusion of achievements. Not the same thing.

[_FantasmA_]

Stop with the trophy support. Not every game needs it. Matter of fact,I wish trophies would just die out, and this is coming from someone who collects them. But I feel like I play way too much games because of them and worse, sometimes I play good games until I end up hating them just for that damn Platinum :( Some things should just stay in the past. Why mess with a good thing? If you won't play a good for the sake of the experience/nostalgia then you aren't a real gamer. Play for fun, you heard of that?

[EmptySkyForm]

Keep it to yourself. I don't need your point of view. Stay Free

[WickedLester]

I don't get why people would still want to play PS1 and PS2 games at this point anyway. They look ugly as F_ _ ck on HDTV's. I'd rather re purchase HD remixes.

[Dogteeth]

Sweet

[Dogteeth]

Damnit....

Some time after launch.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

More good news. Looks like Sony might have another ps2 era

[Software_Lover]

meh.

Now if Sony/Microsoft offered Gaiki/cloud subscription service for PS4/XBone games, that would be something to get happy about.

I still have my ps3, and my psone for that matter. I dont need to pay a subscription for games I already own or can get cheap and play. Trophy support or no Trophy support.

[matgrowcott]

I'd be shocked if you couldn't play PS4 games from the cloud at some point after Gaikai launches. Probably right when Gaikai launches. Plus demos.

[Software_Lover]

Would you pay 10-20 a month for the entire ps4 library digitally streamed? I would. I could see a problem with the multiplayer.

maybe they could add an option.

20.00 a month for streaming then offering you a discount to digitally download the multiplayer component of games you want to play online.

Of course I have the internet to handle it though.

[matgrowcott]

I played Homefront all the time via OnLive. Worked fine online.

I'd happily pay pretty much anything up to 30-40 a month if it included every released game. It'd still end up being cheaper than buying each game individually, and I'd play things I wouldn't otherwise.

Would basically kill the used market and rental as well, albeit in a roundabout way.

[r21]

This is one of the reasons why its awesome to have a vita. Its got PS1 and PSP compatibility locked down and PS4 streaming. If they can add PS3 and PS2, then itd be perfect PS handheld :D

[dcj0524]

They need ps2 classics on it. Its more powerful than the ps2 and a great selling point. Imagine playing san andreas on your vita. Pure joy.

[JBSleek]

That's not good business on their part and also I don't think third party would be down with that at all.

[PSVita]

That's why like Netflix third parties get a part of what everyone pays. It's as simple as an agreement.

[JackVagina]

I hope you can just pop you're old disc in and it'll recognize it and it'll load up Gaikai

[Bluepowerzz]

who cares about gaikai when i have 300k unamed cloud servers and titan fall who the hell cares only these fanboys who are internet warriors i walk down the street while typing this on my yolo bro iphone5 and i ask guy xbox one or ps4 he says xbox one everyone i asked says that nobody cares about ps4 it iwll seel like 100k xbox one will sell becuase its xbox lol /s today im xbox fanboy for one day it hurts but it was a dare and i dont refuse them its called friendly trolling people im going to buy a ps4 only and ive been sony since ps1 days chill enjoy my comment.

[I_am_Batman]

Take a break man. And stop typing with your iPhone until you have found out how to punctuate.

[DragonKnight]

Yolo Bro iPhone 5 LMAO!

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

hope ps4 can play ps4 games. Or I will be mad.

[Bluepowerzz]

ps4 cant play ps4 games its not on don mattrick levels xbox one was able to play disk games without disk and ps4 made them not do it and all ps4 fanbs are bad and nobody likes ps4 i want to be in the future with xbox 2 we will go from cloud to orbit playstation guys spinned drm faster than blayblades and made ms change it ms was alwas 10 step aboxe sonys /s

[r21]

Was there ever any doubt?

[Summons75]

stop avoiding the issue of Gaikai....are you going to force us to rebuy all our ps1 and 2 games we already bought on psn? and what about ps3 games like the Last of US, do we need to spend another 60 bucks to play on the ps4 or are you going to give us a chance for a proof of purchase and let us download it for free?

simple thing if Gaikai is anything but free people will be upset and clearly you spending billions to get it you most likely will make us pay or else you wouldn't avoid the subject.

[PSVita]

It's not just a way to buy games it's a game streaming service.

[SniperControl]

I'am going along the lines that it will be linked to your PSN+ account.
If you bought the digital download on the PS3, you will be able to stream it for free to your PS4.
I think Sony would be crazy & foolhardy to ask gamers to pay for stuff again that they only purchased last year for the PS3.
I am not sure how a physical disc would work though, maybe the disc would have to be in the the PS4 for it to stream.

