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The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4

This week at the Game Developers Conference, Epic Games took their usual opportunity to show off the latest developments in their whiz-bang Unreal graphics technology. In addition to the shooty/demonic demos in futuristic/fantasy settings, one of the most touted features of the engine was that it can scale from next-gen consoles like the PlayStation 4 all the way to mobile devices and even web browsers. Which raises the question: If the Unreal Engine 4 is so scalable, can it run on Nintendo's still-new Wii U?

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iGAM3R-VIII4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Well that's a bomber. The Wii U has definetly been the down grader and Nintendo have to do something to step the system up, but people should of seen this coming, spec wise I do not think that the Wii U could even handle the engine

gamefiles4476d ago

Epic doesn't intend to bring the engine to Wii U, but that "if a customer decides they want to port an Unreal Engine 4 game to Wii U, they could." lol

iGAM3R-VIII4476d ago

porting an engine so a system isn't a smart thing, you could potentially damage or brick your system

Godmars2904476d ago

Broken logic is broken...

gaffyh4476d ago

It seems like what they mean is that you can port a UE4 game to the Wii U, but it will run on UE3 and may or may not be able to do everything that the game originally could do.

Still, the fact that EA also said Frostbite 3 won't work on it is almost showing how much confidence these guys have in the system, which is to say, almost none.

SilentNegotiator4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

So basically, they can just do all of the advanced programming themselves....and still have to pay for their licensing.

.....uuuhhhhh, better just use a different engine, methinks, if you're going to tackle the risky task of third party development on a Nintendo console. Even UE3.

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Muffins12234476d ago

unrealengine 3?Yea!Unreal engine 4?Hell no lol

nthstew4476d ago

Wii u may be the next gen leap for Nintendo but
when it comes to hardware its a junk. Its ram and cpu are even slower than the current gen consoles so, just stop thinking of this piece of shit and support the developer for exploiting the real capabilities of ps4,next Xbox & pc...
fan boys just deal with the fact that Nintendo betrayed u with Wii u..

showtimefolks4476d ago

So since many of us had been saying wiiu isn't next gen now even publishers and developers are saying it

Nintendo made a huge mistake, they are in the middle of this gen and next gen so they have a tough task to get 3rd party support. Wiiu should have happened in 2010 and should have been called wiiHD because this wiiu message is very confusing most casuals don't even know its its next system or just another upgrade over wii

Wii2 or wiiHD could have been better

Also I will say it again the money and R&D that went into the gamepad should have been used to improve the actual specs, rumors are MS has delayed their announcements because Sony has put so much pressure on MS to match Sony specs wise

Best of uck next time around Nintendo but its not gonna be pretty next 3-5 years for Nintendo

bayport4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

I feel like the Wii U's issue isn't its horse power. Can't recall Nintendo being a hardware front runner in a while.

I feel like it's more so the lack of awesome Nintendo exclusives at release. And the game pad doesn't have the same innovative feel that the motion controller focused Wii did of it's time.

Persistantthug4476d ago

When does the Wii U get some good news for a change?

Starfox-174476d ago

No it will get a more powerful Engine called Retro studio's WiiU GameEngine and at E3 this will squash UE4 END OF epic have seen it and know its coming that's why were getting this insecurity from them.

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gamefiles4476d ago

lol like they dont know what they are doing

NYC_Gamer4476d ago

Wii-U can't run UE4 because it's on par with PS3 and 360 hardware wise

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7uff14476d ago

It's quite more powerful, that is a fact.

@linkofrs
Of course they're porting last gen games to the Wii U, what else would they port? They're just trying to reach more people.

HammadTheBeast4476d ago

Next Gen games, like BF4, That will reach way more people.

