Turning Point is the new Lair

As per the previous news of the CEO of Spark Unlimited speaking out against reviewers not singing Turning Points praises - Geekpulp has drawn the comparision between this and the events surrounding the release of the reviewers guide to Lair

[I Call 9MM]

I have to say Turning Point was a half assed game. Sure, great concept and all, but really there is more to it then that: the game has to be fun. The graphics look worse then a lot of last generation games, and it plays like an older game. It's not smooth like CoD4 or something like that. It's rigged. Heck, the weapons look like they came from Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, which itself was a great game, but that came out in like 2000 or so. Firing the guns just doesn't feel right, hitting the enemies doesn't feel right, nothing feels right. Glad I played the demo first, because I was really looking forward to this game for awhile. Developers really should know when their games are crap, because this game is close to that.

Don't blame the gamers if they don't like the game, blame yourselves guys.

[Presentist]

I won't ever buy a game with a Swastika on the cover or in the trailers.

Sends a bad message, even if it's based on an 'alternate reality'.

It's just too soon.

[alster23]

same here

[RJ2000]

I would rather REMEMBER than forget what our great soldiers did in World War II. I know you are not saying to forget, but why not have games and movies on World War II? It has been 50 years. Most WWII vets have passed and their memory must remain.

[Palodios]

I don't think its a matter of forgetting what tens of millions of people died for in war and in genocide. I haven't played it because the reviews are so poor, but from wikipedia and other sources, I've learned that in this alternate reality... all those millions died for nothing and Germany won, implying the extermination of the Jews(along with homosexuals and jehova witnesses, I'd assume). All the people who died would have died in vain. A game is supposed to be entertainment, enjoyment, and that isn't something I'd want to play, and nothing I'd want to enjoy.

[Presentist]

Screw whoever disagreed with me.

Honestly.

The swastika is one of the most evil signs of hate and racism in the world. I merely don't want to support games that focus on an area of history that no one should live through again.

It isn't about forgetting, it's about not having to relive awful events of the worlds past.

Would you like to play in an alternate universe where the KKK are in the white house?

Thought not.

Also, comment 2.2; if you want to relive the events of WWII watch the history channel, don't support awful games like this that just capitalize on the hurt and suffering that millions went through.

It's sickening.

[Scottama]

Actually, I would like to play a game with the KKK in the White House (is that your pun or mine? :D) It would be just like Harry Potter 7; a huge change from reality! Seriously, that book destroyed the entire formula of the other 6 books, and it was really tense and exciting all the time. I couldn't get the idea that there was always a Death Eater just waiting for them out of my head.

I like alternate reality games, and the whole point of them is to be RADICALLY different. Just like Harry Potter 7, just Resistance, just like FP:ToL SHOULD HAVE BEEN (and I'm so disappointed that it's failed), and just like your KKK game would be.

Noone (well...) here is saying that Nazism is right, but it would be interesting (and perhaps frightening), to play through a game which is so radically changed from our own history, especially when you consider how close this was. Had Churchill died, there might now be a furore about a videogame which depicted Nazism losing.

Anyway, I realise I've rambled, but seriously, get a grip.

[whoelse]

There's a difference between supporting the Nazis and reminding people about them.

[Presentist]

Scott-

Keep your mouth shut.

[Electronic Arts]

Now wait just a minute there

I would give lair an 8.5 after the controls

Honestly Turning point had a great concept

But I think we all new this was coming. From the trailers I noticed how bad the graphics were, it looked like a flash game to me. There was just something telling me this game wouldn't score at least an 8

Also, this would kick ass if i made it :D

[Ri0tSquad]

This came out for PS3 as well.

[Theo1130]

Lair was good, but the main problems were related to the controls. Fix that and its a very good game, as Turing Point is a complete turd, and deserves the stick it is getting.

[gambare]

Lair was good, not awesome but good, the only "problem" was the six axis, many of the reviewers hate it, like many people in fact, but with some tweaks on the dual analog lair can turn into a great game, tur(d)ning point is actually bad, so we can't really say that is the new Lair because Lair wasn't a bad game.

[Iron Man 2]

Thank you,bubbles for you Theo!;)

[toughNAME]

you never would have heard of Turning Point if it wasn't this bad

[The gaming GOD]

You're probably right on that

[Mr Playboy]

but Lair is better in graphic side

anyway they all $uck A$$

[The gaming GOD]

If people didn't have trouble learning how to use the sixaxis, Lair would have received probably about and 8/10. They tried to give the gamers something they need (meaning something new).

Turning point however tried nothing new and still managed suck. I never thought it was possible to make an fps suck. Guess I was proven wrong

[humble_gamer]

lairs not bad. if you wanna check out something bad, go to yahoo.com and look at the worst console of all time.

[Clinton514]

Just like pretentious jerks to act like they finished a game before condemning it with a half assed opinion.

[Danja]

Lair was good...the controls weren't even that bad as reviewers made it out to be..the 180 turns were a b!tch thats the only prob with the sixaxix i had

[Rocko]

it wasn't.

[Iron Man 2]

More like the new Hour Of Victory exclusively for Turdbox360!;)

[Xbox is the BEST]

right Hour of Victory sucked

[caffman]

as Lair! Fly a dragon that handles like a tie fighter!

