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Why it's not looking good for the 8th console generation

Rival Tide Contributor Richard Wood's thoughts on the three major consoles that make up the 8th console generation. Based on what has been shown so far, people are less than excited about future prospects. Wood discusses the three consoles and why none of them inspire confidence in him.

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sway_z4413d ago (Edited 4412d ago )

Oh I get it...MS messed up their reveal, now all of gaming is going to hell? ...so if it's bad for MS it's bad for everybody??

Who told you MS were the pioneers?

xamtheking4412d ago

Since Microsoft fucked up, there is a slight chance Sony might too.
Nintendo isn't big enough to fail

resi54412d ago

nintendo is huge possibly bigger than both sony and ms

MikeMyers4412d ago

That's not what the article said. It said while Sony is trying to correct issues like long load times they didn't really show anything revolutionary. It's the emperors new clothes. More of the same. They also showed a real lack of new ip's plus they too are not being fully revealing about DRM and used games.

Microsoft had a bad event and they are making used games a sticking point as well.

The Wii U is failing to get consumer interest and 3rd party support seems to be getting worse.

So yeah, if you break it down this gen could get ugly. Maybe we need another crash in the industry. Things have gotten out of control with budgets spiraling out of control with DLC and adding multiplayer to everything to pick up the tab.

pixelsword4412d ago (Edited 4412d ago )

Even if a crash isn't needed, they way Hardware and software companies are driving 160mph into a brick wall, it will happen anyways.

Forget Sony until DRM is clearly defined. I'm not giving a single thought about getting a day-one not to either console.

And that's probably why neither company's telling anyone anything: they probably want to see how oppressive the other one will be so they can make adjustments on each other's slimy tactics.

The way things are going, I'm gearing up to get my PC back into gaming shape.

I'm also rooting for the SteamBox, hopefully Valve won't be as stupid as Sony/Microsoft as to restrict something you bought with your own hard-earned money.

If Nintendo can get some big next-gen games on there, I would consider them as a secondary console, even if to expand the range of exclusive games I own. I was looking forward to ZombiU until I heard of all of the problems... Still waiting for the big one to fully convince me.

Software companies are the same way.

They are at the root of all of this.

They basically want to kill the used games market by turning a game into a controlled substance.

If they want people to keep their games, make the games WORTH keeping.

First they charge for DLC
Then they charge for other "perks"
While making buggier and buggier games
Not putting the polish into a game that would make you want to keep it, then having the gall to whine when a consumer wants to return their overcharged, under-developed, incomplete, waste of money they want to call a game.

I made a decision that I would hardly ever, if ever buy DLC for any game ever. Because of devs making such crappy games, I haven't bought a game day-one since Gears of War 1 because I have to wait until I hear news about a game being broken and if... get that, IF a developer will fix it.

And it's not just 3rd party games.

Killzone 3 has several things that people have been complaining about for months, if not years (turrets blocking bridges coming down on one stage of ops, a spot that gives someone a clean shot to someone setting a charge while making him VERY hard to shoot and there's some other things that are totally wrong too).

That's why hackers and jailbreakers are needed; for the trouble they sometimes cause, they actually preform an overall better service to the common consumer than the original corporations would.

MikeMyers4412d ago

"The way things are going, I'm gearing up to get my PC back into gaming shape.

I'm also rooting for the SteamBox, hopefully Valve won't be as stupid as Sony/Microsoft as to restrict something you bought with your own hard-earned money."

You just contradicted yourself. Steam is about DRM since you can't sell Steam games can you? I do agree that the PC platform is a better ecosystem to support. The problem is most of the marketing goes to consoles, not the PC.

pixelsword4412d ago (Edited 4412d ago )

The SteamBox is a console.

Try to keep up... Just kidding. :)

I know what you're talking about, but how they handle the console may be different than how they handle their PC-online presence.

If they do restrict their SteamBox, then it's on the outs with me; plain and simple.

There are also plenty of PC games that play like the days of old, and those are the ones I'll support if I gotta.

If we don't send them a message of our outrage, we're sending them a message of our compliance.

rainslacker4412d ago

Lack of new IP's? They announced 2 at their reveal. They also have the most new IP's coming out this year for the PS3 of all the console makers combined. I don't think lack of exclusives or new IP's is a problem with Sony.

