Killzone 2 Being Rushed Is Pure Speculation

Silence leaves much doubt and speculation in the minds of many. Shane Bettenhausen of 1UP took it upon himself to unleash one hell of a rumor on the latest episode of the 1UP Yours Podcast. He mentions that he heard, "Killzone 2 will come out in 2008 no matter what the quality". Which implies that the game will be forced into our hands whether it's ready or not.

Killzone.com community forum leader, [Guerrilla]-E0N had something to say about that.
"Speculation on a rumor based on gossip?
We have consistently refused to advance a release date, so any discussion of a date is in the realms of pure speculation, don't you think?"

[gamesR4fun]

man their podcast suck rock just like the rest of the site why anyone cares what they say is beyond me.

[blacsheep]

because insomniac(has a company ever had a more fitting name?),have given sony a trump card and also given guerilla games more time on their ultra ambitious k2.

resistance 2

which for many has leapfrogged k2 into most wanted,and knowing how amazingly talented insomniac are sony have a huge hit on their hands which will more than tide us over until guerilla are finished to a point that their more than proud of k2

and i agree 1up sucks for a gaming site to spread unfounded rumours is beyond me 1up are the biggest fanboys of this generation

[Lord Cheese]

i think i must be in a minority here, but i really didnt rate RFOM at all. I've not finished it yet, but i'm more inclined to re-play games i've already finished than bother completing it.

It just played (for me at least) like an average cod2 clone with wierd alien weapons. Graphics were ok (not groundbreaking, but it was early in the ps3's life so thats to be expected) and the story (what i've seen of it at least) was clever but not earthshattering.

I'm definately more interested in kz2 than RFOM2, but i'm keeping an open mind on it - although i'm losing interest in fps' now, i'd rather play a game of gears :OP

[Rocko]

Don't cry because something negative was said about a PS3 game.

EDIT: Holy sh*t, do I have someone stalking me via N4G? I swear, everytime I comment theres a disagree literally 2 seconds later.

[CeruleanSky]

"It just played (for me at least) like an average cod2 clone with wierd alien weapons. Graphics were ok (not groundbreaking, but it was early in the ps3's life so thats to be expected) and the story (what i've seen of it at least) was clever but not earthshattering.

I'm definately more interested in kz2 than RFOM2, but i'm keeping an open mind on it - although i'm losing interest in fps' now, i'd rather play a game of gears :OP"

That sound you hear is gamers laughing their asses off at the pathetic little fanboy...

[Lord Cheese]

I take offence at that comment. I was making a point about my own opinion. I wasnt trying to convince anyone that my opinion was right, i wasnt ranting without basis, and i certainly wasnt slagging anything off - its personal opinion, nothing more. Its the mark of a fanboy when you cant accept that someone in the world doesnt idolise the a game on your precious console, and that someones opinion is different to yours.

So i prefer gears of war to resistance. I'm sure plenty of ps3 owners do, as i am sure that plenty prefer resistance to gears (i'll freely admit the latter is more than likely the majority). If to say so is something you feel indicates fanboyism, then you are seriously deluded.

I dont want to be pigeon holed with people like you. Quite frankly most of your comments are just drivel. Its just a shame you dont realise it or maybe you'd not bother commenting in the first place and save us all the trouble.

[InMyOpinion]

This is not the place to be levelheaded. I thought your critizism was justified, and as you said it's just your opinion. If you bashed Halo 3 you would probably get lots of 'agrees', but critizising a PS3 game is clearly not accepted(in any way).

It's very absurd since Halo 3 has an 94/100 average(94% at gamerankings) based on 78 reviews(all biased I guess) on Metacritic and RFOM has 86/100 average(86.6% at gamerankings) based on 69 reviews(biased too of course). Still, there's an outcry among fanboys everytime you state that you think Halo 3 is a great game.

I have played both games and I agree with the 147 reviews that Halo 3 is more fun, but at the same time I can accept that some prefer RFOM instead.

On topic - KZ2 is the last game I can come to think of that will be rushed. What were 1up thinking?

[Lifendz]

to spend so much on a game, to practically employ an entire town of devs to focus on it, to possibly make this a flagship title, to then turn around and rush it out before it's ready? C'mon Shane, that's just plain stupid. And yeah, Sony has made mistakes but not even they are capable of something this stupid.

[InYourMom]

You are spot on with your analysis of RFOM. It was an average shooter at best. All the disagrees are just people in denial.

RFOM 2 better bring it big time when it comes to graphics and gameplay if they want to compete in the FPS genre.

[TheXgamerLive]

KZ2, MGS4, these titles have been in the works since 2004. 4 years now, hell these titles should look like gold when they come out based on production times.

Rushed? No, they have had plenty of time, so if the game/s look bad in any way then it's just due to the hardware/inherent flaws of the system and not rushed at all.

I think KZ2 will be a good game, but the AI hasn't been good, hopefully that's fixed, same with MGS4 actually.

