''Discrete sources have confirmed to Xbox World Magazine that Xbox 720 devkits were shipped to various developers in March, and have detailed an impressive set of specs for the next generation console.''
Powerhouse console confirmed if true
Don't overestimate the next generation, though. Various companies have mentioned that the graphical "jump" to the next generation won't be as big as the one we had in 2005. I hope the next generation will focus on proper multitasking. With 16 cores that's more than possible. Each core can handle a specific task.
That is cool to read. So even the multiplatform games will look phenomenal, let alone exclusive games.
That's some serious fanboy glasses there Carlito, You really think MS will release a console weaker than the current gen.....So why would they even release one? There would be no point. And by the way the Wii-U below PS3? Dream on, I can link you to some pages providing info showing the Wii-U is expected to be at around 6x the power of the current gen, reliable sources. But that would break you heart
@limewax that's not going to be true. Devs have been reporting that the wiiU will offer the same graphics as a ps3 but won't be capable as much.
what are you talking about ? Firsly : even single core cpu's can handle multitasking (trough timesharing for example, this isn't the 80's you know) secondly, the current gen can already do proper realtime multitasking, on the PS3 you can spread 14 threads (6 vector processors, and each one can handle 2 threads at once + the PPU) and on the 360 6 ( 3 cores, 2 threads / core).
LOL, 16 cores? I wonder how much this will retail for if true? $600-800 console confirmed. Also from the article "Discrete sources at GDC also confirmed to the publication that developers expect Sony’s Playstation 4 to be more powerful than the next Xbox, and that various studios are aiming to unveil their next generation software at E3 2012 in June" Calling BS on this article. If the PS4 is gonna be powerful than this (16 is already kinda unlikey) what will it have, 32 cores and 4 GPUs lol?
SIXTEEN CORE PROCESSORS for $600-800? Try over $2,000. The i7 990x is a 6 core proccessor and it retails at around $1,000. I just refuse to believe this. http://www.amazon.com/Intel...
@MAJOR: That doesn't mean anything. AMD already has an 8 core CPU for $250 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... Also cores are only 1 small aspect of determining how powerful a CPU is. Simply having 16 cores doesn't necessarily make it more powerful than another CPU with half as many cores nor does it automatically make it more or even as expensive. Also remember that this isn't being released til the end of 2013 based on current rumors and with the evolution of computing hardware every 4-5 months. chances are the CPU used in Durango will only cost MS about $50 per unit in bulk, If that.
this could explain something: "..Kinect 2 could chew up four whole cores tracking multiple players right down to their fingertips, so it’ll need a lot of power.” is their a possibility the NexTBox could rune a closed version of W8? that would be one curve ball
"Discrete sources at GDC also confirmed to the publication that developers expect Sony’s Playstation 4 to be more powerful than the next Xbox, and that various studios are aiming to unveil their next generation software at E3 2012 in June, regardless of whether “Microsoft and Sony are ready or not.”" __ So we will be seeing next-gen games and tech demos this E3 already? I know it's a rumour. But I also hope to see new info on next gen systems.
16 core processor? I don't think so... not even $1000 pc cpu's have more than 8. @dasteru 4 core Intel i7's smoke AMD's 8 core cpus.
i could see this coming true. Just because its 16 cores doesnt make it the best thing, it just means it can multitask very well. Its engineering, maybe this redesigned console with 16 cores may not be as fast as a 4 core CPU but it might be more efficient at handling things.
Carlito, you're fanboy-vision shames your namesake, Carlito Caribbean Cool, you're not cool (spits apple in face).
@superrey19: For general processing yes they do and that is exactly my point, More cores does not necessarily mean more powerful or more expensive. As for gaming, it has been proven time after time that most Intel CPU's only give a slightly better performance in games, Most games simply aren't coded to fully utilize all that extra processing power. I remember when the i7 980x first came out there were some bench tests that showed it getting on average about 2-3fps better than the Phenom II 965.
You got they way wrong on how multi core works. Every thread of job is evenly distributed among all the CPUs.
is this really what were expecting? check out the price on it, how is that possible? http://www-03.ibm.com/syste...
Dante, you don't have to have more cores to be more powerful. Case in point, current 6 core PC chips are a good bit more powerful than the 8 core cell that launched in 2006 was. The reason being, Cell's cores are not full fledged processor cores, but SPUs (essentially DSP's). So, there is nothing saying that the 16 cores in this rumored chip will be full fledged cores, or that each of those cores will be all that powerful. You can't just take a number of cores and extrapolate overall power from it.
Yeah better Ai, physics and 1080/60fps.
PS4 is definitely being designed by aliens.
