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Microsoft refutes developer claims that Windows 8 is bad for gaming

GamesBeat writes: While Microsoft is hard at work trying to sell the idea of Windows 8 as a great gaming platform, some developers are still not convinced.

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Tolkoto4709d ago

People just hate those even numbered Windows.

Sadie21004709d ago

Windows 2000 was gr--...OK, you're right.

Christopher4709d ago

Yeah, finish that statement and see if I don't suddenly invent a way to smack people on the Internet :P

Christopher4709d ago

Technically, both can be right.

First, Valve et al are right that a built-in storefront and focus on a Windows-derived storefront will make it harder for companies like Valve and EA who use their own store fronts with their own pros and cons. Much like the Android and iTunes storefronts, it will create a 'trusted' portal for the majority of users and will be something that third-party developers won't be able to ignore and will make competition very hard to do when the OS has built-in advertising for a specific store front option over all others. All while doing this Microsoft will be making money off of this built-in method and taking it away from existing store front platforms.

But, Microsoft is also right that a centralized store front with a set of specific rules and known standards for distributing software as a whole as well as easily accessible to a much wider audience because it is cooked into the OS as a feature will allow it to reach new gamers, a single place for all your gaming needs, and more. It may even bring in new gamers into the PC market who previously had focused on consoles only or didn't know about the type of games available to them because they focused on mobile gaming or the like.

nukeitall4709d ago

You are right.

This is bad for companies like EA and Valve who try to push their own store so they have their own agenda.

On the other hand, what is good for consumer is typically one place to buy stuff. I don't want to choose from Valve, Origin, Games for Windows, Stardock and so on.

That said, I really see this as a positive step. If the app store is good, then we use that. If the app store is bad, then we can still use Valve, Origin or whatever. They all still work on desktop version of Windows 8. So therefore nothings changed and there is just more competition.

Christopher4709d ago

I wouldn't say it's good for the consumer, actually. It means less competition for the customer if companies like Valve and EA are pushed out of the way. Less competition is never good.

Think about it. Will Microsoft have the same sales as Steam? Will they offer the same community features and mods as Steam?

LAZL0-Panaflex4709d ago

Windows 8....the death of xbox.

...and microsoft.

yesmynameissumo4709d ago

What else are they going to say?

Crazyglues4709d ago (Edited 4709d ago )

My thoughts exactly, I mean what else can they say, but it's good.. -they are trying to sell Windows 8

They really have no choice but to say it's good. -even if it's a complete turd, didn't they say the same exact thing about Vista... LoL

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LAZL0-Panaflex4709d ago

Vista bbbbbllooooooooowzzzz

user54670074709d ago (Edited 4709d ago )

Oh so Gabe Newell, Notch, John Carmack and Rob Pardo are bullcrapping us...people who specialise in PC gaming...right ¬¬

Typical MS

"They're wrong because we SAID they're wrong"

They should at least be talking to these people to find out whats wrong to make Windows 8 better. I mean these guys who have called it are big names when it comes to PC gaming.

I mean it's not like they are trying to disprove these criticisms, for example

"Gabe is wrong BECAUSE..."

R_aVe_N4709d ago

You expect them to say "They are right it is horrible to develope for" that would be career destruction at its finest.

JBSleek4709d ago

Windows 8 isn't bad for PC gaming at all. One can't name one thing wrong with Windows 8 on the gaming side as it is Windows 7 with Metro skinned on top of it.

Gabe and company are worried about Windows Store and Live integration as it is a threat. Windows 8 is more optimized so actually it would be better for PC gaming.

They can still have their desktop applications that don't change anything. Steam and Blizzard can still run their programs no problem but what is a problem is that ARM devices are void of these and Microsoft will have their own store which will be the place for games.

This is just like Acer and others being upset that MSFT has the Surface tablet because it poses a threat to them not because it is bad.

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Xbox Mass layoffs Are Expected To Hit On July 2, 2025

The previously rumored mass layoffs at Xbox are expected to happen on Wednesday, July 2, 2025, according to a new rumor.

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lukasmain4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

They will have fired close to 20,000 people all up after this round of lay-offs coming, since the ABK deal announcement in January 2022. Shocking really

January 2023:
Microsoft laid off 10,000 employees, which was a significant workforce reduction.

January 2024:
Approximately 1,900 gaming employees were laid off following the Activision Blizzard acquisition.

May 2025:
Microsoft announced a further 6,000 layoffs as part of an organizational shift.

June 2025:
Additional layoffs, including 650 in the gaming business, focused on corporate and support functions

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Obscure_Observer3h ago

"They will have fired close to 20,000 people all up after this round of lay-offs coming, since the ABK deal announcement in January 2022. Shocking really"

It's not that shocking considering these numbers aren't just Xbox numbers as you're deliberately trying to make it seem for some reason.

Interestingly, another no shocking fact is that whenever Microsoft releases its quarterly earnings reports, you're quick to point out that those numbers aren't exclusive to Xbox. Yeah... go figure.

Ganif1h ago

They also fired around 2500 people across Microsoft's gaming divisions and Zenimax shortly after buying it, and before they closed down 4 studios including Arkane and Tango.

I remember Satya boasting about how compassionate he was for splitting the list 50/50 across the two companies.

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Hereandthere2h ago

Let's hope its not as bad as socials are making it, good luck to those that unfortunately lose their jobs.

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Lightning771h ago

Could be not as bad could be horrible. But it's Ms so I'm expecting the absolute worst.

-Foxtrot1h ago

Sometimes I feel like they brought in Sarah to take the heat away from Phil.

Phil has always stuck his nose into everything Xbox related when it's something positive or at least neutral but as soon as they went the multiplatform root he's stood back and let Sarah do most of the talking in terms of PR. Now they are doing the same with layoffs.

The person who should be let go is Phil himself.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy012d ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN1d 5h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga1d 4h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid6381d 3h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein1d 2h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

GamerRN21h ago

Majority of Gamepass users are currently on console...

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crazyCoconuts1d 3h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark1d 14h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils3d ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent752d ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils1d 23h ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai4d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning774d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher3d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor3d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde3d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z2d ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey862d ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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