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Microsoft: We Don’t Want Services We Already Have Through Your Console

Charlie writes:

"Microsoft are failing. Bad. I bet this is probably the first bit of sense I’ve spoken in a long time. Why is Microsoft giving us services through a paid service on the Xbox 360 that we can probably get for free elsewhere? Let’s not falter; the PS Vita has services we can get else where too, but at least they’re free and at least you can actually take your Vita to places. To make matters worse, there’s a rumor going around that Microsoft are going to talk about MORE services for the Xbox 360 than actual games. And to make matters even worse, those “actual games” probably won’t even be games you play with a handheld controller. Stop this madness, Microsoft."

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GraveLord1928d ago

I completely agree.
Microsoft doesn't care about gamers anymore.

They are too arrogant. This is when Sony can take back America.

CommonSenseGamer1928d ago

Explain to me how Sony cares about gamers again?

Less activated systems, on-line passes, talking up games like MAG then closing the company. Yeah, Sony cares.

Tony-Red-Grave1928d ago

the developers for MAG didn't support it enough and socom4 was less then stellar so yeah they were closed down. on-line passes are optional, for developers, and really DON'T ADD cost to new or used games, a used game would cost some $54 with the online pass thats $64 about the same as brand new games.

those aren't verey valid reasons for why sony doesn't care. I'm sure someone else can find alot better reasons then the one you gave.

Codeman4201928d ago

Sony aleast has the balls to put out titles for their console instead of using the same what 3 titles over and over .............again. MS is leaving the gaming market behind and focusing on Entertainment. While Sony and Nintendo are doing what they have always done, make great GAMES! Sony has a higher network install base than Live will ever have. because its free, imagine if MS made Live free how many more players would be online., No instead MS increases the price of Live and adds more ads to your dashboard so you can look at those instead of finding out where the button is to actually play your game. MS wont be winning E3 this year cause they have nothing to show but wat Halo4....ewwwwwwww, COD timed DLC.....yawn. all gamers want is games and MS isnt producing.

NastyLeftHook01928d ago

CommonSenseGamer

sony cares because they take risks!

there not sitting around scared of new ideas, they stand up and introduce them!

CommonSenseGamer1928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

@Tony:

I own 3 ps3s and online passes and less activated systems have made a big difference in my household. I also owned a PSP Go but got rid of it as soon as they announced they were dropping around it April last year.

As for MAG, Sony hyped that game big time and it was average at best. If they had cared about gamers they would have been honest about the game don't you think?

LOGICWINS1928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

Codeman, why would MS be concerned about E3 when they already have a guaranteed $10 million with Black Ops 2 and Halo 4? The 360 has a brand appeal in America so great that they can ride on the back of the mainstream majority..not the hardcore minority.

In a nutshell, Microsoft doesn't excel at E3 for the simple reason that they don't have to. The forum dwellers who whine about Microsoft once again having a poor E3 are ignored by Microsoft. Why? Because they don't need ur business. A new Halo and COD is coming out. Millions are already guaranteed.

Kran1928d ago

Compare the things Sony has done wrong than Microsoft and you'll see Microsoft will win the "I did everything wrong" war.

Codeman4201928d ago

@Logicwins
Why should MS worry about E3, becuase if MS doesnt show what they have planned for the future ppl will lose interest and not want to spend there money on their console. IF MS only shows services and Nintendo and Sony show games. Majority of TRUE gamers are going to spend their money on their consoles instead of a console offering only services and 1-2 games a year. What happens to MS when they lose COD and Halo?? they pretty much have nothing to fall back on. Sony and Nintendo however have something to fall back on because they have taken those chances on games and they are now successful franchises on their system.

LOGICWINS1928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

Codeman, ur dealing in "what ifs". Halo isn't going anywhere. Halo 4 has been confirmed to be the start of a new trilogy. COD is still making millions, I expect BLOPS 2 to outdo BLOPS 1.

And whats with your "true" gamer argument. People who don't like what you like aren't true gamers? LOL, where do u people come from? Serious question. What makes a 360 gamer less of a gamer than a PS3 gamer? What makes certain forms of entertainment more TRUE than others?