Its called getting console gamers hyped. This has been done before only to under deliver significantly. PS3 was supposed to play games at 1080p and 120 fps, see how accurate those statements were. You could have a 32 core CPU, ask any PC gamer it wont make difference in games. What really makes a difference is the GPU. All of us PC gamers know AMD makes crappy CPUs, yes they might have 8 cores however they get out performed by dual cpus from intel when it comes to games. Now if they are saying 7000series GPU, it can mean anything. It could be a 75XX - 76XX GPU, which tbh is pretty gimped. Console gamers should really be asking for more transparency, they always tend to get fooled when it comes to hardware and specs.
With rumors we must take this with a grain of salt. As for the 16-cores. Do they mean 16 threads or 16 cores? If 16 threads then its a 4 core - 16 threads its Power7 CPU if 16 cores then its definitely Power8 CPU. As for thread count for 16 core Power8. I expect at least 4 SMT threads per core which equates to 64 threads. Unless this means Power7 8 core times 2 for Xbox 3.
16 Cores? It's a beast! Welcome home XBX3 :D
The CPU would be utter hogwash. The 360 uses a 3 core intel CPU. The Cell chip made by IBM is a PowerPC chip by design. Currently intel don't make any 16 thread or even 16 core CPUs, this even goes for the server/business side. They do make 8 core CPUs that have 16 threads but these CPUs are around $2500USD and not sold to households. Having 2 threads per CPU isn't the same as 2 cores, and probably slows the core down as i has to deal with 2 items at the same time. I've seen benchmarks of twin optron 8 core CPUs in 1 system with tri-crossfire setup with the fastest GPU cards at the time. and the CPUs weren't the bottle neck it became the motherboard itself as it simply couldn't push enough data around, the CPUs never got to 100% and the GPUs never did as well. Even when overclocked it it didn't make any difference. When you have a multi-thread program run on win7 perm then that program is able to use all cores without any problems as it's windows that handles the threads not the program. alas I highly doubt this xbox will have 16 threads or cores.
I don't believe this. Unless, of course, they're using a processor like the CELL. Which would be ironic if it's true that the PS4 will be x64 based. Can anyone say "role reversal"?
I love it when a new gen is about to start and all these stories start to crop up and all these great conversations about specs and all that. I an't got a clue about all the tech talk and specs, but it's great reading and it's me all excited!! I just can't wait for the end result, but at the same time I am not looking forward to somethings like the amount of milking and crap.
fake.. @ZidaneNL ok! but more kinect is bad..
CPU's for consoles are custom made and are by far not as expensive as standard, retail CPU's that we can purchase.
There is absolutely nothing different on the manufacturing side of CPUs for consoles that makes them any more cost efficient than CPUs for PCs. If anything, the manufacturing for a console CPU is less efficient (note: I did not say more expensive, there is a difference) thanks to the fact that they don't have a mass market to ship to outside of the console manufacturer. All that "custom made" means is that they don't follow any current manufacturing specs, which means that they have to dedicate an entire fabrication line to a new architecture and get nothing out of it in return.
1- make an article about a non existent console. 2-make the "leaked" specs sounds very strong or weak to attract hits. 3-say its from a "trusted source" 4-???? 5-PROFIT!!! LITERALLY!!
Yup. a POWERPC chip with 16 cores isn't really believable either for this console- plus everyone talking about threads then they are a very distinct thing from hardware 'cores' which was clearly said in the article.
The largest and fastest Power7 is an 8 core. It does have 4 way SMT.
Developers don't want to spread their code over 16 cores and 4 times as many threads. It is fairly unrealistic to imagine a console with even a 16 core version of a POWERPC this year or even next year.
Even a custom part with that many cores does not fit into IBM's roadmap.
More cores has never always = better too. Focusing on the numbers of each core or thread versus the actual capability of such a core and CPU as a whole is a mistake.
^ yup i remember the Pentium 4 era where no ones believe in dual cores, thats impossible they said, lets lol now, Microsoft had the money to do it if they want and if they make a deal with AMD then is possible, still a rumor IMO.
When did no one believe in dual cores in the pentium 4 era? Who said it was impossible? I would love to see you show us where you didn't just make that up Tr1own.
There had been embedded duals for a very long time BEFORE Pentium 4, and in fact it was a PowerPC, POWER4 as the first non embedded dual core, over a decade ago now- just as Pentium 4 launched.
Microsoft's money is not relevant in the case of this article, it is about IBM. Because as i pointed out, there are no single die 16 core POWERPC7 designs around to be in a devkit right now (as claimed saying the 16 core CPU, singular) and no 16 core POWERPC designs expected for at least a year....
