Video Game Devs Respond to Xbox One Bombshell

After much confusion and conflicting reports, Microsoft has now provided some clarification on the Xbox One’s features; specifically pertaining to its used game policy, always online, and Kinect. Because some of these details may affect the game development process, developers shared their concerns, enthusiasm, and general thoughts in response. And of course, we had our own discussions at the IGN office:

[greenpowerz]

It way like they were secretly waiting for somebody to have the balls enough to support what they have been waiting for, for so long. If would be foolish for a company to not follow in this direction. Support would go to the company better protecting financial well being/food on the table.

EDIT

What do you mean what? LOL

You think those comments sounds angry/hostile/disappointed?

They wan't people to pirate their games?

[M-M]

What?

[omi25p]

I guess what he is saying is developers what the X1 and ps4 to be more like steam. 1 game is 1 player. But there is a little more freedom with it.

Im not at all happy about it but i can understand it.

Microsoft have said they will not charge for u to sell there games. But other publishers might.

Being connected all the time i personally dont think is an issue. How do we know that the X1 wont have some sort of 4G built in. Also they didnt say u have to have gold It might not even need a full connection, might just need to be able to sense a connect

[JokesOnYou]

IGN Executive Editor of Previews -Ryan McCaffrey

"Again, not defending MS, but theyre not afraid to drag people kicking &screaming into the future. Remember XBL being broadband-only in 2002?"

-Yep same will happen with 24hr login= the world is becoming more connected everyday.

Cell phones are another huge example, initially most hated the idea of always being "available", hell sometimes I still do but aint no way on hell Im giving up this Samsung Galaxy S4 smartphones are just tooooo convenient.

[Ares84HU]

Greenpowers makes little sence to me.

I guess what he is trying to say is that MS wanted to do rhese things for a long time now and they want companies to support them. MS is implementing these "functions" like the 24h check in and the used game plolicy to make more money.

I think it's total bullshit though. When you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do with it what you like. Who in their right mind would buy a used game for XB1 if you have to pay the publisher to play it. It's like buying a used car and than paying a few more thousand $ to Audi/BMW/Mazda or any other car manufacturer. To me it looks like that they are trying to take away ownership of games and what you get basically is a license to play a certain game. Also, after you purchased your game and played it for a week the price will drop below a frogs ass. You think that Gapestop is ripping you off now?? Next gen expect to get below $10 for a used game that is about a week old.

Also, I'm noticing that as time goes on more and more people start loving the XB1 and deffend all the bullshit MS is trying to force on us for some reason.

[Godmars290]

""Remember XBL being broadband-only in 2002?""

And the thing about that at the time was that it could be completely ignored. It was a benefit when used, but with the first Xbox you could never use it and overall nothing would change.

You could at least play damn games.

[Bluepowerzz]

wtf doe

[YNWA96]

@ares84, any software you buy, physical or digital, theres an Eula of some sort. On consoles you get them in firmware updates. On Pc's you get them when installing. With console gaming, places like gamestop took trading to the extreme, where a game could get traded many multiple times where it really hurt developers and publishers. Its always been a case of only owning a license to play the game, movie and music... Its only now they have the technology to do something about it.... Tis the future of things... Sony will follow suit....

[fr0sty]

People are saying they'd be shocked if PS4 didn't have very similar or the same policies, after Sony has repeatedly said it will not require a connection at all and won't restrict used games unless the publisher decides to do it. MS is doing it at the system level, limiting the number of times you can loan a game to a friend (and requiring that friend to have been on your XBL friends list for at least one month) and requiring a constant connection at least once per day.

There is nothing similar about the policies of the two companies regarding console DRM. Sony doesn't limit how many times you can sell a game, or where it can be sold. It doesn't mandate installs that are tied to your PSN account. It doesn't require a connection at all.

[Machiavellian]

Sony said the console does not require an internet connection but its up to publishers if they want to implement online checks. People need to read carefully exactly what Sony said and did not say.

If its up to the publishers then it sounds exactly what MS has done without being coy about it.

Also MS has stated that MS game studios will allow games to be resold, gifted and traded so at least everyone knows how MS games will go on the console.

Right now, we know nothing how Sony will implement this "Publishers DRM" since they have not stated anything.

[justastranger10]

Notice how none of the developers or publishers are talking bad about it. They love this policy. The result is more games on X1. I would bet my house on it.

[HammadTheBeast]

People don't pirate anyways on PS3/360 (not much anyways) so it kind of defeats that argument.

[LogicStomper]

You'd be surprised...

[Ju]

Yeah? Where is that PS3 cheat mode? 360...I don't know, actually.

[theoneb]

Lol what? You are terribly misinformed. PS3? No because of the firmware updates and the price of blu ray burners. But 360 most definitely. Ive bee to iraq and not all of the country is a war zone. I visited a mall that looks like something in any American city they had tvs and consoles for sale in what looked like the iraq version of best buy. This wasn't a bootleg store yet in 3rd world countries there is no such thing as legit 360 games they are all bootleg. There were legit ps3 games in this store as well.

[Dee_91]

lmao @Ryan McCaffrey
"Again, not defending MS, but theyre not afraid to drag people kicking &screaming into the future. Remember XBL being broadband-only in 2002?"
Like gaming is better now than when it was back then.Yea the games are arguably better, but this DLC,DRM generation is NOTHING to brag about sir.The ONLY positive coming from these restrictions are the game library were you can play any of your games on any xbox with your account without needing the disc (not to mention all of the restrictions with that), and thats a tiny positive on its own, but compared to all the negative its a microscopic positive.

greenpowerz is one of the men playing the violin as the titanic sink.I salute your dedication young man
@theoneb Those firmwares does nothing.you can still play online with a jailbroke ps3 weeks at most after a new firmware.However sony does a great job banning those accounts though.

[KillerPwned]

Go to any torrent site and you will see huge collections of PS3 and 360 games up for download.

[Ju]

^^ True. And you can do absolutely nothing with those. At least with PS3 isos. Burn 'em onto a BD and hang 'em to the wall. Because that's all they are good for.

[theoneb]

@Dmarc my point isn't that piracy doesnt exist on ps3 its that its a heck of alot worse on 360. You didnt read the words where I said the whole country was pirated lol? I didn't own one but American soldiers purchaed thousands of bootleg games during the Iraq war. If I was MS I would be trying to do something to prevent that as well but the 24hr checkin isn't the answer hell ISPs aren't reliable enough for that. Plus what if I dont pay my cable bill :(

[IcicleTrepan]

A simple search revealed that the PS3 is indeed quite hackable so for all those comments above mine that say it isn't, you are completely full of it. It's as hackable as the PSP. Just get a custom firmware on there. You don't even need a mod chip. I don't know who you're trying to fool by saying nobody is playing pirated games on PS3 or it's not hackable. It's been jailbroken for years.

[Realplaya]

Actually my buddy hacked his ps3 he just never connected it online and didn't install any new firmware updates. all his games were burned on a hard drive. His UI looked like a library with the game on shelves. So to all the people who think the PS3 can't be hacked. If people have time to hack banks then they can do it to consoles.

[Corpser]

Google "ps3 cfw", all you need to do is install a hacked custom firmware, and you can play all these games you see on torrents. But you can't play online

[badkolo]

are you on crack, everyone is pirating 360 games, dont act like they dont. this will stop pirates yet let you do all you did before, it even has advantages, your privacy is out the door already brothers and sisters, they announced today the gov has all our phone records all our ip records so we are tracked and traced already beyond what you can imagine, so stop trying to make it seem xbox one is doing something new, its not, they are protecting their games many like to steal and not pay for, deal with it. xbox 1 rules

[AutoCad]

lol 100+ 360 games here..
as for ps4 if you are past a certain fw you cant,but trust me ppl do pirate on ps4.

[GDDR6_2014]

The last of us is already on torrent sites

[Rivitur]

ISO...Xlink Kai...Jtag FTW

[Enemy]

damagecontrolpowerz

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Mods please read that link, and look through Greens comment history.He's the living definition.

[Narutone66]

For all I know, he's not the only one. Could be the same person with multiple accounts. It's so obvious that it's not funny anymore.

[Testfire]

Haha, you might be right. I do see these guys/gals all over the internet.

[Qrphe]

The fact he sides with the company and against the consumer proves you right.

[kneon]

But he's so bad at it I can't believe anyone would actually pay him

[hesido]

I *hope* he is getting paid and not just a fanboy. If he's a fanboy and not getting paid, I'm genuinely sorry for him.

