Gears of War Leaked?

Gears of War has been pirated and uploaded to an Xbox 360 binaries group on Usenet. The file clocks in at around 7.2 gigs in 157 parts, and will require someone with patience, bandwidth and no sense of morals to download.

Is it real? Nobody knows. While it is hard to imagine this being legit, it definitely represents a problem to the developers. We're surprised the feed didn't get the smackdown immediately, but trying to rollout a significant next-gen title might occupy most of your free time.

[joemutt]

That was proven before the sites even started reporting it. Dont waste your time, they didnt say what it was, but said it has nothing to do with GOW.

I will have the final version optimized for my 360 next month. There are plenty of games to keep me busy while I wait.

Oh, yeah mine is already paid for anyways.

[kmis87]

If that 7.2 gigs is right, then that means the game is getting close to hitting that 9 gig mark. If it is correct, does that lend credence to the dvd9 is insufficient argument?

[sparco]

Its means there was obviously enough space to fit all that they wanted on there. Why else would there be around 2gb left? Anyway, this is most likely to be a fake, and therefore not the actual size of the game.

[kmis87]

That would also mean that if the single player was 15 hours instead of 10 hours, there would be too much to fit on a single disc. Of course, it does appear that this is very much a fake.

[Donkey Slayer]

according to the articles

[power of Green]

Or will it mean we play games on two disc. If this BS is true, that is. Dam!!! this means Gow will look great and be way!!!! bigger than Oblivion. NOOOO!!! i can't live with out the Hours of Movies in the game. Oh! well i'll just be pressing start yelling bad words after the fisrt time seeing the CGI.

[kmis87]

A game like Oblivion or GTA, where any part of the game world can be accessed at any time wouldn't be able to be put on multiple discs. Games like Resident Evil, or Gears, or a FPS like Resistance can be put on multiple discs because once a certain point in the game is reached, the environments from the previous areas are no longer needed. Having multiple discs for a game like Gears would be little more than a minor inconvenience, but for other games it means the overall graphic quality must be reduced to fit the game on the disc. That is what I'm concerned about, and it is why I'm analyzing the disc size. Anyways, people who have claimed to have downloaded the file say it is not Gears like #1 says.

[G_CodeMonkey]

Way to screw over a company trying to bring great content. Geez, at least go rent the thing if you are too cheap to buy it (when it comes out, obviously). That definitely screwed over Valve. gCM

[Dancryer]

I would bet my prized 360 this so called file is a fake .... But you can bet that wont stop hundreds of people trying to find it as we speak.

[whateva]

if this keeps up Devs are not going to want to spend all that time making a game just so people can download it for free it killed the dreamcast and the xbox off

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You both are sadly mistaken. First of all this isnt confirmed. Second, if it was so what. File sizes decrease over time not increase. As devs get more used to the hardware and find better ways to optimize code and what not file sizes decrease.

[whateva]

I made no mistake that game will be Leaked just like ever other Xbox360 game I see it everyday so what are You talking about what mistake I made it will take longer to back up Blu-ray and dont that many people have them yet so it will be less pirated games plus the the new security in Blu-ray so tell me how was I mistaken?

[power of Green]

Oblivion's big enough with plenty of room to spare on DVD9. The game is still growing and is added to the HDD.

[D R Fz]

You notice how you said that the game is still growing and is added to the HDD. Is that really necessary when you could put it all on the same disc. But in the case of the dvd9, that is not possible, so what do you do? Rather than prove that the dvd9 is not enough for the next-gen material, why don't you just exclude a lot of material from the dvd9, say the game is only 4.something gigs then offer the missing components online as an optional download when in fact if it was on blu-ray, there would be no need to download the "extras" because... it all fits. Once again it goes to show the advantage of blu-ray over a regular dvd9. And if this news is confirmed, the size of the game could become a big problem for 360 because we are in the 3rd generation of games for the 360 which looks more or less like the 1st gen of games for the ps3. Now the problem is as we move on to the next gen of games, which will become bigger, does this mean that there will be a point where every 360 game requires two or more discs? If so, 360 is not future proof in anyway. I guess somebody, or some company should have did their homework. And if file size is not an issue, then why are we constantly in search of bigger storage devices? Hopefully the dvd9 issue will be solved in the xbox720 or maybe the next blu-ray add-on but until then, i'll just continue to look forward to the ps3 which won't need so many add-ons for me to enjoy next-gen material.

