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Developers React to PlayStation 4

IGN and its wonderful readers have been reacting to the PlayStation 4 since its reveal on February 20 -- even Xbox fans were floored. But what about the people who actually make games? After all, this is supposedly a platform "for developers by developers."

We reached out to some of the industry's brightest creative minds for feedback -- what excites designers, directors, and leaders about the platform, what might be missing, and what's Sony doing right?

This is what came back.

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StrongMan4495d ago

Developers love the PS4. They will make amazing games for it and I can't wait to play it. Looks like Sony will have the edge with multi plats this gen since they will have the most ram too.

TheGamerDood4495d ago

It's looking that way! I would have thought that the hype that I'm feeling for Sony/PS4 would have settled a bit by now but, nope! :D

SHORYUKEN4495d ago

Stewart Gilray, Just Add Water CEO

"Having 8GB of DDR5 ram is staggering.

We are incredibly proud to be working on PS4. Sony's passion and insight into connectivity and instant-access gaming is incredibly refreshing and encouraging to us as a developers. It allows us the ability to create immersive titles that truly engage the player at all opportunities."

PS4 is a killer!

Gazondaily4494d ago

Whilst Strongman does troll a lot, I have to agree with him here. Developers clearly love the PS4 and for good reason. Taking a plunge with 8GB Gddr5 ram is a respectable move by Sony and really goes a long way in making the console future proof.

Think about how little Ram we have on current consoles and how far developers have pushed the limits of what's possible. It's a big load off developers concerns. Couple this with the ease of development and you have one extremely capable machine. The competition has very good reason to worry.

Irishguy954494d ago (Edited 4494d ago )

The only developers that let the Ps3's Ram affect them this Gen is bethesda.

It's also not future proof. The GPU is by far the most important component in gaming. The CPU and RAM just need to be up to scratch so that the don't bottleneck the GPU. However...they do NOT improve the GPU. Going from 4GB to 8GB will NOT somehow power up the GPU.

Alot of people say "Killzone was only using a small amount of the Ram! Just wait till they use more"...

And what will happen? Nothing. If they use more...nothing will happen. Maybe some faster loading speeds on everything(which are already fine and unnoticeable) however the GPU nor CPU has not changed.

Devs should say "8Gb's is staggering...because we don't need it"

Leio4494d ago

@Irishguy9

The best way to make a beautiful game is not on the GPU its on the level of talent the developers behold, and its the only thing that is truly future-proof.

The extra added RAM is mainly to address the problem Sony had with multiplat developers. Sure it wont boost the raw graphical power directly but if you know only a little about programming you´ll know how much money and time that can be saved from spending time hiring highly-skilled people for optimizations and debugging, time and resources that can otherwise be spend on making their game better in other way than just graphical.

BitbyDeath4494d ago

Insomniac - 'I think what's often overlooked is how creatively supportive Sony has been for its partners over the last couple of decades'

Poor guys learned that the hard way.

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sway_z4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@Strongman

I don't know why you're accused of trolling...all I see is 'fact' in what you type so far.

The next generation seems to be a different ball game than this current generation.

Developers have mostly gotten what they asked for in the PS4.

Crytek said "Fun times" ;)

RyuCloudStrife4495d ago

"PlayStation 4 builds upon PC technology and takes it to the next level, providing a very robust and easy-to-use development environment."

Play Beyond. Amen.

miyamoto4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

"Sony has defined an ideal next-generation platform."

Tim Sweeney, Epic Games Founder and CEO

Simply epic!

I think the devs got way more than they asked Sony for.

iGAM3R-VIII4495d ago

With this type of support from the developers, the PS4 looks like its serious this time around, get ready Xbox, long live Sony

SDF Repellent4495d ago

One thing is they better keep the cost low, 8gb of GDDR5 isn't cheap, by willing to subsidize and be in the $400-$450 price range because no matter how powerful your system is, ask 3DO and original PS3 price, pricing and advertisement dollars will ultimately determine the success of the PS4. Here hopping $399 at launch so even I can buy one at launch. If Microsoft undercut Sony by $100 or more, then it can be a tough uphill climb for Sony. Just telling like it is.

