Bethesda asks for fan input for Fallout 4, considering co-op

As gamers are hoping to see “Fallout 4” announced during this year’s E3 event, it looks like Bethesda is getting closer to confirming the game’s existence. Moderators from the developer’s official “Fallout” forum asked fans for their suggestions on what they want to see in the series’ next installment. This is the first time that Bethesda has recognized that there will be a new “Fallout” game, and are now asking players to give their input after asking for suggestions through the following statement, "Discuss items you'd like to see in a future game, gameplay tweaks, quest ideas, things you hope are not in the next game and so on. If you want to discuss major issues, use a separate topic - such as the discussion about adding multi-player or co-op play."

Judging from the information the developers are requesting to have discussed, it appears that there is the possibility that some form of co-op gameplay is possible for “Fallout 4.”

[yesmynameissumo]

I'd prefer they concentrate on ensuring the game works, before considering adding more features.

[Evildoomnerd]

As much as I loved both fallout games, it seemed like New Vegas had twice the bugs/glitches that FO3 had. Makes you wonder what the QA testers where doing before the game went gold.

[gamertk421]

My guess is QA was finding bugs left and right, but only focused on the game breaking ones, and even then couldn't get to them all. The size of the world, the inventory system, the AI: that is a lot to get through. Hopefully a new engine will do away with many issues...

[SilentNegotiator]

Plus Fallout is a single player experience. If they bend it around co-op, so much will be lost.

[mistajeff]

QA was scrapped for New Vegas by Bethesda because the ship date was moved up. After New Vegas, Obsidian created their own QA department. Bethesda doesn't seem to be one of the most supportive publishers out there..

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[NukaCola]

I thought this one will have massive cities that are futuristic and cyperpunkish rather than retro wasteland. I hope for a huge world with a variety of things to do.

Just make sure the game works.

[Campy da Camper]

The glitches of Bethesda games are a staple. What needs to go is the game freezing up every 45 minutes.

Who doesn't like NPCs with spinning heads?

[Blacklash93]

Sadly, that's tough to do. New features that major need to be considered in the planning stages of development cycle.

[Mr_Nuts]

Thats true...so if they are going to announce it this year then surely the game is already well into the development stage.

I don't know why they would want to do this anyway I remember them saying for Skyrim the reason they didn't do it is because it would take them so long to add it that the single player would suffer. Why do people not get that.

[Tetsujin]

I want an option in Co-op where your friends can't harm NPC's, the most interaction is limited buy/sell/trading; or at least separate co op from single player modes. I can already tell there would be some troll friends finding it funny to kill certain NPCs for main/side quests.

Edit: I'd also like to add "if" there is a co op option make it open region with other players; I'm sick of friends overseas play the same games I do however due to region locking on the servers we can't ever play together; yet every time I offer to play something here in the US it's always CoD and/or some other FPS/3rd person shooter.

Since it's most likely next-gen I also hope their QA does a much better job at finding glitches/bugs because I'm sick of always buying Bethesda games and I'm one of the lucky ones to find some sort of game-breaking issue that never gets patched.

[Campy da Camper]

I could see it where you roam the world together doing coop specific side quests. Sort of a red dead type. As for doing the main story, I'd drive a human partner nuts. I spend hours doing inventory and basically play like Im Sam Fisher. Snipe snipe fatman!

[Mr_Nuts]

Exactly can you imagine what the bugs would be like for co-op alone. They would spend too much time after release and during the development focusing on the co-op, which is NOT easily as done as people like to think, that single player lovers who play those games because of the fantastic single player it offers will feel like they have be screwed over.

Co-op DOES NOT belong in Bethesda games like Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Want co-op go play something else.

[uncharted56]

I can see how how Skyrim and Fallout had trouble on the consoles because of the limited size of the memory. The game worked but I think might had been a little too ambitious for last gen. But then that does not explain why it didn't worked on pc that well. I think it was just a bad console port. I can also tell that they coded these games awfully because they took more resources then they should had. Hopefully with the next gen hardware they will be able to make better games and code it efficiently this time around.

[titletownrelo]

Skyrim should've had co-op. THe ability to play with a friend on adventures and missions would've been epic.

[T2]

I disagree because the game could be the same but optional friend drop in would just be an additional feature ... Fun to chat with friend while exploring OR go solo is win win

[ltachiUchiha]

That would be awesome but damn co-op for a long azz game like fallout? I racked up 50+ hours easy with fallout 3 & new vegas & thats with just sticking to the main quests & is harder that way. Hope it works, would be cool. The computer AI especially my dog in both fallout games always get killed lol. Atleast if we got friends to play as them or another human, they will be smart about it instead of going head first into each battle lol.

[Shadonic]

The addition of a friends you can play with always makes the game better.

[ltachiUchiha]

Definitely im not against it one bit, its just fallout games are really long. Maybe im just over thinking it because im so use to playing it by myself but i agree co-op would be great.

[Wintersun616]

No, it does not. It would absolutely destroy the mood of Fallout if someone else was there fooling around. I didn't even use the companions in any of the Fallout games, it just seems so wrong to have a supermutant following you and killing everything for you.