Dgander4476d ago

Yup because 7 year old hardware with 7 year old shaders and features is on par with 2 year old hardware with shader 5.0 features. Trolling and fanboyism at its greatest here. PS3 and Xbox360 GPU has 256 VRAM while Wii U GPU has 1GB VRAM with up to date shaders. This website is infested with diehard Sony fanboys and trolls its sad.

hollabox4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Relax Dgander, why should developers waste their time porting to inferior hardware when they know their games is not going to sell? Just admit it, Nintendo made an mistake developing a new system to compete with last gen products. Wii U has more ram but slower, faster GPU but slower CPU, blu ray drive but can't play movies, the whole system doesn't make sense. If there is any confusion regarding specs blame Nintendo for not letting the public know what's under the Wii U hood.

Wii U hardware sales are decent,but its the third party software sales publishers are upset with. Here's a link to VGAchartz http://www.vgchartz.com/pla...
Most Wii U games struggle to hit 100,000 units sold with only two crossing the million sold mark. So far if your not Nintendo there's no money to made on this platform, the same thing happened to the Wii.

hollabox4476d ago

1 disagree already? Just stating facts, look at the software sales for third party developers so far. If Nintendo has sold 3.5-4.2 million units or whatever, the highest selling third party game is Zombie U! This title only sold 380,000 units or so, most third party don't even hit 100,000 units sold. No matter how you slice, you can't make money off 100,000 units sold or less for average budget games. Wii U so far is not good business for third party developers much like the Wii.

And yes Nintendo needs to release their full hardware specs. Not releasing your hardware specs only shows you have something to hide, I don't buy products from companies who don't give out details of their products, makes them look shady.

Tito084476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Devs are the ones that are saying the Wii U can't run their new tech, not PS fanboys. As it's implied, you're a Nintendo fanboy. Sorry, but you guys are not devs nor experts, neither of us. Nobody is denying the Wii U is more powerful than both PS3 & 360, but the fact is, it's not by much. Just like last gen, Gamecube was more powerful than PS2, but wasn't by much as well, Wii U is more powerful, but for the most part it's on par with current Gen.

If you want to blame anyone for not running newer tech, it's Nintendo to blame for going current gen 7 years late. But fanboys like you let Nintendo get away with anything & play it safe. The audience demographics & fanboys are what's wrong with Nintendo. And it's totally evident, if PS3/360 can't run next gen tech, obviously Wii U won't either, accept the reality partner.

Nilemonitors134476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Don't worry man, Wii u will be fine just like the dinosa...jk. On a serious note, if wii u gets a pokemon open world game it will sell crazy as fu**, I know i would buy one, gonna buy one anyways(after Ps muthaf***in' 4 btw sorry bout the lame joke, but nintendo foos wouln't shut up about the vita.

Tito084475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

@ Dgander- this is what you wrote to me on the PM before I decided to block you, you're like a buggy parasite trying to win an argument you already lost:

"If you hate the Wii U already i can tell you will hate the PS4 cause most of the features Sony showed off the Wii U can already do."

And don't deny you said that. I show this so everyone could see how insecure you are plus I never said I hate the Wii U, you just did trying twist words into my mouth, mostly everybody on N4G is telling you the same thing in regards to UE4 not on Wii U & you still don't get it? E3 is around the corner, wait til the Sony press conference & see what the PS4 can really do before you come with stupid conclusions, this shows how much of an insecure Nintendo Fanboy you are. I wouldn't be surprised if you PM me again with a different account or going to a different comment section. The more you try, the more Laughing Stock you become, insect, END OF DISCUSSION.

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SUKMELONGTIME4476d ago

Nope.... prepare to be schooled.

Wii U has the raw GPU visual horsepower of 350 Gflops

PS3 has 230 Gflops, 360 gets 240 Gflops.

Saying the PS3 and 360 are on par with Wii U, hardware wise, is like saying a VW Golf TDI (236 pound feet of torque) is on par with an Aston Martin V8 Vantage (346 pound feet of torque)

*U JUST GOT PWNED*

hollabox4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Oh wow, it took Nintendo 7 years to make a GPU just 1/3 faster. Lets talk about the CPU, according to http://wiiudaily.com/wii-u-... max flops for the Wii Clock rates seem to only be about 33 GLOPS a second.