DragonKnight4495d ago

Yeah, let's ask the PS3, currently sitting at nearly 80 million total units sold worldwide. Gee, what an utter failure of a console and totally like the 3DO. /s

maniacmayhem4495d ago

@Dragonknight

That wasn't until the PS3 cut out features and dropped price (damn near three times)that it then started to take off as SDF was pointing out.

DragonKnight4494d ago

@manicmayhem: Really? That's your response? *sigh*

Once again, I state with complete sarcasm, "gee what an utter failure of a console and totally like the 3DO."

MadMen4494d ago

LOL awesome someone other than me remebers the 3DO

and its 699 price point

SONY needs to come out at 399 or they are pushing it, take a look at their TV market for example

No one is going to pay top dollar anymore for your "name" alone there is too much competition

ceballos77mx4494d ago

Yeah that was expensive, but worthy actually, I'm getting the ps4 at launch, with all the features.

morganfell4494d ago (Edited 4494d ago )

"That wasn't until the PS3 cut out features and dropped price"

No, okay, no. Worldwide the PS3 outsold the 360 from day 1. They moved units faster every year including the first year. Quite a feat when you consider they didn't initially launch in the EU. During the equivalant time period of launch they sold faster. Perception...is not reality. And trolling only makes you look blind and uninformed.

You see this is where shortsighted people are clipped. Yes the 360 initially led in over all sales BUT THE PS3 WAS SELLING AT A FASTER RATE. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME AND NOW LOOK.

Sony cut their price because production costs dropped and they were staying competitive with MS and Nintendo WHO ALSO CUT THEIR PRICES - YOU LIKE TO IGNORE THAT PART.

It's amazing how simple fanboyism or adherence to sheep run anti-Sony media induces people to avoid the truth.

maniacmayhem4494d ago (Edited 4494d ago )

@Dragon

Your sarcasm was noted and glossed over for not caring. thanks for posting it again.

@Morganfell

"IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME AND NOW LOOK"

Yup, 6-7 years and at the tail end of it's life and the beginning of the ps4. They sure showed the competition. *wink*. Funny your lot like to show that around like a badge of honor. A dominate giant in the console field dethroned by a system that had less than half the capabilities and a software company on it's sophomore attempt in the console industry.

"Sony cut their price because production costs dropped and they were staying competitive with MS and Nintendo WHO ALSO CUT THEIR PRICES - YOU LIKE TO IGNORE THAT PART."

Sony cut their price when they removed BC because of the many criticisms from consumers about the price. This was ONE of their reasons and ways to offer the PS3 at a lower more competitive price. This was way before production costs where at an acceptable level and WAY before MS cut or OFFERED a cheaper version of the 360. Of course you ignored that part.

"It's amazing how simple fanboyism or adherence to sheep run anti-Sony media induces people to avoid the truth."

You speak of sheep, trolling and fanboyism but it's your own blind rage and absolute sony soldier like dedication that that statement right there is thick with irony.

kenshiro1004494d ago

You guys must be really scared of a piece of plastic...

DragonKnight4494d ago

@maniactroll: "your sarcasm was noted and glossed over for not caring."

Too bad that's an oxymoron. You can't note sarcasm and gloss over it at the same time. The very act of noting it means it caught your attention, whereas glossing over it means you likely wouldn't have noticed it. But I'm not surprised by continued erroneous statements given how badly you're trolling.

SDF Repellent4494d ago (Edited 4494d ago )

LOL @ DragonKnight, Morganfell, ceballos77.

I know you guys are supportive of Sony through thick and thin, but com on, which part of my post is not correct? I never once said the PS3 is the next 3DO. If you read correctly, I said ORIGINAL PS3 price. The original price was utterly expensive and the PS3 didn't actually take off until the price was more competitive. Sony had to take out USB ports, drop BC, wait for the price of Blu Ray to get cheaper, and introducing the Slim model before the PS3 can get to the price that is competitive to that of the X360; in turn, it start selling well, if not better than the competition Worldwide.

If you guys don't know already, I have all the systems from the White X360 to the Phat PS3 to the Black Wii, so why wouldn't I want all the next gen consoles to be price competitively from the start so I can get all of them and start enjoying them rather than waiting for future price drop.