[drewdrakes]

daritefeacherz - read 10.2

Also, hard-drive is faster then any cd/dvd/next gen dvd rom will ever be, i dont care what you say, because you dont know what your talking about. By the time this gen ends, guess what, we will be downloading to hard-drives. So disc space will not matter. Loading from a disc and hard-drive is even better, because 2 instances of loading can be done at the same time, as the CPU's in the ps3 and 360 can handle it easily.

[sparco]

Do you not realise the 3rd gen 360 games have had the same development time as the ps3 1st gen games because the ps3 has come out so late? (was meant to be spring 06)

So therefore, if the games have had the same dev time, then thats why they look the same.
Understand?

[Silver360]

The Games we see this year and beginning next year are second gen games. Also remember the PS3 games might look as good as the 360 games only because developers are still learning how to use the gpu's intergrated architecture. As for games out growing the dvd 9 disc so what it is on two disc don't buy the game if you don't want to get up and change discs. No one is forcing you to buy a 360 so drop it.

[gsquad]

As we all know PS3 took a long time to finalize specs and to get out full development kits to developers therefore the lead time for development is not the same. The comparison is correct X360 2nd/3rd gen games compared to PS3 1st gen games. If PS3 had there full system specs and full development systems out to the public at the same time as the X360 had theirs out, you could make the argument that both the PS3 and the X360 have had the same developed time, but because the X360 had their development kits out a full year before the PS3 your augment is incorrect.

[power of Green]

whateva: Why do you care so passionatelly about Gow and the 360 when it's clear you hate the console with all you're being. PS3 will be an great console for PlayStation gamers.

[D R Fz]

i have a 360 and feel its a great system, but i do wonder with all the extra i have to pay to achieve next-gen capabilities in the form of add-ons, was the 500 worth it? Or should i have waited and purchased the ps3 first, then the 360 later down the line. Yet, its to late for me and i will continue to enjoy my 360, but i will leave this as a warning to other gamers who want to get in on the next-gen action. If you want your system to come with everything you need to enjoy the next-gen in all its glory, the 360 is a good deal but the ps3 is the better of the two. Rather than breaking your wallet to buy a $420 360 and $200 hd-dvd add-on, just buy the ps3 for $499. Its the best bargain there is.

[whateva]

when did I say PS3 will be an great console for PlayStation gamers this has nothing to do with PS3 I was talking about Blu-ray and dvds You are just mad because I made a good point and You had nothing better to say so You say I hate xbox360 FYI I play the XBOX360 all the time and I have like 3 xboxs so whats your point

[power of Green]

The dev's are adding time release Missions ect for Olbivion. The 360 is future proof in every way. Gamer's need more space because Sony/Sony-devs told them that, to sell their product. You say 360 games look like xbox games but yet the 360 games that have been in developement the same amount of time as PS3 games look better than PS3 games. Look i'm not going to get into a nerd fight with you MS will figure it out with the dev's and if you want to miss out on great games and service because the 360's built upgradable like you're PC thats that's on you.

[D R Fz]

If the 360 is built "upgradeable" because of the usb ports which allow for add-ons, then wouldn't the ps3 be upgradeable too because of its 6 usb ports? Therefore, the ps3 is still better because its upgradeable and does not need as many attachments as the 360 in order to be next-gen. Can't wait for gears of war though, It looks very promising.

[drewdrakes]

You will need space in the future. Its all due to textures. This is what someone will argue you. But guess what, the Xbox 360 is pretty future proof. You know all those fancy textures that the ps3 and 360 give you? Ya well, using what 360 has (procedural synthesis) the textures can be massively cut down in size. This is because the texture file isnt saved, the data on how the texture was created is saved, and at runtime, the texture is recreated. This greatly reduces size, of course. There is a german game that is a fully 3d FPS that is 98kb. You read that correctly 98 kilo-bytes. This is all through procedural synthesis. Its called "..Kreiger" i believe, or something to that effect.