As far as DRM, Sony said it won't require internet connection at all. Used games I can kind of agree with, however Sony's responses did lean more towards them allowing used games. The only thing troubling was they were leaving it up to publishers. If it's up to publishers then I can just avoid those publishers.

MS stating they will announce more later doesn't mean much once you let the cat out of the bag though. Just means that we don't know how they'll implement it, but we do know they will implement something.

medman4412d ago

MikeMyers is seemingly yet another individual that doesn't understand that a reveal event is not the time or place to lay all of your cards on the table. Sony's press conference was good, Microsoft's was not about gaming so I don't even rate it. We will know more about both after E3. Can't wait.

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medman4412d ago

These so-called writers make me laugh. The global economy is in a downturn and they somehow expect gaming to be immune to it? Is gaming any different than any other consumerable item that faces difficulties when the markets suffer? C'mon people. Gaming is a form of entertainment that millions of people enjoy. Downturns are a part of the system, it happens. That does not mean gaming is dying, much like it does not mean the automobile is dying when gas prices go up. People adjust their intake based on their own economic circumstances.

Cam9774412d ago

Exactly, Sony and Nintendo are fine - it's MS in danger.

ghostrider324412d ago

5th and 6th Gen >>>> your favorite Gen.

On topic, just because MS fcked up doesn't mean everything is at risk. Some journalists should be forced to play Russian Roulette.

Gaming4Ever4412d ago

PS4 is looking very strong in most aspects, and hopefully E3 will give it that extra push.

Wii U can become more desirable in a matter of weeks, (Kart, Smash, Mario 128, plus surprises). Especially now that the OS has been significantly improved.

Xbox One, however: Horrible design, fees for second hand games, no backwards compatibility, internet check required every 24 hours, no self-publishing for devs. That's a lot to reverse.

medman4412d ago (Edited 4412d ago )

You didn't mention the best part, which is the inevitable price increase for your Xbox live subscription. And more ad bombardment. You have to laugh. Or cry. You decide. Me, I've already decided. I've decided that Microsoft's insistence on reaching into my pockets to steal money while not delivering any games I want late in this console cycle is unacceptable. My PS3 gets all of my gaming time right now, and I will not be renewing my live subscription. PsPlus kicks it's ass. PS4 will be purchased day one, and unless Microsoft changes it's fee structure for live or offers more like Sony does, and delivers exclusives that are not Halo or Gears of War, Xbox one will never see the inside of my home.

Yodagamer4412d ago (Edited 4412d ago )

I called this months ago this gen, for me, will be pc, ps4, and Wii u for me. Microsoft went the route everyone knew they were going and feared they were going. indies have been attracted to all three of the above and I can't wait to see their games.

stragomccloud4412d ago

That's fine combination good sir.

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer2d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK2d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent751d 21h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM2d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif2d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer1d 21h ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin1d 21h ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Agent751d 21h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer1d 21h ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 17h ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer2d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused2d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher2d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning772d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay2d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer1d 21h ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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Nintendo Switch 2 sales shatters records, most-sold console in 24-hour period

The Nintendo Switch 2 has set a new record by selling over 3 million units within 24 hours, tripling the PlayStation 4’s previous launch day sales.

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Crazy. Switch 2 is going to do very well.

darthv7214d ago (Edited 14d ago )

No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.

The number of SW2 specific titles pales in comparison to the variety of SW1 games that get a performance boost right out of the box on this. And like the SX and PS5 before it, you can bet the majority are going to be using it as a means to better enjoy their existing titles that can benefit.

This may have been quick out of the gate... so was the WiiU. I quite enjoy it for what it is, but am keeping my expectations in check.

GenoPurpel14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The Switch 2’s price point is great and fine and it’s still cheaper than the current gen of consoles aside from the Series S.

The only place I think they will fall short is their software sales, which also in turn may affect the hardware sales but not significantly. Parents will be fine paying for the system for their kids, but one look at an $80-$90 price tag for a single video game, that is where a lot of people will draw the line. Maybe not so much the people who are in the “willing to pay because I buy deluxe editions anyway” crowd, but for parents specifically, more sacrifices are gonna need to be made in their choices of gifts for their kids.

OtterX13d ago

As a parent of 3 with a very modest income, it was very affordable bc I already had an immense library of games, and the Mario Kart bundle came out to only about €50 more than a standard bundle. Both Zeldas were upgraded w Family Expansion Pass that I already had. Many games were upgraded for free. The only additional game I bought was Fast Fusion for 14.99 which was a great purchase!

