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Submitted by joshpoppedyou 990d ago | video

Infinity Ward Recycles Buildings on MW3 Straight From Cod4

Finallevel: After a little gameplay on the new call of duty modern warfare 3 I discover that not everything in this game has been made from scratch, is this how Activision make it so easy to pump out a new game every single year?

Whilst I don’t think it’s a bad thing to do this in a game I found it quite humorous that they would make it just so obvious. (Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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JellyJelly  +   990d ago | Well said
For shame, Activision.
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meetajhu  +   990d ago | Well said
TSIA MW1+MW2=MW3.
inveni0  +   990d ago | Funny
It's all about the Benjamins, baby. (Or whoever is on the $60 bill.)
killcycle  +   990d ago
quoue today for mw3 was so long, milk milk milk
hakis86  +   990d ago
HONESTLY, what did you expect? They've recycled maps before, this time at least it's only buildings (so far???).
Wouldn't surprise me if you have to buy a mappack with a few old levels with new textures.
guitarded77  +   990d ago
Many games reuse resources... while I'm against the DLC milk machine that will come very soon, the reuse of a building model is not a big deal.
bviperz  +   990d ago
It struck me when I was watching their new game modes trailer that all the maps look familiar. They weren't kidding when they said CoD is now the Madden of online shooters.
Elimin8  +   990d ago
They've been recycling since the first game..... Price "the character" also has been the same since the first CoD... Sadly, it will sell boatloads...
newhumanbreed  +   990d ago
@Elimin8

I wouldn't say that Price is recycled, but rather just the original Infinity Ward's favorite character. In MW3, I'd say he is recycled and just used for selling a game since the original team is not behind it.
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JhawkFootball06  +   990d ago
Infinity Ward needs to step up. I don't want no scrubs.
Joe2911  +   990d ago
And they didn't recycle stuff in BF3?

Heck EA churns out the same crappy sports titles every year!
Kurylo3d  +   990d ago
eh... no ... no i cant say that bf3 did recycle anything... sorry to put a hole in your argument lol
Trebius  +   990d ago | Well said
BF3 didnt recycle anything moron, they rehauled their whole engine! CoD uses the same engine every year. Do some research little boy.
Heartnet  +   990d ago
@trebius..

U can still bring over models etc from different Engines lol there probz made in a 3d modelling package to begin with so...
Getowned  +   990d ago
Battlefield has reycles builings before and we even see the same building used over and over in BC and BC2,BF3.Whats the point of this article ?
Joe2911  +   990d ago
I only own BF3, I have played it a lot and I run past certain buildings like 'huh, I saw that in BC2 or BC1', guess its just me

.. no need to call me a moron, I wasn't attacking your beloved BF3. Unlike a fanboy, I will be getting both.

Edit: I'm 6'1 so hardly a little boy, I prefere just above national average man. Oh wait, you can't reply.... 1 bubs
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Joe2911  +   989d ago
The moment where you post something which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
trancefreak  +   989d ago
Just got my copy of milk of magnesium 3 and it is explosive.
Scizz  +   989d ago
Everyone always compares BF3 with BC2 and BC. Aren't you suppose to compare it with BF2. That was the good game. That's like comparing MW3 to Black Ops and World at War.
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theaceh  +   989d ago
Why are people surprised? This is Guitar Hero development practices all over again.
Piegoose  +   989d ago
All COD's are similar. I love WAW and MW2, but all of them are still the same thing.
Raptura  +   989d ago
MW3 copies from itself. In the third level there's 2 primary civilians:

1) Black Guy - Red Shirt
2) White Guy - Blue/White Jacket

Anyone else notice this?

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BattleAxe  +   989d ago
Battlefield Bad Company 1 & 2 had the same buildings throughout the entirety of both games. I'd be surprised if they didn't use some of the same buildings in BF3.
StraightPath  +   990d ago
I laughed seeing this.
Yukicore   990d ago | Bad language | show
Kurylo3d  +   990d ago
its called good marketing... besides... what do u care. Does it really make a different that they reused a building model here... or a dumpster model there? I understand they are trying to save money to put out another game cheaper... in what way does that actually hurt u though? If people still think its a good game then more power to em.
seinfan  +   990d ago | Well said
@kurylo
It hurts all gamers. Why? Because when other gaming companies see this formula of success that Activision has adopted, they too are likely to start half-assing their most successful franchises in order to maximize profit. Face it, this is a business, and companies think with their wallet in mind first and foremost.
Here are some examples:
Nintendo plays to the casual crowd with their motion controls and dominate in sales. MS and SONY follow suit.
DLC has exploded in recent years. We're now buying incomplete games at launch and have to pay for the extra content that should have been on the disc in the first place (heck, some of the content is already on the disc, but it's LOCKED and you have to PAY TO UNLOCK IT).
The gaming industry is headed to the shitter.
snipes101  +   989d ago
Wow people are just looking for things to hate. This is just...pathetic.