[Jazz4108]

If greens a viral marketer then the mods need to look at 70 percent of the sony loving accounts. They even call sony a god.

[FFXI101]

Off the topic, didn't Samsung got caught doing that a while ago? I think it was at Taiwan.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

yup. or here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Anon1974]

"Support would go to the company better protecting financial well being/food on the table."

But if this blows up in their face and sales of another console take off as a result while the Xbox One falters, where do you think developers are going to throw their support? There's a line between protecting your interests and pissing off your market that not all developers are willing to tread.

Already in this article we're seeing these decisions being met with skepticism from devs and the gaming media.

[Omegasyde]

I agree completely. Its a catch 22.

If the Ps4 sells more because this, publishers will have no choice to focus on it. Also Xbox, states they are leaving the "choice" up to the publisher....This makes no sense since Xbox had a mandatory 24-hr check in!

On the other hand, if publishers like this agreement as it increases revenue(lesss used games), why make games for the ps4 if people can still play used game.

Honestly, I don't see Sony going this route but instead keep using what has been working so far.... Online Passes.

If a game is singleplayer only however whats the point of the the passes?

[kneon]

It's not the DRM that Microsoft is leaving up to the publishers, it's whether you can transfer or sell your license. The DRM is there whether or not they want it.

[N4g_null]

This could mean a total boycott and their doors closing.

[Jockamo]

I believe the publishers put MS up to this. And now that it's announced, they're hiding in the shadows. I feel sorry for MS. It's not like they wanted all this bad PR.

[wenaldy]

I disagreed without reading your post.. lol..

[Hicken]

No worries. You were still right.

[Roper316]

just remember that when you lose your internet for a few days and are unable to game. I have lost internet/cable for a few days but still had power and was able to game, so you think it's right for me not to be able to game if i lose my internet again? Even though I bought & paid for the console & a new game not a used game but a new game at full price? you really think that is right and acceptable for me to not be able to use what I pay for? Are you a socialist or something? You voted Obama didn't you?

I couldn't careless about the used games sales because I keep all my games and don't buy used. The only thing I will lose out on is when my friend gives me his old Call of Doo Doo because he got the newest yearly release. So trust me when I tell you as far as I'm concerned missing out on that is no biggie even for free.

But to defend a company who won't let you use what you rightfully & legally bought without checking in with them every 24 hours to me is crazy.

[IcicleTrepan]

I'm most concerned with what if Xbox Live goes down for a period of time, or at the end of life of the One, they decide to shut 'er down. Then your right to play games you paid for just goes down the drain. I don't want a pile of games I paid for to suddenly become worthless because some tool flicked a switch in Redmond.

[garos82]

Try moving house in the UK and transferring your isp to a new address....
Internet-less for weeks

[wishingW3L]

this has nothing to do with socialism, this is capitalism at its finest.

[Christopher]

***If would be foolish for a company to not follow in this direction.***

You hear that CDProjekt (owners of GoG.com and makers of games), you are foolish! Fooooolish!

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if MS is paying Green.Gaf just banned a bunch of MS damage controllers.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Mods here really need to look into his comments.It's all fun and games to poke fun sometimes and mess with the fans but this guy is getting paid to promote an agenda and spread propaganda.

[nukeitall]

Actually, looking at the actual comments it is no reason to ban them. Far more than what is being posted here, like even your post speculating....

[T2]

its not fanboyism when you just resort to completely rehashing corporate PR B.S. like Greenpowerz. He is obviously a PR lackey or is so deluded he actually is a cerified mentally ill person who needs help. Thank god for bubbles some days....

[Tatsuya]

lol you're still the idiot we know even after that massive failure of a next gen Xbox reveal. Go ahead sheep, Microsoft is waiting in bed for you.

[Fat-Milkers]

I have tried to read this post three times! I have no idea what it is your are saying. I mean just literally the poor grammar and spelling insults the English language. Its so incoherent I had a stroke concentrating so hard :/
Sorry I had to reply, this post amazes me. I'm sure someone can decipher its cryptic meaning.

[Slade23]

wow really. Mircosoft the Shepherd and the sheep is the people who follow Mircosoft. it's not that hard to understand... it's not rocket science. I just don't know why he put "waiting in bed for you" or who he's talking to.

[T2]

so you admit to being a corporate shill in other words, greenpowerz... "it would be foolish for a company not to follow this direction" Really? with consumers lining up on both sides to boycott this option? Is that how they teach customer service in corporate shill speak? Force it down their throats? go ahead, its just more reasons to boycott. Unless you are a company shareholder, then stfu, you sound like a MS PR rep.

[indysurfn]

microsoft is like the government that fools you by using words like a shell game, call them in between words. In this case the word would be 'family'. If by family they mean anyone in your house on the same network. Then there 'feature' of you can have anyone in your family play a game is very mute! Because that means anyone in your walls can play your game. And I can do that NOW with every console ever invented. No high speed internet required. And no checks every one to 24 hours require either! In fact pay attention how they change from using 'family' to 'friends'. This is how they can trick us into thinking we are getting something new when we are only getting something old with a added restriction. Microsoft is determine to not let us own our software. And to control who we can do business with.

[blind-reaper]

These microsoft policies DON'T mean at all that it will end pirate games (in fact I believe it will promote it, because it will be the only way to play your games offline), in fact these type of policies are only punishing the people who buy and trade ORIGINAL games.

[1nsomniac]

What, as in they are finding it difficult to read what your saying with your dyslexia. Plus when you fight through the spelling mistakes & randomly added words, the point that your actually trying to raise doesn't really sit well either as it's up to the consumer to accept this or not, not the manufacturer. As most of us including me will not by the XBone due to this issue.

[noctis_lumia]

kindly just shut it up xbox fanboy thx

[sAVAge_bEaST]

I don't know if there are really that many xbox fan-boys left. I do know there are hordes of MS PR people on websites 'posing' as fan boys.. put they are pushing an agenda.. and it's easy to see through.

[a_bro]

http://i.imgur.com/he28o0T....

microsoft between be throwing megatons at E3, cause time is running out for them.

they're going to play dirty by paying 3rd party companies to show their games on that box over the PS4 apparently on E3

[Salooh]

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https://securecdn.disqus.co...

[Ju]

Does it matter? Didn't they just self-destruct with that "clarification"? Well...i don't really care. Never wanted an XBone, but tried to be open. At least before Sony showed anything. But I must say, MS made it quite easy to not even waste a thought of considering this.

... And thanks for keeping the entertainment value up. Since the reveal it's quite entertaining coming back to n4g...lol.

[MajorLazer]

They exploded a Nuke on themselves with the reveal, and with every passing day, radiation from said Nuke has been killing them further and further. MS is a mutant!

[wagnus]

I really don't want an xbox1 after all that is going on. (I don't own a playstation 3, and haven't touched my wii in years).

If they honestly try to buy out 3rd parties to sell people like me, I hope we stand strong. The only way to knock this shit off is to send a message via poor sales.

[ybadr]

Here, take this bubble sir.

[ltachiUchiha]

Exactly, too bad some dont see where your coming from and will look at this as a good thing. Smh

[Slade23]

^ True

[sAVAge_bEaST]

they are also playing dirty on these sites..
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[a_bro]

You know..Sony did the same exact thing back in 2006-2008

it wasnt until we gamers put them in their place..Look at them now. they are doing the things we expect them to do.

its funny and ironic that Micrsoft is doing the same thing.. they need to learn a lesson as well.

[zeal0us]

Whelp we know who will win Consumer Worst Company(in the US) next year, so EA you can take a deep breathe and relax now /jk.

Whelp Cliff did say always online was coming and boy I didn't think it was coming this soon.

[Narutone66]

As Orth said: "deal with it". Really stupid, SimCity and Diablo 3 should have given them a hint of what will happened if they push thru with it.

[majiebeast]

Lost all respect for Cliffy and Jaffe.

[Testfire]

Barely? Yes, these guys have made some good games, but my respect for them stops there. They're obnoxious narcissists who take every opportunity to get attention.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I don't know why you say they're narcissistic. They're very opinionated and neither of them care for censoring their beliefs, but that doesn't make them narcissists.

[MikeMyers]

David Jaffe:

"I wonder if Xbox1's 'let's pubs decide If a game can be sold as used' will allow what I have been asking for for years: pubs lock launch"

Pubs lock launch. What does that mean, no used sales until they say so? This could be what I mentioned before, they will have a window to sell only new copies and then allow more freedom. That way they can get as much revenue as they can while still giving the consumer some flexibility later on.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Yes that's exactly what he meant.