Given 4 plus years in production, maybe 5 years by the time they come out, there shouldn't be anything wrong with either of these titles I mean how long is sony and co. going to take to make a playable game for the ps3?

We'll see.

[JsonHenry]

I like how the guy never really answered the question with a yes or no.

But at the same time I don't see how a game can be "rushed" when work on it started well over 2 1/2 years ago...

[lawman1108]

So why rush it?

[rogimusprime]

Half of this site is speculation...at least

I haven't gone one day without seeing an article posted with a question mark at the end.

[games4fun]

there are now 29 disagrees i think its not that your being stalked its that what you post shows your an ignoramus

[INehalemEXI]

Lol@ 1up , KZ2 looks masterfull everytime i see it. Thats not what I would call a rushed game.

The fact you don't get alot of updates on the game tells me the opposite. That its a kin in quality standards to FF13 or MGS4 its h4wt sh1t. Not to be taken lightly.

[neogeo]

"i think i must be in a minority here, but i really didnt rate RFOM at all. I've not finished it yet"

I disagreed and took a bubble away from you, not because of what you
said, but because you never finished RFOM but still rated it! I will be honest. I have only played Halo3 for about 15 minuets, and I hated it.

I did not come on this site and flame the game because I did not play all the way through so.. In fact I have NO right to judge Halo3 into I have played all the way to the end.

As for RFOM the very last parts of the game are what make it a truly AAA game. Thats the way insomniac makes games. They start of slow and build you up to near the end so you walk away happy. Unlike some games where they blow there wad on level 1 and they rest of the game is bunk.

(I respect anyone that does not like a game that I may love, but I have no respect for someone that plays a game for 5 minuets and then rates it like 1up does. If your not willing to play all the way through the game then you automatically waive you rights to judge it.)

[CeruleanSky]

No on but Xbox fanboys give a damn about 1Up anymore. The site's only purpose anymore is:

1) Hype anything Halo related 24/7/365
2) Hand out 9 or 10/10 scores to 360 games
3) Trash PS3 and Wii games
4) Get Xbox fanboys working at 1Up hired away to Microsoft or one of its first party developers by doing 1-3

The Xbots at 1Up are probably already brainstorming on how they are going to trash Killzone 2 when it comes out this year.

Hopefully Sony gets a clue and doesn't foolishly send off a copy of KZ2 so some pathetic Xbox at 1Up can write the inevitable "didn't live up to teh hype" "not as good as teh Halo" "graphics aren't as good as Gears of War" garbage everyone has come to expect from them.

[radzy]

i love the 1up podcast . the best podcast for videogames.
luke smith loves the xbox 360 and he used to argue with shane who loves the ps3. every body argues with shane over the ps3 because of his blind faith in the ps3.
now for this statement to come from shane , then there is something to it. he also said that resistence 2 is gonna be better than killzone 2.
i cant see killzone 2 being anywhere near as good as call of duty 4.
call of duty 4 has set the standard for a shooter.

[FirstknighT]

Waaa* Waaaaa*

[jwatt]

Yea I actually watched the whole podcast all shane said on his predictions was that Kilzone 2 will undewelm and Resistance 2 will overwelm.

[InYourMom]

booohoooooo

It's all a big conspiracy against your poor PS3. You probably spend more of your time making up BS about Xbots then you do playing your PS3.

[smokeandapancake]

1up Yours is an audio podcast. And the quote is correct.

[crunchie101]

what on earth are you guys listening to, 'cause in the 1up podcast i listen there's nothing but pure, unbiased opinion. Perhaps if you'd actually listened to the podcast you would have heard them having a go at quite a few 360 games, including Ninja Gaiden II, a 360 exclusive.

[CeruleanSky]

"there's nothing but pure, unbiased opinion."

LOL!

1UP, the site that actually was so pathetically desperate to hype Halo 3 and trash Killzone 2 they actually invented an 'Best AI Award' out of the blue and shockingly! gave the top prize to Halo 3 and Killzone 2 was shockingly! put at the bottom of the list even though:

1) Killzone 2 was still a year away from shipping

2) The only demos of Killzone 2 were nothing more than graphics showcases to demonstrate that they had mad the same quality of the first Killzone 2 trailer

3) People have made videos and articles mocking Halo 3's AI as some of the worst of any FPS in 2007

What a bunch of pathetic losers.

[Lord Cheese]

What a dumbass fanboy you are. "People have made videos mocking halo 3's AI" - oh my god. Not VIDEOS! It must be true if people have made youtube videos.

Get a life mate. Whats the point in bashing other games? Are you completely incapable of judging a game on its own merits rather than trying to big it up by comparing it to games on another console and deliberately trying to discredit them?

Have you noticed how so many sony fankids spend half their lives suggesting websites are biased against their favorite george foreman grill? (i have a ps3, and love it, but i'm not foolish enough to think that thing aint DAMN ugly) Fact is, if you dont agree or rate the opinion of a website, dont damn well read it any more. Dont spray fanboy verbal diarrohea all over n4g trying to make our that ps3 owners are some sort of persecuted minority.