Compared to 77 GLOPS Xbox and 224 GFLOPS (X7 SPUs) PS3. Xbox360 twice as fast, PS3 about 7 times faster based on raw performance. This like comparing a Civic (Wii U) to an McLaren F1 (PS3) and BMW 335i (Xbox 360).

*Wii didn't just get PWNED*
*U Did*

Nick_5154476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Please, stop... Do you even know what that is compared to the PS4 and whatever the 720 will be? Compared to them, it's virtually the same thing as the PS3/Xbox 360, but it's able to handle 1080p on some games. That's about it. Everything is just a tiny step above PS3/360. Sorry, but Nintendo should have known this was going to happen.

@hollabox

You have to admit that that doesn't tell the whole story, though. That comment is almost as bad as his. Sorry.

hollabox4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Meant as a joke my friend, but yeah the comparisons are about right. Any who I like what I'm seeing from Sony with the 8 GBs of ram and performance around 2 TFLOPS in the PS4. Microsoft remains to be seen, the more time passes, more they are becoming like Nintendo.

I'm sad to see Nintendo on the ropes, purchased every system up until the Wii, didn't care for the remote, and playing 480i/P games on a 60 inch plasma, yuck. I can see Nintendo rebounding with new IPs, but like always E3 comes around and we have a new Mario, new Zelda, new Mario Kart, new reboots of old franchises, and maybe Metroid other M crap-2. Nothing new, same old, same old, same actions that has been killing Sega. A new Sonic, more Sonic, Virtual Fighter, oh more Sonic, bad movie license game, and maybe an arcade port.

Any who Nintendo needs to work further with third party developers to improve their sales numbers. Have you seen this link http://www.vgchartz.com/pla...

Starfox-174475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

The UE4 Got confirmed after this article,who cares anyway power isnt measured off UE4 so not really bothered its game engines built solely for an individual console like what Retro Studio's are doing with all them ex employee's from Crytek,Virgil and Naughty dog,together with Retro i think this Engine that is built to use every ounce of power the WiiU has and built around its memory intensive design ie huge cache,bandwith ram ect,this Engine will be big news at E3 and games will be shown running on it or them.

WiiU GPGPU is a modified E6760,it supports DX11 END OF.

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GiantFriendlyCrab4476d ago

wii u GPU does not support dirext 11. And unreal engine 4 is based on directx 11, and can not be scaled down to direct x 10,1 level

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
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mcstorm4476d ago

Lol like how you get 2 disagrees.

mcstorm4476d ago

Lol I got 16 for saying that shows what dome people are likes on this site.

greenpowerz4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Nice post. Love the logic instead of the malice. You knew why it can't *vs* not wanting it to/hoping it can't/assuming it won't be able to.

Well you atleast made a great case why it would be an undesirable challenge for the devs thinking it's not worth it, and just not technical reasons either. It's going to take Nintendo a bit/while before they repair the damage done by their 1st party priority strategy. Building back up the fanbase that would be buying these games using this engine will take a while.

Next gen Nintendo will get serious or parish.

Wii u can still get a watered down version of UE4 which is more than PS3 and 360, said by the dev and based on your links.

HammadTheBeast4476d ago

Yes. But then the Wii U will not get Frostbite 3 or the REAL UE4.

Gemmol4476d ago

I do not understand your post, the first link say Nintendo GPU is a completely customized design which resembles no existing GPU on the market today, then you show another link of the 4000 series. My point is if the Wii GPU completely customized where no one know but Nintendo what it do, how do you know it do not have Direct X 11.