[madpuppy]

If they were ONLY locking the launch of a game for a certain time period, to me that would be fine, I almost NEVER buy a game at launch, let the suckers eat the full price. I am not a impatient 12 year old (age or mentality) that has to have a game at launch or my fwends will make fun of me...

[Christopher]

And by devs, they mean half a page of IGN tweets.

[HammadTheBeast]

Lol

[jdktech2010]

Colin Moriarty's tweet saying he would be shocked if PS4 doesn't have similar restrictions concerns the crap out of me.

I hope everything is answered at E3 or I'm gonna march to Redmond and Japan and demand answers (in spirit anyway)

[InTheLab]

Screw that. Sony needs to address this immediately, or lose whatever momentum they have going into E3.

When you go second with the bad news (if they do something similar), you end up looking worse. Especially since they're looked at as the white knight of gaming....

[Double_O_Revan]

I'm really hoping the clarification is the FIRST thing they talk about during their conference.

I've had faith I'm Sony the whole time, but these past few days, I've started to get worried. They are my hope for the future of the industry.

[joeorc]

Kotaku [via Maxconsole] had a few questions about the PlayStation 4 and its used game DRM as well as always-online functionality. Kotaku contacted Sony directly and a representative for Sony pointed Kotaku back to one of their own articles, reiterating statements made by Sony's top dog studio chief, Shuhei Yoshida, where Kotaku originally published this info back in February...

"At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that." (Emphasis added.) "

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

[Omegasyde]

I completely agree...But then it comes to who matters most...The gamer or the publisher?

No publisher = no games = no gamers. In the end, gamers lose. If games are still 60$ and still get shipped with ON DISK/DAY 1, I might go PC all the way next gen.

[Seafort]

You could also put that another way.

No gamers = no money = no publisher.

But developers would find a way to sell to the gamers so the publisher isn't really needed in the transaction. The publisher is just a convenient way to get games across to gamers easier.

[wishingW3L]

Colin: "In closing, I will be SHOCKED if PlayStation 4 doesn't have very similar, if not identical, used/sharing restrictions DRIVEN BY PUBLISHERS."

Remember that Sony said that the PS4 will not include any kind of DRM but that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers.

[Rusty515]

Exactly. Colin Moriarty is the only guy at IGN that knows what the hell he's talking about. If he's claiming this, that can't be good..

[LuditPRIME]

Microsoft trend setters and law breakers. By law I mean rape and by trend I mean *smile*

[RememberThe357]

They're "smile setters" and "rape breakers?"

[MajorLazer]

Law = Smile
Trend = Rape
***

[Robtherobot2013]

When the smoke clears, PS4 will have the same restrictions or (most) 3rd party developers and publishers will NOT support the console.

[InTheLab]

At the end of the day, it's still about selling games. If Sony goes against eA and Acti, they might lose out on a few timed exclusive deals...but that will be all.

Console makers still run the industry and no publisher can hold games ransom without hurting their own interests...which is profit.

[stuna1]

That's it! No one is going to risk losing half of their fanbase! That would be more detrimental than the sales they would lose by piracy or used games sales.

[dcbronco]

You two are really kidding yourselves if you think gamers won't follow the titles of EA and Activision. Most of the people that buy FIFA and CoD are more casual then hardcore. You think they care about Sony. You're crazy. It's just like when people initially thought Ultimate Team was exclusive. Many would have left PS. The same will happen if there is no CoD, FIFA or BF. Remember, it's about teh exclusives.

[Why o why]

Goes both way dc

Why do you think ea and acti go multilplatform on all games....yes because they want to maximise profits and not be limited to one or 2 consoles . Right now the wii u isn't giving them money so it would be silly for them not to want the money off one of their biggest funding platforms off the last 2 decades. Ms will get the perks just like they did with cod but that didnt stop acti from releasing on every platform out did it. There was a rumour activision gets a percentage of live fees. Not sure how true that is, but if it is indeed true, again, it still didn't stop them releasing cod on the other platforms who didn't give them extra revenue

[dcbronco]

But if they release on one console, the other won't have as many people to sell to. And if DRM is their idea and Sony refuses, if they gave it to them a year late it would kill their sales. If the exclusives sell consoles, like most Sony fans seem to believe, then MS having the vast majority of the major exclusives and all of the biggest, MS would have a huge advantage. It would be the same for Sony. If you lose EA and Activision, you lose CoD, BF, FIFA and Madden. Those games alone means MS gets most of Europe with FIFA and everyone else with the rest. If Ubisoft and Bethesda go that route it's over for Sony. They would pretty much lose all of the non-hardcore gamers. And the generation. MS already has America, FIFA gives them Europe. Especially if there really is a deal with Sky that gives them the Premiere League.

[NatureOfLogic]

If gamers reject Xbox one and it doesn't sell, publishers will only be hurting themselves. Most can't afford to support one console as it is. Some maybe will, but like I said they'll only be hurting themselves and they risk getting boycotted against those who support the gamers in the end. Publisher NEED Sony on board if they want to be half way successful.

Edit: Now were back to MS loyayist and greedy grabbing developers hoping that Sony also goes against what the gamers want. Gaming is at an all time low right now. If Sony does follow up, I may be done with gaming(I'm looking at you WiiU). But I have a feeling Sony will support gamers in the end despite all of those hoping they do not. Seeing what MS is doing I'm so happy I've never owned an Xbox. I didn't blindly contribute to this.

[Double_O_Revan]

Exactly. People can say that publishers will want Sony to follow and if Sony doesn't then the developers will abandon the system.

But if the Xbox One doesn't sell because people won't buy that crap, then the developers can't make money, and will rush right back to Sony.

I don't see Sony doing it. I hope Sony doesn't do it.

[monkey nuts]

If Sony implement any DRM other than online passes then it'll be a wii u for me. i've already decided against buying an X1 even though I had hoped ms would see the light and not just projected revenue forecasts which just like weather forecasts are seldom guaranteed. I've still got my old consoles so no worries, the retro markets gona sky rocket though if sony goes the way the pubs are leaning.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Sony already confirmed not requiring an internet connection. So alllllll the developers already in love with PS4 is a lie? A charade? Publishers will go all in with one platform and live? Just cut out an entire market? Tomb Raider sold 3.5 million units new, and it wasn't profitable for Square Enix. They're going to now cut out an entire portion of those potential sales? Care to expound?

[Robtherobot2013]

@KwietStorm

The PS4 may not require an internet connection but you will need to be connected to the internet when you buy a game that has DRM. Do you think publishers like EA and Activision will put DRM on the Xbox One version and NOT on the PS4 version just because the internet is not required? The answer is NO! and if Sony said they don't support DRM then they just won't bring their games to the platform.

"Publishers will go all in with one platform and live?"

Not exactly. It will be like the way EA treats the Wii U right now. EA brings SOME games to the Wii U but most games don't come to the platform. If Sony didn't support DRM ( which they do) then Wii U and PS4 would get the same games and the major releases would only be on Xbox One and PC.

[Revolver_X_]

Rob, you are nothing short of an idiot. You think EA would skip Sony? Or Acti? M$ couldn't cut a check big enough to make up for the loses in sales. Quit being delusional. All of a sudden everyone on here is a marketing specialist. Sony already said its up to DEVELOPERS first. M$ just followed suit. Its a cop out to put blame on the publishers, WHERE IT SHOULD BE. Publishers are the reason the consoles were pressured into this. Just dont buy anything from them. Quit being sheep for once. Im skipping COD and BF4. They arent that good of games. Stupid repetitive shooters, no thx. I know fanboys will still bite, but companies look at profits in percentages. If hardcore gamers could hurt sales by 30%, the suit&ties would start sweatin. I'll speak with my wallet, I suggest everyone else do the same.

[joeorc]

it was and has been cleard up since feb!

Kotaku [via Maxconsole] had a few questions about the PlayStation 4 and its used game DRM as well as always-online functionality. Kotaku contacted Sony directly and a representative for Sony pointed Kotaku back to one of their own articles, reiterating statements made by Sony's top dog studio chief, Shuhei Yoshida, where Kotaku originally published this info back in February...

"At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that." (Emphasis added.) "

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Again, Sony has over and over again stated the A: why do you think EA was at Microsoft's May 21'st event and Not at Sony's and all DLC for COD: will be timed Exclusive! what freaking incentive would it be for Sony to do that with no first choice release of DLC?

