Xbox One specs boosted by "the equivalent of three Xbox Ones" in the cloud

"There's roughly three times the resources available" to devs than what you'll find in the box alone. [OXM]

[dirigiblebill]

I want Call of Duty Dog to be cloud-rendered. When my connection cuts out, he'll disappear with a despairing yelp and Russia will conquer the world.

[NatureOfLogic]

"Xbox One specs boosted by the equivalent of three Xbox Ones in the cloud"

.......... roflmao! Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

[nrvalleytime]

"You must not blame me if I do talk to the clouds" - Henry David Thoreau

Seems rather fitting right now - I, for one, won't be doing any talking.

[theBAWSE]

Read this shite then tell me game journalism isn't a joke

Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks cloud storage is going to add processing power to hardware is an idiot.

Just saw it's official Xbox magazine LMFAOOOOOOOOO

[Why o why]

Show and Prove

Ill hold my judgement until then

[JokesOnYou]

"We're provisioning for developers for every physical Xbox One we build, we're provisioning the CPU and storage equivalent of three Xbox Ones on the cloud," he said. "We're doing that flat out so that any game developer can assume that there's roughly three times the resources immediately available to their game, so they can build bigger, persistent levels that are more inclusive for players. They can do that out of the gate."

-I'm careful not to believe anything I hear, I can't wait to hear from the DEVELOPERS to see if there is anything significant here...and if so what about offline.

[morganfell]

This is getting more imaginary by the moment. Here is a piece of reality.

The Xbone can only utilize 90% of the GPU power for 1.107TFLOPS. The PS4 GPU isn't 50% more powerful but rather 66% more powerful. This is a price you pay for the OS and switching ability.

You also only have access to 6 of the 8 cores on the CPU as again the OS eats 2 cores.

Seriously, TV just cost you a sizable chunk of rendering ability. Is it still worth it?

Now they want to counter these facts with true pie in the sky - cloud game render assistance - in order for this to work. Even though this isn't a per frame assistance it still affects every frame. Do the supporters of this idea not realize the on board memory this will swallow as well as the system resources that will be required for synchronization and integration of this stream?

The only thing more mind numbing than this MS PR campaign are the people defending this idea.

[NewMonday]

The cloud will make the 1.1 tflops GPU render at 3.3 tflops
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and you can find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

[GameNameFame]

Even Eurogamers just called this cloud thing "wishful thinking"

now its 3 times?

[BlmThug]

A lot of experts on N4G /s

[badz149]

somehow ONE is now a grid compatible device, ha?

[Saigon]

I am reading between the lines and to me they seem to be talking about storage more than anything else. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me by this line that is what they are talking about:

"We're provisioning for developers for every physical Xbox One we build, we're provisioning the CPU and storage equivalent of three Xbox Ones on the cloud"

Granted the CPU process is applied but I think that refers to reducing the load on the console that utilizes the cloud. So instead of the console CPU providing the bulk of computations it would come from the cloud storage unit. Note how I state storage unit.

So the applied resources will be available to help balance the load but based on the developers codes or resources would it be efficient. My biggest issue with this is that you still have to be technically online in order to access this additional resource.

Looks like OnLive was able to apply their resources after all but I am wondering how efficient it really would be. Mainly because your asking the system to do a lot. My question now lies wondering if the resources on the box would be tailored enough to meet the streaming demand. Also with more and more consoles that will be out there; how would it affect the server and the console if too many people are playing the same game. What's the load balance, would it affect stream. Too many questions I have to stop.

[hay]

It's more PR than anything else.
They can only "Cloudize" processing suited for parallelization, data or streaming.
I feel this is all to offer game streaming service via App-V kind of software(Gaikai Style, pun intended), not much above that.

If they plan anything more with cloud, this would require genius technology in order not to be underwhelming.
And I doubt MS is capable of doing that.

[DeadlyFire]

You know this wouldn't be a problem if they created Xbox 3 instead of Xbox 1.

[quenomamen]

Power of 3 XB1s, jeesus christ these guys are officially in orbit, rockets on full blast, screw gravity. But why stop at saying the powet of 3 XB1s ? Well they could had said power of 4 or 7 but that would be ridiculous. Lol

[darthv72]

in case anyone is interested in the topic:

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

keep in mind this was from 2010 so it is likely things have improved since then.

Im not saying its the same but it is still interesting to see there is a future for offloading processing power to 'the cloud'

[DragonKnight]

The problem with this is that every game that utilizes it will be always-online with no chance of an offline mode. Microsoft really couldn't give a damn about anyone who doesn't have the absolute best internet available.

[IcyEyes]

Lots of funny pics :D

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[loulou]

although i wouldn't normally agree with what gets wrote in this comment section by a vast majority of n4g, i would like some developer clarification on this.

@ darth, thanks for the link.

[nveenio]

So is this basically buy one Xbox, get three free? Is a Gold subscription required? It would pretty much have to be if the devs are using it. So the question is, will Microsoft even offer a non-subsidised SKU?

[dcbronco]

Processing done on the Cloud? Who do they think they are, Gaikai?

And if you lose your connection the game no longer works, right. That's what happens when you start a game in Crossfire and one of you're GPUs breaks. You can never play that game again.

People are so funny. But someone playing the long game might look at this as a little something extra provided by a Gold account. Triple the power with that $40 annual payment. I'll take that over a few free games any day.

[MysticStrummer]

"This is getting more imaginary by the moment"

Free unicorn and Cloak of Pwning for the first 100 pre-orders at GameStop.

[Kevin ButIer]

troy horse for always on crap... gtfo

4>1

[sikbeta]

So:

PS4: 1.84 tf

XO: 1.2*3 = 3.6tf

yikes!

[Masta_fro]

So exactly how much computing power will i have with my xbox One and my pitiful 1.5MB/768KB 3rd world country internet connection?

Maybe i should move, or just #dealwithit.

[Ju]

Hm, me thinks this is called a "diversion" - in every sense and way

[Rainstorm81]

Oh ....sky cake

[batbatz]

What happens when I cant access the cloud?, or if Im getting bad ping to the cloud?, what a load of rubbish,

This might be OK for the wackos in Redmond, but in reality in most of the world it will be a mess

[gamer7804]

cloud computing has been around for a while now, sure 3 in 1 is a marketing speak, but there is real world applications that prove that these computations in the cloud will increase performance at the least and at the most add more advanced lighting effects/physics etc.