Edit: blacsheepxx - fair play about the look of the ps3. I can see how people would like it, but its just not for me really. I've got a 360 elite, and i think simply because its got more flat lines to its styling, looks better on my av rack than the ps3 does, but as you say, that depends on your preference. Do prefer the gloss finish on the ps3 though - reckon if i had it vertical it would look somewhat better, but i've got it in bread-bin mode at the mo and my a/v setup doesnt have space for it any other way! I'm not sure why you had to mention the RROD in that post though - somewhat irrellevant to the point in hand.

[lesferdinand]

"there's nothing but pure, unbiased opinion."

You might be right in a sense. I don’t expect there to be some kind of conspiracy behind the ‘bias’ that you see in a lot (all?) of the ‘professional’ gaming press. However, for anyone reading gaming magazines or websites, it’s quite clear what the favorite console of the gaming media is and it isn’t the one consumers like best. The original xbox was a hardcore gamer’s wet dream with the inclusion of a dedicated online multiplayer service and the 360 built upon it. It was so tailored to their needs, you can’t really blame those journalists for loving MS and the xbox.

However, as time moves on, the gaming press and the people that play games grow apart faster and faster. Just look at critical reception of Wii and its games vs. 360 and its games and compare them with what the people that actually buy stuff (aka consumers) think.

There’s definitely bias at 1up but there’s no such thing as an unbiased opinion.

[blacsheep]

I agree with your comments about having your own preference,of corse thats your right and gamers should be allowed to voice their opinion without getting blasted!though i do believe resistance 2 is going to be a step up radicaly from the 1st game which i enjoyed considering it was a launch game was even more impressive.

what i dont agree with though is that the ps3 is ugly,my opinion of corse is that the ps3 doesnt look out of place next to a new hd-tv,its a sexy piece of future proof kit,and it looks expensive, 360 on the other hand in my opinion looks seriously dated,rrod, and when turned on sounds like take off from heathrow when it gets going

NOTE TO FANBOYS: im talking about the hardware not the software content if i was id say 360 has done a great job in AAA games for 2007 and any gamer should credit the 360 with that no matter what platform you support,as i hope the ps3 gets credit later on this year with its software content

[titntin]

@crunchie - totally agree with you mate.
All I hear on a 1up podcast is a bunch of opinionated gamers, exactly what you'd expect. If there's a particular bias, its hard to see where it lies. I often strongly disagree with their views on a title, but you have to expect that!

@Lordcheese
'Friad I can't agree with you on RFOM - I thought it was brilliant from start to finish and plays a great Multiplayer besides. I was so dissapointed when I finished Halo 3, I went back to RFOM to remind me that campaigns can be fun...
As for the machine's relaitive aesthetics, again I have to differ from you - in my high tech set up, its the 360 that looks out of place and the PS3 looks fine! But if I based an ownership decision on the looks of a various machine, I would never have bought many that I did, and I've loved them all, even if they were 'an ugly duckling'! :)

[gamesR4fun]

Cant stand their podcast as for unbiased lol you need to wake up all these big 'review' companies are biased they need to be to make money and get the exclusives. What gets me about 1up is their total lack of intelligent mature balanced reviewers. At least on their podcasts. All they can do is make crap up to try and generate interest. If I wanted to hear nothing but pure bs Id turn on cspan at least some of those guys sound like they know what their saying.

[Rattles]

weather or not it has good gameplay i dont care ps3 power baby.

[Snukadaman]

what a blind fanboy.... @tintin..didnt we talk in emails dummy..your a 43 year old douchebag who thinks people who dont like the ps3 are blind fanboys..this kid states that gameplay dont matter...you being a developer i guess you like his comment of not caring that a game doesnt have gameplay...why dont you get off your high horse and just develop that game so i can buy it and play it.

[Lord Cheese]

that is the most ignorant fanboy comment i have ever heard. People like you shouldnt even be allowed consoles - you give gamers a bad name.

[titntin]

@Snukadaman

'what a blind fanboy.... '

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

[SRuN4]

so KZ2 is the largest product in dutch media history reaching the $22M mark quite some time ago, thats $31M american. i highly doubt sony is ready to throw away that kind of money.

[Sevir04]

after wowing everyone with that 2005 presentation of killzone and leading everyone to believe it was real... if KZ2 look like resistance 1 at E3 07 i think the world would explode and Sony would have nothing but another dismal showing like e306, Sorry to say but if the devs themselves are saying that SONY who owns them have hired an additional 83 devs on top of the 40 that they had for the original KZ, and poured out that much money. this effort is to prove that SONY isn't bullsh1tting about their image, for what this game is going for it's just as ambitious as resistance, only resistance is doing multiplayer to next level... as of now. I still have KZ as my top FPS for this year, and Resistance 2 trying to tie at that place.

[Fade_Walker]

Being rushed? it sure doesn't look like it.

I may be a Halo fan...but Killzone 1 wasn't that bad, actually i'm really looking forward to it.