So they can still get the DLC later? when EA will still release it for the PS4, to make more money.

Sony has already Gave the freaking A: they will not require it, they will leave it up to publisher's!

And without platforms to sell software on, your software iis useless, if you really think They would ignore Sony over Sony's Stance on DRM, than let me state, by saying we will keep this as a xboxone exclusive Microsoft would have to shell out large amounts of cash, Soft ware needs platforms just as much as hardware needs the software.

DLC first choice release on the xboxone would be all the incentive Sony would need to say, Go ahead release first on xboxone we can wait. Sony knows the investors of 3rd party Publisher's are not going to ignore the playstation. Unless its arcade, AAA exclusives.

Investment warrants as many platforms as you can get to get the most ROI. you cannot expect them to ignore platforms, Esp. Since both Nintendo and Sony are both saying "we can wait" can 3rd party publisher's do the same? i doubt it! they make software to sell, not hold onto.

[ceed911]

If people weren't so ignorant they would realize that Microsoft is doing nothing to hurt/hinder game developers.

They are only offering options for them to utilize if they choose, making it more attractive to develop for it if they can guarantee more sales - even if it might be slightly.

If Sony doesn't offer anything to combat used game sales they might lose a game now and then because the developer/publisher knows it won't be profitable.

You won't see this from major developers but possibly smaller developers who can't afford to waste time/money.

I really wish I could browse N4G without the overwhelming biased on this site. It is really going to suck for these gamers when they realize they aren't the majority and the circle-jerk of the same dozen people doesn't matter.

You are not the average consumer if you are posting on here, realize that. Because you have no bearing on who "wins" this generation, and I will say it time and time again - Microsoft is up 17.3 million sales in the largest video game market. If you are going to disagree with math that is your own choice, but from the perspective of business acumen you are going to be disappointed, because numbers don't lie.

[Fireseed]

Damn you devs! Damn you for wanting to make money off your games!

[DragonKnight]

"Damn you devs! Damn you for wanting to double dip on sales without doing anything to deserve extra profit!"

Fixed.

[MikeMyers]

What did Gamespot do to deserve extra money? Oh that's right, pushing used games as new knowing none of those proceeds actually goes back to the people who made it while gouging the consumer int he process for trade-in value.

As a console supplier you have the right to distribute the goods as you see fit. This isn't about consumer rights if they know full well beforehand the restrictions before them. Just like when you sign up for Xbox Live or Playstation Network.

What happens to DC Online Universe when you buy that disc and play it on your PS3? Are you able to sell it and the new owner gets to play it with no charge?

[DragonKnight]

"What did Gamespot do to deserve extra money? Oh that's right, pushing used games as new knowing none of those proceeds actually goes back to the people who made it while gouging the consumer int he process for trade-in value."

It's illegal to misrepresent the product in the way you describe. Here's a question for you. How could stores like Gamestop survive on selling new games while making a super high profit of $4 a copy? I'll wait for your answer to that and move on to your next part.

"As a console supplier you have the right to distribute the goods as you see fit. This isn't about consumer rights if they know full well beforehand the restrictions before them. Just like when you sign up for Xbox Live or Playstation Network."

Sorry, but consumer rights always trump EULA's. So you trying to use an EULA to say "console suppliers have every right to strip you of your rights" isn't supported by law.

"What happens to DC Online Universe when you buy that disc and play it on your PS3? Are you able to sell it and the new owner gets to play it with no charge?"

Why would I need to do that when DCUO is free to play? Geez, you need to stop sniffing at MS' back side, it's affecting your mind.

[MikeMyers]

"How could stores like Gamestop survive on selling new games while making a super high profit of $4 a copy? I'll wait for your answer to that and move on to your next part."

By either,

A) Ask for a greater share of profits which they may actually get selling new games now that the publishers don't have to battle used games as much.

B) Expand the retail space. Doesn't Best Buy and other retailers sell new games? I know some Best Buy outlets are starting to get into used games but they sold only new games for a long time.

C) Strike deals on items such as exclusive DLC.

"Sorry, but consumer rights always trump EULA's. So you trying to use an EULA to say "console suppliers have every right to strip you of your rights" isn't supported by law."

We'll see and that applies to Europe only right? What happened with Valve? I heard there was some issues where consumers thought they could sell Steam games. Can you show me where you're able to?

"Why would I need to do that when DCUO is free to play? Geez, you need to stop sniffing at MS' back side, it's affecting your mind."

It wasn't always free, please educate yourself on the subject before replying. It only became free because it flopped. Sadly this all happened when PSN was hacked and it never regained its popularity until they dropped the fee to play. That game came out on a disc and cost money when it was released. So again, tell me, what happens when you sell that copy and could the new user play for free?

[DragonKnight]

"A) Ask for a greater share of profits which they may actually get selling new games now that the publishers don't have to battle used games as much."

HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is a hilarious suggestion. Especially coming from you. When the issue is publishers demanding more money because of used games, you think the retailer's solutions is to demand more money from new games. LMFAO! And just who exactly do you think is going to have to pay for that hmmm?

"B) Expand the retail space. Doesn't Best Buy and other retailers sell new games? I know some Best Buy outlets are starting to get into used games but they sold only new games for a long time."

Best Buy isn't a game specialty store. They have supplementary revenue options that stores like Gamestop don't. Another laughable suggestion.

"C) Strike deals on items such as exclusive DLC."

That happens already, and publishers hate it because Gamestop is the one that initiated that by exerting pressure, plus Gamestop doesn't get paid for that they just have an increased chance of traffic for their stores. They'd still only be getting that $4 per copy that they can't survive on.

"We'll see and that applies to Europe only right? What happened with Valve? I heard there was some issues where consumers thought they could sell Steam games. Can you show me where you're able to?"

Nope, sorry, that applies everywhere. Remember the famous Apple jailbreaking trial where Apple tried to use an EULA in court against someone who jailbroke their iPhone because they didn't like the poor service of Apple's networking partner? Guess who the courts sided with? Hint: Wasn't Apple. Just because no one has gone to court against publishers over this stuff, doesn't mean that courts will side with publishers if someone actually did.

"It wasn't always free, please educate yourself on the subject before replying. It only became free because it flopped. Sadly this all happened when PSN was hacked and it never regained its popularity until they dropped the fee to play. That game came out on a disc and cost money when it was released. So again, tell me, what happens when you sell that copy and could the new user play for free?"

You're talking to someone who's owned the game from launch. I'm probably more educated about the game than you are. You're also arguing about an MMO title. MMO's have always been anti-consumer since their inception on PC's. Stop trying to pin that on Sony just because your argument is weak. Also, considering that the game is free to play right now, your argument is rendered completely moot. No one has to sell their disc based copy of DCUO because, again, it's free to play. There literally is no point in arguing about a game that is free to play right now simply because you love to drag the discussion into off topic history.

[MikeMyers]

DragonKnight,
"HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is a hilarious suggestion. Especially coming from you. When the issue is publishers demanding more money because of used games, you think the retailer's solutions is to demand more money from new games. LMFAO! And just who exactly do you think is going to have to pay for that hmmm?"

Obviously that went over your head. No, the retailers ask the publishers for higher margins. Which of course they can now because they will be getting a greater share of profits. If they balk, pull the games. They need the retailers to sell hardware and the games. Gamespot has a monopoly on used games for a reason. Someone will happily sell used Xbox One games.

"Best Buy isn't a game specialty store. They have supplementary revenue options that stores like Gamestop don't. Another laughable suggestion."

Of course it's laughable. Anything that offers a counter argument is laughable by the almighty DragonKnight. The gatekeeper to all known facts. What's stopping Gamestop from having supplementary revenue options as well. Attach a pool hall, who knows. The key is to adapt to change, something you seem unable to do. You also forget that Gamestop is still likely to get some revenue from used games as they will be the middlemen again.

You still did not provide info on Steam users being able to sell their content.

"You're talking to someone who's owned the game from launch. I'm probably more educated about the game than you are. You're also arguing about an MMO title. MMO's have always been anti-consumer since their inception on PC's. Stop trying to pin that on Sony just because your argument is weak. Also, considering that the game is free to play right now, your argument is rendered completely moot. No one has to sell their disc based copy of DCUO because, again, it's free to play. There literally is no point in arguing about a game that is free to play right now simply because you love to drag the discussion into off topic history."

LOLOLOL,

Talk about backpeddling. What are you, a used car salesman? That disc is supposed to be your property, to do as you wish as you say. This is your argument, not mine. Whether it became free months later is not moot, you only made it moot to support your own needs.