I am hoping no one bash me, I am just asking a question, because I read a few places that no one know what the GPU could do and all everyone is doing is assumptions

GiantFriendlyCrab4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

wii u GPU "latte" is based on R700 family of AMD GPU (Radeon HD 4000 Series). look at the right bar of the wiki page of the second link. All graphics card from Radeon HD 5000 Series supports direct x 11 and therefore they will to run support unreal engine 4 games, but it will not be ideal

hollabox4476d ago (Edited 4476d ago )

Nintendo just need to fire everybody in their hardware R&D department. What were the engineers thinking in the R&D department to pair an under power DX10 GPU with the same 10 plus year old modified CPU with slow DDR 3 ram? I like the 1 Gig for games, but seriously can't their software engineers figure out a way to run the OS on 256 MBs of ram instead of 1 Gig? Not seen anything fancy with the Wii U OS that suggest 1 GB is needed to run.

Any who from what I've seen the Wii GPU only looks DX9 level graphics, its probably DX10 but like early DX10 graphic cards none of them had the power to run DX10 graphics efficiently. Nintendo is not alone, Microsoft has been coping Nintendo as of late with smart glass, Kinect, and casual games. Going forward MS business model seem to be make money off the casual gamers at the expense of core gamers. Durango hardware does not look like the jump we saw from the first Xbox to the Xbox 360.

Starfox-174472d ago (Edited 4472d ago )

Just look at what developers that have actually developed a game say ect.

Michel ancel,WiiU is very powerful and has no limitations,even on ps3 we had fillrate issues ect.

Gearbox,Wiiu is a powerful,powerful machine,and its defo nextgen,it has much more modern architecture.

Criterion,Wiiu shown us no limitations when developing Most Wanted U.

Shinen,Wiiu has zero memory/ram limitations due to cache and controller layout ect,with a small effort we could make the code 6x as fast,this was with out optimizing and without using any additional cores ?

http://www.vg247.com/2012/1...

Here Carmack explains 720p/30fps is what nextgen will target.

http://www.develop-online.n...

WiiU gpgpu is a modified E6760 which is dx11,but uses 32MB/64MB of eDRAM for extreme bandwidth,and uses 3MB of eDRAM Cache on the cpu,which has out of order ex,and 512bit,basically IBM cpu cores in the future will all have eDRAM Cache FACT it's the future of IBM cpu cores.

Cache is very expensive memory,it costs alot more than system RAM in other words 3MB of eDRAM Cache would be more expensive than 8GB GDDR RAM end of,in other words 2GB of system ram and 3MB of eDRAM Cache is more expensive than ps4's solution and more effective,people forget this.

chukamachine4476d ago

Just cannot understand how Ninty did not go with a dx11 gpu.

It's like they knew they would not support newer engines, but instead because they are all about Mario and first party titles, they did not really care.

Don't get me wrong,

NFSMW looks really good on it, with the better textures vs PS3/360. And i'm sure it can push out some very nice looking titles.

linkofrs4476d ago

But not everything uses Direct x. Direct x is a Microsoft API. Realistically the only thing using Direct x will be the new Xbox or whatever they decide to call it. Sony and Nintendo will probably use something equivalent to it, or opengl. Direct x pretty much has nothing to do with any of this.

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Thirty3Three4476d ago

Well of course it won't. If the PS3/360 can't handle it (yes, that'd been confirmed that they cannot handle it) then the Wii U can't handle it either.

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http://www.qj.net/ps3/news/...

Freedomland4475d ago

So what!! it's not the end of the world.

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While Layoffs Hit the Industry, Nintendo Retains 98% of Staff Including 78 With Disabilities

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Jin_Sakai2d ago

Because Nintendo makes great games.

Yesyes1d 12h ago

It’s unreal that people are downvoting this when they consistently have the best scoring games on metacritic.

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rlow12d ago

Well it doesn’t surprise me. As much money as they make and how they value their employees. It’s a great company in that regard.

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drivxr2d ago

Well, when your games remain full price many years after release.

And you make profit off of outdated hardware.

I would be shocked if they couldn't afford to retain their staff.