For once Sony may actually dominate the FPS scene this year with Killzone 2 and Resistance 2...key word "might".

[ravinash]

I don't really care how it relates to Halo or any other game, as long as its a great game and I enjoy playing it...thats all I care about.
All this killer this and Owned that I don't really care about.

[mighty_douche]

LOL.... yeah because that seems to be the trend with PS3 games right, we havent seen a single delay yet have we.

Want a rushed FPS, go get Halo...

[predator]

ill loose a bubble for this but if you actually played halo 3 then you would know that it was not rushed and probley one of the best fps you will play.

no back on topic, i agree the first one wasnt that bad, i have high hopes for KZ2

edit: haha i did loose a bubble to, u fangirls are something, i hope that made you feel better inside

[mighty_douche]

whaaa? dude, ive played plenty of halo 3 thanks....

why do some people think, because i own one console i wouldnt play the other? My flat mate has 2 360's.

Halo > Halo 2 > Halo 3, only my opinion of course.

[predator]

and i respect your opinion if you have played it, just cant stand people who bash it without playing it, i actually prefer halo 3 than 2 (multiplayer is awsome) halo 1 is on par.

[mighty_douche]

ah yeah, i totally agree with that.

Im not trying to say its "bad" by i believe, M$ we're more interested in meeting their launch window than their customers expectation.

[etownone]

Halo is the best game of 2007....
much better than 1 and 2.... but 1 had better story.

The fact you can play 4 player-co op puts it above cod4 for me.

[Lord Cheese]

cant say i agree with you there..

Halo 1: Too many repeated sections in levels and the library was the most ghastly level i've played in an fps.

Halo 2: Better weapons, more vehicles to play with, story a bit crappy, online multiplayer great fun, but weapon balance wasnt really right

Halo 3: All the above more or less fixed. Graphics could have been improved but it did stay in keeping with the previous games art styles which (in my opinion) is good for continuity.

Fact is, opinions about the graphics aside, halo 3 is superb fun to play, which (at least in my opinion) makes it a great game. Its definately already my most played online game.

On topic though, i really hope KZ2 is great, but i'm cagey about proclaiming it as being amazing simply based on a few screenshots and massive fanboy hype. The first game just didnt feel right to me, despite it being good (at the time i was playing a lot of Warhammer firewarrior on the ps2 which in my opinion was a far better game) and i'm praying that guerilla dont just go with the "loads of grey/black machine guns" approach like they seem to do with the originals weapon set.

Edit: @Diugu - dont get me wrong, i have played a number of games that i like overall more than halo 3, but for online (which i'll admit i dont do a great deal of) its my favorite. It was hyped up far too much, so there is no surprise that a lot of people feel let down, so i do see your point.

[Diugu]

I dont know how a xbox owner can think so highly of Halo 3... I mean... it is not a good game.

Xbox has so many better games... just to mention: Gears of War, Bioshock, Mass Effect... those three are great. Halo 3 is just terrible. I don't know... maybe it is just me.

[BardockS30Z]

to satisfy rabid fanboys, who can't be patient and wait. KZ 2 will be amazing.

[Rattles]

wat am i being blind about??? evry one knows KZ2 looks great only an xbot can disagree with that.

[ar]

Looks aren't everything.

[Rocko]

So you'd buy it because it looked pretty, even if everything else was sh*t? And you wonder why you got disagrees? Any sane gamer would, jackass.

[leon76]

1Up - Another sh*ty site ruled by assholes, who's the big objective is bashing the PS3, lying with all teeths they have in the mouth!

[Kain81]

They work on this game over 3 years (E3 2005 first announcment), and they tell us the game is Rushed? hä?

[Bathyj]

1UP should moisten my balls with their mouths.

Leave the game developing to the game developers.

[mighty_douche]

Game journalism 101.... nothing interesting to say? make something up.

[QuackPot]

Sony wont' release KZ2 unless it's ready - what with all time, money and the anticipation and expectations.

They don't need to release it this year as there are proven AAAs already scheduled.

And if it does get delayed, who cares, what with R2, MGS4, GT5, LBP, etc etc etc.

[sak500]

As if you have all the above AAA games already laying down next to your ps3. Most of the above will be releasing by end of 2008/09. So you'd think sony woudn't release one rushed game just to make its console sell to gamers?

[Genki]

but I think Guerrilla learned a hard lesson from the original Killzone.

Thing is, they really shouldn't have HAD to, because not only was it originally a PC title, but they never did any of the hyping themselves.

Anyway, biggest reason I think this is because despite their stellar showings last year, they've kept almost too quiet about the game. Tells me that they're trying to pry themselves away from that Halo-killer moniker.

I think they're smart enough to know that rushing the game will put them in the same rut as they were years ago. Beyond all that, KZ really doesn't need 2008 anymore. There are more than enough good titles out to satisfy me, anyway.

Still, I do think it should release this year...because 4 years development time is quite a lot.

