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#PS4NoDRM #PS4USEDGAMES

There is a movement going on at NeoGAF to enlighten Sony on how gamers feel about the blocking of used games next generation and the potential DRM issues. This movement has been spurred by the recent Xbox One reveal, with Microsoft all but confirming that the Xbox One will block used games in some manner. Early reports are also leading gamers to believe that the console will have a 24 hour DRM check, though the penalties have yet to be illuminated to the press and gamers. PlayStation fans have taken to twitter in a move to discourage Sony from potentially following suit behind Microsoft.

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ltachiUchiha3988d ago

The thing that is great about sony is they will listen & if this will help them get a one up on microsoft , you can best believe they will use this to their advantage & for us gamers sake. I trust sony will do the right thing.

whoyouwit043988d ago

Keep thinking that, you Sony fans are in for a rude awakening. Geoff said it write, you people are holding Sony as the white knight, but there are already sources pointing to them blocking used games.

ZodTheRipper3988d ago (Edited 3988d ago )

After all the statements made until today, I'm rather positive than negative right now. Sony said they'll let the publishers decide & that you can use the console without an internet connection, so everything points in a direction that benefits us gamers.

GamersRulz3988d ago (Edited 3988d ago )

Just like the rude awakening MS gave you. I mean, damn, always online, no used games and pathetic system specs.

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Lets not forget, beautiful Kinect always watching and listening 24/7

TwistedMetal3987d ago

No you xbox one fanboys had a rude awakening. you all kept saying they were just rumors wait for the reveal on may 21 and bam look at what happen you guys got smacked across the mouth with a shi7 box one. sony will listen and do what is right and you will buy

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BlaqMagiq243987d ago

Show some proof that Sony is going in that direction. Oh wait there is none. I don't know how you Xbox fanboys can keep defending what's basically a cable box. Sony actually cares about gamers unlike Micro$oft.

NatureOfLogic3987d ago (Edited 3987d ago )

Why do people think that Sony has to follow in MS's footsteps? Lets not forget that MS has only had one successful console which still failed to out sale Playstation. If Sony chooses to not block used games they win by default for a number of reason. First, they win the gamers, then they win those with no internet or HDTV. EA and other third parties won't risk losing Sony and Nintendo sales just to be exclusive to Xbox One. Would be stupid for EA/big third parties to ignore Sony and Nintendo just because one console does something the others don't. They'll risk way to much trying to make a foolish statement on used games. That's why the NEED Sony in on this to be successful, not the other way around.

Why wouldn't Sony use this as a chance to have a HUGE advantage over the competition and a great chance sell more consoles.

Heisenburger3987d ago

" Geoff said it write..."

*walks away laughing*

Cha0tik3987d ago

Sounds like someone is sad that MS failed them. Can't wait to see Sony rub it in your face for this pathetic attempt to kill our buzz.

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GamersRulz3988d ago

Slightly OT, a month ago didn't MS report that " We never considered an always-online console"

What a bunch of liers!

abc12333987d ago

They're not exactly liars, they're planning on forcing a connection every 24 hours or so rather than all the time. They do have a career waiting for them in politics though...

stage883987d ago

That's why I'll never trust MS.
And that's why a MS console will never enter my house.
And that's why MS should bow out of the console business and be replaced by a more reputable company that gamers actually like.

famoussasjohn3987d ago

BlaqMagiq24- If there's no evidence, then why are people hopping on twitter making up hashtags thinking this would ever change anything? They'd listen to shareholders more than people on twitter.

joeorc3987d ago (Edited 3987d ago )

" They'd listen to shareholders more than people on twitter. "

Y yes Sony would do that listen to Investor's over the consumer, even when a hedge fund would give 2 billion extra in backing its a good thing Sony took it and jumped at the chance...Oh wait a min!

they over @ Sony said No!

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz...

And their share's on top of that fell like a rock for saying No! so that far and away say's how they choose investor's wish's over consumer's wish's.

Sony just turned down 2 billion!

whoyouwit043988d ago

You people don't even need to waist your time, Sony already stated it was up to the developers. If Microsoft blocks used game there is no way developers will allow Sony not to. especially when Sony are the one who have this patent; yet, you people think you can convince them differently. Used game may be a thing of the past, you will just have to except it. Yea, it's f@#k up, but there are more things to life.

ltachiUchiha3988d ago

Yeah but u act like thats going to happen to every game on ps4 mate. The difference is microsoft wants every game to have this including their own. Sony left it to developers & its smart because lets say a big game like assassins creed 4 decides to do this & they see a drop in sales because of it. You really think other devs will want to do that & hurt potential sales? Of course not. Thats why sony is leaving it up to devs.

