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Why the Playstation 4 and Not The New Xbox System Is the One We are Getting at Launch

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an opinion piece stating that the Playstation 4 and not the new Xbox is the system that they will be picking up at launch.

They cite past issues with the Xbox such as paying to play games and the red ring of death as factors why they will take a wait and see approach with the new offering from Microsoft.

Knight_Crawler4483d ago

Very bias article - nothing has been confirmed about the 720 as yet and everything floating around is based on rumors, as far as we are concern the 720 does not excise.

Also the articles states that they will take a wait and see approach before they buy the 720 but are willing to buy the PS4 with knowing if Sony will charge for the new online experience or keep it free or how much the console will cost.

People need to relax and wait to see what both will show after E3.

Snookies124483d ago

I agree, the next Xbox hasn't even been revealed yet... I'm definitely getting a PS4, but seriously? How are you going to say that you're going PS4 instead of the next Xbox when you don't even know anything official about it?

kingmushroom4483d ago

Easy , Sonys Diverse First party exclusives

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MysticStrummer4483d ago (Edited 4483d ago )

I can see how some people might have made their decision already. I know several people who swore never to buy another MS console because of their experience with RRoD. Others might make their decision based on the available games, since fun is subjective and one side's catalog of exclusives might appeal to them more than the other's. Another group of people might have realized that XBL is the only network that makes you buy your games, then pay again to play them online.

I'd say that last group is the reason 360 will end up in 3rd place, if it's not there already. People who waited this long to buy a PS3 or 360 did so mainly because of price, so they won't want to pay extra to access online play. Because of that, most of the people that helped PS2 sell so many more units after PS3 launched will buy a PS3 when the price gets low enough. Those late adopters who also buy based on quality games will see that one side has more exclusive GotY winners and graphics awards.

Those who buy every console may not understand it, but it is possible to have made your next gen console purchase decision already, based on the past. New info from MS can always change things though.

Army_of_Darkness4483d ago

I'm happy with Sony's software support and free online gaming as of now so as long as they keep this up with the PS4, I will pick it over xbox 720 without hesitation! especially if they release near the same time frame as each other.

ICECREAM4483d ago

Yet you have made up your mind.

princejb1344483d ago

it all depends on the games and of course free online
i still refuse to pay a subscription service for xbox live
yea xbox had the best online experience this gen but they lacked in games that i just didnt like

i could honestly care less about the specs as long as the games are fun and look decent

shoddy4483d ago

Easy, free online and no waiting for download

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knowyourstuff4482d ago (Edited 4482d ago )

It may benefit you to wait to see the defect rate on Msoft's new console, especially if you don't want to experience the same nightmare that was the RROD. Microsoft isn't a hardware company, they're a software company, and are more than willing to rush out something even if defect rates are 30% and higher right off the bat if it means releasing in time for Christmas.

ShinMaster4482d ago

Microsoft has had ulterior movies and doesn't seem to care that much about gaming. The Xbox is a Trojan horse for something else.

insomnium24482d ago

The media sure is kissing Sony's a** this time around. What happened to BD is dead, PS3 is doomed and x360 is more powahfull?

TheRealSpy4482d ago

The article sites the RRoD as one of the reasons they are waiting. Why is Xbox now held back cuz of that but nobody said this about the ps3's launch after the massive failure rate of the PS2. Such hypocrisy.

Personally, i'll be buying several of each at launch. Plenty of people out there too stupid to preorder.

@kingmushroom: Those "diverse first party exclusives" didn't start showing up on ps3 for a long time, buddy.

@knowyourstuff: umm..8 years is rushing? also, see hypocrisy comment.

@insomnium2: what psycho, victim world are you living in? the media has always had a love affair with sony and nobody ever said 360 was more powerful.

loulou4482d ago

lol n4g. i especially love all the trash sites that write rubbish just for the hits..

i can't believe how swamped n4g is in fanboys.

