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Please Understand: Game Companies Don't Care About You Over Profit

Invisible Gamer's Gabe Gurwin writes: "While vocal gamers certainly had a role in damaging perception of the Xbox One, Microsoft’s bottom line on the device was what drove the change. Perhaps this was why a decision had not been made prior to E3: Microsoft simply underestimated how poorly the public viewed the Xbox One."

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Majin-vegeta3951d ago

Then why is Sony giving us games after games??if they didnt care they would just be doing dumb sh*t after dumb sh*t.

GamingAngelGabriel3951d ago

Because it puts them in a good light and makes you become a lifetime supporter of their products.

TongkatAli3951d ago

Scratch my back I scratch yours, that is life.

nypifisel3951d ago

That's the thing though. I'm pretty sure almost everyone knows companies answer to shareholders and not consumers. But there's many ways to go about this, and it effects consumers differently. Sony went with the far more appealing approach of thinking a happy customer is a spending one (which seems to work just fine). Microsoft went a completely other way thinking they can force the consumers into doing it like they want, this does works sometimes, it's not something we like though.

Sony will come out on top because of this and Microsoft needs to take a hard look at themselves.

georgeenoob3951d ago

You THINK Sony puts gamers before profits but pretending to put gamers first is their approach of making more profit for the long run.

mp12893951d ago

Good companies realize consumers=profit

GrandTheftZamboni3951d ago

Each one of us who has bills to pay has to put profit before other people's entertainment. That still doesn't mean that all of us are the same. Some of us do what we do because we're passionate first while bringing money home. Some of us are in what we do for money first regardless of what the job does. My feeling is that Sony is passionate about gaming, while MS sees just another opportunity in it. Corporate culture isn't the same at every company who is trying to make money.

TronEOL3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Care about customers/developers = more support = more money.

So everyone wins.

Everyone will always have someone buying their product if it's at least decent. But being BETTER at something will get you more. Aka Sony and the PS4.

Fat Bastard3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

I don't know if anyone here has a business degree based on the foolish comments, but the goal of a firm is to maximize shareholder wealth, not to maximize profits. In some cases these two go hand in hand, but in many cases they do not. Take a few basic business classes and you'll understand, they're not the same thing. This doesn't have to do with Microsoft or Sony btw, it's just a business fact. And this isn't aimed at gamingangel, it's aimed at everyone

Sayai jin3950d ago

@GrandTheftZamboni - I agree with you about individual having passion and still making a living. However, people or individual households are not like large corporations. True some companies have passion, but unlike individuals they have shareholders that they have to answer to. You made a comparison of MS and Sony....I am thinking you are talking about the gaming divisions. While that point is arguable, I will comment on the companies as a whole (also arguable). MS makes most of it's money on it OS. They have many more division in their company. Many see Microsoft as the evil giant and not innovative. Like many companies they push products that fail (hello zune). Sony is a diverse company as well. Sony's electronic division especially their audio section used to be in the pinnacle of excellence. In the last two decades they have turned that division into a mediocre audio division and go on their name to make sales. Sony's home and mobile speakers, receivers, etc have fallen and become Wal-Mart brands. They still make excellent TVs, but companies like Samsung, Sharp, etc have exceeded them in this dept.

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dedicatedtogamers3951d ago

I wrote a blog about this last week:

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

To say "such and such company doesn't care about you over profit" is petty at best and downright ignorant at worst. What, am I supposed to be mad that a corporation doesn't personally care about me? Should I stop buying their products? OH NOEZ!

GamingAngelGabriel3951d ago

You're missing the point. I'm arguing that a company isn't making good PR decisions for no reason other than to make people happy. The more people like Sony, the more successful the company will be.

GamingAngelGabriel3951d ago

I also never said that Sony is just like Microsoft. In many respects, I'm saying the opposite. By proving to consumers that they value them (as consumers) it has given them a sizable lead going into the next generation.

Crazyglues3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

@ dedicatedtogamers

-And that was a really nice blog Post.. Really nice read.. well done.

-yeah but back on topic-

I think this is a little different view point but both were good reads..

I think Sony's approach is from a consumer friendly standpoint -(meaning let's try to make money but do it with out hurting consumers)

So I think that's why they win, they thought of the consumers first before doing things..

Where as MS said hey if it makes money let's do that, consumer were an after thought. -As they just thought consumers will just adjust to the new polices...

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PopRocks3593951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

I think it's more about recognizing the truth about the situation.