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I didn't want to say anything but drivxr is right.

Nintendo always sells at a profit because they purposely use tech that's always 5 or more years behind. And it's also true their games hardly ever get price decreases.

Don't get me wrong, it's great they kept most of their workforce, but making a point to have your tech specs behind everyone else affords that luxury.

Darkegg1d 23h ago

I don’t think it’s their purpose to use old tech. It’s their purpose to make value of software and know their value. Nobody makes games like them that’s for sure. I just don’t appreciate their customer unfriendly policy.

It’s not impossible to take their status. Companies need to have a selection of 8-bit and 16-bit. Now imagine a split screen for 8 player game for SNES Mario kart and selling at $9.99. The problem is that it doesn’t make profit. So many companies won’t invest in “old” technology. Everyone guns for triple AAA modern technology software but honestly we can enjoy modernized 16-bit creative ideas that allows 8-player mayhem. It’s a pipe dream, possible but impossible.

Shane Kim2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

If they ended up kicking people out after all of that stated above, it would be truly shameful.

DivineHand1251d 20h ago

Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Tesla and Meta are all trillion dollar companies yet they are laying people off in large numbers.

I believe the reason Nintendo layoffs off less workers may be a result of their culture. It seems Japanese companies believe in giving their workers long term or life long employment opportunities and will exhaust all options before laying off workers. This is something we don't see much of in the west unfortunately.

Rdeal1d 14h ago

might be something to do with the fact all those companies hire more than 20x the employees than Nintendo

LoveSpuds1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

What the hell are you talking about? It has nothing to do with how profitable they are. Its completely cultural, MS and Sony make stacks of cash and still lay folks off. Nintendo chose not to lay off staff for the same reason their execs took pay cuts to increase staff pay instead; because they value their staff and view them as colleagues, and respect them as such.

If Sony weren't so US centric I fancy they'd fare better too, they should get shot of US and European leadership and go back to when Japanese execs were running the show if you ask me!

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Jin_Sakai23d ago

Crazy. Switch 2 is going to do very well.

darthv7222d ago (Edited 22d ago )

No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.

The number of SW2 specific titles pales in comparison to the variety of SW1 games that get a performance boost right out of the box on this. And like the SX and PS5 before it, you can bet the majority are going to be using it as a means to better enjoy their existing titles that can benefit.

This may have been quick out of the gate... so was the WiiU. I quite enjoy it for what it is, but am keeping my expectations in check.

GenoPurpel22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

The Switch 2’s price point is great and fine and it’s still cheaper than the current gen of consoles aside from the Series S.

The only place I think they will fall short is their software sales, which also in turn may affect the hardware sales but not significantly. Parents will be fine paying for the system for their kids, but one look at an $80-$90 price tag for a single video game, that is where a lot of people will draw the line. Maybe not so much the people who are in the “willing to pay because I buy deluxe editions anyway” crowd, but for parents specifically, more sacrifices are gonna need to be made in their choices of gifts for their kids.

OtterX22d ago

As a parent of 3 with a very modest income, it was very affordable bc I already had an immense library of games, and the Mario Kart bundle came out to only about €50 more than a standard bundle. Both Zeldas were upgraded w Family Expansion Pass that I already had. Many games were upgraded for free. The only additional game I bought was Fast Fusion for 14.99 which was a great purchase!

Killer2020UK22d ago

People seem to forget that the Switch was $299 at launch which in today's money is roughly $400. That makes the Switch 2 a $50 increase when inflation is taken into account compared to the original.

Yes, people have less spending power on average compared to 2017 (Switch launch year) but this is not the MASSIVE price hike that people are making out Nintendo to be doing.

raWfodog22d ago

“No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.”

It could also be many people rushing to buy to avoid any possible tariff hikes in the future, but I think it’s still a good sign that many people still want physical consoles. Congrats to Nintendo! I’m not getting one at this time though (unless I get it for a Xmas present for one of my kids).