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DragonKnight4495d ago

It is SOOOO easy to tell the 2 developers who AREN'T working on any PS4 games or haven't even had access to it yet. One said "nothing impressed me" and the other spewed off about PC. Just like the comments that have been made ad nauseum about the PS4 since its reveal. *yawn*

Saigon4495d ago

@StrongMan

i thought the RAM values were the same, 8GB, I thought the only true difference is the speed in which the data moves from the CPU chip to GPU chip.

givemeshelter4494d ago

It is...DDR5 is faster however it has higher latency then DD3.
The reality is the power between the "rumored" specs of the Xbox720 and the specs of the PS4 are closer then they were then the Xbox360 and the PS3...This generation IF these specs are TRUE will see almost all games looking almost the exact same.

Saigon4494d ago

@givemeshelter,

I will hold judgement when MS reveals their system. Sad to say if the leaks are true, Sony system would have a slight edge. Though the structure of both systems would be very similar.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4494d ago

So is this finally the Sony fanboys admitting that 3rd party games are better on the 360? At least most all of them?

Funny thing that I've noticed since the announcement of the PS4...

Suddenly the old six axis sucks, and had it's problems for lots of Sony people now. Before, when Xbots like myself would say that the 360 controller is hands down the best (besides the sucky d pad) and is better than the PS3 controller... the talk was that of.. "No way" "PS3 controller is the best" "There is nothing wrong with the PS3 controller"

Now that there's a new controller, suddenly all this talk about how happy people are for different analog tips and better triggers and a heavier bigger controller are all the talk.

Really? Xbots and SDF have been battling this whole gen talking about how the PS3 controller isn't as good anymore.

And now 3rd party games will be better "this time" on the PS4. So now finally, even the most fanboy of Sony can admit that the 360 has the better 3rd party versions of the game.

The truths start to come out with the talk of the new consoles. Love it. :D

The Meerkat4494d ago

You speak the truth, but that won't help you get a bubble back.

ThatXboxGuy4494d ago

Apparently everyone is one entity to you, and not separate people.

1) I never had a problem with the DS3.I always loved it and always will.DS4 is the next step and it looks good too.Whats your problem?

2) SOME games were better on 360.Nobody can deny that.Just like you can't deny that SOME games were better on PS3.Again, whats your problem? Oh, that's right.You're a self confessed "xbot" the most delusional of any fanboy group.

Carry on in your fantasy bubble.

kenshiro1004494d ago

You wanna cookie or something?

Hey, third party games were also good on the PS3 too.

T24494d ago

I wont believe ms will just lie down and die but despite what fanboy haters say about ps4 if developers are excited, gamers should be excited !

Hicken4494d ago

Not around here. Liking Sony automatically makes you a fanboy. And pointing out the ridiculous strain of articles that have recently popped up, nitpicking and being downright ridiculous makes you blind and/or trolling.

The PS4 should excite gamers. And, hopefully, the Nextbox will do something similar.

Xenomorph4494d ago

Do you ever say anything that isn't just talking out your ass irish guy? Have you even read most of the specs and the recent forbes article? With the last of us looking practically next gen, just wait until they are pushing every last ounce of the PS4 power. Not to mention the 1TB or more storage they will have on the disk.

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Relientk774495d ago

Developers seem very happy with the PS4, as do the gamers

WarThunder4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

It seems PS4 kit is developers dream especially programmers.

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Josh Sawyer: "I feel good about the ability for people to create games."

Game Pressure met with the one and only Josh Sawyer at Digital Dragons and chatted about RPGs, Pentiment, Pillars of Eternity, the state of the industry, and the genre.

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Silent Hill F producer says the series has “lost” the “essence of Japanese horror”

Konami's upcoming Silent Hill F is designed to bring back the essence of Japanese horror the series has sadly lost.

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Microsoft Confirms Next-Gen Xbox Consoles, Deal With AMD and Promises Full BC

Microsoft has announced a partnership with AMD to power the next generation of Xbox, including its first-party future Xbox consoles.

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darthv7212h ago

Me thinks the Xbox 8k will be UDNA based.

Obscure_Observer11h ago

This thing is gonna be *expensive* and extremely powerful!

It might easily break the $1000 price point for a console for the first time ever.

VenomUK8h ago

So what's going on here?