ZodTheRipper3988d ago

What makes you think that Microsoft has the same influence on publishers, developers and the industry as Sony? Do you really think any of those people were pleased with the direction Microsoft is heading with it's Xbox?

NewEra73988d ago (Edited 3988d ago )

Dont bother his brain can't compute logical statements.

SexyGamerDude3988d ago (Edited 3988d ago )

"If Microsoft blocks used game there is no way developers will allow Sony not to"

So, are the developers playing favorites with Nintendo or something?
"No used games Sony and Microsoft! Oh, but it's okay for you Nintendo."

Face it. Microsoft chose this route and nobody forced them.

DeadlyAssassin3987d ago

EA said Hi.

" The publisher has definitively stated that many of its biggest 2013 games are not planned for Wii U, including Battlefield 4, Madden 25 and, most recently, FIFA 14. We've contacted EA to see if we can clear things up."
http://www.joystiq.com/2013...

amiga-man3987d ago

If Sony keep their first party titles DRM free that will do me, any 3rd party games that have any form of DRM will not see me spend a penny of my money on them.

Are you listening EA?

DeadlyAssassin3987d ago (Edited 3987d ago )

Wait I thought it was already settled that PS4 will definitely allow used games without DRM or Fee. The President already told us that, why you all panicking and sending tweets to beg if it was confirmed already? You guys don't trust Sony or something?

LightofDarkness3987d ago (Edited 3987d ago )

Well, no. They've said you can play used games on PS4, and said they have a model in place that they will give more details on later. Kind of like MS did, but they did stipulate that it will be up to publishers/developers.

I imagine they have a similar system in place that publishers can choose to avail of if they want to. Sadly, I imagine a majority of them will opt in.

They also said you can play offline, but MS are also saying that. Take everything with a pinch of salt, I trust Sony for now but they too haven't divulged much, despite subtly hinting at some similar policies.

Neither one has promised that things will be the same. No one has said you can still walk into Gamestop and trade in a game as usual and GS decide on the resale value. They've both said they have "a system in place" but only MS has unveiled the devil in those details. Both have stated and continue to state that you can play offline, but neither has said that you never need to go online even once to play games (again, MS has let some of this slip out while Sony haven't).

I'm betting on Sony to do the right thing. But I won't be surprised if they don't. Publishers and developers have had a LOT of say in how each machine was developed, and they'd be very much for this kind of thing. They would likely have put a LOT of pressure on both Sony and MS to make something like this happen, and neither one could afford to say absolutely no. The thing that gives me hope for Sony is their allowance for indies to self publish, which will win them a lot of fans in the indie development community and ensure that all that XBLA talent starts to move over to the bright side of the road.

But again, time will tell.

Hazzinho103987d ago

I really hope Sony take note of this, I was expecting to get the new Xbox and PS4, dependent on what Sony say I could be going to PC instead and giving up on consoles.

Vames3987d ago (Edited 3987d ago )

What happens when you switch to PC? Similar policy. Many PC games require a Steam account, once the game is installed and linked with Steam, you can never resell it. So in a sense, it is even worse with PC gaming.

The thing is though, PC gamers have come to accept this because games are so cheap on Steam, so it defeats the purpose for wanting to purchase someone's used game.

It has been said before by many, and I will say it again. PC gaming leads the way, Consoles follow. Then again, Console gaming DRM seems more draconian with always online.

LeRise3987d ago

Nope, PC is not Steam and Games for Windows only.
You can purchase DRM-free games if the author wants that.
You can even launch an executable file for youself, no shops needed! PC is not a fixed corporation platform, it's free for all.

And that's why I consider PC as one of my next-gen devices. What will be the second? - that's the question.

duli143987d ago

Sony sells alot of hardware in third world countries so I'm not sure they would do this.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 6h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle17h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188115h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio14h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7710h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga17h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218316h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga15h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan11h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit4h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2310h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv729h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10120h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos19h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-9h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac18h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10118h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic16h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead9h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

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Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 16h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 2h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 12h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 11h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 12h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 8h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 11h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 10h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere2d ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN2d ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 22h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 15h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 17h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 13h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger2d ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 11h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 10h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger7h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto2d ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos2d ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 23h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator2d ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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