The 360 is still doing very well for a console that came out in 2005...and thats great competition for Sony. The better the 360, the more Sony will hustle, hence the more focus/value will be put in the PS3. Either way, as a TRUE gamer, I win.

user54670071928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

I honestly don't have a clue why people could agree with you

Sony are the only company that actually cares for core gamers these days, it's so obvious it's the reason why I don't understand the hate towards Sony in the Media when they seem to be the only ones still faithful to gaming these days

The amount of support they are giving us gamers is amazing

They close one company and it means they don't care...they did that because the company failed to create games that were going to sell. It's just a typical bussiness decision, it's not like Sony didn't give them a chance.

You know for a user name like "Common Sense" why don't you use some.

@LOGICWINS

"And whats with your "true" gamer argument. People who don't like what you like aren't true gamers? LOL, where do u people come from? "

If someone is more excited for some services for their console rather then want games then yeah...I wouldn't say they are a gamer

"What makes a 360 gamer less of a gamer than a PS3 gamer? What makes certain forms of entertainment more TRUE than others? "

Don't try and twist Codemans words he didn't say all 360 gamers wern't true gamers he's just saying those who'd rather have services then games....you know the type of media which makes you a gamer.

When it comes to services and games on a GAMES console then it's obvious that games are a true form of enteritanment then services, it's what the console was made for. If it was a multi media TV hub which main focus was bring you didn't services like 4OD, ITV, BBC iPlayer etc then that would be the products true from of enterainment because that is what the product was made for.

Codeman4201928d ago

@Logic
Halo will never last forever and neither will COD. look at Rockband and Guitar hero and amany other great games from the past. Made millions of dollars and what did Activision do, they canned it. no game last forever and WHEN halo and COD die off MS will need something to replace them and with their first party catalog lacking while others are gaining ground MS will fine themselves in Nintendos shoes, only the other way around. with them changing from what their focus was back in 2005 (games) to what it is now in 2012 (entertainment) Devs will move on to make them for consoles where they games will actually be played on. Now will this actually happen who knows only time will tell. i personally see this next gen turning out this gen did only MS will be the Sony of this gen where Sony is MS actually caring about games. MS is adding things to Live which are nice for some ppl but are useless to others and while you HAVE to pay 60$ a year to play online u can go to PSN and have the option to pay for those extra services but still be able to play online if you dont buy them, in a less clutters ad filled environment. Sony doesnt have to hustle for anything they actually have games and thats all they care about. Not how many ads we can add to our dashboard. but all in all the Xbox is no longer a gaming console and should be treated as such.

Marceles1928d ago

I'm kinda jealous of people that go to E3. MS always gives away free stuff to make up for their lack of a conference. Show everyone games that are on multiplatforms, Kinect games, Halo/Forza/or Gears, bring out a few celebrities, free 360s for everyone in the audience...media and fans say they win.

da_2pacalypse1928d ago

I've been an xbox owner since halo3 now, I bought a ps3 a year ago because it has so many great exclusives. I swear, the only thing the Ps3 needs is party chat and consoles that come with a mic. Those are the only problems I've had with the ps3.. Sure the xbox is my main console (because that's what a lot of my friends play). But Sony is kicking MS's ass, and it's quite sad, because at the beginning of this console generation, it was almost the other way around.

Optical_Matrix1928d ago

Well you're talking rubbish. PS3 has a higher attach rate than the Xbox 360 now, Sony are constantly announcing new games, their online service has remained free for the entire generation, they fund interesting a new IP.....what the hell does 'less activated systems even mean'? Theres more people using PSN than there are XBL. Theres a lot less people with dual accounts out there than you think wasteman.