P.S. Im sorry i made it sound like the PS3 doesnt have it, it does. I dont feel like rewriting stuff, this takes much less effort. But i dont feel they are using it (especially the devs of RFOM). But this is possible on _any_ system with enough power to create at runtime, and the devs for it taking the time to make procedural synthesis algorithms. Of course, this also speeds up load times, as the cpu does most of the work.

[DC RID3R]

talkin like blue-ray isn't already being sized up by the chinese MASTER pirates!!!!!!!

AS SOON as ps3 is released, SONY'S gonna lose millions straight away, due to the HEAVY pirating practices of CHINA!!!!

youv'e been WARNED!!!!

[Seafort]

Not as much as xbox360 is right now.
I could dl and burn a working x360 game now.
I dont have a x360 so im not gonna do it but the choice is there for me.
I dont see any ps3 games being pirated in the near future.
The bd-dvd has to be cracked first to give u a working image then if any bd-dvd writers are out there at the time u might be able to burn a blu-ray game if u are very lucky and rich.

Atm the x360 uses current tech and is easy to pirate for.
I think same for wii too but not sure if nintendo will change the dvds to their liking to make it harder to crack.
the ps3 will be the hardest to crack. it might take a few years till we see blu-ray images on scene.

[sparco]

You're forgetting that the ps3 is built to be like a computer, therefore easier to hack. Whereas i dont see much of a problem with piratingon the 360 at the moment beacuse the modchip people are having a bit of trouble getting everything how they want it.

[shotty]

Your forgetting that games can be saved on internal harddrive and run off that. Maybe even put the games on multiple DVDs if they need to.

[power of Green]

http://www.gamesfirst.com/?... You be the judge. PS3 fans have been on the attack because of X06 i'm surprized they have kept they mouths shut as long as they have. More space is needed for the Playstation 3 & for sales, CGI all their fans come to love. Like i said let the Pro's/MS figure it out and let the 360 fans pay more for add-ons in peace. Add-ons? there's just the dvd player.

[calderra]

I have no idea what I'm talking about but the above viewpoints offend me, despite me not knowing **** about what I'm trying to be offended about!

Insult!
Verbal Riposte to previous comment!
Insuinuation on your heritage!
Question regarding your sexuality!

MUHAHAHAH! Eat it internet weaklings!

[See how stupid that is? Think on that and take an STFU pill, please.]

[FadeToBlack]

Since when was this topic about DVD9 vs Bluray? I thought it was about a rumored leaked version of GOW. You fanboys are worse than politians.

[Aramis001]

And nobody's THAT bad.

[specialguest]

157 parts to download sure is a hell of a lot of work! if it is fake, then 157 parts was done on purpose to teach the pirates a lesson for being cheap.

[whateva]

all you have to do is download One torrent and all 157 rar files download 1 click of the mouse and you have the iso burn and your done

[Mikey_Gee]

I have no desier to HACK my 360 and get kicked off of XBL. Plus, I want the actual game in my hand, no some hacked version of it.

Auto updates and add ons are an option I am not willing to give up.

[Geohound]

would anybody here be seriously bothered with a game being on two disc? Resident Evil 4 for the gamecube was, nobody said a thing. Who cares? Two disc makes me feel like I'm getting more for my money anyway.

Yeah, things like this happen all the time on torrents and usenet. Next you'll see Halo 3.

[The BS Police]

I remember sometime before thir respected re;ease dates GTA: Dan Andreas and Halo 2 were leaked, Microsoft and Bungie threatened Legal Action against the ones who maide Halo 2 avaialble but in the end neither leaks affected both games sales.

[DJ]

The DVD discs used for 360 games are only allowed to use up 7.9GB for game data. The rest of the disc is off limits due to security purposes. The same thing happened with PS2 and Xbox titles last generation. It's why you never saw games go over the 4.2 GB limit, despite being printed on a disc that has 4.7 GB of space.

[beans]

I have know problem whatsoever with 2-discs! And as a matter a fact I bet you guys that we will see a PS3 bluray game on 2 discs before we see one on 360 anyway! Really as long as Gears of War draws me into it's world and gives me hours of relief from reality im ok with 1,2,3,or 4 discs! This pirate issue really annoys me but then again I could care less because I would much rather buy the full completed game!