I think two things: Windows faces an existential threat from SteamOS if it ever goes mainstream. So Microsoft wants to build an Xbox PC complete with streamlined Windows OS that will be able to be more attractive than any SteamDeck home console.

Microsoft wants every gamer including PlayStation gamers to move to PC, then it wants to market Game Pass to ALL PC players. Even if it only captures 5% of the worldwide market that would likely be enough to bring in enough revenue to make the subscription service a financial success.

fr0sty7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Note how much emphasis they keep putting on "you can play your games across any device"... as in, no exclusives. This thing will flop hard, again, if it even launches. They already pumped the brakes on the handheld.

Christopher6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

If it's going to do that, it will flop hard. Their best selling console is the cheapest one on the market, not the more expensive one. And they can't sell that to keep up with the more expensive PS5.

Edit: Also, AMD is easily not going to sign away anything that limits what they can do with Sony. They make more money the more consoles manufactured, not the one that sells the least out there but for more.

neutralgamer19928h ago

Xbox doesn’t have someone like Mark Cerny— let’s not pretend that’s a small thing. Sony's domination really began when Cerny became the lead architect. What most people don’t realize is how much of a developer-first mindset he brought to PlayStation hardware.

For example, during PS4 development, Cerny made the call to increase RAM from 4GB to 8GB of GDDR5—a huge and expensive decision at the time—specifically because developers told him they needed more memory. That change had a massive impact on the PS4's long-term success, making it much easier to develop for and future-proofing it in ways Xbox One simply wasn’t.

And he doesn’t just sit in an office and make guesses—he visits every major first-party, second-party, and even third-party studio every two years. He talks directly with the people making the games and collects detailed feedback on what works and what doesn’t. Studios trust him because he’s not just a hardware guy—he’s been a game developer, a producer, and a creative lead. He understands game development from the ground level all the way to the top, and that’s why studios feel comfortable being honest with him. That’s how features like the ultra-fast SSD and the dedicated 3D audio chip made it into the PS5—they weren’t just specs on paper, they were answers to real-world studio needs.

So while Xbox is doing great things with AMD (and that’s a strong move on its own), they don’t have a Cerny—a bridge between engineering and creative. That matters.

And for those claiming Xbox might gain an advantage by launching early—this isn’t 2005 anymore. Back then, launching the Xbox 360 a year early gave Microsoft a real edge. But now? People are invested:

They’ve built massive digital libraries

Their friends and social systems are tied into Xbox Live or PSN

And cross-play means you don’t have to switch consoles just to play with others

You can’t “win” the generation early just by releasing first anymore.

If Xbox wants to win the next generation, they should aim squarely at core gamers. Release a powerhouse, even if it costs $800–$1000. The hardcore market would embrace it. But the real danger is that they’ll also release a $350–$400 console, like they did with Series S—and that console will hold the whole generation back again. Series S was the bottleneck of this generation. Developers had to build to its limitations, and it’s part of the reason why PS4 is still being supported with new releases in 2025.

Power is only one part of the equation. Vision matters. Studio trust matters. Execution matters. And that’s where Mark Cerny and PlayStation’s approach continue to set the bar

crazyCoconuts5h ago

I think they could put in a low effort iteration that doesn't pack in a lot of innovation (same dashboard, copy some ideas on the controller) on refreshed silicon, benefitting from AMDs newer architecture. They don't need an Uber engineer for mediocrity.
If they would have doubled down on exclusives after buying up the universe they could have done just that
But they've done nothing short of sabotaging their consoles for the last several years - why would they try for another baby after clubbing their eldest son? It's madness

neutralgamer19924h ago

Crazy

Microsoft has made major moves in the gaming industry, investing over $75 billion—possibly closer to $80–85 billion—acquiring publishers like ZeniMax and Activision Blizzard, along with renowned studios such as Obsidian, Ninja Theory, and Playground Games. Once that level of investment came into play, Xbox could no longer remain a side project—it had to become a serious, profit-driven business.

One of the major shifts we’re seeing is how Microsoft is adapting its strategy. While Game Pass is a fantastic service—especially for Xbox and PC players—it simply isn’t a sustainable model on its own to fund the rising costs of AAA blockbuster game development. Most Xbox players enjoy their games through subscriptions rather than purchasing them outright, which limits revenue per title.