Checkmate pal.

[DragonKnight]

"Obviously that went over your head. No, the retailers ask the publishers for higher margins. Which of course they can now because they will be getting a greater share of profits. If they balk, pull the games. They need the retailers to sell hardware and the games."

Again, completely ridiculous suggestion. You're talking about the kind of people that are b*tching about used games suddenly being generous enough to give retailers a bigger cut of the REAL money maker in new games. Utterly ridiculous suggestion made by someone completely blind. With these DRM restrictions in place, stores like Gamestop have no power. Publishers will simply put their games in stores that they don't have to worry about used sales. Like, for example, Walmart. What better place to sell games on a casual device than the most casual supermarket in existence?

"Of course it's laughable. Anything that offers a counter argument is laughable by the almighty DragonKnight. The gatekeeper to all known facts."

Except that it's not a counter argument which is why it's laughable.

"What's stopping Gamestop from having supplementary revenue options as well."

The fact that they are called Gamestop and have built an entire business and mindshare on being a gaming specialty store. The fact that any foray they make into another area would be futile as, considering they've always been a specialty store, they would be unable to compete against other specialty stores. And honestly, what do you possibly think Gamestop could sell that has nothing to do with games in a store called Gamestop. Seriously, you don't use your brain do you?

"Attach a pool hall, who knows. The key is to adapt to change, something you seem unable to do. You also forget that Gamestop is still likely to get some revenue from used games as they will be the middlemen again."

LMFAO! Your sad suggestions are funnier than Comedy Central. And considering that Gamestop is the token scapegoat for why this DRM exists, and also that they'd probably be getting $4 on a used game sale as well if anything, don't hold your breath on publishers being nice to their main enemy.

"You still did not provide info on Steam users being able to sell their content."

Why would I when I already proved to you that EULA's are unenforceable already? I know, I know, you can't accept being so incredibly wrong. You'll learn.

"Talk about backpeddling. What are you, a used car salesman? That disc is supposed to be your property, to do as you wish as you say. This is your argument, not mine. Whether it became free months later is not moot, you only made it moot to support your own needs."

Let me ask you a question. What, if anything, is the benefit in selling a disc for a game that is free? Hmm. THE.. GAME.. IS.. FREE! There is literally no point to your argument. Selling the disc to a free game is literally pointless. You love sticking to the Past, trying to cling to some manner of hope that you'll find something you're actually right about, problem is you never were good at finding anything that's remotely relevant to the Present. You always pick the worst examples.

You can't checkmate me when you tipped over your king long ago.

[Seafort]

Erm no as DCUO is an MMO. Requires always online no matter what u do.

I'm not even sure there is a retail box for it anyway as its a digital download F2P game.

[ceed911]

Want the solution to you whining about game prices:

1. Don't buy it off release - it will end up $20 eventually.
2. Wait for a sale - most AAA titles go on sale at least $10-20 cheaper within the first three months - and that is cheaper than a used game sale.
3. Don't buy it at all.

[Revolver_X_]

Wow. Mike really just wasted bubbles. You practically offered nothing new in any comment. A broken record like most spin artists. We should csll you DJ Mike. An MMO was your great trump card? Can you name an MMO that is pay to play and the disc can be shared? Take it back to Diablo2, wont find one.

[stuna1]

There is more at stake than just that! From the look and sound of things, Microsoft wants to be the new and improved Gamestop! But the question still remains why should they be the determining factor of who gets what? And why should they share in the profit of it?

Some have truly allowed their love for the hobby of gaming blind them!

One of my favorite lines in the Matrix.

NEO you've been living in a dream world.

[safsaan]

but they are not getting any money out of it as mentioned in the release.

[stuna1]

@safsaan

So you don't think their getting anything out of the deal!? Oh I get it Microsoft just wants to do it to make the gaming community one big happy family?

From past situations I think not. Some scenarios require reading between the lines.

[Fireseed]

You really don't understand where the revenue stream from game sales go do you? Tell me, why should someone who pays for a used game which NONE of the money goes to the devs be allowed to play on the servers they host? In what way are they entitled to it?

I mean some people are such cheap skates that they actually believe saving 5$ is worth the sacrifice of a studio.

And another thing that really irks me is that we ALL know how disgustingly absurd the Gamestop used game mark up is, you sell a game for maybe 10$ and they sell it back for 55$... Why in the fuck is everyone jumping as if Gamestop is some poor defenseless good Samaritan?

[Double_O_Revan]

"Tell me, why should someone who pays for a used game which NONE of the money goes to the devs be allowed to play on the servers they host? In what way are they entitled to it? "

In what way should a person be allowed to use my old phone I sold 2nd hand, or sit on my old couch, or watch my old TV, or drive my old car, or read the books I sold, or build a computer with the parts I sold, or let their baby wear the clothes my son out grew?

Because it is MINE. I bought it. I own it. And I will do what I want to do with it.

[n to the b]

Your numbers are just obviously off. Exaggerate much?

Your logic is arguably off, too, since you're ignoring singleplayer.

EDIT: @ WinterSoldier

[DragonKnight]

"You really don't understand where the revenue stream from game sales go do you? Tell me, why should someone who pays for a used game which NONE of the money goes to the devs be allowed to play on the servers they host? In what way are they entitled to it?"

Why should devs be allowed to double dip when no other market allows it?

"I mean some people are such cheap skates that they actually believe saving 5$ is worth the sacrifice of a studio."

Hyperbole.

"And another thing that really irks me is that we ALL know how disgustingly absurd the Gamestop used game mark up is, you sell a game for maybe 10$ and they sell it back for 55$... Why in the fuck is everyone jumping as if Gamestop is some poor defenseless good Samaritan?"

You've never heard of pawn shops have you. Stop acting like it's new to buy low and sell high. So, care to explain how Gamestop is supposed to survive selling games at a whopping $4 profit per copy?

[Fireseed]

You wanna know why no other industry pushes used regulations as much as games need to? Because theirs no other revenue stream. You know why movie studios don't care if they're movies get sold used... because people are paying to see a movie THATS ALREADY BEEN IN THEATERS!

You know why the music industry could care less about used CDs? Cause most of their revenue comes from the merchandise and ticket sales of concerts.

Games only have a solid revenue from the sale of the game, and DLC. That's why you see DLC being pushed so hard now a days because the used game market gouges into the main revenue stream so deeply.

And as to the whole it's MINE argument. Welcome to the new age of digital production. I recently bought a license of Autodesk Maya, guess what? I can't resell it because it's not the physical or even digital product that were dealing with... it's the license to use and operate said software.

[mikeboccher]

agree to a point, especially with game stop markup prices. They're insane. But the cost of those people playing is minimal. when call of duty costs about 4 million to make but they sell 8 million copies at 60 bucks a pop thats 480 million, or a 476 million profit. Now, not all games make this obviously but the companies use this money to help with other games. If it was an issue, we would have heard about it long ago and not just b/c MS started this program. Devs aren't hurting for $ and aren't going away anytime soon. Plus, with MS saying they are not going to charge, who will be the first publisher to want to charge us and face the backlash, albeit temporary? Also, MS said just THEY will make people wait 30 days and only allow one friend to be lent a game. Other publishers may say F it and let us do what we are doing now. Maybe we'll get amix of all different things from diff pubs, who knows? I'm guessing not at E3 but closer to release we'll hear more about each of the main publisher's guidelines b/c people will want to know before buying.

[YNWA96]

Call of duty costs $4m to make? Advertising is free, servers a free to maintain, so everything past $4m is profit? Wow, never knew it was that easy.... Whats the problem then guys?

[Bell Boy]

Damn you consumers! Damn you for daring to believe you actually have any rights over an item you dropped $60 on new....

What next car makers decide no more used car sales, how about we arrest you for holding a garage sale....

[T2]

The worst thing is, who are all these people hating on gamestop like they are the devil? They saw a market and they jumped on the demand. If there was no supply, there would be no gamestop. If there was no gamestop, hell I would open the same store (and there's many more like it too, not just gamestop).... part of people's purchase thought process is to sell the game down the road. If I know I can't sell a game, and it's only say an 8/10 on my wish list, do you actually think I'm going to buy it? Hell no.
Same applies to anything. You bought it, you can sell it. If not, you are going to think long and hard about that purchase. And FFS, everyone just boycott Gamestop if they are the devil, don't bitch cuz they found a market and made a business out of it.
It's the same as the music industry "poor us, itunes killed us" ... BS, how about you stop releasing 1 good song on a 20 song album, go back to the time when a band spent 5 years releasing a good album. Same for developers, spend a year making a quality product, noone is going to buy rehashed Madden, COD, crap year after year without being able to sell it.