If there is some kind of co-op in Fallout 4, I really hope it will be a separate mode from the real deal. Or a system where your friend or a stranger can join you but you have the option to keep everyone off your game too if you want to.

[ps3_pwns]

no i don't want coop. leave that to gta 5 or other similiar open world games. fallout needs to be single player because otherwise they will try and make it into an online always game.

i play fallout to be in a secluded and lonely world to scavenge for items and loot and sneak around and pick locks and read computer logs and such. not at any point did i want a real life friend with me. even the computer ai friend companion i didnt really want but they give you extra storage space. id actually the computer ai companion to be far weaker so his attacks barely have an effect damage wise and be more of a specialist in giving you certain perks and ammos/tactics

[Lord_Sloth]

@Wintersun

Player 2 would be along for the ride in Player 1's world, just like in Fable. None of the decisions are theirs. If you don't want co-op, fine. Make it an optional feature so that people can still play a solid, solo experience as they're used to, but many of us enjoy sharing the journey.

[dgonza40]

Like dead space 3, right?

[Shadonic]

This is my opinion I would love to travel around with a companion being controlled by one of my dearest friends while we travel across skyrim or in Fallout and most of the people who disliked this post would enjoy that as well but there really just looking at the addition of something that YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE.

[GuyThatPlaysGames]

Nobody said you gotta play the whole game co-op. Just have it to where anyone of your friends can join you at any time. Alot of the battles would have been more fun and easier with an extra buddy to help you out.

[xXBlondieVanHarlowXx]

^^ This.

As long as the option to play F4's single player is still there, then I am all for an extra feature that allows a buddy to be there with me. I remember that one mining site in NV (the one full of Deathclaws), after i miraculously killed them all I thought, this would have been alot more fun with a buddy x)

How would dying work though?

[Shadonic]

EXACTLY its like whenever you mention multiplayer in a form that would not affect the story whatsoever they fans just destroy the thing not even giving it a chance. From the way i see it people are mostly thinking of this from a story wise perspective when it doesn't need to be, your friend can just be a sort of companion in your world and when he joins he takes control. You don't have to shoehorn anything in. The only issues would probably be missions but that can always be adjusted to play out in different ways but with game development there can be countless errors.

[Jovanian]

fallout is a game meant to be experienced by yourself imo

don't shoehorn co-op into this

[Roccetarius]

I can just imagine double the bugs and glitches, if do they add this to the game.

What i do hate about this generation, is that devs added more players to games that were fantastic to begin with.

The result wasn't exactly fantastic.

[warewolfSS]

Sorry I ment to agree!!

[Typical-Guy]

Most of their games are buggy as one player, what would happen while online and with another player...?!

[Drabent]

CO OP HELL YES YES YES!!!!!

[rytlok]

no no no please no co op terrible terrible idea

[Snookies12]

They should focus on the quality of single player first. Once they've ensured that, I'm definitely all for adding in co-op. I'd absolutely love to start a fresh game with a buddy and go all the way through together.

[xXBlondieVanHarlowXx]

@disagrees

Woah @_@ I guess people don't want Bethesda to "focus on the quality of single player first".

[Snookies12]

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself lol! I guess I must have said something wrong somewhere in there... Not sure what part though. XD

[Lubu]

How will VATS work in coop, I wonder.

[cr33ping_death]

I dont know but it would be awesome watching body parts fly off at a faster rate.... My bro and I love the Fallout series so some co op would be a welcomed addition.... At least for me

[C-Thunder]

I'd like multiple stories. They could factor race into the game and depending on the one you choose, it would place you with an entirely separate main quest. NPCs would treat you differently, etc... Coop would be cool, but I don't know exactly how they could get it to work, unless you choose the person you're cooping with and all of that is done separately from your sp game.

[Mr_Nuts]

Please god no...it's one of the few good, long single player games left.

Why do people keep thinking playing with a friend will be good on these games, clearly you miss the whole point on playing through your games yourself....if you don't like that then obviously these games aren't for you.

[GodGinrai]

I played fallout 3 plus DLC to the end..it was long...it was lonely at times! lol..

Dont you think it would be cool to do some of those quest/ roam the wasteland with freinds?

Even the boring side quests would be fun in cop op..or maybe thats just me :)

[Mr_Nuts]

No I wouldn't, I like the games that you play by yourself.

In the Elder Scrolls, you the chosen lone hero to save the world, going off into dungeons and fighting monsters by yourself. If you want some help you NPCs for that.

Fallout is about exploring the destroyed world which has turned many areas into harsh, dangerous wastelands alone, eg. "The Lone Wanderer". Again there are NPCs if you want them.

People think it's such an easy task for them to add co-op but obviously don't know the amount of work that goes into in. This would make Bethesda spend far too long on it and the single player would suffer.

They should just let mods do it for PC if people want co-op that much and people wonder why single player games are dying.