[pixelsword]

"...specs boosted by "the equivalent of three Xbox Ones" in the cloud"

They have to pay three times as much to access it, too.

[MariaHelFutura]

So lets get this straight.... Microsoft couldn't get Kinect to work as advertised, they barely got the 360 to work w/o melting, they don't have Kinect 2 working Yusef was reaching in his pocket during instant switching, XBL lags, the haven't even released a game thru the cloud, they lied about Milo and they lied about Starwars Kinect. But know their gonna supply 200% more power to (say) 100 million consoles through the internet? Ok....

[theBAWSE]

All whist using 5gigs of DDR3 ram lol

3gigs of space is too much for an os

[hay]

@theBAWSE: It's the Windows kernel we are talking about here. Seems aboot right.

[DCfan]

@theBAWSE
Even Windows on PCs doesn't take 3 gigs of ram to operate lol

[hay]

@DCfan: Lol as much as you want, but that doesn't change the fact, that they have to reserve memory for the OS right away, to give solid specs to devs. Boundary isn't as blurred as on PCs.

[tuglu_pati]

All of the sudden every one in here is a developer and know what their talking about.

Truth is we dont know if this could be possible or not. One of the funny things is that probably a every one saying "what about online" have good internet.

Could someone please provide a link detailing what percentage of the world does not have internet connection and if those regions are meaningful for the gaming industry.

truth is we wont know if this cloud thing will work for sure, te games will do the talking. Remember all this things could be done through software and MS is a software company.

[kane_1371]

lmfao
You don't need to be a dev to know this stuff.
You need to have a bit of Hardware and software knowledge and everything they say turns out to be a brown colored stinky object colored green.

This is pure bullcrap since to do that not only they will need to put in very good modems inside the systems which cost a bunch but also they need to have very strong and broad servers.
Lets say servers and modems and what nots are there, do you honestly believe that everybody has a 100mb connection speed?
(I doubt even that would be good enough)

After all of that, do you even understand what these guys are saying?
For every "1" Xbox One we have "3" times of Xbox One resource delivered/fed to the system through the cloud.
with more resources and Specs they mean ram and CPU power and GPU power.
This stuff is something that isn't possible to begin with because you can't transfer hardware resources through cloud because it isn't DATA!
How hard is this to understand really?
Cloud gaming is a whole other thing and that isn't working well right now either.
What these guys are doing is simply trying to fool the American market all over again since America is the biggest market they have.

Ask yourself this question why isn't any Dev talking about this system and its power and how great the inovation is?
Why did devs talk about how good PS4 was thought on and bla bla bla?

Because they are laughing at the "reveals" and "inovations" and "Rocket Science level" stuff Microsoft is pulling out of their crap holes!
Simple!

[supremacy]

How many 360 cnsoles have sold to date? 75mill?77mill?

How many xboxlive accounts are out there thus far? 46mill?48mill?

Now thats not a perfect representation of the matter,however it does signal not everyone is buying these things to game online for one reason or another. Or simply because where they might live connections arent as good as in some places.

Fact is, this is useless without a steady and stable connection, i am sure they know this as well.

[medman]

Supremacy, you forget that in that 77 million figure there are a significant portion of sales due to the red ring of death. I've personally owned two xbox consoles, but have one account. I'm far from alone. Knock on wood, but I've not had to replace my PS3, nor have I had to send it back for repairs multiple times, unlike my 360.

[tuglu_pati]

@kane_1371

"You don't need to be a dev to know this stuff.
You need to have a bit of Hardware and software knowledge "

I stopped reading there... are u really serious?

[KrisButtar]

"Could someone please provide a link detailing what percentage of the world does not have internet connection and if those regions are meaningful for the gaming industry."

Americans without Internet 68,644,146
Japanese without Internet 26,139,352

Just with those 2 markets the amount of people without Internet is over the lifetime sales of the 360, so even though its only a 1/5 without, its still a lot of people. The data is a year old but you can get a rough idea how many are without. Even if 90% of Americans have Internet now thats still over 30 million potential sales gone immediately let alone people in areas without highspeed

Source: http://www.internetworldsta...

Edit: spelling mistake

[tuglu_pati]

@KrisButtar

thanks for the link very informative.

Now the question is of that sum of people without internet, How many can afford to buy a high end electronic. Why is the reason they dont have internet, is it because they cant afford it or is it because there is no internet in their region?

All this things come into play for this companies when deciding to go for a always connected device for instance. It's not just... oh their missing 30 million potential sales gone immediately. Maybe those 30 millions can't afford the devices.

I'm not stating any facts, I'm just giving you something to think about.

This companies do demographic, market and customer studies before taking any big decisions.

[KrisButtar]

@tuglu

"Now the question is of that sum of people without internet, How many can afford to buy a high end electronic. Why is the reason they dont have internet, is it because they cant afford it or is it because there is no internet in their region?"

You can certainly look at it that way as that's a very vaild point but you can also take a look at it another way. Out of all the Americans who use the Internet over 100 million don't have broadband because they are not subscribing. So even though the numbers earlier showed that a lot of Americans users, they may not all have it in there homes

"The US is a long way from its goal of making broadband Internet available to all 314 million Americans. In its third annual broadband progress report, the Federal Communications Commission says 19 million Americans have no option to buy fixed broadband Internet service, and an additional 100 million Americans that do live in areas where broadband is available are not subscribers."

Source:
http://arstechnica.com/busi...

Edit: spelling

[PiTCHBLaCK]

@ medman

I'm a Huge Sony fan, many on this site knows that, But After several years my PS3 did get the YLOD, Yellow Light of Death. I had a 60 GB PS3, I since replaced it with a newer model. But it did take years to get that YLOD and I researched and learning only the older models like the 60GB PS3 has a small chance of getting the YLOD.

[rainslacker]

I've do contract dev work, and I can tell you the practical application of this kind of thing is a long ways off from mainstream consumer use. I'd be surprised if we even got it next next gen.

The technology to do this sort of thing is already available actually, however it doesn't necessarily mean that it can run in real time, within the confines of a game loop which is locked at 60 loops per second(note:not FPS).

The simple introduction of lag over the net is the number one reason why this isn't practical for on demand performance increase. The internet just does not work in the way necessary to facilitate these functions.