[Kevin McCallister]

@ #8

This. MS coming out with this information pretty much confirms PS4 will have some kind of similar DRM. It may not require 24 hour checks, but there will be some kind of restrictions. EA didn't get rid of online passes because they were against the practice, they did it because they had already inked tentative deals with MS/Sony in regards to DRM. I'm sure the original plans had to be revised after the initial XBone backlash, but it'll still exist. MS is getting the grief over with early and Sony would probably be wise to do so as well so it's not the entire focus come Monday night...

[Omegasyde]

Yea, but then you piss off the big publishers like EA and Activision.

No Madden/FIFA/CallofDuty/Battlef ield/somestupiddancegame = Console suicide. Look what happened to the Dreamcast.

[RememberThe357]

Not necessarily; the lack of one big game could just open the doors for an other to take it's place. Publishers can't just cut half their consumer base, but the console makers can replace content. Sony could cut deals with other publishers like Square and Take2.

Publishers aren't going to choose sides. If they choose the Xbox1 and it fails they could see massive losses. They will still make exclusive agreements, those wont go away, but a publisher as massive as EA and Acti wont risk taking a side so early no matter what the console maker does or doesn't implement.

It sounds like Sony is going to let publishers do what they want when it comes to DRM, the same way they did voice chat. This is the best way to do it as it lets us give the publisher with DRM the finger and still enjoy the other games on the system without DRM.

I guess we'll all find out in time, though.

[Bell Boy]

If gamers unite and fight this bull then guess what they will have no one to sell the damn games to...

grow some balls people, consumer is king..

No game will be that good that we should consider giving our consumer rights up for it

[T2]

you are right bell boy, the only soution is to vote with your wallet. If Sony exclusives are not DRM required, buy those. Boycott the DRM games if that's how you feel. That would send a clear message.
And Sony exclusives will NOT have DRM that's pretty much confirmed.

[Kevin McCallister]

Yup that's exactly my point. Sony will choose not to disappoint these publishers. I might have to put my PS4 money toward a new PC instead. I'll find out in just a few days. Sure, I can't sell/loan out my Steam games, but I also didn't have to pay a full $60 for any of them.

[DragonKnight]

"This. MS coming out with this information pretty much confirms PS4 will have some kind of similar DRM."

No it doesn't. Without an online requirement, any used games DRM cannot work. Sony has stated that you can play the PS4 completely offline, how will these "restrictions" be enforced then hmm?

[Kevin McCallister]

When the publishers force you to login to authenticate your game. It won't be Sony forcing you to do it, it'll be blamed on the dev/publisher. Even if I'm wrong, and trust me I'd love to be wrong on this, Sony and their fan base will suffer when third parties gravitate heavily toward the X1. This is a publishers dream to kill used games and a plan that's been in the works for years now.

[DragonKnight]

Will they? Or will the people buy the PS4 en masse because it doesn't have the draconian DRM of the X1, forcing publishers to choose between a console with a significantly lower userbase that does have that DRM, or a console with a significantly higher userbase that doesn't?

**EDIT** @below: We have to hope that there are. We have to hope that people will see through MS' B.S.

[Kevin McCallister]

I really hope that's exactly what happens. I just don't know if there are enough gamers out there that care about losing their rights to cause MS or these publishers to rethink their strategy.

[opinska]

stfu we konw it's up to the developers... Sony already said that.. so stfu

[Kevin McCallister]

^
Stfu? All the good conversations going on in this post and you come up with that?

Folks, this is what happens when your mother and father are also brother and sister.

[SpitFireAce85]

Its time for consumers to speak with their wallets...So
let companies like M$,EA know that if i pay $60 for a game
i will let my friends borrow it.If i choose to do so...just
like if i buy a $20 Bluray movie i can lend it to a friend.

[RandomDude655]

PS3 wasn't hacked/pirated for the first couple years. Software tie ratio was BELOW the 360 which was actively pirated.

Make good games and people will buy them.

[wishingW3L]

but that's different because US is the region that buys the most games in the world and the Xbox is dominating it by a margin of more than 10 million consoles over the PS3.

[alb1899]

At the end XBOX ONE will be as good as PS4 and developers will be happy with the protection that Microsoft is giving to them.

[quenomamen]

And by just as good i suppose you mean less powerful, used games restrictions, no offline playing after 24 hrs. Yea both consoles seem like theyre pretty much the same. No difference really.

[Nodoze]

Don't forget Kinect. It's camera eye watching you and your family even in complete darkness.

No thanks!

[Omar91]

Wow this is just..... chaos.... I don't even understand the whole "lending a game to a friend" situation... Please Sony stay away from this as much as possible.

[MisfitsInc]

M$ doesnt give any fraction of a damn about consumers

[stuna1]

The danm they do give is infinitismal!

[KILLERAPP]

"UPDATE: More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."

http://kotaku.com/5985874/p...

[Double_O_Revan]

That still leaves us in a similar boat.

If devs decide that Online passes aren't enough and go for Game Activation Codes, similar to PC, then nothing is changed on that end. Sure they don't require always online, and thats a big plus in my book, but used games will take a Big hit.

[animegamingnerd]

at least we have the power to boycott any publishers who do that with the xbone we have to boycott the whole system

[Fairchild Channel F]

Bingo.

There will pub's that use DRM and there will be pub's that don't. I will support the ones without DRM and the others can go pound sand.

But at the end of the day the choice will be mine.

With the XBOne that choice is completely removed.

[dcbronco]

I absolutely hate the idea of needing to re-connect every 24 hours. That would probably make me think long and hard about getting a Xbox One even though I see a lot of potential in the design, the 24 hour clock is too much.

There is one last thing that gives me pause and would bring me back in.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

In the paragraph above the second video it says "because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connect". If they are implying that an Xbox one calls home to their servers whether you have Internet or not, that would make that a non-issue for me. I have no problem with a 24 hour check-in if they will provide that connection.

It is very possible that that is the case. Many companies or cities offer free wi-fi access. If it's to use their cloud and make a call-in everyday there is no reason they wouldn't do that. Net-Zero ran an ISP for years for free. With all of the potential additional revenue streams the design of the Xbox One will provide, allowing One to call in would be much of a cost to them. Especially in areas where they will have a cable box running through the console. It could be done through an agreement with cable and ISPs.

They have to do something if they want a 24 hour check-in.

[gamertk421]

How are you not already going online every time you turn on your console? How is this such an inconvenience?

[dcbronco]

I am online the vast majority of the time. But the idea that I must have a connection to play a single player game is asking a lot. There is no need for that. The vast majority will have a connection, but there people that won't. Not from the what if my ISP is down stand point. If your ISP is that unreliable you need to switch. But just what if I don't want to pay for Internet to save a little while. I go a couple of months without my games? That's asking a lot. They need to add Wi-max or something to put the onus on them. I understand the cloud advantage, but still. It should be up to them to provide a connection every 24. At least 30 days would have been more fair. Or allow some kind of cellphone hookup that sends a text signal or something.

[mmccarthy4]

I honestly think that people who buy it will realise it's not that big of a deal. I think over time more and more people will realise it and come around. I don't like all there policies and if they don't bring something to the table that sony already can do. They are gonna screw themselves over.

[mikeboccher]

you don't have to physically turn on your console. it's alwasy in low power state, like alwasys listening for you to say xbox on and turn on. that is the connection it needs. If you go away for vacation for a week it will be fine as it will cycle through its low power state to check. that is all

[Campy da Camper]

Could give a rats behind about the used game issue since I select my purchases carefully. If a game comes out from devs I like then I gladly pay 60 bucks. If my friend can't borrow it after without paying well, that's his problem Lol.

What I DO care about is fricking mr. watching me kinectspy. No way I am having a cam and mic always on in my house. I play in my underwear, nude late at night In bed and my woman is always walking around half undressed. If MS thinks I trust some shady IT guy to "protect my privacy" they are sorely mistaken.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies deny knowledge
http://www.washingtonpost.c...

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track one target or trace a whole network of associates, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.

Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”

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Microsoft – which is currently running an advertising campaign with the slogan "Your privacy is our priority" – was the first, with collection beginning in December 2007.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/w...

