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James writes - "We’ve reached that time again where get to find out which games in the Xbox Game Pass library are soon to be leaving us. Do you want to know exactly which ones will be gone from the subscription at the end of June 2018?"
£7.99 a month (or £4 a month with the recent half price 6 Month deals that stack) ... and you wouldn’t want to support it because 3 titles that have been on it for an age are removed and new titles added ... leaving well over 100 games on?
Okay.
I hate the idea of Gamepass (because it promotes mediocre 1st party games), but obviously games are going to go in and out. Does anybody even care about these 3 games?
I subscribe to it, and its a bargain. And Fallout 4 NEW is 15 at most places in the US unless you wanna buy it used. But you also get 99 other games that you can browse through and check out. I have played a number of games on it. Just because YOU dont find value with it doesnt mean it doesnt hold value. Fallout 4, State of Decay 2, Division, Elders Scroll, Gears of War 4, is worth the 9.99 price tag.
Are you going to cancel your Netflix subscription too? This isn’t really news at all
I keep seeing these gaming services (Game Pass, PS Now, etc.) compared to Netflix, but games are consumed differently than movies and shows.
Apples and oranges. Movies you watch; games you play. Movies are exactly the same every time through. Worthwhile games vary with your participation each time through. There are very few movies I want to keep around forever (and I get those outside of Netflix). Most good games, I want to keep. The last thing I ever want to hear from a gaming service is that they're taking away some of my games.
If you like the game after playing it on GamePass, uhh, maybe BUY IT? And at a discount even. It leaving GamePass is not the end of it's existence.
Game Pass and Netflix are not comparable. The similarity is they are subscription services.
It would be nice if the MS exclusive stayed on Gamepass, sort of like the Netflix originals.
But I kind of see the point you were trying to make.
@bluefox755:
Though, they make as many stinkers as good content.
Then again, Netflix makes it's own content where by contrast MS is far more dependent on 3rd party.
@mrmikew2018 I think that is the idea going forward Microsoft IPS will stay in it once in it. I'm not aware of any coming out of it so far but I maybe wrong?
yes, i cancelled netflix. it sucks compared to a few years ago. their originals are mostly crap and the rest is gone missing
@bluefox755
Netflix took years to roll out great content. I guess you weren’t born during the DVD- barebones streaming catalogue era.
@Cobra951
There are a lot of great games I would not replay either due to the tremendous investment they require and lack of time or that I completed to such an extent it is unnecessary to replay. Now certain games are so magical I have to replay them. It’s the same for certain movies too.
I could watch Bladerunner 2049 and Avengers Infinity War million times. I could play Halo CE and FF8 Panzer Dragoon over and over again.
Games and movies aren’t so different. I think a proper analogy is Mcintosh vs Honey Crisp Apples.
because like they said at the beginning that games will rotate out and new ones will come in? There will be new games announced close to the end of the month (or after like Fallout 4 etc that got announced at E3)
Microsoft has their biggest fanboys shelling out $179.87 a year for xbox live + xbox game pass, and at the end of the generation, they won't have anything to show for it. All those games will be gone. $179.87 x a console generation of 6 years = $1,079.22, and you won't own anything at the end. No thanks!
Unless you have a serious hoarding problem, chances are, you've thrown something away or got rid of something you bought. So, if you were going to lose that stuff - not own it anymore, why did you buy it in the first place?
You think after 6 years and $1080 you would have nothing to show for it, but you were at least entertained playing games provided to you by GamePass those otherwise boring 6 years. And $1080, over the course of 6 years, having access to 100s of video games, some on day-1 of release is really cheap for a gamer.
uhm since game pass wont disappear at the end of the gen and Next Xbox will be backwards compatible you're not losing anything.
Most games will stay there. And exclusives are confirmed to stay there forever.
you say all games will be gone as if they're not going to add new ones.
@Zeref ok, stop paying for the game pass and see if you have access to all those games forever.