Then there's the monetary issue involved. Do you realize how much server time and resources are going to be taken up with a major game release if it uses this technology? Imagine a game that sells 500K it's first week and has everyone playing it. That is a huge amount of server space being taken up for just one game. Performance will suffer, and overall quality will not be consistent. In theory, it's possible the game will get better long after it's release, but look like crap on day one. Is that something you think dev's are going to want? not to mention the actual cost they have to pay to use the cloud service.

Half this stuff you don't even need to be a dev to figure out.

[bicfitness]

Nothing that needs to be rendered immediately ON FRAME can be done on the cloud. You either stream an entire game from a server or only superfluous calculations that are happening totally off-screen. Resolution, textures, on-screen physics, AA, 90% of the geometry and modelling HAS to be done onscreen via a local box. And what about the bandwidth exchange in this pie-in-the-sky bullshit? Data goes from the box to the cloud then back to the box again. Are we assuming a FLAWLESS latency situation in this case? We must be.

Not even MMORPGs use any sort of efficient cloud-rendering techniques, and they've been ahead of the technological curve and working with PC infrastructure for YEARS.

What an absolute crock of shit. Is this the new moving target now? That one Xbone is really four? Are people honestly that stupid? Looking at some of these replies, the answer is, sadly, yes.

The amount of smoke and mirrors that MS are trying to cover their underspecced machine with is mind boggling. I've never seen so much deception or spin.

[medman]

Microsoft's public relations department is spinning faster than a neutron star. And they are emitting about the equivalent amount of gas, dust, and radiation. That presentation was toxic if you're a gamer.

[andibandit]

@bicfitness

I agree with you, i see very few things that can be sent to the cloud while playing a game. Only small stuff like AI Pathing, water effects, heck i cant name any others.

[jerethdagryphon]

first off http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~l...

thats a phd position for real time cloud computing... theroetical stuff.

2ndly a quick example of how cloud computing would work im im a xbone and 8 of you are cloud servers and have copyies of the games on you i can ask for answers to problems or ie finished work, im in this room whats the lighting , returns the lightmap... this works and can be done ut your basically streaming stuff its network infrastructure if someone makes a game using every scrap of ram and counts on the cloud for lighting then the person who buys it needs fast internet so johnny on the farm wont be able to play

[Ju]

This "safety-critical and mission-critical real-time applications" does not mean "realtime" in 1/60s of a second - but realtime to e.g. navigate - like sending troops and crap. Looks like a weaponized cloud to me - or civil for a traffic guiding system or what not.

But what that sure doesn't mean is low latency feedback within the requirements of a video game where 33ms can make a significant difference when controlling NPCs - and that is already with a pessimisic assumption we are satisfied with a 30fps game.

[Prcko]

hahahahah

[fr0sty]

this is a bunch of crap. First of all, in order for the cloud to be useful to the system, it has to be able to transfer data to and from the system for processing fast enough to not create any latency. Your system is only as powerful as it's slowest component, and if half of your calculation is taking place over the internet, you're dealing with anywhere from a 20ms to 100ms delay on each command. That is an eternity in game processing terms. Not only that, but you're limited in bandwidth as well.

You hear people talking about how XBone's ddr3 has slow bandwidth... that's 68gbps, or about 34 times faster than the fastest fiber optic home internet connection in the world (2gbps, currently in japan).

Their claims of 3x more power from the cloud are downright ridiculous.

[MRMagoo123]

well said , there are ppl on here thinking you have to design the system your self to know this is all pure BS , i work in a pc shop fixing pcs for a living and i know for a fact this is all hot air and turd.

[rainslacker]

This kind of thing wouldn't be pushing mission necessary processing. It would be for background stuff that the processors don't need to complete the game loop. It's asynchronous, and the processor could theoretically save time by not actually having to calculate everything with a particular loop(Physics, AI, Etc), or things that are off screen, or events that need to be processed early but aren't ready to be used yet.

In this way, yes, it could theoretically be used to increase a game's performance. 3X is a stretch though, because if you have that much background stuff going on, then it would make me wonder how sloppy your code is. Not to mention the memory restrictions to store that data after it's processed just waiting for it to be used.

Graphical improvements are unlikely, but there are demo's of such things already, but real time noticeable improvements take a tremendous amount of processing power, and isn't practical for a mass produced and played game.

It's interesting stuff in theory, but far off from practical implementation on a large scale.

[marinelife9]

LOL is that Microsoft's math to get to four?

[buynit]

Lol

I saw that..

[indysurfn]

Earth to Microsoft, Sony tried the Could marketing lie back in 2005! Your late! remember? they got busted, then switch over to saying it will find the cure for cancer, then switch over to saying it was soooooo powerfull they need to keep it out of the hands of Iraq, and Iran so they will not make weapons of mass distruction! Did you think we all would forgot that? I know, you knew Sony could not say anything, because they would, in effect be calling themselves back out. But I will do it for us gamers......BULL! Even if it was possible to do all the AI, and and NPC computing it would not be 3 times. Plus like the man said if it really was possible every time my internet slowed down, or my wife did a search on our computer my graphics would calm down to looking like crap! And to help the system at all, you would need to have internet connection CONSTANTLY, once again putting a big whole in your every 24 hours lie! ......
BAM!....I just called you a lier three times!

ops my bad blacktric you already covered this LOL! And better!

[speedninja]

the ingame lag is going to be terrible my game has to use my internet connection to process the game properly. What a lot of BS.

[totalwar]

Omfg perfect

[liquidhalos]

To use the best quote out of super troopers.

"Ill believe this when my shit turns purple and smells of rainbow sherbet"

[creized1]

Good luck with that

[Blacktric]

I remember reading a magazine article about how PS3 was going to use cloud technology to boost its overall power through the internet by connecting to the other idle PS3's. This "article" is equally stupid and I read the PS3 one back in 2004 for God's sake. OXM really is in full damage control mode lately.

[dirigiblebill]

Are you talking about folding@home on PS3? Because that was a huge, huge success if I remember correctly.

[Blacktric]

Absolutely not about that. This rumor was solely about power of individual systems. They claimed that every idle PS3 that was connected to the internet was going to "lend" their power to the ones that are working, which was going to enable the PS3 to make even more complex calculations than it's normally capable of. Think of it as selfish and a reverse folding@home.