[heyheyhey]

metacritic scores:

Lair- 53
Hour of Victory- 37

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

open your eyes child- you might see some nice titties and spot a decent game

[Rocko]

Give it a f**kin rest. I can't believe ppl are STILL defending that garbage. A goddamn 57 is still SH*T, only slightly less sh*tty than Hour of Victory's 37. Move on already.

[poos3]

liar is the worst game ive played the grapics are not done well gameplay is crap story is crap

[Butthaul]

Your comment lacked truth. Your jsut talking out of your ass

[ParaDise_LosT]

console?

[cr33ping_death]

shouldnt the title be "turning point is the new TWO WORLDS" ? that was a bigger flop than LAIR. though LAIR was mainly judged for its bad controls which i didnt find all that hard to control.....but still could have used the analog controls.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

TWO WORLDS is rated at 50 on meta

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

LAIR is rated at 53 on meta

[cr33ping_death]

love how someone disagrees with pure facts :)

[heyheyhey]

i really wanted this game to turn out good

it seemed quite interesting, especially those rooftop scaffolding sections- and the whole alternate history seemed intriguing

if buy this game i would have three alternate versions of WW2 in my collection- the normal version(COD3), one where mankind gets pwned by aliens before any nazi-killing begins (Resistance)and one where the nazis win (this)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You should find a copy of Freedom Fighters for the PC, it's about a Russian invasion of the US. It's a tactical squad based third person shooter, with stealth elements. The game is a trip and the music score rivals film soundtracks.

[Danja]

I agree Jason I played Freedom Fighters a couple years back amazing game..kinda short but still good..the only thing I hated about the game was the Lackluster ending but a superb game none the less

[power of Green]

What?, Lair is lair because of the hype of it being some technical marvel and some sort of AAA and the opisite was true. Lair is known not because it was simply a bad game it was because it was hyped to be something great, never hear of Turning Point untill the demo came out.

I'm getting worried about Brianemone he seems to troll for 360 news.

Who hyped up Turning point to godly status?, who are the devs?, did I miss people hyping up TP as some sort of grand AAA?.

Turning Point can't be the new Lair because the devs never lied about their product hyping it up. Sure both parties make excuses but its a stretch to say this game is the 360's Lair because that would have to envolve a supposed super AAA title ending up being a flop.

I thought this game was multi platform, could be wrong or it could be PS3 fanboys looking to tarnish 360's rep.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

It's true, the only hype TP got was internet based, but LAIR got TV spots. Sony even tried to pull a fast one by sending out review kits, so the mags would do a rereview.

Just like the people of the world, different races, religions, and cultures. There are piles of gaming sh!t that cross platforms and you will find some sucker defending that pile of sh!t.

[Rocko]

Notice how the droids love to use Two Worlds to counter Lair? The difference is NOBODY ever gave a sh*t about Two Worlds. Lair however, was hyped up the ass.

[SnakeDiesinMGS4]

Both games suck bad! The difference is that sony fanboys thought Lair was going to be a AAA title. So Lair is a bigger flop. Nobody thought nothing of Turning Point.

[brothersimon]

of COURSE Lair sucked.. its on ps3.

[heyheyhey]

so by you logic COD4, DMC4, Oblivion etc etc are all games that suck?

grow up son

if your going to be a fanboy at least have the decency to use acceptable logic

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Both games sucked, no matter how you try and defend, these games are still piles of sh!t at the end of the day.

Before you even try droids, yes I played this game, I have also played R&C, Resistance, and Uncharted. Brother has a PS3/Wii/360 for his kids, now ask which they play more?

[heyheyhey]

to be fair- the kids probably play the Wii more

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Your right they do play the Wii more. I bet some were thinking I would say 360, I love my 360 but it doesn't babysit children like Nintendo. My brother only plays Texas holdem poker over live and video chats with his girl overseas.

[Hellsvacancy]

er the Wii

[Captain Tuttle]

Lair had broken controls as well but at least looked great. Turning Point has broken controls (although not nearly in Lair's league) but it's quite old looking graphically.

[1-800-4MY-XBOX]

1-800-4MY-XBOX for all your coffin needs.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Get AIDS.

[mariusmal]

i've played both games. lair had bad controls and some bad mechanics. turning point is an unfinished product. bad animations etc etc.

[Boink]

lair LOOKED like it was going to be awesome, but bombed.

turning point looked mediocre and bombed.

[bbelly9320_]

not nearly as hyped as lair was

[Captain Tuttle]

Lair was hyped so bad by fanboys that the disappointment was that much worse.

[AngryTypingGuy]

The difference between Turning Point and Lair is that Turning Point didn't have the hype or the expectations that Lair did. Lair was supposed to be an AAA exclusive for the PS3, possibly a Game of the Year candidate. Turning Point didn't have those expectations, but it was a disappointment nonetheless. It has a cool premise, but things just didn't pan out.

These things happen sometimes. There will be huge disappointments and there will be unexpected gems.

[t-0_ot-]

Yea, this comparison is stupid.. Lair was hyped to no end. Turning Point.. Not so much.