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Garethvk4483d ago (Edited 4483d ago )

Hey guys, we missed a paragraph that was not added. It has been replaced now. Sony will not be charging for their games to be played online and we know the console will be below $600.

We have talked with third-party developers who work on games for both systems. They have told us that while both have nice features, the PS 4 is a better system with more power and features.

classic2004483d ago (Edited 4483d ago )

Their fanboyism is the one that blinds them, they won't believe sony will be free online.

Derekvinyard134483d ago

I hope it's below 600 maybe 400

Gildarts4483d ago

You guys are not real journalist, you do not have any form of contact with third-party devs, stop lying. Real journalist will pick-up both consoles at launch or even before that regardless of its predecessors faults. Real journalists don't judge something before it's even released let alone revealed.

Gildarts4483d ago

Don't PM me, If you were a real journalist you wouldn't PM me.Real journalists would just ignore that, they don't give a shit about what people think as long as they are getting hits. It just proves that i am right and that you are a liar.

DigitalRaptor4482d ago (Edited 4482d ago )

Cheers Gareth

It's good to hear this coming from a real journalist. Charging $600 again would be foolish on Sony's part and something I've believed wouldn't be repeated. Again, DigitalRaptor has been pushing the notion that Sony will never charge for the ability to use your own Internet bandwidth for online gaming, but I was met with "Sony are losing money and need to charge for online". To which I replied "they have their business model in PS+ and will only continue growing as the years go on".

So thanks for confirming this again.

PS4 is looking to be a great thing for the industry - that's gamers AND developers. I'm looking forward to seeing the anti-Sony fanboys to pull things from their asses to try and downplay what looks for be something amazing.

What I know is that charging for online play is going to catch up with Microsoft at some point, and they won't have the mistakes of their staunchest competitor to lean on since Sony are in Viper mode. All we need are some brave journalists to expose the truth about paying for XBL and free apps etc.

@ Gildarts, I only have to look at your Microsoft defense comment history to understand why you would attack Gareth like that. A real journalist, in fact, gets their hands dirty and talks to the people. I'm not talking about corrupt members of the press, but real journalists who do what they can to seek truth. And real journalists don't always have the money to afford everything at once. Not every journalist outlet has the budget of say IGN or GameSpot. Real journalists use past experience to shape future decision.

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classic2004483d ago

Waiting on E3 for kinect 2.0 with casual games, xbox tv, kinect tv, third party games already on PS4/PC, fable mmo, more talk about app, halo 5 and one new IP from black tusk.

Rumored DRM or online always system.

only the new IP I am interested in which might be a launch title but not enough to keep me interested.

With Microsoft being so predictable why would people feel comfortable when we know how the last 3 years of E3 look, microsoft as not been the microsoft of last gen or early this gen.

unicron74483d ago

Pretty much this. They turned their back on the hardcore about midway through this generation. I don't see them returning any time soon. I'm not buying a console for purely Halo alone.

nirwanda4483d ago

They have alot of studio's that haven't done anything for a couple of years so I expect alot of new games at launch probably even more than sony and it will be better at media stuff than the ps4, but the ps4 will probably have better specs

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MYSTERIO3604483d ago (Edited 4483d ago )

Im split on this one part of me wants to see what MS has to show at E3 the other just doesn't care what they show after how they treated their customers. I just feel the whole Gold membership deal is put me of MS plus many of the exclusives titles i bought a 360 for are multiplate i.e. Mass effect, Bioshock and Ghost recon.

Muffins12234483d ago

Really then why did xbox order the fbi to raid the guy that leaked durango if they where fake...

AngelicIceDiamond4483d ago

Its very, very, VERY pathetic to bash a unannounced console.

Articles like these aren't proving anything besides shadiness and complete and utter stupidity.

And gamers wonder why, WHY the mainstream media don't take our profession seriously...