[Software_Lover]

I think Sony would be crazy & foolhardy to ask gamers to pay for stuff again that they only purchased last year for the PS3.

But you guys/gals proved it's profitable.

"I'll buy this game again if it has trophies"
"If they release an HD version of this game I'll rebuy it"
"All these games on one disc. I already own them. Then I bought the HD versions. Now I'm gonna rebuy the one disc version."

We have made our own bed. This service isn't gonna be free.

[wishingW3L]

yeah, most gamers (casual or core) are sheep.

[SniperControl]

@Software_Lover
I know what you are getting at but...

All your reasoning points to one thing, they have been altered in someway.

Ico, SoTC, GOW, etc they have all been made better, be it HD versions, adding trophy support, or Multiplayer.

I bought the digital version of TLoU from the PSN, i will not buy another version of it.
I just cant see Sony charging for games already bought games.

It would be business suicide on level with MS's
DRM fiasco.

Sure PSN+ will be required to access the service.

[PSVita]

No ones forcing you to rebut anything. If they take the time and pay a team to make a HD edition or whatever are they just suppose to give it away? Plus if you have the game already, then play that game on the system you bought it for...

[ShwankyShpanky]

@Sniper: I was waffling about getting the disc or download TLoU, and I ended up getting the disc because I figured I'd end up finishing it and getting a few bucks back off of it.

Little did I know how much I would enjoy the multiplayer, and now I'm constantly popping the disc in and out to go between bedroom and living room. Wish I had grabbed the digital.

[o-Sunny-o]

I hope so! ^~^ I want all games on "One" game system. The all in One gaming machine PS4!

[Bluepowerzz]

jeez i cant even do friendly trolling with my sony bros seriously.

[Whitey2k]

I think with it being psn+ there should be a gaikai fee included with psn+ and then u would get every ps game to play for free anytime anywhere any device besides xbox and apple fone

[JBSleek]

Playing TLOU on my HTC One doesn't sound appealing.

[Supermax]

Great idea that way I can catch up on games of old.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

A man will keep his PS3 and all the downloaded PS1 and 2 titles he has until Gaikai offers him all those games and has demonstrated stable gameplay for him. Hell he will probably still keep it just for owning everything. PS3 will be for the first 3 playstations and PS4 will be for next gen.

[Bluepowerzz]

stop talking in 3rd person punk

[ShwankyShpanky]

Ah, lighten up... he's just adding a little character to his posts.

[Xaphy]

so does that mean i can play ps2 games on my ps vita as well?

[Bluepowerzz]

guys i own 2 ps3s a ps1 a ps2 and ill own a psv soon and 3ds just for kh 3d pls quit the hating its called friendly trolling. https://dl.dropboxuserconte...

[Joe913]

This really shouldn’t be too hard for them to do as far as digital that you already bought well if your ps3 can already keep track of everything you downloaded since you got a psn account that takes care of that as far as physical disk every one of my games is registered on the PlayStation website I think you have to put in a product code if not just make it to where ppl can put in the serial # (everything has one of those) and if you can google a serial # and that product pops up why can't Sony do something similar to confirm you own that game then they can just unlock it or put kiosk in places where ppl can drop off a game and get a code that unlocks it in the cloud I hope Sony do not make ppl rebuy their games and if we have to pay for all access then I hope it is just another tier of PS+ and if we have to pay then we get access to all PS games no matter what the gen they have done everything right so far this won’t make or break the ps4 but a lot of ppl will be pissed.

[RM-TatoTiburon]

the beauty of backwards compatibility is the chance to play my old games not to buy them again. I´ll pay for a HD version not for the same game that i already own.

Good news for the kids who never played ps1 or ps2 games

[Biohazard8860]

Bring me resident evil outbreak 1 and 2 and MK shaolin monks then i'm set.

[Whitey2k]

The only thing I wanna know is what about us Europeans? Do we get to suffer and left in the dark? Considering that the latency aint all that from europe to america

[turgore]

Is it me or are PS1 games on Gaikai unecessary. I'm sure the PS4 could EASILY emulate them.

[matgrowcott]

They could, but it'd mean writing a PS4 specific emulator.

It's easier just to run the game than to trick it into thinking it's working on a PS1.

[PrimeGrime]

Awesome. I can't wait to see Gaikai couple years down the line. Should be an incredible service. I really don't mind paying a small fee again to play the games I love on PS4 and to be able to stream them anywhere.

I would hope though that possibly as a smart incentive to get everyone on the PS+ band wagon, they keep it all subscription based. That way there is much more of a reason to have PS+. Then again it may be a downside and alienate users who would normally be willing to pay that small fee regardless who don't want PS+ (most people will have PS+ though just for multiplayer). Tough call from a business perspective, either way I will be happy.