@ImGumbyDammit, no it seems you understand my point....which is when you buy a game, you own it until you decide to sell it. Even with digital games, you can potentially get screwed. In 10+ years when the servers to download the games no longer exist, then what? How do you play the game you paid for? You will only be able to play it if you have a physical copy. Anyway, basically all I am saying is you are paying all that money and at the end of the day, you own nothing. Whereas if you spent that same amount of money on physical games, at the end of the console cycle or 10+ years down the line, you will still have those games. That is all I am saying. And I agree that paying for online via psn or xbox live is a farce, something that microsoft made acceptable last gen, and that we now all accept. It is silly to me that on my pc, I have access to that same xbox live infrastructure for free. You would think that would piss off anyone with an xbox, but it doesn't. When microsoft decided to offer their first party games on pc, it eliminated any need I had for my xbox one, and I sold it. In the long run, it is saving me that xbox live subscription fee, and I can play with my few friends that are the xbox holdouts if the opportunity arose.
@Kun_ADR I never said it was mandatory. This article is about the removal of certain games on game pass though, so that is what I am talking about.
I go out and spend $56 on a steak, eat it in 30-45min, and all I have to show for it goes down my toilet.
I could be mad, I could spend less, or I could just ENJOY it during that time understand what I am doing and making my own decisions.
There is no denying that this i a lot better than ps now!! Ans i have both consoles
Opinion. What's your opinion on Netflix or Redbox or PSNOW while you're at it?
Netflix is great for their produced content, ok for tv shows, worst for movies. Amazon ok for movies ok for their shows
The games are supposed to be used as a trial so you can buy it if you love it. If not you should expect it to be taken off
I look at is as a game rental service, because that's basically what it is. You get to sample tons of games. And if there is any game you REALLY want to hold on to, you can buy it at a discount. What is the problem with that?
I assume you also refuse to pay for services such as Amazon Prime and Netflix? Rotating content on subscription services is common practice and is likely based on stats that Microsoft utilise highlighting number of downloads or something similar.
I subscribe to this service, the price per month is minimal for most people who have some sort of income and with the recent (ish) announcement that first party will be avaliable day one (yes some wait but with recent studio acquisitions/creation will increase first party roster).
The service is a steal, even if you just play 1 full priced game every 3-4 months the service is saving you money.
me and a friend game share it and recently got the half price codes so it's only going to cost me £2 a month for the next 2 years. and I get sea of thieves, state of decay 2, crackdown 3, forza horizon 4, gears of war 5, ashen and the many many other games so any body who tries to tell me that isn't outstanding value for money clearly has an agenda
This is something inherent of any service that offers third-party content. It was agreed between Microsoft and third-party publishers that a particular game would be part of the Xbox Game Pass for a certain period of time (One year at least). Eventually this period of time runs out and said game has to be withdrawn until a contract renewal.
Just to illustrate:
Next month, DiRT Rally, Dead Rising 3, Limbo, Ultratron, Metal Slug XX, So Many Me and Pharaonic will reach the end of theirs contract time and therefore may be withdrawn from the Game Pass (again, this depends on the willingness of Microsoft and third-party publishers to renew the agreement).
Yeah I guess it would just be nice to be able to play those later. Now I cant. Didnt think this was exactly netflix. I get why it has to be but I stopped using Netflix for the same reason.
What!? That’s so lame i thought this was like a vault you’d be able to play any game in there as long as you’re a member and they’d continually build up the library... not cool, man... so you might as well buy these games if you want to always have them.
Agree with the "lame" and "not cool" parts. I've known about this downside all along, which is one reason I stayed away. Another is that I hate the idea of games as a service. I want to continue owning my games, as I always have.
Do you know much about GamePass Cobra? There is nothing stopping you from owning the games (forever), even after they are withdrawn. You also get a discount on said game.
On a side note, what does "games as a service" mean exactly? That you get whole games for a monthly cost? Or that you continually pass for the right to play a game, that they upgrade over time? I don't know....