[Mikey_Gee]

so what!!

Remember Riven and Myth.

not like you will be swapping discs every hour.

grow up

[kmis87]

If Gears was two disks it wouldn't matter at all. But if, theoretically, GTA Vice City had been two discs and you had to switch every time you went from one island to the other, then that would totally suck. Thats the real problem with multi-disc games; some games are just less fun if they won't fit on one disc.

[TheMART]

First off, the open world games are mostly not the biggest games seen in data. Probably because the way it is build up, but just look at the past and look at Oblivion.

Furthermore, swapping discs is not the near future.

last gen started at games under 2 GB and ended up on 98% of the games on 3 to 4 GB max. That grew in five years time.

Now project that on this new gen.

Starts on SL-DVD on almost all games. It'll end up on DL-DVD for 99% of all games. And that 1% will just be games perfectly to use swapping. And don't forget. Maybe the external HD-DVD won't use HD-DVD discs to run games, but it might play the 2nd DL-DVD disc on two disc games perfectly

Didn't think about that option huh?!

[kmis87]

First off, I expect the open world, "sandbox," games to be bigger, have better graphics, and to show more variance than they have this past generation. I expect that to take up more space. I don't know how much space that would be, and neither do you for that matter. All I was doing was speculating based on the speculated size of this game, which turned out to be an inaccurate number anyway. I, for one, predict that the textures needed to make high definition games visually appealling will require more disc space. I think that if a game like San Andreas was redone as next gen, with high definition textures, better and more varying car and character models, and other graphical enhancements it would logically take up more space than was used in last gen games.

I love the way you mention a potential use of the HD-DVD add on. I thought you loved how the addon was something extra not required for playing games, like a hard drive. Remember saying "Thank you Microsoft" about how you had the choice to buy an HD movie player separate from the console itself. Now you're saying you hope it can be used for gaming, thereby making the games inferior on the system without the addon? I love how the 360 gives you choices, but not the choice to buy everything in once package! Whatever, MART. Personally, I'll just eliminate the risk and get all 3 consoles and enjoy all the "lame programming" you always complain about on my ps3 games.

[TheMART]

Well, the old games were in 480p. This gen it's in 720p (few games in 1080p but no one owns a 1080p tv).

720p is not double the quality and data of 480p. Furthermore there is multiple reading where programmers state this also.

And yeah games like GTA could use more data. But double the amount of last gen? Don't think so.

Again you're not reading right. The HD-DVD isn't a must have if DL-DVD's are used for games. You have the option with 1% of the games that are too small for DL-DVD's. That is or changing the disc with the internal DVD player, or put one in the internal one and one in the HD-DVD add on. And read right furthermore, that's what I think is logical to do. It's not like MS will implement it.

One could get all the three consoles. One could also use the 1.000+ dollars one will spend on a PS with games and extra hardware on games for the 360 or Wii60. Much better option. Specially seen exclusives like Lost Planet, Bioshock and Gears of War

[silent ninja]

if you think swapping discs is a problem then you simply LAZY

i don't know about you guys but when i play games i usually change them 3 times since i play different games....and i have no problem with it now those that can't manged this then you have issues

[Donkey Slayer]

should only be 15kb of data.. What happened. Every gen is supposed to take up less space not more according to the rabid fanboys..

Oh wait, that has never NEVER been the case.

[Stone Cold SA]

It's not a big deal that anyone should have to swap disks, however it looks bad for a FPS to have to change disks and if this is signs of things to come, it definetly justifies the need for Blu Ray!

[TheMART]

Again for you the same answer

First off, the open world games are mostly not the biggest games seen in data. Probably because the way it is build up, but just look at the past and look at Oblivion.

Furthermore, swapping discs is not the near future.

last gen started at games under 2 GB and ended up on 98% of the games on 3 to 4 GB max. That grew in five years time.

Now project that on this new gen.

Starts on SL-DVD on almost all games. It'll end up on DL-DVD for 99% of all games. And that 1% will just be games perfectly to use swapping. And don't forget. Maybe the external HD-DVD won't use HD-DVD discs to run games, but it might play the 2nd DL-DVD disc on two disc games perfectly

Didn't think about that option huh?!