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1Victor22d ago

Congratulations Nintendo on finding the happy medium between their weak console and their invincible handheld plus learning from Sony and clearly defining the new console from the old unlike their Wii and Wii U just add a higher number simple yet effective 👍👍

victorMaje23d ago

Are people that keen on $90 games?
Is it true some remasters will also be $90?

DankSinatra22d ago

Tell me you don't research without telling me you don't research.

victorMaje22d ago

Nope. I didn’t research, I don’t own any Nintendo consoles and I had read on here something about $90 games on switch 2, so I guess it’s good now, people can calm down. Have a nice day :)

1nsomniac22d ago

I bought the Switch 2 I won’t be buying games at MK prices. I don’t ever pay over £45 for my games. Even my Nintendo switch exclusives I never paid more than £33 for.

franwex22d ago

I think the typo you put was meant to be $80.
Anyway, the answer to those questions seem to be yes.

victorMaje22d ago

Looks like I’ve been enlightened about the amount. Happy to see it’s not $90.

Sgt_Slaughter21d ago

Don't get your news from clickbait TikTokers/YouTubers, only go to the source (Nintendo) or reliable new outlets like IGN.

No game is $90 on the Switch 2, and they will never go there. Most games will be under $80, too.

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gold_drake23d ago

cool
wasnt expecting it not to sell well

Profchaos23d ago

Its crazy that it's both the highest selling console on day 1 and people can walk into a store and buy it with no pre order

Ashunderfire8622d ago

Yup while I was waiting in line from Best Buy for Switch 2, like I did for Switch 1 back in 2017, every waiting 12am was going to get a Switch 2! I was in the no preorder line too!

My friend manage to get 4 Switch 2s at his GameStop store, that was lowkey not busy at all. Got them all for himself and his family. Super easy to get a Switch 2 over PS5.

Profchaos22d ago

The struggle to get a ps5 was real had mates wait over 2 years for stock i got lucky and got it day 1 but still

Ashunderfire8622d ago

I know and I also struggled getting a preorder for the PS5, when Walmart, Best Buy among other retailers open their preorders a day early before most of us realize it. I got my PS5 launch day thanks to YouTube Live Streamer Jake Randell. He helps people get preorders and launch consoles.

Neonridr21d ago

the PS5 also released during a global pandemic.

Ashunderfire8621d ago

It’s funny how I got disagrees for speaking the truth for what I experienced getting the Switch 2. Nintendo had more copies of Switch 2 than Sony for the PS5.

Don’t be butthurt about this very fact. People on here disagreeing with crazy reasons lol

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hiawa2322d ago

Doesn't that mean Nintendo made sure they had plenty of stock available at retail.

Profchaos22d ago

Yeah it's nice to see they prepped for it

adamwparker22d ago

Yeah, I remember reading an article over two years ago with Nintendo stating that they were going to do all that they could to make sure their next console didn't have the PS5/XBox reseller swiping /no stock fiasco happen to them.

Looks like they made sure production met demand. Refreshing to see that the reseller thing didn't trend and I hope a lot of people who bought multiple units for the sole reason to resell then at $1000 are now stuck with them.

jznrpg22d ago

It also means there isn’t a chip shortage when PS5/Xbox came out during pandemic

gold_drake22d ago

to be where fair, we had a current gen come out during covid ha

repsahj22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

I remembered I tried 7 pre-order events during the PS5 launch. I gave up and ended up buying 1 from a scalper. But now, I already secured 1 pre-order Switch 2 unit in my country very easy and without problems.

Neonridr21d ago

kudos to Nintendo for ensuring a healthy amount of stock.

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Terry_B22d ago

Unlike the Switch 2 , the Playstation 4 was not sold on the same day in most regions.

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Obscure_Observer42d ago

Not surprising at all.

I mean, they´ll be releasing a new console in a few weeks.

repsahj41d ago

I hope they show new Switch 2 exclusive games.