InMyOpinion4482d ago

If anything it would make more sense to assume that the Xbox 720 will likely be the console with the least hardware problems, looking at the hit they took from RROD.

kickerz4483d ago

Next Xbox day 1 purchase for me :)

fsfsxii4482d ago

Have fun playing kinect 2

CoolBeansRus4483d ago

Why is this news? This is a opinion based on rumors. Why would anyone make up their mind on a system before actually knowing any details about it. That is called being bias, which this article is. The article should be renamed, " Why we are bias towards Sony."

KwietStorm_BLM4483d ago

You were marked as well said, but you have equal agrees and disagrees.. Lol this site is the lulz

Snookies124483d ago

@ICECREAM - Who said I made a choice? I said I'm getting the PS4. I might get the next Xbox as well. I like having all the consoles and PC. That way I can play any and all game releases. :]

Shnazzyone4483d ago

God, I kinda wonder how N4g is gonna react if there's any point ps4 is being outsold by wii U, let alone the 720. I hate articles like this because you can literally tell nothing right now from the available info, I mean, we don't even know what the ps4 or 720 will cost, and as the last few gens have taught us, price is king. We can quibble over specs all we like, In the end, the decider is going to be what each system costs.

ALLWRONG4482d ago

Begging people to buy a PS4. LOL only here.

morkendo234482d ago (Edited 4482d ago )

what i know so far about ps4 (no BC) not looking appealing, specially using cloud for (BC for ps2,ps3 games) also the 720 not desirable either with Allen wake,Halo,Forza,Gears only. this new generation of console do not have much to offer far as games to want. military, first person shooters,zombie killing,action multi-player role playing games not for me.

i'll pass at 55 time to hang-up the controller.

OLD SCHOOL GAMER retiring

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Gimmemorebubblez4483d ago

Based on my experience with Sony Playstations I will be getting one on launch day. BUT while the Xbox 720 rumours don't sound good, they are just rumours and I will reserve my judgment for when the Xbox 720 is unveiled. This article is baised and is only ment to draw attention to start the clash of the Fanboys. Microsoft is successful for a reason so don't dismiss them ever.

AO1JMM4483d ago

I'll get both because I'm a gamer.

aviator1894483d ago

what excuse?
as a gamer myself, I want to be able to get the fullest gaming experience I possibly can.
And if that means getting all the consoles for the games that I want, I don't see that as an excuse. Rather, it's rational reasoning.

AO1JMM4483d ago (Edited 4483d ago )

Excuse????

There WILL be numerous games on both systems that I will want to play. This isnt football or baseball, So I will not limit my choices based on some blind fanboy dedication to a console manufacturer.

pixelsword4482d ago

Sarcasm: missed on you two guys.

lol :D

unicron74483d ago

I'll get the 720 eventually when I have more money. But I know at launch, PS4 for sure. I'll give MS a year or two to prove to me that it still has hardcore chops. I'm not buying it for purely Halo alone.

DaPrintz4483d ago

Agreed. I have a 360 for Gears and Halo, but I need to decide whether I want to continue paying for Live. Everything hinges on what Live will cost and the games that are there at launch. I may be able to hold off for a while depending.

KEEPNITREAL4483d ago

That's the best response I've read today ! Tired of all these fanboys , Sony fanboys are the worst ! What's so wrong with people getting an Xbox or wiiu instead of your precious ps4 . Real gamers get to enjoy all types of games whether it's on their favorite system or not. We get to enjoy the Uncharteds,Halos,Killzones,For zas,Mario bros,Witchers,Crysis,Zeldas,Sp linter cells,Call of dutys,Battlefields,World of warcraft,Diablos, ECT. So many Badass games all around !!!

Jazz41084482d ago (Edited 4482d ago )

The new oxm specualates ms will have a stripped down online available for free on the new xbox. If you want the bells and whistles then live is the way and I think sony will take a similar approcach with plus but we need to wait and see as bein biased before sonething is even announced is verh unprofessional when ms lead sony for alot of this gen and may stilll do so never underestimate either sony or micro espeially when you dont even have any clue what ms is doing next gen as they have said nothing. Just be patient and lets see what ms is doing with twenty studios they currently have now with the eight studios they have purchased in the last two years that have shwed nothing.

jessupj4482d ago

I'm a gamer, and until MS proves they're passionate about gaming, I won't be considering them at all.

puamdefokejpn4482d ago

they be filled with cocaine,.. youtube Ballmer,.. they are passionate alright ,.. just not about the games

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HeavenlySnipes4483d ago

Don't even know what the next Xbox is and you're making this article....