Not for or against the game but wow people you all act like a bunch of children. It's. One. Building.

Buy y'know what, if you want to be a total idiot and go out, buy this game that you hate, and look for more buildings that match up go for it!

And to people that think that everyone is going to start being lazy because of the way Activision has handled COD; GET REAL. Like any level headed developer would want to be as hated as Activision and it's studios are right now.
Fel08  +   989d ago
@Kurylo3d

No, it's called being greedy and ripping off their costumes. Why charge 60 dollars for a recycled game, with a couple of new extra features?
nanometric  +   989d ago
@Seifan
Coudn't agree more, bubs.
Tanir  +   990d ago | Well said
and people will still buy this 60$ overhyped dlc
qwertyz  +   990d ago
Activision is the epitome of greed...with all the money they made from black ops they couldn't even use a tiny fraction to create new in game assets ?REALLY...PHUCK EM
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chazjamie  +   990d ago
so 8 million people are going to buy a map pack for about $45. sweet, so much fun.
claterz  +   990d ago | Well said
What the HELL have they been doing for the past 2 years?!?!

It amazes me seeing what a studio like ND can do in 2 years, and yet IW, who probably have a ridiculous amount of money to spend on development can only do this in the same amount of time.

To be honest I don't even care if MW3 sells 20million+ but I just hate it that there are so many great games that don't get anywhere near the amount of sales that they deserve.It just doesn't seem fair to those developers that actually put some effort into their work :(
ASTAROTH  +   989d ago
They dont get the sales and they dont get the RESPECT from the media. Read the MW3 reviews, "same old game but its for the fans" and they rate it 10/10. Meanwhile other games that are different and improve upon the FPS formula are treated disrespectfully by the media just saying: " they try to copy COD but in the ends it fells short" . . . Jesus gaming is really in a bad place thanks to the gaming media.
xX-StolenSoul-Xx  +   989d ago
I know how you feel. But really the way i see Cod players. A lot of them are people who only play Cod and no other game and really just play it to be part of the crowd with their friends since it's whats "IN" nowadays.
NiKK_419  +   990d ago | Funny
I'll just leave this here

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Machioto  +   990d ago
That's pretty dope!
-Alpha  +   990d ago
I remember that back from my childhood lol
HINDERIZATION  +   989d ago
+BUB 8D
mike_d_  +   990d ago
Nothing in CoD is made from scratch anymore(or was at all).Same reload animations,same death animations,same buildings same everything.
AyeGee  +   990d ago
Good thing i bought it for $37 bucks.. it's not worth the $60!
killcycle  +   990d ago
not even worth $37
da_2pacalypse  +   990d ago
you sold your soul for a 23 dollar saving.
AyeGee  +   990d ago
Oh please, i bought BF3 too, if that makes you feel any better.
WittyAdrian  +   990d ago
So? Soul selling is soul selling dude, whether you do something good or not.
thesummerofgeorge  +   990d ago
One time, I sold my soul for a donut. Not worth it.
Keyop  +   990d ago | Funny
Next thing you'll be telling me is that they re-used the engine code too....
bviperz  +   990d ago
LOL!

Clever girl!
showtimefolks  +   990d ago
It's amazing people have issues with this yet millions of them have been buying a tweaked version of COD 4 and MW1 every year. Activision is the king of recycled material in their games. You want them to change stop buy COD and now some will reply to say I am hating on cod. You watch or read all the reviews even though the game has been getting 9s, each and every one has complained about MW3 in some aspects