[Elit3Nick]

There are big differences between what you see there and what you saw here.
1) That was almost a decade ago, this is now, the technology has been proven to work by on live and gaikai.
2) If that article was posted in 2004 that makes it about three years before the ps3 was actually released. In this case the xbox one is being released in about 5-6 months, plus microsoft hinted about this at the reveal.
3) Anything that doesn't make the x1 look bad is considered damage control to you guys...

[sinjonezp]

Seriously, cloud gaming was attempted and we all seen how that faired. Microsoft is selling dreams right now to ignite some kind of excitement about there system. Sony could do that with the partnership with gaikai..so I still no reason for concern
people trust in-house products, not something they do not have direct access or control of. When your Comcast go out, I guess all the shaders, graphics will fade away; similar to what black ops 2 do. If you notice in bo2 the grapics in multiplayer go in and out at random times.

[blackout]

300,000 servers is how. We will see if true or not.

[Wizziokid]

wouldn't building games with the 'cloud' in mind mean... an always-on, stable, fast internet connection? So what happens to the game if you lose internet connection? it loses content?

[BrunoM]

Shuuuuuuu don't use logic my friend people may attack you around here lol

And ya your 100% right if these would be be true you would need a always online system with good connection and speeds ..

[g4me_he4d]

Don't worry no one will attack him because there is simply no one to attack him ;)

But seriously I will not get the console because plain and simple I'm only on 15gb per month. This cloud thingy just makes it even worst.

[ginsunuva]

The things rendered in the cloud are PULLED by the users from a central server, so if you go out, your console stops pulling information.
They don't lose anything.

[B-radical]

Since MS were dumb and didn't explain anything we wont know how this will be utilized till e3 im thinking cloud will pick up optimal settings by speed of internet

[isarai]

Prove it

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

It's pretty simple really..

Microsoft is Goku
The cloud is the spirit bomb
We give them our energy (money)
They harness our money for 10 episodes
then it turns out the cloud is pretty useless after all.

Something like that.

[Gothdom]

imagine the bill of your ISP when it breaks the bandwith cap on the first week.

[Count]

My ISP doesn't cap my Internet.

[Raf1k1]

A lot of them still do and some of those who don't will still slow you down if you use what they think is too much.

[Snookies12]

Well some people have to deal with that. What are they supposed to do?

Man, my internet isn't exactly stable. So this type of thing would probably not work for me lol.

[Gothdom]

in Canada, the government enforced the CRTC to check ISPs and force almost all of them to use a cap. I have 60gb and I know only one company without one but it's limited to the area of Montreal. Also, we have a lot of areas where standard internet won't reach and people pay per use.

I'm just saying that so far, the Xbox One seemed to have been designed with USA only in mind. I heard some providers are still at 20gb max a month.

[GameSpawn]

Gothdom

The ISPs in the US aren't as rosy either. I know for a fact Comcast has caps and they are one of the major ISPs throughout the US. Personally, in my area COX is the ISP of choice, ATTUverse is the alternative and it is a joke. My ISP has bandwidth limitations, but they are so stupidly high that you would need to be abusing the hell out of your connection by downloading gigs on gigs on gigs of data every day.

All that said, bandwidth limitations aren't the primary issue of concern in the US. People seem to forget that much like the rest of the world only the major population centers have cutting edge high speed internet, especially in the FIOS range, the rest have on average 2-10Mbps (entry level $20/month service to the bigger areas) at best. The US's infrastructure is so damn large the ISPs can barely keep up with the moving technology so that EVERYONE can enjoy the highest speeds (the major reason ISPs gouge you so much on price). Smaller landmasses like Korea and Japan can quickly and cheaply (in comparison to the US) upgrade their networks to accommodate the new technology.

Hell, there are MANY rural areas in the US where high speed internet is non existent. These people are either relying on Verizon Cellular networks and the like (which is barely faster than dial-up), satellite internet (which is retarded expensive and caps you in the 100's of MEGS, yeah MEGS, per day), dial-up (yep people are still using it, albeit very few), or just no internet at all whatsoever.

So Microsoft's dream of cloud computing/gaming with the Xbox, Windows, and Office really is just a pipe dream or a luxury for those that can afford to live in the major population centers that have the infrastructure to support "the cloud".

[NateCole]

So devs are going to develop a cloud version and a offline version?.

I don't get the point of this.

Fast internet is not standard for future x1 owners.

It's like non standard HD this gen for the x360. Devs could't actually use it as standard because it was not standard.

[Godz Kastro]

People are not understanding the magnitude of this feature. In the near future CPU/GPS specs will be beyond what anything we see now as these server farms will be crunching a lot of data for the console. This has so much potential our minds can't even wrap around it yet. I can not wait for this freaking Xbox.

By the way, Sony has gaikai I and I'm sure they can at some point do something similar. The only thing is can they do it on the ps4. The Xbox one was designed from the ground up to work this way. I don't know the intricacies of adding this type of infrastructure mid cycle. We'll see... Gonna be a Greta year for gamers no matter how you slice it.

[GribbleGrunger]

... Well Gaikai can send 'ALL' of the data through the internet so sending 'SOME' of the data through goes without question. Both consoles have the same capability here, the only question is, can MS send ALL the data through?

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

They are just saying it can do cloud gaming. But ur not sure if gaikai game on ps4?

[mixelon]

CPUs/GPUs depend on speed and low latency. The cloud doesn't have those things. Having a giant number cruncher in the sky isn't going to help with that. There are a load of things it will be helpful for but you can't have your graphics partially rendered by "the cloud" for obvious logistical reasons.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Perhaps most intriguing, however, is that Xbox One gives game developers the ability to access Microsoft’s Azure cloud computing platform. That leads to a few obvious and immediate applications: All your downloaded and installed games and achievements are synced to the cloud and can be accessed and played without interruption on any Xbox One you sign in to; stable, dedicated servers for every multiplayer game rather than the notoriously fragile practice of hosting matches on one participant’s console; even multiplayer matches that can grow to 64, even 128 participants, rather than the usual limit of 16 or 32.