Garethvk4483d ago

I know alot more than you think. I work with game developers all the time, I also work with both companies all the time. Microsoft is having us out for their Gears of War launch next week. All I am saying is that we are taking a wait and see approach on the new Xbox. There is no bashing of it, no saying that it will not be good, etc. Simply saying that based on what we know and on past experiences, we are getting the Playstation 4 first.

greenpowerz4483d ago (Edited 4483d ago )

Sounds like you're scared/worried as is most other Sony loyalist and or supporters.

Trying to condem a console and shape public opinion about it before anything is know about it is behavor of fanatical fanboyism.

I find it foolish to waste time trying to do Sony's job for them by attacking the xbox and promoting the PS4 when MSFT has not announced the new box and with Sony's history of lying and overpromising on thier new hardware time after time.

This attacking the unannounced 720 and chossing what 720 rumors to believe so you feel good about your future purchase is silly. Using certain devs after their *falling outs* with MSFT as scripture is very revealing how importand PS3 fans need Sony to beat MSFT this time/revenge even for this gen.

-Kinect attacked because Sony didn't envent something so popular and revolutionary

-The talking point that MSFT has no games comes from MSFT winning the 3rd party developer support and PS3 fans using it to deflect. Most of the games Sony has that PS3 fanboys boast about are shovelware and or game delayed over and over agin some being from almost a decade ago.

-The attack on MSFT's multi media plans comes from Sony supporters angry MSFT is doing it better and faster. (((IT ONLY DOES EVERYTHING)))

-Sony had no games for the 2012 holiday leaving a lot of bord Sony fans around to troll.

How can anybody say they would rather have a PS4 when the 720 hasn't been announced and Sony strategically lies about the console specs, launch dates, console capability, game launches.

*Sony changes specs when reality sets in.

*Sony purposely announces games not ready then canns them or delays them when they can't cope.

*Sony is following their leader MSFT and has been for a decade

*What Sony says their new console can do is never true

*Most of the exclusives are overhyped shovelware and filler barely worth the rental due to the way PS games are designed no replay value(waste of money)

So again how does this article make sense? Why would the masses choose the PS4 over the 720? Simple they won't. unless Sony earns that right, no amount of fanboys in forums is going to win this for SOny LMAO. MSFT's consoles are attacked because what their doing keeps iving then the edge and people ahte them for that.

In the real world the masses see added value in a machine that can replace amny devices it's delusional to think a multi media device is going in the wrong direction.

mojoGAMES4483d ago

How is he attacking the Xbox? He simply states an opinion based on past history. If you had issues with a specific car, brand of TV/DVD Player, or even cell phone, would you be likely to get the same thing the next time around. I personally wouldn't, at least not right away. I would wait a bit until after the new product has launched and worked through it's bugs. If you actually read the article, he even said he was going to do just this. So am I, and I am not in gaming journalism as he puts it.

EZMickey4483d ago

While I agree for the most part that it's a little short sighted to rule out the next Xbox before it's official details have been released, I don't think it's unreasonable.

Most gamers have already chosen their sides, for similar reasons. They know what they like and what they trust.

I think the disagreement in the comments stem from the fact that there are still quite a few gamers undecided.

I thought Sony set the bar quite high. I thought they did very well, covered all the grounds that they needed to and showed consumers what they want to see; A solid product that aims well into the future in it's design, build and as well as the services it offers.

However, I'm an Xbox gamer. So I will wait. I would buy an Xbox 360 primarily for Halo, I'll admit that. I love Halo, I love Forza- genuinely, so it hasn't bothered me that Microsoft has given me more of what I love.