[QuackPot]

Guerilla Games is just baby developer relatively speaking compared experienced veteran developers like Insomniac, ND, Epic, Criterion, Free Radical etc.

Damn if only Sony had given the game to Insomniac or Naughty Dog to develop then KZ2 would likely have been out already and lauded as one of the best FPS ever....but that's only a dream.

[Genki]

Lets not kid ourselves here, Resistance was a very basic game(Halo 1 with a different coat of paint), and although Ratchet LOOKED good, it's the same old formula. No sophisticated tech and gameplay advancements whatsoever.

Both great games, mind you, but on a technical level, they've BOTH got nothing on Killzone 2.

Naughty Dog aren't exactly miracle workers either. Let's not forget that Uncharted wasn't a launch title, this game was in development for over 2 years itself. There's a horde of problems within it, and most of them are cleverly hidden. For one, Drake clips through every single piece of plant life in the game save for 2 or 3 distinct bushes. The animations, while animated well, are choppy at times, especially when traversing from one plane to another. Also, the scenery is very static, and by that I mean it doesn't react to anything, nothing can be moved(Exploding barrels, WOO!), nothing can be damaged, nothing can be interacted with. This is a fault hidden VERY WELL by how STUNNING the graphics are, but if you ever get over that wow factor, you'll see what I mean. Top that off with small, linear levels and canned platforming.

All of these games I listed are good and great, and as a matter of fact some of the best I've played all last year, but they're not doing anything to advance technology that Killzone 2 won't blow out of the water.

The "baby dev" thing is valid, but you've gotta understand the gravity of what they're trying to achieve here. Killzone 2's R&D is more than just a game, it's about the engine and latent technologies that they're constantly unraveling. The game is being HEAVILY outsourced, so it's not just the good folks at Guerrilla grinding this one out.

When you think about everything that K2 is attempting to be, and the doors it will open up, I think it's reasonable to think that Insomniac or Naughty Dog would have taken either just as long or almost as long as GG on this one. Like I said, it's more than just the game itself that's at stake here.

I love Insomniac and Naughty Dog, and I'm enamored at how well nurtured they've been as developers, but they're not the miracle workers that we like to make them out to be. I do think that they both are among the top ten developers worldwide, but two things they are masters of is hiding things and distraction.

[lesferdinand]

“There's a horde of problems within it, and most of them are cleverly hidden.”

That’s the basis of game design. No game engine is perfect (and we’ll never see a perfect engine either, the world is just too complex to ever fit in computing power) and the believability of a game is determined by how well it manages to disguise its shortcomings.

[titntin]

@ lesferdinand

Theres no point in trying to argue with this guy, he's far to wrapped up in his own feeling of superior viewpoint to listen to an alternative view. As a long time developer myself, I tried to take issue with him bleating on about the same nonsense in another thread, but he just goes on rehashing the same pointless statements like he never heard at all.
Of course clever game design is all about what you choose to spend your limited resources on, and you are quite right.
Genji obviously believes that coders should make all objects physics based and claculate true collision detection on every object in the game world, including vegitation. Despite the fact that no one else, and I do mean ever, has ever mentioned these so called 'issues'.

'When I shot a crow in the game it didn't die - it just flutterd off using a generic animation. It really spoilt my game. They must be lousy developers.' <sigh>

[Genki]

That's a great point that I admittedly overlooked myself. Perhaps I was too wrapped up in other things, but ultimately my point was that regardless of that, KZ2 seems to be achieving more in spite of disguising things for the end user.

@titntin

I suppose you must have missed the part where I said I consider Insomniac and ND to be among the world's best.

Sure, I admit I do have different desires from most gamers, but I don't think that makes me wrong as you would imply with your hyperbole. So what if nobody else mentions what I do? That's why we all have different experiences and points of view with the same games. Doesn't make me any more or less correct than you...just means we see things differently.

I'm not sure where I hit a nerve with you, sorry if I did, but in any case I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong here...just stating my opinion.

[FirstknighT]

Damn this game has been in development forever. Alot of manpower and a high budget went into this game. Sure looks like it takes ALOT of work to get the "power of the cell." COD4 already beats Killzone 2 in almost every way and it took about half of what it took to make K2. I don't care what you rabid sony boys say but it doesn't look to good for K2.

[hardmetal]

Speaking of forever, does too human mean anything to you ?

[PureGamer]

Keep trolling, you know nothing.

[Keowrath]

Dude, why don't you keep your ignorent opinions to yourself? If you're going to state something interesting or relevant to the topic at hand then great, but telling us that a game you have never actually played will be worse than a game already out just shows how desperately you're trying to troll.

Killzone2 isn't out yet, I thought I'd try and make that clear, you seem a little slow on the uptake there. WHEN the game comes out, try playing it (although I'm sure you won't) then give us your "realist" opinion. Sadly though, seeing the amount of trolling you do here I don't think many people will actually take notice.

I'll decide for myself if Killzone2 is a failure when it's released. You don't need to even bother as we all know one way or the other Halo3 will be better in your eyes. If that's true then great, but at least play the game before you regurgitate the same crap you've been posting for the last few months.