Only having one game that needs a larger disc then one DL-DVD doesn't justify non standard hardware that did add about 200 to 300 dollar to the costprice of a console.

For my XBOX 1 I owe many games. Only one is DL-DVD, that is Ralli Sport Challenge 2 with about 6 GB's.

And compare Doom 3 and the game Terminator 3. Now tell me which was the best game. I'll help anyone that hasn't played them both, it was Doom 3 hands down. Fitting on a SL-DVD. Terminator 3? Worst game of almost all times. And about double the data of Doom 3 on disc.

So more space/more data better game? For sure not, just lame programming. 22 GB Resistance? Lame programming. Gears of War on a DL-DVD? Having NO resistance at all from any other shooter

[Stone Cold SA]

You didin't think about this, that 1% of games on the 360 that uses more than 1 disk will no doubt be there biggest and baddest games lol lol lol lol that's not to good looking is it for, so stupid, secondly that is so moron like that you being a PS3 hater would say that about Resistance Fall of man lol, please if you can't justlfy what you are saying, don't bother saying it, it's worthless!

[Mikey_Gee]

QUOTE FROM MART
Well, the old games were in 480p. This gen it's in 720p (few games in 1080p but no one owns a 1080p tv).
END QUOTE
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Kind of a blind statement to say that nobody has a 1080p HD TV.

You may want to do a search on the "AVS" forums
The new Sony A2000 and XBR2's (in LCOS or sony calls it SXRD) are all 1080p in and out and YES ... some of us SO INDEED have them (or are getting then before Christmas)
And Sony IS NOT the only 1080p TV's out right now
The PS3 will look killer on it and since it accepts 1080 X 1920 over the VGA port on the TV, my 360 with the new fall upgrade to 1080p will be VERY VERY nice indeed.
So not to knock you dude ... but blanket statements never work out well.

[TheMART]

With no one I meant the mass won't own it in the next 5 years. For real. People are just switching now from CRT to 720p native HDTV's. They won't buy a 1080p model soon. 1080p TV's cost about 4.000 dollar/euro right now. Even if they drop in price 50% and 720p models do also, people get the best quality/price, which are the 720p tv's. Only a very, very small group of people will own 1080p native TV's. How many PS3 games are there running in 1080p? Right.

For 360 also, it's fun they enabled it for the fanboys from both sides that are graphic whores, but for real. Demanding games on any console this new gen will be 720p. Only a few games, the more simple ones now at launch and lateron just a few simple ones will use 1080p.

Like the original XBOX also could do 720p native games but there were not so many and most of them weren't the best ones. The rest was in 480p.

The same will be this new gen. Almost all in 720p and a few in 1080p. Just like the disc size. All will fit on a DL-DVD just a very small minority may not. ANd then they have to be good ones also, not like the Doom 3 - Terminator 3 debacle.

So Sony fanboys stop trying.

Gears of War already out in the open? Don't think so. Does it fit on a DL-DVD? Yes it does. ANd it kicks the ars of resistance so hard which is just COD3 with some aliens added. And BTW COD3 looks better

[hamburgerhill]

After reading through a few of these F*cking post's it's pretty d*mn obvious that you Sony fan B!tches will stoop to any low to try and knock the 360! It's not happening and it won't work because we true gamers know that deep down inside the PS3 will not live up to it's hype! How in the F*cks sake can 360 run Assasins Creed better than the PS3 and why does 360 have a much more interesting line up of games? Face the facts Rock and slayer that 360 will destroy PS3 in the long run and im not talking about numbers because they don't mean sh!t and never have! I want quality something that MS always delivers on and not a bunch of hype japanfest mess! I hope that the airheads on this site can think for themselves and see what Sony fans are trying to do! 360 is by far the best f*cking system to set foot into the market and will continue down that road until the XBox 3! What is so d*mn hard to understand and why fear the truth you pizz ants! After GOW games will change and yes Motostorm looks good but will be surpassed in know time at all by games like Alan Wake and im sure to be announced soon Rallisport 360! And just so you know all of my buddies that used to suck up to Sony either have now or are getting 360's for christmas b!tches! People don't listen to Sony fans because they are bad for the industry! If it went there way it would be only Sony on the market and I for one would never play a videogame again! I think i've said enough and hope the worst for the crap azz PS3!