BattleAxe1928d ago

I bought a 360 slim from a friend of mine about 2 months ago which was barely used. I'm already finding that theres not much of a reason to turn it on. I did spend the money on a one year LIVE subscription, but I think I'll probably sell my 360 once the subscription is up. I beat Alan Wake, I beat Halo Reach and played some of the multiplayer, and now I'm struggling to gain enough interest to beat Gears of War 1 which just like Halo, I can't understand the high scores.

since I've gone completely with digital downloads on my PS3 and on my PC with steam, I decided to go the same route with my 360. My system came with Alan Wake as a download for free, Forza 3 on two discs and then I bought Halo: Reach, Gear 1 and Gears 2. I honestly don't see any other games that I can't get on PS3 or Steam. Without some big game releases, the 360 is going to sink like the Titanic. Kinect has completely ruined everything for core gamers on the 360. I probably would have been better off buying a Wii instead, but the 360 only cost me $100.00, so I couldn't resist trying it out.

joab7771928d ago

I love my xbox but right now, Sony is kicking their ass where it matters...to gamers. They had a terrible year as a corporation last year, losing billions to the tsunami, to samsung etc., but they still manage to continually make great exclusives. The online is free and offers most services u pay for on xbox. Yes, they screwed up on memory which affects cross game chat and many open world games like skyrim, but its a mistake made long ago. The cell processor was possibly a mistake too. But at least they were trying to push the boundaries with it. Just as they did with blu ray. Now, i believe sonys actions have helped micrsoft to do what they are doing.

What is that u ask? Nothing. They see how hard sony has worked to release countless exclusives and they realize that for the most part, they arent lucrative. Xbox has ridden gears and halo and their cod dominance (which is dissipating) to glory.Now they may be right. But eventually it will catch up to them. I believe that they arent going to invest in this gen anymore unless its something that carries over to next gen, like services. I hope if this is the case that they are investing heavily into next gen. They must realize that it was their core gaming that drew everyone to them. So, i am not nervous yet. But i am getting there.

JokesOnYou1928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

OK, how can adding new features whether found free elsewhere or not be failing? I mean you're already paying for the service, now if there is some type of feature that the overwhelming majority has been demanding and they keep adding trivial upgrades that's a problem, but simply upgrading a paid service isn't a failure although most dont need a browser its just a small upgrade, why not make improvements.

Where are all these exclusive ps3 games Sony folks keep screaming about vs what has been released on 360 so far this year, I mean please show this long list of must have ps3 games Sony folks swear micro is getting their butts kicked by, please, please do show, all I can think of off the top of my head is Starhawk good game but not exactly the killer app to wave pom-poms over. 360's had Witcher2, but neither has a pletheora of big time games to awe core gamers, ps3 folks just talk as if they do, hell other than Gears3 most of my time has been spent on ME3, Batman AC and the much hated MW3, hate me all you want but that game is just pure fun with friends, Batman AC is probably the best SP game only I played all year, yet their all Multi....so if there weren't so many great multi games, I'd only have Gear3, Forza4, and UC3 to play combined on my ps3 & 360 over the last year, quality over quantity, I don't play "the exclusives", I play games I enjoy. 360 is winning in America and did so last year WW because it excels at providing just that, great all around entertainment for pure gaming fun with friends and family.

sticky doja1928d ago

I couldn't get past the first few sentences (if you even can call some of them sentences) before I realized this "article" had to have been written by a 12 year old who is flunking English.

Denethor_II1928d ago

@CommonSenseGamer
"Less activated systems, on-line passes"

You forgot free online, youtube, facebook, twitter, porn (if that's your thing). PS Plus with great discounts, automatic patch updates, content worth 3 or 4 times worth the intial price (as an option). A portable console to game on the go, The list honestly just goes on.
But most of all a constant flow of fleshed out, pumped to the max AAA exclusives, not timed, not just console, but real, exclusive, experiences.
If you want to see talking up of games I suggest you watch Peter's talk up of Milo for Kinecto. Or even Star Wars for Kinect.

Brosy1928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

PS3 will never outsell the 360 in NA. Get that little delusion sorted out now.

Exclusives are over rated. Name 5 big blockbuster exclusives that Sony has, that has managed to bring in 8 million in sales. You cant do it. Because most sony exclusives fail. I find plenty of games to play on my 360, and couldn't care less about generic exclusive number 100 on the PS3.

Services, Xbox Live is the best online gaming service in the world. Why do you think so many people don't mind paying for it? Thay can add all the apps they want, it just makes Live better after all. If sony wasn't so driven to push blu-ray down everyones throat, maybe they could have used a better processor than the Cell. PSN can't even do party chat for crying out loud.