Clearly then the idea the machine will have a 16 core POWERPC chip is rather suspect IMO. If the architecture was not specified as POWERPC then it is not impossible or unbelievable as there are other chips around. But as it is an architecture that doesn't exist right now but is apparently in devkits already then colour me suspicious.
lol 16 cores!? http://www.youtube.com/watc... Doubt it's true. Sounds like that is specified for devkit only and not what they will be putting out in the retail sector.
I'm thinking someone mixed up cores with threads. 16 simultaneous threads is very impressive though, none the less.
It is more likely to be 8 core cpu and 16 threads, that's more believable anyways.
Yes, but will there be games to play? We don't need 16 core for Kinect games. Give us some core games Microsoft.
Earlier rumours this yr. said the kinect 2 would have its own processors, would the extra core have anything to do with it? I'm not a tech wiz, just trying to gain some knowledge...
Kinect games are for core gamers. Haven't you seen the Xbox line-up for the next year?
I remember when the first Kinect was supposed to have it's own processor...
Wasn't everyone complaining about having 7 different threads to code for the ps3??
PS3's devkit didn't automatically spread the work among the 6 SPUs. 360's devkit had a compiler that did.
confirmed is the antithesis of rumor. besides, i beginning to think MS and Sony are letting 3rd parties run their mouth because they know something's going to leak eventually. might as well FUD it...
Well I hope its true. I'd like to see the next gen console/s have some impressive specs. They need to be to last a 5-8 year cycle. I don't mind paying abit more for quality future proof hardware. What I don't want is a console with mid range consumer PC specs.
if you read the whole article at the bottom it says, "Discrete sources at GDC also confirmed to the publication that developers expect Sony’s Playstation 4 to be more powerful than the next Xbox" we will have to wait and see which console is the powerhouse but you completely disregarded the possibility of ps4 tech being even stronger.
16 cores? HAHAHAHA! Radeon 7000 comparable? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (ffb)Nvidia again?..(/ffb) Blu-RAY! (There isn't enough space for that many "HAHA"'s.) This is a total HOAX! Seriously with an educated guess add that up in your mind how much per unit that will cost. (ffb)And remember Microsoft needs to make a profit off each unit sold like the 360. And be POWERFULL.(/ffb) 16 cores? They mean the Wire Speed processor? This is new technology. No price set yet. Best estimate? 3,000 a piece. (Remember... HIGH END PROCESSOR...) But lets say its a 16 core processor with each core at only around 1.1 GHz per CPU... Then 900 a piece. (And only comparable to an Intel i3 dual core @ 3.8 GHz each.) NVidia is probably the GPU choice this go around since it is "comparable to the Radeon 7000 series." Since this GPU doesn't have a name and is new technology... Best estimate? 600 a Piece to start. Blu-Ray....... (Where to begin?) Would Microsoft actually consider paying royalties to a competitor? REALLY? Ok lets just say they really go with this choice. 75 a piece. So if it is a super duper upper decker makes you feel like your eyes just got salt and peppered.... 4 grand per unit. 3 thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine US dollars! Seriously.... this rumor needs to be killed before someone gets embarrassed....
don't forget, the cost of hardware is substantially lower for these gaming companies since they are usually contracted to buy in bulk.
now that's stupid maybe the medias can say nextbox have AI next time rumors lol
If you're going to troll, at least do it in English.
what exactly was he saying? o.O
Moving on... Lol
Sounds a little too good to be true... but I hope it is!
Now when it comes to a machine that only does third parties, the saying, might as well just get a pc comes to mind, especially since even their "exclusives" come to pc too. So you xbox fans that already can't wait for next gen, guess what, next gen has been here for years already.
And only very few games look leaps beyound the consoles. When 90% of the games are leaps ahead then will talk. Heck, most of the developers still haven't maxed out the graphics this gen.
@DA_SHREDDER You are clearly butthurt.. and.. @jaymart2k I'm going to assume you don't even own a gaming PC. If you did, you would know that 90% of all games released on the PC DO in fact look better than their console counterparts. Hurray for no proprietary hardware! "most of the developers haven't maxed out the graphics this gen." Yes they have. In fact, they did that a few years ago. All they've been doing at this point is tweaking various parts of their engines within the bottleneck.
@90% of games not been miles ahead if devs built a game for a £3,000 PC, PC games would be pushing out CG graphics. but would you throw all your money into making a game for people who use a £3,000 PC...i wouldnt. make a game and design it to work on an avarage PC and you sell millions. make a game for a £3,000 rig and sell thousands. a lot of PC games look console quality because devs can not go around making games that cost millions to only sell to the nvidia 680,i7 990 gamers. also with PC devs seeing how well console games sell they have to make equal looking games to stay in business.