That’s why we’re now seeing Microsoft embrace a hybrid model: keeping Game Pass as a core service on Xbox and PC, while also releasing major titles on other platforms like PlayStation and the upcoming Nintendo Switch 2.

The results speak for themselves:

Forza Horizon 5, a flagship Xbox title, has become one of the best-selling games on PlayStation.

Gears of War: E-Day (Reloaded) is already charting as one of the top pre-ordered games on PSN.

The newly released Indiana Jones and the Great Circle has performed well.

And there are strong rumors that Microsoft is working to bring even more iconic Xbox titles—including Halo—to PlayStation.

Why? Because the PlayStation 5 install base is on track to hit 100 million within the next year. That’s simply too large a market to ignore, especially when trying to recoup the costs of massive development and acquisition budgets. The days of treating Xbox like a vanity project are over. This is now about business fundamentals: revenue, growth, and profit.

While exclusives still matter in some strategic cases, Microsoft is clearly evolving with the market. It’s no longer about pleasing a small group of fans demanding exclusivity—it’s about adapting to a new reality where cross-platform availability increases revenue, reach, and long-term sustainability.

In short, Microsoft is playing smart: keeping players happy on Game Pass while also capturing full-price sales from the largest gaming audiences worldwide. They’ve chosen growth over pride—and the numbers are backing that up

Profchaos3h ago

I think that stance really downplays what Ken kutaragi brought to the table with the ps1 and its development pipeline which was far easier to work with than any other system at the time including the jag, n64, 3d0

Because let's be honest Sony dominated hard with both the ps1 and ps2.

Ps1 dominated so did 2 but that was harder to dev for with the emotion engine but highly capable.

Its with the ps3 that Sony lost it and really its their only console they failed to get developers on board with and the reason that Ken stepped aside.

But really modern consoles mirroring pc hardware was inevitable consoles were originally made because pc hardware wasbt capable of things like smooth scrolling and as everything evolved consoles slowly morphed into PC's which is basically where we are at now but there's beauty in a consoles simplicity so I dont know what ms will do but making a windows console seems like a bad move many gamers dont want to play with settings they want plug and play and if you push pc to be a console you lose that simplicity and that will hurt

MajorLazer7h ago

I hope there's no focus on 8K. Current gen consoles aren't exactly setting the world alight with rock-solid 4K60 titles, nevermind 4K120. Focusing on 8K would be a waste.

ABizzel17h ago

UDNA is on track to be revealed Q2 2026, so the Xbox rumors from the Activision trail, might be true about them launching their console first to market with a holiday 2026 release date.

That being said UDNA will be a big improvement over the current Series Consoles, but I don’t think UDNA 1st-gen is going to be a huge upgrade over the RX 9000 performance wise. RX 9000 is on 4nm, and UDNA 1st-gen is supposed to be on 3nm (basically 4nm+).

The question I have is are they going to stick with a 2 console future. Are they dropping the high-end since Series S sold better? Are they making a higher-end platform and using the ASUS Xbox handheld PCs as the new Series S option, or are they making a middle ground that’s “affordable” and balances price:performance. Also, are they sticking with the Xbox-PC mentality we see with the ASUS handheld.

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dveio11h ago

I would like to be a fly on the wall during such negotiations.

RaidenBlack8h ago

"... Xbox consoles" ~ they're again gonna pull a Series S-v2 and handicap the next-gen's 2nd phase.

ABizzel16h ago

@RaidenBlack

Series S was a handicap primarily due to the RAM (it needed at least 12GB), but with Switch 2 and more handheld PCs it’s going to become a porting point for those platforms. So while it hurt development early on for Xbox, it’s now helping every other mobile platform…..which is great for everything else even if it doesn’t directly benefit MS, outside of their ASUS Xbox Handheld PC.

That being said, if they did do a Series SV2 I would hope they learned from their mistakes (they clearly didn’t learn from the PS3 or the GTX970 about split memory being awful for GPUs).

RAM
16GB is the will still be the minimum for the next 5+ years (12GB is starting to hit its limit), so that problem would be solved.