But other possibilities also come to mind. If developers are able to offload significant chunks of processing power to the cloud—conceivably even fundamental game mechanics like physics engines or collision-detection systems—that frees them to use local processing for even more intensive processes. In other words, the possibilities are limited only by the imaginations of thousands of game programmers. “It’s not like on day one, everyone will have figured out how to take advantage of that power,” Whitten says. “It’s just one of those stakes we’re placing.”

[NateCole]

Yes it nothing new and not really reverent from a game development point of view as devs will not be able to use it becuuse it will not be stanadrd

[Angeljuice]

It won't work like that I'm afraid, sorry to burst your bubble but even the fastest internet service in the world has too much latency to do any proper processing! It's been tried before by better people than Microsoft, this is Krazy Ken's "your toaster could give your PS3 extra power" all over again!

[DevilishSix]

Doesn't matter how much number crunching in the cloud, there are hard number latency issues no matter your internet speed. This isn't skynet.

[SignifiedSix91]

Why was blackouts comment marked for trolling? That wasn't even close to being a "troll comment".

wtf is up with this site?

[mixelon]

Lol, using this sort of thinking they can claim the X1 is infinitely powerful as the cloud can be upgraded over time.

Cloud processing is almost completely useless for the sorts of games the Xbox has seen success with so far. Massive resources that can only be loaded through an Internet connection..? None of the stuff they're saying makes much sense yet.

[Godz Kastro]

Mix, you need to read about how this tech works. Do you think all the rage over cloud in the industry as a whole is just to store data. No, server farms will be crunching numbers. When your Xbox/ps3 loads now its not consistent. It offloads data upfront then stops. These are the types of tasks servers can handle. Also, they are developing software for devs. Who knows if the Xbox one can buffer data as it comes in.

[mixelon]

It doesn't matter if it can buffer it or not.. Anything coming in through Ethernet or wifi is a billionth (made up number but you get the point) of the bandwidth of the data moving around inside the console itself.

Server farms can crunch all they like but games are dynamic and need to work immediately on the fly. There are a lot of circumstances where massive number crunching are great but not for much in mainstream gaming. If it was enabled as default the X1 would be an immediate no purchase for some huge markets too.

[Angeljuice]

OMG they're desperate, how many people will believe that BS? I'm sure they'll sucker some in, but what about when they find it impossible to do anything other than a little post processing? I'm sure they will just stall for time! What Arseholes!

[negative]

Get over it.

[DCfan]

@negative
Awwww, stop living in denial and accept that the One is a piece of casual entertainment and does not relate to gaming in anyway
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photo...

[Cam977]

They know they F-ed up and now they're desperately trying to regain some attention that is positive. This is not going well for MS at all.

[sway_z]

I am not defending this article nor XBone, since I am getting PS4 but...

This IS possible in 10 years from now. But for this cloud powered system to work, everybody will require a fibre-optic persistent internet connection running no less than 8mbps....also by this time consoles won't be required. Cloud gaming will take over, and that does not rely on dedicated hardware or spec.

>>>READ BETWEEN THE LINES, MS ARE SAYING THIS IS THEIR LAST DEDICATED GAMES CONSOLE, THEY WON'T NEED ANOTHER, NOR WILL SONY<<<

So in 10 years, maybe...but we're not ALL there yet....so don't scoff and laugh if you don't understand the science, ask questions and be informed.

[MasterCornholio]

Hmm that does sound interesting but Microsoft is acting like this is exclusive to their console when Sony can achieve the same thing using gaikai.

I really would love a system that connects to the net and allows you to play games that only a super computer could handle instantaneously. But it will be a long time before we see that.

[sandman224]

Prove it...... I think it's all talk until they show us how it will work. If its the power of 3 Xbox ones by using the cloud then Xbox one has the potential to be a beast. I still don't believe that's real until they prove it. When it comes to new consoles I've learned not to believe everything they tell you about there machine until it actually happens. Lets remember Microsoft/Sony is in it to make money. And in order to make sales they will tell you the world about there console to catch your interest. We will see what the cloud can do at E3.

[ltachiUchiha]

The problem with all this potential to get more juice out of the system is your 1st party team better be very talented to bring the best out of the hardware & microsoft may have the manpower but they dont seem to push as hard as other 1st party studios do when trying to get the most out of your system. Microsoft has alot of talented devs that can create great games but microsoft doesnt seem to give them enough freedom to expand their knowledge into bring new & more creative games to the table. One good example is rare. They arent the same team anymore ever since microsoft brought them onboard because instead of letting them be free to create games they can do very well, microsoft has them working on kinect projects that they prolly arent really interested in but what can they do when their boss forces it upon them to work on projects they may not even want to work on? Only time will tell but microsoft needs to cut their 1st party studios slack & let them work on something they want to make.

[Metfanant]

Believe it when I see it...there is no way this is going to work the way MS wants us to believe.

The devs can't use these resources unless they plan on having different experiences for those that have crap internet...and what happens to my games when I experience lag?

[bub16]

isnt cloud gaming just video streaming. like gaikai and onlive?

so my laptop could play xboxone games if thats the case...

[ExCest]

True but the article says the xbox1 is "boosted" and in my interpretation, it's only extra power on top of the xbox1 so that it can compute and process more with less power (but with more internets).

And who the devil asked "Hey, is my tv going to be powerful enough?"?................ .*sigh*

[Godz Kastro]

Not entirely. The cloud can do many things. One of which is handle some of the processes for the Xbox leaving room the console itself to handle operations that need real time attention.

In a few years we will be blown away. Mark my words, some company will really get this and come along with an experience and presentation unlike we ever seen or imagined.

[PrinceOfAnger]

so if its cloud gaming like onlive why buying xb1?

[Supermax]

There's a reason Microsoft is going from 15000 servers to 300000 that big money in infrastructure.

[Godz Kastro]

My point exactly. You think they added all those servers so you can have a bigger friends list. Heck no... This is a super powered version of Onlive but instead of running the entire game far way and then streaming it. It will run processes for your system allowing the local Xbox to do other things.

[Jek_Porkins]

Yeah, the Cloud is a big part, but every single game on Xbox Live for Xbox One will be on dedicated servers.

[grassyknoll]

Welcome to PC gaming in 2002. Most games used dedicated servers. What the hell are you pay for Live for if not servers?

[grassyknoll]

It needs them to monitor you through Kinect.

[vigilante_man]

Never been a fan of conspiracy theories but years from now we may look back at this massive cloud and always on camera as the beginning of something else.