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CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher
http://www.wired.com/danger...
March 15, 2012

More and more personal and household devices are connecting to the internet, from your television to your car navigation systems to your light switches. CIA Director David Petraeus cannot wait to spy on you through them.

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm. “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies,” Petraeus enthused, “particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

All those new online devices are a treasure trove of data if you’re a “person of interest” to the spy community. Once upon a time, spies had to place a bug in your chandelier to hear your conversation. With the rise of the “smart home,” you’d be sending tagged, geolocated data that a spy agency can intercept in real time when you use the lighting app on your phone to adjust your living room’s ambiance.

“Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters — all connected to the next-generation internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing,” Petraeus said, “the latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing.”

Petraeus allowed that these household spy devices “change our notions of secrecy” and prompt a rethink of “our notions of identity and secrecy.” All of which is true — if convenient for a CIA director.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Lame article nothing bu hearsy no proof of developers being discourage about MS policies. Dev should be happy brecause they will make more money than gamestop.

[kingPoS]

I say vote with your wallets. Let them know who're their really serving.

The customer is always right. Or this case... they can exercise their right to not even bother with the Xbox One.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Man, the amount if denial in here is hilarous. Consumers supporting anti consumer methods..Microsoft you got yourself one help of a fanbase.

[Donnywho]

A generation of broken, patched, updated piles of unfinished rushed crap and they have to pull this Sh#t on us now? I would of liked some proof that quality games and consoles are still possible before I have the whole situation changed on me like this.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

What a convoluted system.
I honestly don't care for always online and used games (Don't get me wrong, I don't SUPPORT it, I am just indifferent because it holds no bearing with me). But what about keeping it simple?

Like with steam. Enter the redeem code, download your game, play. Done deal. If I want someone to play a game I have, I lend them my steam account log-in info. Easy-peasy. With this...well, frankly I still don't understand how exactly it works post-clarification, which is bad news for the average consumer.

[Brugal]

Sometimes I miss the days where you just pop in a game and play a la Super Nintendo.

[Ashunderfire86]

I miss those days too. Damn we now play games online, damn we pay to play online, damn we have multimedia in consoles, damn we now have drm based games that can only work online, damn we have motion control gaming, damn my system is always watching me(Government), damn they are giving us advertisements based on what we think(They read our minds lol), and damn these consoles are too difficult for a parent or a kid to understand.

Damn gaming is changing as we know it!

[hazardman]

Despite all the bullshit, im still buying one! If and when i dont have internet ill still have my PS4 to rely on. That being said tho it still sucks for those who dont have internet and want a xbone. Wii U and PS4 just gained alot more support thats for sure!

[ooquis]

JokesOnYou:::::: "but theyre not afraid to drag people kicking &screaming into the future" Cell forced developers to learn mutli-core cpu tech.....Blu-ray,forcing HD and winning the HD war. What MS is doing it's either going to work or be the end of XBOX.

[Ashunderfire86]

Hackers are going to love hacking Xbox One, just like they hacked windows and other programs. Hackers will try to break that 24 hour BS check, and that 30 day trial like feature that block the game for your friends. Microsoft is in a world of trouble, so what if Xbox One internet went out for 2 months like the PS3 internet back in 2011? I guess we can't play games for 2 months right? Microsoft is going to fail big when that happens. Don't worry Nintendo your still relevant, because PS4 and Wii U will overshadow Xbox One in sells. PS4 will be my first platform to get, while I will wait it out for Xbox One until next summer(wondering how Xbox One will do at launch) testing the waters.

[MysticStrummer]

"Hackers are going to love hacking Xbox One, just like they hacked windows and other programs. Hackers will try to break that 24 hour BS check, and that 30 day trial like feature that block the game for your friends."

XBox fans will laugh at this as if it's an impossibility, but these new policies are going to motivate a group like Anonymous. MS is asking for it.

[SpinalRemains]

For sure.

They're probably working on it as we speak.
The policies are radically obnoxious and they definitely bring out the worst in people.

[rageus]

Can games that require cloud processing work without internet connection? If not the need to connect only once a day is just an excuse for always online. Especially given that the Xbox One is underclocked.

[wishingW3L]

of-course not! lol

Cloud processing is stored in a server not on your console.

[mmccarthy4]

bingo

[Terror2k9]

First of all Microsoft has been ripping us a new one for a long time making us pay for xbox LIVE as most of us already pay 40-50 dollars a month just for a internet connection. they dipped into that and we said ohh its o.k its only 50 dollars a year for a gold membership,it increased to 60 dollars as well.Do they give you anything for free no not really,I even think they still sell horse armor from elder scrollsand to pay 5 dollars for a gears of war skin come on now. Now they want to get more $$$ from the used game market and it will cost us even more dollars to play old gaMES that people have already beat.I love to own my games and to put restrictions on our ownership is the final straw for me to say goodbye to them for good.

[despair]

Funny how they say "video game devs" but half the list are IGN people.

[Excalibur]

This might be M$'s vision of Next Gen gaming but it's not mine.
I won't have anyone dictating to me how I play the games that I buy or what I do with them afterwards and I won't have anyone forcing "options" on me that I flat out don't want or will never use.

I will not be dragged kicking and screaming I quite simply just will not participate.

[hankmoody]

I guess you won't be getting a PS4 either being that it's pretty much guaranteed they will follow suit. This whole policy with used games is something that has already been hammered out between MS, Sony, possibly Nintendo and the major publishers. Like I said a moment ago, Sony is letting MS take the punches first before they announce their plans which I can almost guarantee will be very similar.

[Excalibur]

The "I won't have anyone" part of my comment pretty much covers that.

[S2Killinit]

not so sure because I have read some articles regarding Sony's statement on DRM. They were saying that it wont have online checks but I guess the details are whats important here. At the same time I don't know how Sony can stop something like this, all developers will go to Microsoft if Sony doesn't allow them to do this. Perhaps that is why Sony is taking itself out of the equation? They are saying that "they themselves" wont require anything of the consumer. But that doesn't mean that the developer can't.

[hankmoody]

Funny how Sony hasn't announced their plans for online/ used games/ etc. It's pretty much guaranteed that they'll be doing something very similar. They're just sitting back and letting MS take the punches first.

[DFresh]

All I have to say is f*** Microsoft for screwing over the consumers again.
Now I know I'm never going to buy that piece of s*** Xbone.

Strike 1: Lame Console Reveal.
(TV! TV! TV! That's all I heard.)

Strike 2: Used Game Policy.
(FAIL.)

Strike 3: Always Online.
(Nobody's internet is perfect. Internet cuts out once in awhile, freezes, lags and what not. Not to mention not everybody in the world has an internet connection. Let alone a fast internet connection. So, M$ is alienating a large group of consumers from buying their console.)

M$ you just made me investing in PC/PS4/PS Vita that much easier.
(I can't believe I'm saying this but even Wii-U looks better then Xbox One at this point.)

[S2Killinit]

So now what happens to Sony financially if they don't follow suite? The developers are for the restrictions on consumer game ownership, they always have been hoping for something like this. I wonder if there is a way Sony can make them happy while still keeping consumer rights in tact.

[hankmoody]

My guess is they're gonna follow suit. This flat out sounds like a deal that was made behind closed doors with all parties involved. Right now Sony has everything to lose. They want to look like the good guys, which is why we haven't heard anything from them in regards to DRM. And really, why wouldn't the publishers and developers go with the system that MS is implementing? It works out better for them if anything and they're practically guaranteed a bigger piece of the pie. One thing looks certain: this may be the gen that sees the demise of Gamestop.

[S2Killinit]

You know I'm not so sure that they had a "behind the scenes" "price fixing" style agreement, otherwise the two companies would have to come out at the same time in support of one another and that is not the case. It's more likely that the two companies have held talks with developers and reached their own decisions. As of right now we know (pretty much) that Sony is not going to require Online checks every 24hr which actually has interesting implications. What was said was that they are not going to enforce the Online check but that they will leave the publishers to do what they want with their own IP's. (I found this video very informative if you want to know the difference between the two approaches and implicaions for gamers: http://egamer.co.za/2013/06... check it out.
PS: I think you are right about gamestop

[GadgetGooch]

What happens if you are on holiday? Will someone need to go round your house everyday to connect the xbox one to the internet? I love what microsoft do and to be honest it wnt matter to me that much as i always buy brand new and never lend games lol the only thing thats bothering me is the fact of what if you cant be at home everyday to switch the console on? This will get more people to buy broadband at home anyways so its a good thing, It's 2013 who dosent have broadband at home nowadays who is not in a wild tribe in the amazon rain Forrest.