Grow the hell up, you used to talk about games when I first joined this site. Now you just look at ways of making yourself an idiot. You're doing a fine job!

[Bathyj]

Oh theres a shock.

Fuknight has a bad opinion of a PS3 game. Oooooooooo.

HA, Too Human, burn. Wasn't that a N64 game?

[kornbeaner]

It's obvious with every passing post that you have no idea what you are talking about. It took CoD4 roughly 4 years of development to get what you got in Nov 07'. Two years to work on the Engine which IW worked on from scratch and 2 years to finalize all the gameplay you saw in the final product. So four years and the game was far from perfect and how would you know that CoD4 has already surpassed Killzone2, I wasn't aware KZ2 had released anywhere in the world yet. Where can I get the import?
If that is the logic used then KZ2 has already surpassed HALO 4

[Zz33zz33]

lol how does firstknight still have 5 bubbles if all these guys on here bash him all the time?? and i think its a pretty rash statement to say this game will be rushed, it was like 2005 before we even saw anything about it....3 years is rushing?? dont tihnk so

[sonic989]

soooony won't throw KZ2 half finished to us
cause they paid a hell lots of money to make the game

[Genki]

Look at Stranglehold and Lair.

Two games with budgets north of $20 million and they were both incomplete, to say the least.

[jordan8445]

That Xbot just got slapped. Creating such pathetic rumours is laughable.

[InYourMom]

just call Shane B. an "xbot"..

Typical PS3 droid, don't even know what your talking about and are making uneducated assumptions. Shane is one of the biggest droids in journalism just underneath Ngai Croal.

1Up has been doing nothing but bashing the 360 and anything associated with it for the last couple months. Not sure if they are trying to make it up to the cry baby droids who always accuse them of being bias because they don't suck the Sony shlong like so many of them do.

[picker332]

Cod2 has slightly better graphic then cod4,even so how can you say kz2 has worst graphic???
& it's not even out yet.
Oh man,you are REALLY REALLY STUPID!!!

[SlippyMadFrog]

"Cod2 has slightly better graphic then cod4"
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but are you saying that Call of Duty 2 has better graphics than Call of Duty 4?

[Kleptic]

uh...yeah?...

if so...call us when the shuttle lands...

[Rice]

If COD2 has better graphics than COD4, then that means that HD DVD will beat BLu ray.

[xg-ei8ht]

Didn't you know, Halo Wars,Halo Party,Halo vs Superman, Halo vs Predator vs Alien film is due soon.

So much halo, So little Time.

[solidt12]

Too much riding on this game. It will not be rushed to the market all bugged out. They have too much to prove.

[razor76]

sorry in advance my grammer/spelling/and puncuation sux.one thing i have to say is,all the xbox fanboys annoy me more than other's.It's not enough that microsoft has paid trolls all over the net to down sony,cause they afriad they can't make it based on there merits alone,but then theres all these fanboys spewing crap all the time. I dont hate the xbox but ms tactics really suck,and they just want to force feed us their stuff ,and kill off the ps3/wii so no one has a choice .Leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth like a sweaty p--sy lol ! I bought my 360 used and all the games aswell,so as to not support ms first hand (live not included that i pay for) Sadly enough i have to say that competition is good so im glad their around to keep sony on their toes (like yin and yang it is good for balance)there is no good without evil,no day with out night blah blah! thanx guys go easy on me and use lube before you flame me to bad about my post/writing.

[demolitionX]

what is really shocking to me, back in 2005 when KZ2 was shown, all xbots said that KZ2 will never look like the trailer. But, guess what in 2007 guirella delivered a big slap and the ingame was even better than E3 2005. Now, some retards here say COD4 is better, so I assume COD4 has better graphics than CGI!!!! what a bunch of morans here in this site!

[GodGinrai]

maybe there just saying as a game KZ2 wont be better than COD4.I agree .KZ2 will look stunning but it wont be better than COD4 or resistance2 maybe not even as good as UT3.either way i will wait till i play it for myself.but i expect it to dissapoint a the moment.

[ISA_Scum]

Sony needs one of these developers creating their AAA, system-sellers to hurry the hell up. It looks like after all the delays and speculations being what's shaped the PS3, MGS4 WILL be the first true AAA PS3 system-seller.

That's not to say Uncharted and Ratchet weren't amazing games (I loved them), but those aren't system sellers. Their support titles, meant to strengthen the console's library and their sales prove it (Uncharted 820k, Ratchet 660k). Not bad, but not system-sellers.

Haze, KZ2, LBP....where the heck are these games? We know FFXIII has no chance of seeing the light of day here till 2009 (maybe 2008 in Japan), so Sony needs someone to step up and deliver a game already! MGS4 is a start, but they're going to need someone else to step up really soon.