GPU
RDNA4 and/or UDNA are big improvements over RDNA2. Even staying at 20CUs like the Series S, the jump to RDNA 4 + clock speed would be around a 60% - 70% boost over the Series S, putting it around a RTX 2060 - RX 6600 performance, which is a much better result, even if it’s still below PS5/SX natively. However, the Switch 2 is showing was a superior upscaled can do, and having FSR4 would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over the PS5/SX, and would allow the SSV2to run PS5/SX games at native 1080p same High-Medium settings and FPS as those consoles in most games, but upscaled to 4K with better image quality than both of those consoles.

Price
Considering they raised all their console prices here’s where the issue comes into play. The above hardware would be fine, but if they can’t get it to $349 - $399 (the Series S is now $379 -_-), then why not get a digital PS5 starts to become the question for anything above $399. But if the global economy steady and back to normal what could anyone say bad about this platform at $349…?

anast6h ago

I was going to say this. lol

Obscure_Observer11h ago

HELL YEAH!!!!

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!

ALREADY GOT MY MONEY SAVED THANKS TO GAMEPASS!!!

dveio10h ago

You could have saved an additional 500 bucks. Just sayin.

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fr0sty7h ago

First to market with the weakest console of the new generation, half-baked and rushed. Then Sony comes around and shows them how it's done for the fifth time in a row.

Lightning776h ago

You said they weren't making another console? What happened? You types are wrong about everything all the time it's quite fascinating to watch actually.

fr0sty1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

I still say that... talking about releasing a console and actually releasing a console are 2 totally different things. The fact that they are only just now securing a partnership to manufacture the chips shows just how behind they are. Sony already had a deal with AMD worked out nearly a year ago ( https://www.theverge.com/20... MS already canceled plans to release their handheld ( https://www.laptopmag.com/g... , and instead are relying on other hardware manufacturers to make it for them. The same could be true with the console... MS taking the 3DO route and licensing the Xbox brand to other hardware manufacturers to make consoles for them, while also releasing their games on all the competing consoles, turning them into little more than a third party developer. Besides, that's quite rich coming from the folks who said MS games wouldn't be on PS5. You were also dead wrong about Xbox Series S holding back the generation and making multiplatform games worse on all platforms, developer after developer kept coming out proving you wrong, and you still wouldn't admit it. Just kept trying to move the goal posts...

blacktiger5h ago

You could PS6 and play Xbox games

bleedsoe9mm4h ago

you'll be able to play everything on Windows PC

fr0sty1h ago

for 3 times more money than a ps6.

__y2jb9m ago

I like the all caps and multiple exclamation points but I feel like you could have pumped up the current gen more. 6/10, good effort.

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darthv7210h ago

...already? Gen 10 is but 1-2 years away.

Profchaos8h ago

@raiden kind of but if they didn't rush rrod may not have happened and they could have turned a profit that generation

Also ps3 dropped the ball massively so the generation would of been theirs by default but rrod abd mattricks casual push killed them and gave Sony a opportunity to claw it back

fr0sty7h ago

@prof, don't underestimate how much developers finally getting a grasp on coding for the Cell processor also helped PS3 take the crown in the end.

Profchaos10h ago

Classic move if you're losing just start the next gen early look how that worked for dreamcast

RaidenBlack8h ago

but then again worked for X360

Lightning778h ago

I thought they weren't making a new gen though?

Chocoburger8h ago

At least the Dreamcast was an amazing system (still is!), the last two Xbox generations have been shameful.

ZycoFox4h ago

Except Dreamcast was a generational leap, majority of games looked just as good if not better than some PS2 titles. More than what can be said of Nintendo since the Wii.. plus an early launch worked well for the 360.

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RaidenBlack8h ago

Sony confirmed their partnership with AMD for PS6 ages ago.
With Xbox taking time, everybody was hoping they might try something new & different by going Nvidia route but guess they went with the boring AMD route again.

Lightning778h ago

Well Sony recently said that PS6 was top of their mind and are hard at work on it.

Next gen talk already we're 4 in a half years in the gen. 9th gen is easily the worse gen by far.

darthv728h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Almost 5 years in for PS and XB entries... Nintendo kicked off 9th gen back in 2017. MS and Sony were late because of the release of the Pro/One X consoles to extend their 8th gen presence. And in doing that is why the adoption rate for their 9th gen has been slower than the previous. Its also why crossgen is still a thing.

But like you said, 9th gen has been the worst, even in my 40+ years of gaming.

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