Killer2020UK13d ago

People seem to forget that the Switch was $299 at launch which in today's money is roughly $400. That makes the Switch 2 a $50 increase when inflation is taken into account compared to the original.

Yes, people have less spending power on average compared to 2017 (Switch launch year) but this is not the MASSIVE price hike that people are making out Nintendo to be doing.

raWfodog13d ago

“No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.”

It could also be many people rushing to buy to avoid any possible tariff hikes in the future, but I think it’s still a good sign that many people still want physical consoles. Congrats to Nintendo! I’m not getting one at this time though (unless I get it for a Xmas present for one of my kids).

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1Victor13d ago

Congratulations Nintendo on finding the happy medium between their weak console and their invincible handheld plus learning from Sony and clearly defining the new console from the old unlike their Wii and Wii U just add a higher number simple yet effective 👍👍

victorMaje14d ago

Are people that keen on $90 games?
Is it true some remasters will also be $90?

DankSinatra14d ago

Tell me you don't research without telling me you don't research.

victorMaje13d ago

Nope. I didn’t research, I don’t own any Nintendo consoles and I had read on here something about $90 games on switch 2, so I guess it’s good now, people can calm down. Have a nice day :)

1nsomniac14d ago

I bought the Switch 2 I won’t be buying games at MK prices. I don’t ever pay over £45 for my games. Even my Nintendo switch exclusives I never paid more than £33 for.

franwex13d ago

I think the typo you put was meant to be $80.
Anyway, the answer to those questions seem to be yes.

victorMaje13d ago

Looks like I’ve been enlightened about the amount. Happy to see it’s not $90.

Sgt_Slaughter12d ago

Don't get your news from clickbait TikTokers/YouTubers, only go to the source (Nintendo) or reliable new outlets like IGN.

No game is $90 on the Switch 2, and they will never go there. Most games will be under $80, too.

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gold_drake14d ago

cool
wasnt expecting it not to sell well

Profchaos14d ago

Its crazy that it's both the highest selling console on day 1 and people can walk into a store and buy it with no pre order

Ashunderfire8614d ago

Yup while I was waiting in line from Best Buy for Switch 2, like I did for Switch 1 back in 2017, every waiting 12am was going to get a Switch 2! I was in the no preorder line too!

My friend manage to get 4 Switch 2s at his GameStop store, that was lowkey not busy at all. Got them all for himself and his family. Super easy to get a Switch 2 over PS5.

Profchaos14d ago

The struggle to get a ps5 was real had mates wait over 2 years for stock i got lucky and got it day 1 but still

Ashunderfire8613d ago

I know and I also struggled getting a preorder for the PS5, when Walmart, Best Buy among other retailers open their preorders a day early before most of us realize it. I got my PS5 launch day thanks to YouTube Live Streamer Jake Randell. He helps people get preorders and launch consoles.

Neonridr13d ago

the PS5 also released during a global pandemic.

Ashunderfire8613d ago

It’s funny how I got disagrees for speaking the truth for what I experienced getting the Switch 2. Nintendo had more copies of Switch 2 than Sony for the PS5.

Don’t be butthurt about this very fact. People on here disagreeing with crazy reasons lol

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hiawa2314d ago

Doesn't that mean Nintendo made sure they had plenty of stock available at retail.

Profchaos14d ago

Yeah it's nice to see they prepped for it

adamwparker14d ago

Yeah, I remember reading an article over two years ago with Nintendo stating that they were going to do all that they could to make sure their next console didn't have the PS5/XBox reseller swiping /no stock fiasco happen to them.

Looks like they made sure production met demand. Refreshing to see that the reseller thing didn't trend and I hope a lot of people who bought multiple units for the sole reason to resell then at $1000 are now stuck with them.

jznrpg13d ago

It also means there isn’t a chip shortage when PS5/Xbox came out during pandemic

gold_drake14d ago

to be where fair, we had a current gen come out during covid ha

repsahj13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I remembered I tried 7 pre-order events during the PS5 launch. I gave up and ended up buying 1 from a scalper. But now, I already secured 1 pre-order Switch 2 unit in my country very easy and without problems.

Neonridr13d ago

kudos to Nintendo for ensuring a healthy amount of stock.

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Terry_B14d ago

Unlike the Switch 2 , the Playstation 4 was not sold on the same day in most regions.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198121d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK20d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts20d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK20d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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