Who knows what exclusives the new Xbox will have? Remember that the 360 had three good years of exclusives. Hopefully they continue making exclusives after that this time.
like 5 websites have different specs now this is getting silly. Some say 8000 series like the orbis is rumoured to have (these are going for 700 though make more believable?). But 16 cores really??? I doubt it for one serious reason. PRICE! MS will want this to be market ready at launch which means they will want it to be cheaper than sonys console from day one like the 360 always was. That was there edge with 360 and will be with there next console. 16 cores will definitely push it over the edge.
I dont know but i think ... Its.. True :)
16 core processor? I'm calling BS on that. Too big and hot for a console, unless its 16 arm cores. 8 cores with SMT is possible, but still probably too big and hot to put in a limited space. I can see the HD 7000 GPU, but any moron could guess that considering MS is likely to stick with AMD for graphics.
Hey, do you know the performance of the arm cortex a-9 & a-15 ?
The A9 has a linpack score of around 85MFlops for a dual core at 1.2Ghz. So a 16 Core would be around 680MFlops. The A15 is expected to be somewhere in the neighborhood of a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 (Krait). The Dual-core Krait MDP at 1.5GHz has a Linpack score of 218 MFlops, putting a 16 core at 1.7GFlops. For Comparison, the Cell averages a linpack score at around 100 GFlops with all 8 SPEs enabled. The rumored A8-3850 in the PS4 has a linpack score of around 30GFlops. I really doubt that MS will go with ARM, I just threw it out that as the only possible "true" 16 core processor in a STB-like device. As you can see its performance doesn't even come close to desktop parts. Anything else at 16 cores would too big, too hot, and quite frankly overkill...unless MS is going with some kind of asymmetrical processor like the cell, which would be hilarious.
Hold on a sec take a look @ this http://www.xbitlabs.com/new... As you stated: "I really doubt that MS will go with ARM, I just threw it out that as the only possible "true" 16 core processor in a STB-like device. As you can see its performance doesn't even come close to desktop parts. Anything else at 16 cores would too big, too hot, and quite frankly overkill...unless MS is going with some kind of asymmetrical processor like the cell, which would be hilarious." SOC's have changed quite a bit since than..ARM an the Cell processor have quite a bit in common really. Take a look at IBM Talking about this http://www-03.ibm.com/press... AS you also stated a 16 core desktop processor would be way too hot, an passive an active heat reduction parts would increase the cost to bleed that heat off that system..even @42nm scale the cpu in the PS3 requires active an passive heat dissipation is required, an 16 cores would require quite a bit more. I think both Microsoft an Sony will in fact USE in my opinion SOC's chips designed from ARM an manuf. by IBM. because already the WiiU chip is being done by IBM, Sony's PSVita chipset is a SOC once again done by STI which is Sony,Toshiba an IBM. Remember the Ipad,Iphone an Android smartphones an Tablets all use ARM core powered chipsets in over 97% the Nintendo 3DS also ARM core. Windows OS 8 will now be supporting ARM Core Chipsets for full windows OS8 that go into Tablets an Laptops. The main 3rd party game engines have been developed for the ARM core chipset, that's quite a number of 3RD party Game engines. ARM holding's has right now chipsets able to handle right on the SOC without going off chip GPU that can handle right on the Die "The Mali T658 supports high level GPGPU languages such as OpenCL, Google's Renderscript and Microsoft's Directcompute, but most importantly it also supports OpenGL and DirectX 11." the SGX PowerVR 6 GPU can also be used instead of the Mali already which can also be right on the SOC die. http://www.imgtec.com/corpo... I think ARM core chipsets will more than likely be inside both the Microsoft an Sony's next Game systems. the systems would be far cheaper an much better to bleed the heat generated than what's in the curent xbox360 an PS3 all the while keeping the performance high.
Too good to be true... Imagine the heat on that thing! Hope the fan won't be as bad as the original xbox 360! That soo loud! Let's just wait and see though! Can't wait for E3 (although I think no new console will be revealed by Sony And Microsoft
Would be nice if there were a miniature version of those blade-less fans inside.
That WOULD be awesome, actually! It's just that they are so expensive. :/ If Dyson did a deal with a console manufacturer, that could work out. I doubt they would though.
yeah, not sure on this one. It sounds great for sure BUT every other rumor out there says 4-6 cores and then you factor in the rumors on the PS4 of late and that configuration wouldn't be more powerful than the 16 core beast they described... So.. I say its probably bogus.
Id be surprised if it had an 8 core. I highly doubt a 16 core. Companies wonteven pay an extra $40 to double the ram, what makes you think they will buy such powerful CPUs??
Could be a Power 7 processor from IBM which is a quad core CPU that can handle 4 threads each so its not impossible.