Not even Google Earth could possibly get this close to us!

".. I always feel like somebodies watching me, can't get no privacy. Whoa" - from the great American prophet Rockwell.

[Nicaragua]

Wow - that's some mighty fine bullshit

[Jek_Porkins]

It's sort of something we might see in the future, as we've already heard some developers talk about how the Xbox One can become more powerful over time, so I think it's clear that Microsoft expects the internet to get better over the next 3-5 years, which is very possible.

[Hicken]

We heard about how Microsoft has some catching up to do. The title took things out of context and was purely for hits... but I thought you actually read articles.

[Godz Kastro]

Internet is going to get better. I work for a small telecom company that offers 1gb connections to our customers. Google fiber is pushing boundaries. Remember the us is not the world leaders in Internet speeds. Knowing the tech savvy companies in the good ol u s of a we will be there sooner than later. Shoot, I get 32 down and 12 up and only pay like $50 a month.

[tuglu_pati]

I dont know why you are getting disagrees. I also get 35 download and 12 upload for $50 dollars also.

[saggysack79]

cant sony do the same if they want?

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Yeah.But they won't because it's a stupid idea.Latency would never be stable enough.

[Studio-YaMi]

That's True .. for now at least !

[Studio-YaMi]

Sure they could,they already have Gaikai,but if they do,I won't be buying consoles anymore since the internet in my country SUCKS !

OR !

Maybe by the time this becomes standard,internet will become much better with greater speeds,I can only hope ?

[HeavenlySnipes]

Its an interesting concept but will devs take their time trying to utilize it? They could theoretically ask to do the same thing with Sony but its such a waste of time trying to offset functions to the cloud while at the same time make everything look seamless and not have major popin issues or the game suddenly going from average to great graphically once the player stands around for 30 seconds waiting for the cloud to send data to the console

[sourav93]

If true, the only proof required that it's not a good idea is onlive. Yes, onlive does stream games, and they're at 60fps as well. But as someone with a pretty fast internet connection (60Mbps), I can say that the quality is not always stable. The resolution drops, compression artifacts start appearing; just so that gameplay remains constant. If people want that, why bother buying the Xbox One? Just get Onlive. People buy consoles for dedicated games you can play anywhere and anytime, and you're not limited by how fast your internet is (single player at least).

[Loki86]

Streaming and cloud computing are not even close to the same thing.

[IBleedXbox]

WTF the cloud shit is basically always online.

[Loki86]

Gaikai is strictly a cloud streaming service that operates by allowing little bits of information through hundreds of server. Windows Azure works in two ways. The first pertaining to allow data through to allow use of programs like VM servers. The second however to off put data from thousands of servers to give essentially a power boost to a single unit, this is done practically instantly.

[OniXRuleZ]

Kids or Fanboys don't get who CLOUD works, then they call it Fake..... Sony is doing it too or will star talking about very soon! but you guy's are just hating.... you want to kill Xbox just beacause is Microsoft ! to me DAY 1 for Xbox One and PS 4! I am a Fanboy... but for games and not Consoles... Sorry for my inglish! Love Portugal....

[saggysack79]

they have only come out with this because of the 50% more raw power in the ps4,you hear that 50 percent yummy,none of this fluffy cloud shit

[fudgenasty21]

oh right like im going to believe something from the official xbox propaganda mag. show us proof or fuck off

[RandomDude655]

"Don't worry our system is underpowered. We have this magical cloud that will do everything for you."

[gnothe1]

Could this be similar to what sony was doing with the PS3 but on a games term....remem that folding at home where you could leave your PS3 on an they would all work together an help crunch numebers....an that was almost 7 years ago..so they very well could be doing sometginf like this. ...

[PANTHER1030]

Microsoft is sowing a lot of marijuana at Redmond, only this explains all the nonsense that they are saying, every day is worst.

How can the cloud's storage add processing power at a device?

Then, in the future you can upgrade your console with an actualization?

PS4 is 40% more powerfull than Xbox One, but this not means that could have better games. Microsoft needs to focus in the gamer, fix the always online and second hand restrictions issues and stop to making bad publicity.

All the users are complaining for the Xbox One's restrictions, not for the console's power. In fact the Xbox one's technical aspects are great.

[nise-gamer]

It is like cluster in computer world, but a most important factor is need a fast local area networks not a cloud.

cluster wiki:
The components of a cluster are usually connected to each other through fast local area networks ("LAN"), with each node (computer used as a server) running its own instance of an operating system. Computer clusters emerged as a result of convergence of a number of computing trends including the availability of low cost microprocessors, high speed networks, and software for high performance distributed computing.

Clusters are usually deployed to improve performance and availability over that of a single computer, while typically being much more cost-effective than single computers of comparable speed or availability.

[travelguy2k]

Technically Sony is already doing this through Gaikai...

[solidworm]

If this was true there would have been some huge announcement ages ago when they patented the tech. Sadly its MS suckering in the same people they have been suckering in for the last 7 years...BOTS. They desperately need some good news after the omni shambles of two days ago. The cloud is the future when consoles are no longer required and that aint any time soon.

[MechaGear]

Man, I just skip the physical box and have those two cloudy boxes to play on my notebook.

[Tatsuya]

WOW you guys are really desperate over at OXM huh

[mydyingparadiselost]

Anyone else have the feeling this will be a paid service?

[Prcko]

notz good

[dirigiblebill]

Ha ha ha ha here's a thing, none of you people have ever built a games console or large-scale cloud computing service. There's this little concept I like to call "benefit of the doubt", that it's often wise to extend when operating from a position of relative ignorance.

MS will have some games to show off at some point soon. Let's judge "cloud power" when they do, and not before.

[tuglu_pati]

Stop making so much sense... this is N4G :P

[Ninjamonkey82]

Is it like when i count sheep before i go to sleep at night?.

[imt558]

I think this only worth for a MMO games ( bigger maps, adding more players and stuff like that ). Forget about Forza 5 and boost graphics for example.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

For those that think this hog wash and dont knowt of the technology heres a link of how its done.
http://render.otoy.com/
These images are from an AMD cloud server. MS partnering with Agawi
Cloud gaming basically OTOY is supported on XBOX One Why partner with Agawi cloud service then.

[grassyknoll]

Roll up, roll up, get your snake oil!