[Donkey Slayer]

Your post make me chuckle. They are of course complete nonsense, but I know that is your intent :)

[Stone Cold SA]

Lol that is the funniest thing i have read on this site in ages please i wish you had more bubbles so you could amuse us about you paranoia about how the 360 is doomed and is gonna fail lol, so hillarious. But let's be serious for a second here, PS3 has a better line up of games, it's a better quality system hands down, so please take your jealous petty pathetic, loser comments else where and shove them up your a*s where they belong, you are a crying little bi*ch you are and MS ownes you and PS3 ownes MS, so really you are laying down to Sony lol lol lol lol hahahaha, poor sad misguided fanboy lol muwhahahahaha muwhahahahaha!

[sparco]

Here you are again with you're sad and fanboyish comments. Please grow up and learn to post youre oppinions maturely. The guy that said you were 7 earlier, is probably right.

Where did you get the idea that the PS3 has a better line up of games? It has 2 (exclusive) decent games coming out, MGS4 and Resistance. And thats it. Im not a fanboy for anyone. I simply enjoy games whatever console they are on. But look at the games coming out, and already out on the 360. Saints Row, Halo 3, GoW, Splinter Double Agent (not exclusive but better than other systems), Assasins Creed, Crackdown, Shadowrun, Crossfire, Banjo Kazooie (i love it lol) Splinter Cell 5 (exclusive, Forza 2, PGR4, Halo Wars, Kane and Lynch, GTA 4 (with exclusive story downloads), Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, The Darkness, Alan Wake, Fable 2, Fear, Fusion Frenzy 2, DOA extreme2, Mass Effect, Bio Shock, Winning Eleven: Pro Evo 7, COD 3, John Woo Presents: Stranglehold, Rainbow Six Vegas, Lost Odysey, + all the games that Peter jackson will be creating (including further Halo games)

When i look at that list of games i think Wow. ive never seen such an amazing line up. I know not all of them are 360 exclusives, but having the exclusives + the multiplatform makes this console the one to buy in my oppinion. If you can give me a list of PS3 games that beat that, then do, but i highly doubt you'll b able to. I will most likely buy a PS3 at some point, but if i was to buy one now, there would only be two or three games that appeal to me. And it would be pointless.

[Stone Cold SA]

They way u feel about PS3 is exactely how i feel about Xbox 360, if you can give me a list of games better than the PS3 i'll be shocked, i have never seen such an amazing line up of games for any console and Fear is on PS3 as is Fear 2, COD 3, Pro Evo is not exclusive to Xbox 360 and Doa and Forzra are beat by GT 5 and VF5 anf tekken 6, so please that's your opinion, nobody elses, certainly not mines!

You state at the bottom it has 2 or 3 games that apeal to you, you are making it sound like i'm trying to get you to buy a PS3, proably like you are trying to make me get a 360 and you are basically saying that your opinion is superior to anybody elses by mouthing off about how you think the PS3 line up is inferior to the 360's , because clearely that's a matter of opinion, do you understand what i'm saying?

[sparco]

I know what you're saing Rock m8. But the small list you just gave is nowhere near as good at the 360's list. Tekken was great back in its day. GT HD will not beat Forza2 (IMO) Fear 2 may be pretty good, i aggree with ya there, and i never said Pro Evo is exclusive to 360. In that last message I was simply trying to say that having the 360/Vista exclusives (GoW, Halo3, Crackdown, Shadowrun, halo Wars, Crossfire, Banjo Kazooie, Splinter Cell 5, Forza2, Lost Planet, Lost Odysey, Fable2, The Darkness) AND a few multiplatform (Splinter Cell: DA, Pro Evo, Fifa 07, FEAR, Rainbow Six Vegas) games makes the 360 the one to buy (for now). Maybe the PS3 will come up with some more games in the future; and if it does, i will buy 1. Im not trying to make you buy a 360, im just trying to show how much better the 360's line-up is.

See, i much more enjoy talking with you maturely. Please dont post any more "fanboyish" comments. You'll get more respect from from me and everyone else that way. thanks :)

[FeralPhoenix]

I see people want to create there own reality, but just cause you believe something doesn't make it true....NO, its just another MYTH.