@cobra
i also like owning my games. but i've bought games and regretted it. so considering that stores like blockbuster that rented games are no more for me. and the cost of gamepass is about what a rental of a new game would cost me for a week or two. it's good to treat game pass like a rental. you can sub for one month and try out a game before you purchase it, especially new first party games. and if you actually beat the game and don't think you'll play it again you saved a bunch of money. if you play the game and turn out you don't like it, you didn't have to buy it to find out so potentially saved yourself money there too. most likely for me, i'll want to play the new halo 6 campaign when it comes out but will not want to drop 80 dollars (canadian) on a new game. so i'll prob sub for the month and play the campaign. then when the game prices drops as it eventually will i will pick it up to keep in my library and return to.
Yeah canceled my sub. I thought I was given access to these games but if the can just pull them then I’m out. I don’t care about the legal stuff figure it out
Same. Every forum where game pass is pitched has it as the best thing in the history of gaming.
Not once until now have I heard games leave the service.
“so you might as well buy these games if you want to always have them.”
Well isn’t that the point? Gamepass is a rental service so why would you expect to own any of the games?
The mind boggles buddy how gamers can't grasp it's simply a rental system. It really is not rocket science haha. Game pass and ps now is a good option for gamers on a small budget who can only buy 3 or 4 games a year.
Most of the game pass and ps now games can be bought for under £5/$5/5€ from any used games shop. These services are like a rental service more than anything imo.
I pay £12.99 a month for "boomerang rentals" UK based for renting any game I want. I buy the exclusives then rent games I'm not sure on tbh, works a treat for me.
Lost count now on how much I've saved from not buying shit games at full price.
@Unreal01
He said PHEW. Implying he didn't care about those specific titles. Not Xbox games in general.
@BiggerBoss-
Unless he wanted to get an Xbox... then he would have a reason, right?
Rocket Science!
@kavorklestein
I mean, if you prefer having less games, and more terrible exclusives, maybe THEN I could see you wanting an Xbox.
I have all the consoles. My comment was aimed at GamePass tho. A fantastic service. Just glad the games that got removed are not in my backlog of games to play.
Looks like for not much longer, going to start offering downloads also. But will see.
They're not really the same thing though...
When MS finally releases their streaming service that they announced at E3, THEN you can compare the two.
Quality wise PS now shits bricks on GamePass. Jrpgs, the Batman Arkham games, Bioshock trilogy, borderlands, dark souls 2, dark cloud 2, disagea collection, devil may cry collection, fallout 3, new Vegas, every god of war game, and maaaany more compelling games.
1 that I will forever own vs over 100 that are never guaranteed to stay, I don't own, and cannot access after the month without paying more money.
@phantom
Lol...you have access to over a 100 games and if you like ONE of those you can actually buy it from the service.
What exactly is the problem?
Maybe if some of you actually tried the service you would see how it works.
@gangsta
Not only that but if you decide to buy it before you cancel or it leaves GamePass... you get a discount. Sub in for the trial or right now they are running a $1 GP deal... go buy some games on the list you're interested in with a discount.
@Master
For the cost of buying Forxa horizon 4 i bought 12 months of gamepass (i bought a year on sale last week for $60)
So 100+. games for the next year for the cost of one game.’And if i chose to buy it i get a discount. People were paying more then that for the Best Buy discount and not getting anything but the discount
have you even looked at the list of games available? it is horrible. mostly crap that we all played last gen and never want to touch again. pay to rent age of booty and farming sim 15 ?
Master - there are plenty of games on the service that are quality games. I've already made my money back, technically speaking, by playing some of the games I missed out on before..
@Phantom.... bro, it's not cool to look THAT ignorant. Read up on things before you make a comment, ay? Do yourself a favor.
I would rather pay $60 for God of War, than $10 for crap like State of Decay and Sea of Thieves...
So what other forms of "renting video games" would your say are better?
Your name should be 'SuperLamer,' cause that was terrible (as was mine (;). You're not even renting the games... you don't have to return it, as you never paid for it (technically).
Except Microsoft already announced that they're coming out with their own streaming service...
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