[Blakhaze999]

If this is the future of gaming then the future sucks ass!! Everyone wins except the gamer/customer. We lose. Its a damn shame!!!

If Sony does this as well then its fu@k them too!!! I'll take up another hobby.

[hankmoody]

Not even you believe that. We both know that once they start showing you the games that are coming out, you'll start foaming at the mouth. Look at Deep Down for the love of God. Now, I HAVE to get a PS4!

[Blakhaze999]

Not me buddy. You can keep your realistic dragons if your trying to screw me over. Which is what I think they are doing to people with such policies. Greed is real. And this is Greed trust me. They are looking for and finding ways to maximize profit. Not on my dime!! And its not just DRM policies that have me disgusted with Microsoft. Its across the board.
1. Wont work without Kinect
2. Must have broadband internet to play ANY GAME. Even if the game is a single player game which is straight up DUMB!
3. TV first Game console second approach
4. DRM policies

To me this is shitting in the face of the Gamers. If Sony does the same i wont consider myself a gamer anymore which is sad because ive been a gamer since the NES days

[Astargatis]

Reactions will be like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DivineAssault]

You cant force consumers into all these changes at once.. If it were only the DRM, fine.. It sucks n all but its only one restriction & a hurdle that everyone will have to deal with from both M$ & Sony.. But all these restrictions at one time is just stupid! Im sure they couldve thought of a better way to do all this but im assuming the money hungry CEOs dont care to think of a better solution to the problem.. Just saying "F$@& all of you" without internet & the ppl without cable/satellite boxes dont get to use most of this things features.. Ya M$, lets see how this all works out for you because i WILL NOT support this abomination of a video game console..

I have supported M$ just as much as sony since the beginning but i will not give them a damn cent for this.. Paying for xbox live, paying for tv services, paying for broadband services, paying for kinect (since its packaged w every system), etc.. No thanks..

[S2Killinit]

Here are a few excerpts I found to be very clarifying:

Microsoft: “Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games. “
What this means is that if the used game market is to continue on the Xbox One it will be completely at the discretion of the publishers. While Microsoft isn’t taking any money from the used game market, it is enabling publishers to tighten the noose as much or as little as they want.
Selling used items to other people has been around for a very long time, but thanks to always-on DRM Microsoft has found a way to circumvent the pesky fact that the license to play a game has always transferred along with the physical media the game is printed on. This essentially renders all of your game disks worthless as soon as you tie it to your account.
In other words, the difference with Sony (in this regard) is likely to be that Sony will not have the always on DRM, or the 24hr online check as they have stated before.

In regards to "lending games" the article has this to say:
Microsoft: “Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”
Basically Microsoft is finding a way to shoehorn in a “lending” system that may not even be “lending” as we know it. The word “give” has a stronger connotation and it isn’t exactly clear if “giving” the game to a friend means you can get it back from them or if you’ve permanently transferred that game to them.
In other words your not so much "lending" than "selling" the game unless of course you want to "give" it for free.
Just thought I should share this.

[badkolo]

what hurdle, you people are amusing, you install the game and thats it, play it anywere, whats the dam issue, you want to trade it in, you can, you want to give it away you can, they are trying to protect themselves from piracy and i agree they should, they are even letting oyu share the game and all your games with 10 other people , thats amazing, grow up people, so what it needs to check you in, and???? stops you from playing thegame 2 times at once whioch you cant do now. jesus you people are dense

you cant trade in your psn game, steam, games , times are changing, get with it people

[S2Killinit]

http://www.vgu.tv/2013/06/0...
read this.
You are loosing your right to ownership of the games you buy.

[badkolo]

you cant give the game via xbl to more then one person and the person you choose to give it too on your list needs to be at least 30 days old, this is a new feature we never had before.

this isnt about giving your disc to someone, that person doesnt need to be a friend for 30 days.

they are talking about sharing your games via the system, a totaly new feature which is cool.

again whats the issue.

they are putting a noose around pirates plain and simple. you guys make it seem harder then it is, i blame ms for telling us slowly but over all i dont see a issue.

[iliimaster]

this is how i view it if the ps3 and xbox360 did this with all these restrictions/requirements i would of not got a console day one or year 1, i would wait till i can go and buy a fully modded console and like this next one ill wait till it can be modded and broken down then ill buy and it will be modded sooner or later

[hankmoody]

And the vicious circle continues to go round and round. Don't you see that all the modding and piracy is the reason this is even being done in the first place?

[Godlovesgamers]

Well its obvious that if this sort of tyrannical implementation of consumer rights is successful, who stands to gain the most from it? Devs!

Devs and publishers are the one's pushing this agenda and it couldn't be more obvious from how they're commenting on it and defending it.

Take a stand, speak with your money.

[KaMaHKaZiE]

I blame all the stupid assholes that pirated games.

On another note half the people on the list are IGN employees.

[STGuy1040]

Piracy is one of the reasons the 'stay connected' and 'must sign in every 24 hours' features are present in the new Xbox One. There's also the fact of our society living on the internet. This isn't true for some people where high-speed internet is either too expensive, unavailable in their area or too unstable to be used on Xbox One.

While I agree that Microsoft dragged us all 'kicking and screaming' into 2002 as XBL switched to broadband, what isn't being addressed here are the number of hardcore gamers who have supported Microsoft since day one who will not, or cannot, use these features for all the reasons stated in this thread.

Some of Xbox One's features do raise some serious concerns such as the system becoming a DVD player if you don't sign in. Will the system, games and user account be frozen if this happens? Will there be some kind of 'fee' to unlock everything if it happens too often? And what happens if someone decides to take a vacation?

Does this mean while on vacation (hypothetically) the user will have to constantly use a smartphone app to log into their Xbox One account every 24hrs so they don't come home to a $400-$500 BluRay player? Microsoft has left too many gray areas for the consumer to fill in; it's making Xbox One look less attractive as a 'console' even though Microsoft hasn't once said it was one.

[Arietos]

Don't let piracy mod your brain. Buy original games. If your mom isn't able to pay the games, then be quiet and suffer in silence about it, ok? Thanks.

[XxFaTalCryzxX]

I have always been and will continue to support Sony, when I purchase the PS4. This new XBOX One seems to have to many restrictions, complicated rules, etc. For those who purchase that system, MS should also include a manual, for what you can and cannot do with it! That's what I am loving from Sony, PS4, a simple, powerful gaming console with no membership fees! As long as there are no negative surprises from Sony at E3, this new system should do awesome!

[jjb1981]

I can't wait too turn my tv on through Xbox one on day 1 and say "Xbox, eat sh*t"

[1nsomniac]

I've bought every console available in the UK since the 1980's... yes including all Nintendo & Sega machines including the Sega Saturn which cost £500 at launch which didn't even include cables nevermind games, the Dreamcast, even the Atari Jaguar.

I wont be buying the XBone, that's all that needs to be said!

..and that says a lot!

[Brazz]

I see two possibilities:

1> sony and microsoft are doing "the game" of publishers, each in their own way. In the end both will have measures favorable to producers, and that hurt consumer ...
A sad future for gamers...

2> Microsoft is trying to strike a blow at sony trying to please the producers and get exclusive games for the xbox. MS is the case, wishing to make the Sony be isolated, similar to the case of Nintendo ...
This possibility is a very risky bet microsoft, and I doubt that will give good results, because the Xbox would be entirely in the hands of the publishers ...
This second option will undoubtedly generate a monstrous damage to one of the two ...
If this is the case, i hope Sony gets the upperhand.

[GAMExxOVER]

I will be skipping this console all together. I have always been an xbox fan, never cared for PS3. But if I do get a console it will not be the new xbox. I think I will stick to PC for now.

[Soldierone]

They are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. You punish legit users, then those legit users will buy even less, and guess what? Your numbers still stay the same, if not decline.

This could turn into something serious like another downward spiral of the industry.... maybe not a complete crash, but it can be bad.

[just-joe]

Pirate will always find way around these things. The only people this hurts are law biding gamers.

[isyourhouseonfire]

Good job to Microsoft. Being transparent and providing all of the facts is what we need in this industry.

[kewlkat007]

If this somehow prevents pirated of games then I doubt publishers and devs will complain in the long run. I do know, there is a lot of pirated games on the 360, imagine how much money has been lost...Maybe Sony will take their own stand, maybe they wont and the Ps4 becomes a pirate haven..who knows...we will know more next week.