(sigh)

[GodGinrai]

CO op would be great in an open world RPG 2-4 players would be about right. Maybe co op could work like it did in fable 2, where the host is the main character and the co op partner is a bit like a "merc for hire". But that "Merc for hire" could be customized and levelled up just like normal...This would allow the devs to skip having to shoehorn them into the story.

I know Skyrim would have been even more fun if my freinds could have controlled my companion characters instead of the computer!

[Heisenburger]

I love V.a.t.s.

As long as it's only improved upon and not taken away, do what you want.

Maybe using the v.a.t.s. system in co-op turns it momentarily into sort of a turn based thing.

Where my friend uses V.a.t.s. pausing the game. At that time I also have the option to turn mine on and select my target. Say, he targets the right arm and I target the left leg.
After we both select our shot they play our moves.

That wouldn't annoy me because I like seeing my friend get a good kill in other games, though I could see that annoying other people.

But then again I've wanted a turn based rpg to be co-op for a long time. It seems like it would be perfect. Why not have one of those people that you go on this world saving quest with be somebody you actully care about?

[spartansniper78]

what if when the host go in to V.a.t.s and the second players time just slows down

[Brucis]

I'm in the 'Focus on making sure the game runs well before you add co-op' camp.

I'm not against co-op, but I'd rather have a bug-free singleplayer game than a buggy singleplayer and co-op one. Then there's the whole thing of 'How would it work?' With VATS stopping time while you pick a target I can imagine how obnoxious it would be for 2 people trying to kill monsters constantly being frozen while the other guy shoots. You could always not use VATS(I usually don't), but it's something that has to be considered. Then there's the fact that on PC people could just give themselves shit through commands, join a co-op game and then ruin their world (either by giving them overpowered shit right away and destroying the difficulty or by killing NPCs). That's not to mention what happens when one person wants to go explore a cave and the other just wants to sell some loot at the nearby city. Is the other person forcibly yanked where ever the hosts pleases or does the joinee have some sort of freedom? Things like this need to be thought about.

[Neko_Mega]

Offline coop and online coop.

Besides that, make sure the game runs well. No repeats of past Fallout games, I like my games to have less game breaking bugs (I don't me bugs like to get at max money or exp).

I enjoy all the Fallout games, but I hate how buggy they are and sometimes each update seems to make something worst.

[cr33ping_death]

Loved Fallout 3...got the platinum on that sucker, passed fallout new vegas... Enjoyed both but man.... THOSE GLITCHES!! other than that awesome. Cant wait for Fallout 4. So just make the game as glitchless ( is that a word?) as possible and i think many of us would be happy

[RiPPn]

NO!!! Single player games should not waste time with pointless multiplayer that will not get played!!! Please no no no!!

[Summons75]

A color Palette that ISN'T brown please. That was a HUGE turn off of Fallout 3, everything was brown, bland and boring causing a distraction and uninterested from the excellent gameplay. UMmmm also a better story too. Coop online and local ONLY if it is drop in/ drop out and no missions require a coop partner. I want the single player experience to be untouched basically but have the option for the times that I want to play with someone (which is less than 1% of the time)

[EazyC]

This is essentially the first time FO 4 has actually been officially confirmed, which is pretty news worthy in itself. Rejoice!

[Klonopin]

Bigger world, more polish and don't change any of the gameplay elements. Besides that, there's not a whole lot more room for improvement. Fallout 3 and New Vegas are awesome games.

[ajax17]

Co-op would be neat. Playing split-screen as a companion. It'd be better if you could choose a class like in Skyrim. I want to be a ghoul!

[Klonopin]

Fallout is played solo. If you want co-op play Borderlands.

[Zeniix]

Please no co-op.

[UNGR]

Well since it's Fallout fix the shooting mechanics. I'm sorry but when the means of combat is as bad as Fallout 3/New Vegas it's painful to play. Go back to the original Fallout style, or improve the mechanics so it feels like an FPS with heavy RPG elements. You have the story's, DLC, characters, and RPG stuff down every single time, why is the combat never interesting? VATS was just a means to and end. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET RID OF CAZADORS!

[jensen86]

i love single player because i like to wander and explore n its a good feeling to fink ur the strongest person out there n the wastelands but that's were co op n multiplayer would make a great game as long as they don't compromise the single player campaign

[humleren]

Co-op is a really retarded idea for Fallout. It's all about the lonesome wandering through the Wasteland, so co-op would totally ruin that..... and much would be lost in the way of story-telling. But really, the only thing i wish for specifically in a new fallout game is less bugs..... all Bethesda games have been an absolute technical horror show since forever.......

[spartansniper78]

i love the idea of co-op in fallout

[EustassKidd]

How can you guys say co-op would be bad? Do you know how much funner it would make a game like skyrim? Where the world is so huge that sometimes it gets boring just doing everything by yourself, just look at minecraft, you can accomplish so much with having friends being in your world, and yes we have faggots with tiny dicks, but they can also add host options so that you can remove certain options your friends/randoms can do. A system like this, were it engages adventure with you friends only makes it more worthwhile.

[Jack0fSpad3s]

I believe co-op would be great... Sort of like a Dayz type style where you need to survive, or a saints row like style but with more friends available