Would I buy the next Xbox primarily for Halo? I don't know. There needs to be more. Everyone has said it already, we want more and not just more of the same.

I'll play wait and see just as I did with my Xbox 360 and 3DS, while every "journalist" on the internet writes Doom articles for the new consoles weeks after they've launched.

@greenpowerz

It's clear to see why you have one bubble.

DigitalRaptor4482d ago (Edited 4482d ago )

@ greenpowerz

Honestly, who is more worried after THAT insecure bout of Sony hatred damage control?

"Trying to condem a console and shape public opinion about it before anything is know about it is behavor of fanatical fanboyism. "

So releasing opinion and making decisions based on valid reasons and truthful things that happened in the past is wrong? Microsoft's specs have been released. You lie that SuperDae's info is not correct, but at this stage all you are doing is defending something out of ignorance, desperation and fear.

"Kinect attacked because Sony didn't envent something so popular and revolutionary"

So Microsoft invented controller-free gaming? Or was that PrimeSense, or was it Sony before them with EyeToy, or was it Sega before them with the DreamEye. Brush up on your history kid, Sony fans know very well the inadequacy of that type of input for gaming. We've been burned before, but you're experiencing less than stellar motion gaming for the first time. Good going.

"Most of the games Sony has that PS3 fanboys boast about are shovelware and or game delayed over and over agin some being from almost a decade ago."

Said the hypocritical Microsoft fanboy. Most of those games are... ACTUAL games with ACTUAL focus. Ranging from average to great. Plus, you can't even downplay the diversity and risk taken from new IPs.

"The attack on MSFT's multi media plans comes from Sony supporters angry MSFT is doing it better and faster."

Not earlier though. You need to get your facts straight. PS3 was placed into the market as a multimedia hub long before Microsoft planned to initiate their plans to lock in your multimedia entertainment by making you go as far as paying for it. When Sony's online network impresses gamers enough that they don't mind not paying for the very basics, you won't have a leg to stand on.

"Sony had no games for the 2012 holiday leaving a lot of bord Sony fans around to troll"

And you must have no games at all by that logic, if you're here trolling. Holiday is all people like you seem to care about. You mustn't be used to round-the-year treatment.

"How can anybody say they would rather have a PS4 when the 720 hasn't been announced"

Because they're not blind and are smart about future decisions based on historical behaviour. RROD, charging consumers to use their own bandwidth for P2P gaming, casual focus, lack of support from Microsoft for their current console other than one game of which there is little to no hype for, lack of new IPs since 2010, lack of diversity in promoted exclusives, lack of risk in niche ideas that would be fruitful if they took risks.

"Why would the masses choose the PS4 over the 720? Simple they won't."

So you're critisizing the author for saying that he'd prefer to get PS4 when the 720 hasn't been announced, yet you're confident that people will choose it when it hasn't been announced. Hypocrite. Double Standards. Sound familiar?

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So fanboy in denial - greenpowerz - knows better than developers of next gen consoles it seems? Knows better than those with industry contacts?

Basically, when what one person says about their personal opinion (that they will get the PS4 before the next Xbox), makes you gush a hateful anti-Sony tirade of nonsense, it really just goes to show how MASSIVELY insecure you are about the direction of the next Xbox and scared that PlayStation could just be on a resurgence that Microsoft won't have the benefit of being able to silence, now that they have developers and Gaikai on their side.

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WarThunder4483d ago

Maybe, who knows.

But i will be buying the system that has the most games i prefer and i like.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain16d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198116d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK15d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts15d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK15d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT18d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits18d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel118d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic17d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN17d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel116d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica17d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14917d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga17d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania18d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts18d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7718d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7717d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts17d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7717d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb17d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow18d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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1Victor17d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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FTC drops case against Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard deal

The FTC has officially dropped its case against Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

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slate9125d ago

The sweet smell of tax dollars burning

Killa7825d ago

From the unemployment this deal caused, no doubt.