Myth: All 1080p games will look better than 720p games........NO even Sony's exec. Phil Harrison said some games look better in 720p.

Myth: DVD9 will not be sufficient storage space for games this generation.......the fact is that there are "great next gen games" on DVD9 right now, and "great next gen games" like GOW soon to be released on DVD9. So far there's no hard evidence to suggest that any game on the PS3 can't be compressed and done on the 360, especially when the multi-platform titles are not having any problems.

Myth: Games made on 2+ disc's aren't as good......NO even if 2 discs are needed in the future, most people don't mind anyway, claiming that this will make the game worst as far as graphics or gameplay is weak considering the great multi-disc games of the past.

Myth: More space = better games........NO it could be an awesome 50 gig game or just 50 gigs of crap.

[Daewoodrow]

not only am I sure the game is fake, i'm also sure that even if they had found an advanced copy, and they had somehow found a way of making it work on a 360, the game would not be taking up 7.6 gigs on the real disk. Because the compression techniques used by games companies are far better than anything a two bit hacker could use. And i have no idea why people are calling GOW short, either. A ten hour game will take me months to finish. If you're the kind of person who gets a game and sits down until it's finished, then it's your fault if it's over too soon.

[UNREAL-T]

so what! i don't care about how much space GOW need, whateva, i cant wait to play GOW and i cant wait to have a ps3 on my hands.

I LOVE SONYMICROSOFT. GAMER 4 EVER! HELL YEAH.

[UNREAL-T]

I think that's y M$ will add a Blu-ray on 360.(in the future).

[Daewoodrow]

you mean an add on right? Because the odds of an inbuilt HD-DVD drive are slim, an inbuilt Bluray drive is total fantasy.

[Daytona]

One day a possible internal HD-DVD drive sure but that's in the future, maybe 3 yrs.or so.

[unleash bass]

This GoW is undoubtedly fake! Don't waste your time with this.

And this PS3 Vs 360 crap! that seems to be being posted here, god only knows why, it's supposed to be post about GOW, but...

AS has already been pointed out, all this is a matter of opinion and here's my take on it. First and foremost I'm a gammer and have been for way too long. I've owned just about every console ever by every manufacturer. For my money the 360 has by far the best potential line up of games. you know what they are so I'm not going to list them. I've no doubt that the PS3 will be fantastic (eventually). Trouble is it's playing catch up. While the PS3 is knocking out it first (relatively crap first gen software) the 360 is now in the zone (3rd gen software. As a gammer the 360 is the one to have at the moment, the games are comming into their own and 'live' is proven. I'm sure that the PS3 will catch up and more than likely over take the 360 at some point, but that will take probably the best part of two years. This is when the PS3 will be just nothing short of amazing and I'll rush out and buy one! For the time being there's just not enough top games to justify paying so much money for one. Given a year or two, there maybe a price drop and they'll be readily available anywhere. So, stop slagging each other most of the true gammers will have both machine's if not all three. Competition is a good thing for the gammer. They push each other to make bigger and better games and better more powerful machine. Get your heads out of yer *SS!

[THAMMER1]

I've reserved it an and will bick it up 11/07/06. Bootleg games are wack just buy used if your broke.

The 360 vs PS3 thing is old and lame. Its great that the PS3 uses BR, and if we have to use 2 DVD9's for the great 360 games coming out then so be it.

No one really knows what it will be like for real. Evry one is just guysing and looking dumb. If the PS3 turns out to be great I will buy one if it flops I'm glad to own a console the did not the 360.

Gears of war is going to rock. 10 hours of single player/co-op. Unlimited xbl multi player, the best use of the unreal ingine, a chinsaw machine gun. As a gamer PS3 fan or 360 fan this game should look good to you. And really if there is not enough PS3 around for a while just pick up a 360 to get over the dry spell and stop being such wet blankets.

[Trickedbullet]

What is the resolution for 1080p? I dont even use an HDTV for my 360, only my old 21" pc monitor from like 1999 for $230 at the time. It works great for 720p gaming.

[Daytona]

It seems to look a bit clearer on my TV than my 720p setting does.