[leogets]

I just hope for everyone's sake this could be possible. both systems could last forever if this is the case and that good for me. well I say forever but I until they find a more efficient way of storing data on like blue ray comes a thing of the past.

[Kidmyst]

Wow if that's true then you'll suck up bandwidth. Hope alot of gamers are not on a shared line in their area. That would be a lot of data then through the lines.

[TheTwelve]

I'll believe it when I see it!

[DivineAssault]

Sony has gaikai cloud computing too.. Ill believe all this when i see it happen plus it only works with a strong net connection anyway

[GraveLord]

Bunch of wishful thinking, PR bullshit.

Xbox One is weak. PS4 is powerful. That's all that really matters.

[H3ADWOUND81]

Shit storm inbound.... Lol..

[vigilante_man]

My following comment is not meant to offend the millions of loyal Xbox 360 fans. It is aimed at Microsoft.

They are not convincing anyone in the gaming community that their TVbox is a true gaming machine. What do you do when you are struggling and desperation hits? Look to the stars, sorry to the cloud, for help...

[whoyouwit04]

Look I don't under stand why when microsoft says something works in the clould its Wishful thinking and BS but when sony says that All PS4 games will run on the vita there are no questions asked. I wonder what those PS4 games will be running on when played on a system that's weaker then the PS3, could it be the cloud?

[pop-voxuli]

*facepalm* No

[NBT91]

Nope. PSP could play PS3 games too but it was via direct communication between the two or via WI-FI. Like the PS3 sent the image to the device, so the PSP just essentially became a TV screen. I imagine that, at least for a while, that is going to be the same case for Vita and 4.

MS saying they could literally render games via the internet... THAT is wishful thinking.
Not saying it is impossible but it is a bit too ambitious, at least for now.
The cloud is just another word for internet. We have only just got to a stage where a decent number of people can stream TV. But full on game rendering, processing and streaming it all at the same time?
I am no tech expert, there are people who know more about this than me but even I know that is a promise they can't possibly deliver on.

Even if it works for SOME people, it will be horrible for a ton of others. Would it throw them off of buying the console?

[whoyouwit04]

Look at what you just said: "Nope. PSP could play PS3 games too but it was via direct communication between the two or via WI-FI". you also said: "MS saying they could literally render games via the internet... THAT is wishful thinking." Last time I checked WT-FI was the internet. You and son are just putting a different twist to using the cloud.

Apparently, None of you sony fans ever used onlive. You can have a garbage PC, and still play games that your PC would not run with its built in specs from a disc, but when it is played threw the cloud: it plays it no problem. Just as long as you hved a decent internet connection. So what makes you think Microsoft can't do it.

[joefrost00]

Actually it's common now
Corporations and businesses do a lot of three computing power through the cloud
People keep saying connection speed when its really about the servers
That is what MS was trying to explain but gamers are the most narrow minded group ever
Just look it up cloud computing isn't new
Its just the first time a home console is trying it

[pop-voxuli]

Yeah, anyone in the I.T. field will tell you that the cloud does NOT work that way.

[CaulkSlap]

I must admit there is probably great potential in this for server based online gaming. And yet XBL pioneered going cheap with laggy peer to peer multiplayer. And their closed system monopoly attitude has kept out MMO type games that may actually benefit.

I've got a lot more faith in Sony's history of dedicated servers and openness to 3rd parties than Microsoft's pipe dream.

[SOULJER]

[Marketing department] OK. Listen that reveal suck @$$, but we still got this. It's not out of reach yet. I mean look. After all who were dealing with video gamer's. lol HAHAHAHAHA. RIGHT. We been fooling these idiots for years. Telling that wait to E3. Some of those dumb asses still buy that to this day. lol. Give me the old bag. YEESSSS. All we have to do is reach out to the media. Whose their buddy, their pal, their bread, and butter. THAT'S RIGHT WE ARE YEEAAAHHH. Let's grease it up people I want you lay it down real thick like. Remember these are video gamers were talking about. They are the same ones, who are still swallowing are shit about LIVE, to this very day. This is easy people. LIKE EATING CAKE.

[Loki86]

Enjoy your incoming ban, this type of trash needs to be kept off this forum. Also, 95 percent of you have no idea what cloud computing is and it's advantages. Big businesses have been using the cloud for same need so they don't have to purchase expensive blade servers and can instead continue to run their outdated machines.

[ATi_Elite]

Cloud Produced A.I. sounds very good to me. Console games seem EASY or CHEAP so having the power of the Cloud Render SMARTER A.I. would be FANTASTIC especially for large scale Real Time Strategy Games.

Also I can see the Cloud Rendering backgrounds, Random Bosses and NPC's, Cloud Rendered Destruction and or Physics seems legit.

Cloud seems great as long as there is no LAG and it doesn't ruin the game if there is MINIMAL LAG!

Great way to add Power to a console without adding Hardware.

Some of you need to learn how to think outside the BOX! The Cloud has it's uses.

[BrianC6234]

Keep living in your fairy land. You'll just be disappointed when nothing ever happens with this. It's all nonsense.

[BrianC6234]

I can't believe anyone is buying this crap. You can't make a console more powerful with some voodoo magic in the cloud. It isn't going to do a thing to help the Xbox One make better games.

[mrmarx]

they are lying about this article.. now check this out

Microsoft lying about screen sizes in iPad vs Windows 8 tablet comparison

http://www.phonearena.com/n...

[NBT91]

Hmmm calling their bluff on that one.

[cunnilumpkin]

lol @ these guys

they lie so freaking much its not even funny, in fact is should be illegal

seeing as neither console is even close to a gtx 660 ti mid spec card, I don't get what they are trying to pull

1080p @ 30 frames with current gen graphics and pc level Anti Aliasing will be pushing it for both consoles, more so for the xboxone....but still, ps4 really isn't that powerful either

the cpu and gpu are kinda meh.....

these guys will say ANYTHING to get you to buy one

remember sony before the ps3 launched

1080p
120 frames....lol....never even got close with a AAA game, gt5 was sorta kinda close with 1280x1080 or some whacked out, stretched, rectangele of a broken res, with jaggies flying all over the screen

but honestly, take every single thing said by Microsoft, sony and every developer with a giant, skeptical grain of salt

these guys with spew out nothing but lies from here until years after the things are out

expect games like bf4, the witcher 3, watch dogs, etc to be below 1080p and running at 30 frames max!