Obscure_Observer24d ago

"The sweet smell of tax dollars burning"

They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start. And yet, still, they´d decided to go ahead and double down on their bs to bleed the taxpayer even more.

dveio24d ago

The IRS demands 29bn USD in not paid taxes from Microsoft.

If we're talking bleeding.

1Victor24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

@slate: “ The sweet smell of tax dollars burning “

The smell of political donations endorsements under the table.
There I fixed it it for you
We all knew Microsoft plan of “10 years of all systems publishing “ and some of its supporters happy that after all the games would be “exclusive to Xbox “ now that things have changed and Microsoft got humbled by the lost of money from CoD going down from OVER A BILLI🤑N to
MILLI😩NS the sales failing of games that would released on PlayStation and be forced by INVESTORS asking for their M🤑NEY to grow faster than the next 10 years it is obvious that it would be a waste of money to continue this litigation.
Edit:@obscured: “ They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start “

Same as your grievance stages.
Have you passed the bargaining stage yet ? Or are you still on the anger stage 🤣

slate9124d ago

I knew my singe bipartisan sentence would bring out the crazies. Thanks for the wall

Astrokis24d ago

Not sure if I’m disturbed or entertained but either way I hope you are alright

OtterX25d ago

I think they're convinced now that MS won't (and can't) withhold releases from conpeting platforms. MS on the street corner now like, "Who wants a taste?!"

PhillyDonJawn25d ago

I wont be too sure of that. Gotta wait and see till after these deals expire

OtterX25d ago

That's how it always starts, "I'll just work this street corner for a short while until I get caught up on my bills..."

Tacoboto25d ago

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna make Xbox exclusives again, with the hardware they're totally committed to selling and making available lol

raWfodog25d ago

As far as I'm aware, the only 'deal' that was discussed was for Call of Duty. Xbox had no obligation to make any of their other games multiplatform. They did that of their own accord.

OtterX24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

**btw, I'm talking about street food vendors, just in case there's any confusion!

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Lightning7725d ago (Edited 25d ago )

I've seen videos and talk a online speculating MS long game. Some think that MS multiplat move is use to appease the FTC so they can buy more and is somehow a move that could get Sony to open up their platform. In other words them going third party and letting their games go everywhere. MS possible scheme and ulterior motives, speculated by Jeff Grubb is that putting Xbox store on PS via regulation Which would hurt PS buissness very badly because that 30% cut would be even less or not a cut at all. MS buys more because they're "playing nice" by opening up its platform to Epic store and steam which would force Apple and Sony to open up their ecosystem to other stores like MS.

If that's the case that'll mean as I said before, PS fans buying Cod on PS via MS store would give 100% maybe even 90% of the money being pocketed by MS while Sony's store front wanes when it comes to third party because guess what? MS is buying more third party and preying off the extreme ignorance of the FTC. Manipulation of the FTC and MS overtaking the PS store and customers

My thing is this. I know it's a opinion and speculation but why does Sony have to open up its store or force them to go multiplat? If they still believe in selling their freakin console then let them do it. If they want to provide the best games and the best content for its fans then let them do it!? Why because the competition is trash at selling games and consoles for 14 years now Sony has to change? MS using the ignorance of the FTC to overtake gaming as we know it?

Again it's just talk and opinion but man this seems very, very possible imo.

dveio25d ago

Well, at the time, I actually did think the FTC and CMA did a poor job in court. But also the judge.

Having said that - it is what it is.

If 75bn mergers in any industry ain't a threshold to deny them, then I don't know what is.

As far as your thoughts about other 3rd parties getting taken over in the future go:

I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher.

But smaller studios ... maybe.

However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft.

That isn't to say an announcement of such couldn't drop on Monday already. Because we today know that Microsoft had approached a plethora of other studios in 2018 to 2021, such as IOI, CD Project, etc.

We'll see. And we can't do anything about it. It's up to trade commissions and then probably courts to decide.

Lightning7724d ago (Edited 24d ago )

"I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher."