I'm fully aware Nintendo doesn't give much of a lick about me as a fan as oppose to the contents of my wallet. But I enjoy their products. That's about enough for me.

That's just one personal example of course.

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Rusty5153951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Dude, you sound ridiculous. ALL companies want money. They need to make a profit to stay in business. No arguing with that. Sony is playing it smart. The more customer satisfaction you have, the more money you're gonna get. This isn't a game of kickball on the playground. Sony isn't our friend. They are the dealer, and we are the customer. Simple as that.

GamingAngelGabriel3951d ago

....That's exactly what I say in the article. That's why it says "over profit."

matgrowcott3951d ago

Because enough people subscribe to Plus and games are cheap enough to put onto the service that everybody involved is making a ton of money.

You didn't think they were literally giving games out for free?

stuna13951d ago

We all know that game companies don't love us! But Sony comes pretty close, maybe it's an extreme case of infatuation.

JsonHenry3951d ago

The problem is they can't do "dumb sh*t" too many times or people will not buy their products. They saw an advantage they could hold over MS on used games/DRM policies and they went with it.

Do you really not think if they thought they could do away with used games or require checks ins to increase their bottom line they wouldn't do it?

Doctor_Freeman3951d ago

"Please Understand: Game Companies Don't Care About You Over Profit."

Ehh their job isn't to care about us, its to make money. But I believe if they make an effort to care then the latter will follow.

TheHybrid3951d ago

You're life must be very confusing and painful

MegaLagann3951d ago

See this is my point. Sony doesn't give you free games on PS+ because they care about you, they do it as incentive for you to pay 50 dollars a year for PS+. It helps their bottom line. You see? PROFIT! Sweet glorious profit! And in the end, why should we care. We get free games, so everyone wins. But don't act like Sony is doing this just for you. This was one problem I had with everyone's reaction to E3 this year. People acted like Sony just cured aids and cancer at the same time because they announced the PS4 would have no DRM. The reason they did it is because they saw how pissed everyone was at Microsoft, the quietly took out all their DRM and then went on stage and embarrassed the s*it out of Microsoft (which was great, by the way). But again, just like with the last example, don't think Sony is a holy virgin sent from the heavens by archangel Trenton to save gaming. They did it to cover their ass, as any company should. And just like in the first example, who cares? We benefit, this is good. But don't give companies credit for doing their job. (This also applies to every company, just used Sony as an example because prince of all Saiyains was talking about them).

wastedcells3951d ago

What if there is profit in caring about you? Mind blown.

redcar1213951d ago

sony is a company that needs to make money stop bumming them they dont give a monkeys bout u

PopRocks3593951d ago

Earning fan respect (and treating your customers well) is not necessarily a sign of compassion. It's just a way to not piss off the people buying your products. Some companies are better at recognizing this (and how to do it) than others. Sony's just a LOT better at it than Microsoft nowadays.

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MariaHelFutura3951d ago

Some do more than others. I would have thought that would be clear by now.

no_more_trolling3951d ago

youre obsessed with any man who works for sony
i could set up a dinner date for you with that man on your display icon :P

Qrphe3950d ago

Not really, Sony is only acting nicer because they think their approach will yield the best financial results (and it has). If their thinking was different (like in the beginning of the 7th gen for example), they would go with another approach.

NYC_Gamer3951d ago

I never thought these multi- billion dollar companies were my friends....Its common sense that their job is to put out and market products that consumers wanna buy.

GamingAngelGabriel3951d ago

Well I wish more people were like you.

Hicken3951d ago

I don't think anybody SERIOUSLY doesn't understand this.

It just so happens that some companies, more than others, understand that treating their customers well will ALWAYS result in more money. Repeat customers and a loyal fanbase will always be a more reliable source of income than casual or one-shot buyers.

The companies that at least PRETEND like their customers matter will continue to do well. That's part of why there seems to be so many Sony "fanboys" around sites like this. Sony treats people well, EARNING continued service, and the defense people have of the company. Nintendo does the same, though they seem to have lost their way a bit recently.

But, looking at Microsoft, I just don't see them doing things the same way.

Smoovekid3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

If they want our money they will give us what we want.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7212h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

purple1011h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos47m ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac3m ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 8h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 6h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 3h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN20h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo22h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies18h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 6h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic16h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9015h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 7h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 7h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 4h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 6h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 6h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

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purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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