[GodGinrai]

even if KZ2 does not come out this year there will be plenty of other good ps3 games to pass the time.I have the full psWII60 combo so i am hoping they put it off till around xmas atleast.i want resistance2 and msg4 first,and ill be playin r6:vegas 2 and UT3 on my 360 aswell in the meantime.dunno what ill be buyin for wii this year aside from VC games tho.

[titntin]

I thought I'd add a little more info into the fires of speculation on possible releases dates!

I'm a digital games artist/animator and have been for 15 years. I now take on freelance contracts and work remotely from the dev studios, and have done for a few years.

I was approached just before xmas, for a rush contract to finish off the environments for KZ2. It was a three month contract and I was led to believe that time pressure meant they were very keen to get the environments completely finished by then.

So I can confirm that they wish all the environments finished by end of March.

Its reasonably easy to deduce from this, that if you allow another four weeks for intergartion of the assets and then enter Alpha and Beta phases, they are aiming for a summer release, and I'd expect it to announced for August release date.

Of course many things can still go wrong, but I thought I'd throw that little 'scrap' of info out there to feed the fires.

Incidently, I didn't take the job as I didn't want to relocate to Sony Cambridge studios for the three months (though I would have enjoyed the trips to Amsterdamn - I like that city). I'm married and prefer to be with my wife - but it was a close call though! :)

[PirateThom]

Given the fact Killzone 2 had to basically match CGI, there's no way they're going to have that ground work in place and then ruin it by rush releasing it.

Be it 2010, this game will come out when it's ready. Without the glitches of the first game and with the graphics we've seen so far. Guerilla have a lot to live up to and they're going to make sure they do.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

why?

because they don`t have to.

there are so many games coming out in 2008, it`s sickening.

if it come before/after RFOM2 really doesn`t matter.

wait till early 2009 if you have to GUERILLA.

[The Killer]

they dont have to rush!! if resistance make out a decent sequel then they dont have to release it close to R2, killzone 2 will deliver any time a year, all they need is to hype it up with ads and media and it will sell millions any time on a year! they already went too far to screw it up in the end and always the last touches makes a game from AA to AAA or opposite!!

[espoac]

I really wish Shane Bettenhausen would shut his mouth once in a while. What happened to that Microsoft exclusive that was going to be canceled ,huh? People need to learn that 90% of the rumors that float around the videogame industry never come to fruition.

[hunter21]

i dont think sony will not rush the guerilla to finish it but i think when you going to create a game you need to sign a contract for the realese date on it right, probably they sign for 2008 release of the game or it also depend on the deals how they talk about it.well thats for what i know i cause im taking game design.

[BigBaehr]

Theres a part of me that wants it to be finished quickly, but if it means reduced quality then I would rather wait for it.

[BlackIceJoe]

For me at least I think Killzone 2 will get delayed until at least March of 09 if not longer. This way Resistance 2 can come out in November and it will give Guerrilla games more time to polish up there game and may be even add a few things people like what insomniac did with R2. Plus there really is no need to have both games out at the same time.

Plus KZ1 was unfortunately rushed to the market so Sony could use that as a weapon against Halo and we all know what happened next. So I think this time Sony will give the game time so it can come out great.

Plus when Sony gave Guerrilla the time they wanted to make the PSP KZ game that turned out really great. So who is to say the same won't happen this time too.

[Doctor Strange]

I expect this to be out late this year but their not going to rush this title. I think we all prefer waiting a little longer for a finished game instead of getting something halfway done.

[ROCCOZILLA]

dont rush this game ,please.i want it as great as possible.dont feel worried about MGS or RFOM2. you have a great fan base and were all getting it no matter what!PLAY B3YOND!

[DFresh]

This game isn't going to be rushed if anything it's already ready to go Guerilla Games just needs to add more features to it besides they were working on this game since late 2004 I don't think they are rushing anything. (About 4 years to make this game with over $60 million dollars invested.)
Let me tell you with that kind of money I know Sony will take their very sweet time making this game as well as all of their exclusives this year.
Graphics and game play are already beyond anything that's coming out for a while.
Big things are going to come from the Sony Camp just wait and see for yourself.

[HarryEtTubMan]

Killzone 2 will NOT be rushed. The will make sure its perfect(or very close to it)

[sak500]

Maybe if they had put that much money into making an addon card for ps3 to do better gpu work than the crippled gpu inside it so that the gfx output could atleast match 360 games maybe kz2 would look like a video game of new gen console not a 3 color brown washed dull grey pos looking game. And lets not talk about gameplay where AI stands in its shoes staring at bullets coming at it. Power of cell @ work. Maybe ps3 should stick to folding@home and leave the games for dev freindly hardware.

[Iron Man 2]

Killzone 2 is NOT Halo 3,Mass Effect(ESPECIALLY!)or Gears Of War,got it?;)

[BloodySinner]

It sure ain't. And you better pray and hope Killzone 2 lives up to the hype and reaches the status of the titles you mentioned.

[IQUITN4G]

Sure is a lot of hope riding on this.I'm quite confident how K2 will end up and guess most here are too.But of course you are, it's going to be the best FPS ever created and then some.