[edwineverready]

Some people are going to fall for this. sad really.

[mosasha]

does any one in here ever heard of a work station this is how it work but not localy

[BrianC6234]

I was just reading another article about this whole cloud idea and it would only be for things like some physics and other things that aren't effected by lag. It can't be used for that much really. And the developers would have to program it into the games. And we all know how much they love doing things that aren't used in other games. I don't see this idea going anywhere. It just won't be worth the amount of work.

[kingPoS]

Bane: I will crush you!! [cranks the venom/internet up]

Batman seeing an obvious weakness cuts the attached 'cable'

Bane: NOOOOO!!! My power!!!

Batman soundly defeats Bane shortly after.

LOL

[Takwin]

This has to be an April Fool's joke. This is silly season.

[Hillyhill]

Lol, this is microsoft trying to get your money again through xbl. Fire up the game..microsoft message from xbox live: please login to xbl gold account... Player logs on... Game almost starts ... Microsoft message from xbl: please login to cloud 1 xbl: player tries to login... Xbl message: please pay monthly fee for "cloud xbox 1" to play game. Ahaha they are trying to triple the cost of the supposed ownership of 3 xbox 1's with 3 through the cloud.... Ahaha i can see it now, xbl message after signing up for gold when firing up a game "please pay for all 3 gold memberships for cloud power of 3 xbox 1's" .....ahahahaahaha, f u microsoft...ps4 ftw.

[mochachino]

People keep drinking MSs Kool-Aid.

With everything they do it's "Not now, but the future potential". They sell you on hope then never deliver.

[alb1899]

You haters baby cry are killing this site with so much opinions without base or just trying to troll every peace of information about Xbox .......you will be alone sun with your play stations fans and N4G because no one will come here to read so much BS.

[cleverusername]

The power of 'The Cloud'!!

[chamber]

Not buying XBox One till these claims are sorted out, . Not trusting them cause of huge claims about Kinect, now i can hardly get even my nephews to play cause of wonky tracking, not to mention its hard to set up because of the space and the natural light spilling into my room.

I do fear that microsoft touting cloud to make up for their hardware will push developers to make even single player games online all the time which will be a deal breaker for me cause half the time i put the console connection in an area that has no Internet connection. It may work for a always online huge world like something similar to Planetsde.

Plus does this mean you need x box live gold to play those games now and how much will gold be now that the are spending for running more the 20 times the number of servers

[cyclindk]

Well... Apart from the truly ugly design, Japan might, ironically, be able to make the most use of this with their hyper-speed internet connections. Who knew Microsoft would find a way to appeal to the Japanese gaming market.

[MRMagoo123]

*ACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO* Sorry guys my BS allergy is playing up.

[Ch1d0r1]

Now i havent read the article...

But my question is... Is there any technology out there already doing what the XB1 claims it will do?

That alone would make this tale more believable.

[Akuma2K]

Lmaooo, gotta love the damage control from Microsoft.....this is funny as hell.

[totalwar]

Even if the cloud works without issues or dropping which is hard to believe due to that sixty dollars I payed every year for xbl resulting in dropped games laggy halo matches laggy mk matches etc. No internet gf urself I guess

[iNFAMOUZ1]

its ok sony fanboys dont cry, your playstation can still do 2 something tera flops hahaha, while the xbox plus cloud can exceed that amount, " and this what its like to go even further beyond the xbox's power" sony fanboys: in denial for over a decade now

I seriously can't wait to see the next halo's and the new ip's microsoft has, I dont care anymore if this site is all sony fanboys, lol, i love my own games and everyone does too, or so i hope the sheep do, i for one am very positive about the Xbox One, the reveal was obviously for hardware, and e3 is where the games will be shown, they had too many things to show, so they waited for e3, it's obvious because microsofts reveals never go that fast, it's a smart move, leave e3 for the main star: the games.

even if fanboys think its all the same i want:
Alan Wake 2
Halo 2 Remake
New Horror Ip

and i'll be happy, i know more will be shown though, ahh!! im so excited :D!!

[Metfanant]

Pot, meet kettle

[Silly gameAr]

I don't know why but this sounds so ridiculous to me. Why not just make the console itself more powerful.

[brianunfried]

Everything you need to know about Xbox One is right here, enjoy!

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

[DonFreezer]

It's funny how some ps fanboys cared about the games and cried because they thought their system had the most and best.And that the Xbox One is getting 15 core exclusives you cry about ram type memory tflops and stuff that when in the ps2era made the ps2 look lookalike an outdated p*** of s*** spec wise console didn't bother at all huh?

[Mister_G]

Maybe once we all have 100Gb fibre optic broadband this will be true. That's a way off yet though.

[mmj]

I might be impressed if your average persons internet connection was 100GB/s and I actually believed it, the only thing a cloud will help with is non-realtime rendering.

[SITH]

Where were you people when Onlive and Gaikai launched? They use cloud processing. In fact they require more cloud processing given 100% of the game is streamed to the gamer. Microsoft is not streaming a game, they are streaming processing of latency heavy processes for the game in order to alleviate the load on the Xbone. How is that not understood? Onlive works fine on today's Internet connections. Yet Microsoft is going to implement less of a load than full streamed game.

"In addition, due to data and processing power handled almost entirely from a remote machine, local devices can be barebones setups, acting really as just audio/visual access portals."
http://www.howitworksdaily....

[marcolinhoo]

wow, bold statement!
let's just pretend it's possible.
There are sooo many things that can go wrong.

For one: people with online cap will at some point get a less powerfull machines, wich is wrong.
Second: how will this be implemented? dev may create games than have to be played with or without cloud. Will they do it? Is it that easy?
Plus what if there's a lot of xbox connected.
How many power is nedeed (eg how many server and with what specs) to process X million people playing at the same moment (i guess this is a problem but may be wrong).
And if too many people playing what happens?
Based on what time is it you get better or worst version (graphics and physics wise) of the game?
What about the lag? What about online play + cloud data trasfer? What if a couple server goes down?

(disclaimer: i'm not an expert so i may miss the point entirely:); clarification are welcomed)

F..k ca't you just make a more powerful and game-oriented console? it would be easier

[MJ23007]

that's just great except now we pay more for used games fees so who gives a crap.