So many sony fanboys and multiple account users jumped on this poor excuse for an opinion piece its truly pathetic.

Gamer19821928d ago

Less activated systems - Erm MS allow 1 What are you moaning about?
on-line passes - Devs choose this not Sony so get real
talking up games like MAG then closing the company - MAG failed it did and companys won't stay around if they fail however Sony have invested in a lot of great companys and kept them around like Media Molocule where as MS shut them down completely e.g. RARE & Ensemble studios. The weak will die and great will survive.

MS are a hell of a lot worse than Sony when it comes to all them reasons so get off your high horse.

vega2751928d ago

what are you talking about?

The reality is that every single game we shipped took twice as long as we said it was going to take, and cost twice as much to make," Bettner said. "Microsoft is a public company, they answer to their shareholders, and we were simply too expensive."
http://www.1up.com/news/ens...

"Sony have invested in a lot of great companys and kept them around like Media Molocule where as MS shut them down completely" MS never owned media molocule check your facts again.

"on-line passes - Devs choose this not Sony so get real". so Dev's and publishers choose to put online passes on sony 1st party studio games like uncharted,R3,ect? would that be sony, since they own the IP's and are their studios

Clarence1927d ago

Come on man how many gaming companies has M$ closed.

I can explain to you how Sony cares about gamers. They continue to bring out new franchise games along with continued support for the PS3 media service.

Again Sony said that the PS3 will be the complete entertainment hub back in 2006.

While M$ only wanted to make games Sony was concentrating on both areas, media entertainment, and gaming. Thus blu-ray, wifi, and web browser. All the stuff M$ and the media hated on, is now excepted by M$ and the media.

As far as online passes, how come your not complaining about paying to play online with Xbox live.

Come on use common sense.

Ji99saw1927d ago

@Codeman420 Yeah your right Sony does have balls even enough balls to bankrupt their whole company as far as I know MS hasn't been Losing money for five years straight and has a handheld on the market that is getting ass raped by the competition. Sony has ball and failing company, MS has a strong growing company

Jaces1927d ago

@Logic

True or "Core" gamers are people who play games outside the COD/Halo realm. It's hard to consider anyone who doesn't play anything else other than those two shooters a core gamer. Your logic on MS only needing to lean on those games to keep up with the competition is pathetic and yet true because that's what they'll do. No innovation, no drive, no reason to change. Xbox will be more of a cable box rather than a gaming console in the years to come.

You can defend it all you want but I've lost all respect for Xbox and what it had promised in the long run. I only hope that the MS mindset doesn't seep into Sony where we only get 1 or 2 rehashed exclusives a year with timed exclusive content for multiplatform games.

Sure this may seem like a great plan for people who play games when their COD/Halo comes out once a year but for those who enjoy the variety out there it's disgusting. They way developers have become lazy and comfortable with giving us the same sub par game over and over, because the casual majority supports it without even knowing the cost.

MS doesn't even try to push boundaries anymore with games, they look to appease the casuals like yourself who enjoy being spoon fed the same shit year after year.

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LOGICWINS1928d ago

So Gravelord, when is this miracle going to happen? When is Sony going to take over America? They've been at it almost six years. Just because a company is arrogant doesn't mean that they all of a sudden lose customers. If that were the case, Capcom and Apple would have gone out of business years ago. If I were Sony, I'd be content with worldwide HD console dominance.

GamingPerson1928d ago (Edited 1928d ago )

"Microsoft is failing. Bad."

True from a Hardcore gamers perspective.
The casuals are having an amazing year with all the exclusive kinect titles on xbox.
I expect 2013 to be an awsome year for the casuals.
I am happy for them.

Basjohn1928d ago

You don't need to be "hardcore" to know kinect and move are rubbish ideas.

M_Prime1928d ago

Rancor Rampage in Starwars Kinect is so awsome.. i don't care if you are hardcore or casual, best $39 i ever spend on a kinect game

FrigidDARKNESS1928d ago

The industry has changed it's not about games anymore it's now bout who can provide the best content in your living room. With game sales tanking each month companies have to be more creative now to increase there revenues.