What's funny is how just about every dev out there has been trying to deliver the best FPS and yet 99% of them only ever end up as being merely quite good - ultimately very similar experiences.Looking at K2 vids it's easy to see similarities that i have seen countless times.

The argument here of course is that an incredible amount of man power has been thrown behind K2.If you're of the belief that more makes for better quality then i guess a lot of you are very happy right now.If only it were that simple.

K2 may end up as the next best thing but it's odds are very much against this.

Now then lets here those disagrees, obviously i'm not as smart as your all seeing eyes

[IQUITN4G]

Oops Here=hear

[heyheyhey]

oh christ and they say ps3 fans hijack a lot of 360 threads

look at the mess this thread has become

firstknight, sak500, InYourMom have all come here thinking people care about their opinions on what is shaping up to be a great game

your posts are so predictable:

"KZ2 IZ GONA SUK STOOPID FONY DROIDZ, TEH HALOZ IZ BETA, KZ2 BE MAKE BY CRAP DEV TAKE TOO LONG TO MAKE LOOKING RELY RELY BAD RAGGH WHY ME SO STOOPID?, WHY ME TALK LIEK DIZ? MEYBE ME SWEAR 2 MUCH IN TEH HALO 3"

wow you guys are sure good at fortune-telling, maybe you should get a part-time job at a gypsy camp and go cry to them about the PS3 exclusives being bad

[Mc187]

u are so pathetic blah blah gpu.
U are mad because when all is said and done with you will have to admit your toy is inferior to someone else's toy.
Sak your r such an ignorant blowhard that anything u say has ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY AT ALL.

@ heyheyhey .... you beat me to it bubbles 4 u.
peace

@ bloodysinner... You are such a tool. Go check the dryer your microsoft endorsed panties are dry

[TwissT]

Thats good GG should not rush this game, with all the hype I am very sure that they do not want to go over the same fiasco with the first Killzone.

[JBaby343]

With all the time and money already invested they aren't going to put out an unfinished game and lose what's been put in. It's been delayed for a while and there is no release date so they will take all the time they need. Can't wait for this one though. It looks to be an excellent game.

[stuntman_mike]

cant wait for this game, is shaping up nicely and we have only seen a tiny bit of one level so far, so cant wait for the rest.

[Spike47]

these fa**ot xbox360 fanboys are really jealous about this game.

sorry but this only shows how worried u guys are about this game unleashing a whoop @ss on the xbox360.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

More like pushed back LOL! It`s been in development since 05'! It should have been out a long time ago but due to the ps3`s hard to dev for azz system, it`s taking longer! Gears has came and gone and it`s still not out yet! Watch, it`ll be released along side Gears Of War 2!!!

[Random_Gumby]

Cheese goes alright!

[Rattles]

i didint say i would buy it jackass the looks alone show the power of the ps3 jackass all it needs is good gameplay and that up to the devs JACKASS

[Figboy]

tell me, how can a game that has been in development for over 3 years be "rushed?"

seriously 1up, use your f*cking heads here.

do you think Killzone 2 would have looked as *FANTASTIC as it did at E3 last year if it was "rushed?"

jesus, they are what passes for game journalists these days?

i listened to their podcast, and the fact that they get paid to make barely educated guesses and wild speculation is beyond me.

that's as ridiculous as me getting paid to "review" porn (that's no joke by the way, i do get paid to review porn).

no, releasing Rainbow Six Vegas 2 about 8 months *AFTER Rainbow Six Vegas hit the Playstation 3 is *RUSHED.

releasing Killzone 2 after 3+ years of development is "about damn time."

yes, Resistance 2 has set an impressive standard for FPS games with it's online offerings, but the plus side is; who says you can't play *BOTH?

who says you can't enjoy both?

i have no problems jumping between the original Resistance and Warhawk, even though they are vastly different online experiences, so i don't see why Killzone 2 should be in any danger.

the PS2 Killzone was good, but flawed. Killzone on the PSP was pure class. i'm confident that Killzone 2 will be an entertaining, engrossing game.

i'm playing it for the single player campaign anyway, as i'm not the biggest online gamer, but i'm sure it's multi-player offering will be catered to what is best for the type of game that it is.

i mean, how can people find a negative about *TWO amazing FPS games hitting the Playstation 3 in the *SAME YEAR?

that's *AWESOME, and i'm not even a gigantic FPS fan!

celebrate! rejoice! they claim that KZ2 will release "sooner than we all think" according to the podcast. is this not good?

back at E3 2007, the game was pretty damn polished, and really only needed some tweaking that is generally done during the last few months of production.

Killzone 2 is going to be a solid FPS. i don't know if it'll be earthshattering, or groundbreaking, but it will be fun.

and gorgeous.

anything to find a negative about one of the heavy hitters from Sony this year. well, i guess the haters have to find *SOMETHING to feel better about trashing the PS3 for the past *TWO YEARS...

[light]

Killzone 2 is not being rushed. here is link
http://gaming.monstersandcr...