That's the thing MS is ticking all the boxes by not have anything be exclusive so the CMA/FTC see that they're doing "fair practice" in games and content distribution. Which technically greenlits more aquisions or it makes it easier for acquisitions because MS is a mega publisher now.

"However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft."

Hopefully not but them going multiplat could entice Studios to join MS because nothing is not longer exclusive which means more money for them, studio and teams.

We can't do nothing about it but Sony can. They can block xbox games on their console (lose that 30% cut) but Sony won't do that because that's money that will be lost and Sony runs a buissness. That's the only way to hurt or slow down Xbox.

I'm probably over thinking it as I do these things but it's something we shouldn't just ignore and be weary of MS motives here. I'm keeping an eye on them.

Rancegamerx24d ago

The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up. Microsoft’s multiplatform approach is 100% due to past failures and its laughable position in the gaming industry. Their best attempt was a fluke and a lie, brought on by Sony’s missteps and a poorly made machine that broke down too often.

Sony would never allow themselves to be "forced" to do anything; they control their platform and storefront perfectly fine without the need or desire to add an unnecessary Microsoft storefront. Even if, by some flaw on Sony’s part, Microsoft were able to introduce its store on PlayStation, Sony would adapt rather than collapse. Digital storefront competition already exists (Steam, Epic Games Store, Xbox Store), and PlayStation’s business won’t suddenly "wane."

Also, regulators like the FTC don’t operate on ignorance—they actively assess market behavior to prevent monopolies. Microsoft isn’t secretly overtaking gaming with some ultimate scheme. The industry might be changing or shifting (for the worse, in my opinion), but Sony will continue evolving based on market trends, not because of alleged schemes.

Gaming isn’t about one company "playing nice" or another being "forced" to change—it’s about making money with games, something Microsoft has yet to achieve in 25+ years.

Lightning7724d ago

"The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up."

That's why I said it was all speculation that's what Jeff Grubb opinion. I made that clear several times. You know what's funny? When Jim was in court ppl got mad at the FTC for protecting Jim Ryan instead of the consumer. Maybe he was right to worry about his business. Now look Releasing Xbox games on PS keeps MS studio an a float. Now Xbox games are all over PS now. Maybe Jim was onto something.

MS is still competing with Sony just in a very different way. The FTC back down mainly means they can buy more and MS next steps can proceed. We'll have to see what happens in the future but I wouldn't be so sure on your stance.

InUrFoxHole24d ago

@Lightning77
MS putting games everywhere is the most consumer friendly thing I've seen a game company do.

dveio24d ago

@InUrFox

What does "putting everywhere" actually mean?

This book has so many pages.

• Xbox was dying in revenue
• Regulators put a 10 year deal on CoD
• Microsoft had to give away the streaming
• Spencer himself only offered 3 yrs initially

And most importantly

• Again, Xbox was dying in revenue

Xbox have the benefit of their actual financial situation giving regulators and courts the impression they release games everywhere, what they actually do.

But for reasons they can't be proven guilty of anything in court.

I'm not judging, it's just what it is.

IF the Series generation would have developed differently and was much more successful, I don't hesitate any second to believe in what Spencer had originally planned to do:

• Make everything Xbox exclusive
• We today know that Spencer had also approached Sega, From Software, CD Project, Nintendo, and even Valve was on their list of buyouts.

MS are playing a card here everyone knows why they are doing it.

Putting Doom "everywhere", which even was it already before it got bought, ain't a MS thing.

It would had hurt them in many ways if they'd put it exclusively to Xbox.

But, no matter what - it is what it is.

Xbox bought themselves back into the game. And I think many people just don't have very fond feelings towards this behaviour, wether on corporate nor private levels.

Let's see how they'll run with it.

In 2030, but most importantly after regulations will have expired we will learn better.

Reaper22_24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Seemed like a lost cause anyway. Microsoft gambled and it paid off big time. That's what you call a big boss move. Sony played a huge part in the success of that acquisition.

wesnytsfs24d ago

Bout time. Pointless from the start.

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