Time for a new engine
Time to evolve gameplay wise
And now single player with action pack moments isn't good enough

activation can do so much more with COD but why should they when they can sell millions of copies of the same game, than on top of that charge extreme prices for their map packs
milohighclub  +   990d ago | Funny
Lol wouldn't be surprised if people got home after buying mw3 to find the mw2 disk in their case...
cyguration  +   990d ago
That comment deserves bubbles. So, bubs to you, dude.
damnyouretall  +   989d ago
next cod game i buy will have to be next gen. that will have me interested again, maybe. you know what the biggest joke is in the history of gaming? the sequel to black ops next year. i mean come the fuck on man seriously. everyone knows its commin, and its a joke
stu888  +   990d ago
in fairness, Dice has that same bridge in most maps set in a built up area. The one where you go up there with the LMG on the second level of the campaign.
stu888  +   990d ago
but if all overpasses/bridges look like that in iran/iraq fair enough.
Pl4sm4  +   990d ago
bf3 is 10% recycled ... mw3 , 96.9% recycled ... there is a difference bro
iNcRiMiNaTi  +   989d ago
Yeah but it's reused content from the same game. Not content from 3-4 games ago
Tuxedo_Mask  +   989d ago
Come on man, that critique is A Bridge Too Far.
Spitfire_Riggz  +   990d ago
It seems the Modern Warfare Defense team is nowhere to be seen..

*tumbleweed rolls*
GarandShooter  +   989d ago
No they're not, there probably online playing instead of complaining here, completely unaware, just having fun, those dumb...mother...fudgers...

Oh, wait...
Spitfire_Riggz  +   989d ago
@garand

Really? I was just arguing with some cod kids on another article.. weird that they arent on this one..
tawak  +   990d ago
he found it, in just day 1...
"call of duty 4 modern warfare version 1.75 - the expansion pack MW3"
(requires COD4 main game to play)
Drabent  +   989d ago
Imao!
Kaneda  +   990d ago
hahaha.. the real shame is the old building is actually looking better then the new one.. :)
Taker_129  +   990d ago
I thought i was the only one who noticed, lol.
HINDERIZATION  +   989d ago
MW3 feels a LOT like MW1...
gamingdroid  +   990d ago
I think next generation we are going to have $80 games, as consumers are demanding more and more. New engine with every game, new assets for everything, better graphics....

Personally, I see no problem with re-using assets. People do it all the time.

@Spitfire_Riggz below:

Who cares if it is "breaking records"? It's a matter of that gamers are increasingly being demanding, which is good and bad.

Good, we *might* get better games.

Bad: The cost of developing these games are very costly and one of the reasons why we get fewer "risky" and "different" games. Another factor is, resources are taken away to create new assets that arguably has somewhat small experience impact compared to bug fixes, production value and so on especially if it is barely noticeable.
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Spitfire_Riggz  +   990d ago
Well maybe if it was from the last game but from COD 4???

Also why should they demand more for their games when they are breaking records for how much money they are making. I see a problem when you are making an incredible amount of money and still using old crap.
Hicken  +   990d ago
Dude, seriously?

We aren't "demanding" more and more. Improvements are to be expected. Can you name the last series where five games over five years were so similar it was painful?

What comes to my mind: Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero. Both Activision titles. And what happened to them? People got tired of the same things in every game and both series fell off. Why should CoD be different?

I should also mention this has only happened this generation. Prior to this, only sports games were yearly, and since there was no way to upgrade, it was a little more acceptable.

As for your argument about "resources are taken away," that's a given. My question to YOU is: how could you even tell? So many of us are looking at this game and seeing the last few games so easily. Where do YOU see that this game would have suffered to do something new?

Don't talk about cost. Not with Activision. NEVER bring up the cost of development when they're involved. They spend more on marketing than they do developing these games, and with all they money they make off their 20+ million copies AND overpriced DLC, they have more than enough money to not worry about cost. You even bringing that up in reference to a product by Activision is silly.
gamingdroid  +   990d ago
@Hicken
***We aren't "demanding" more and more. Improvements are to be expected. Can you name the last series where five games over five years were so similar it was painful?***

That is just what the haters blabbering, but obviously gamers aren't sick of it as they are buying it in droves to the point where they are lining up outside stores to get their hands on it asap!

***As for your argument about "resources are taken away," that's a given. My question to YOU is: how could you even tell? So many of us are looking at this game and seeing the last few games so easily. Where do YOU see that this game would have suffered to do something new? ***

If it is the same darn thing, why is it that nobody has been able to top it? Make something better? ... and no, I don't consider your personal opinion of something better?

I'm talking about something measurable, and that my friend is sales. The people in general vouch CoD as it is (recycled, repeated or whatever), is more worthy of spending money on than anything else out there.

There is nothing wrong with re-use of assets as everybody does it. Question is, does it fit in? Would you notice it if nobody pointed it out to you? The vast majority most likely doesn't even care... because what they care about it how good the game is overall, NOT how it looks.

... but hey, feel free to complain about that recycled building while the rest of us goes on to enjoy a game without an online pass.

***Don't talk about cost. Not with Activision. NEVER bring up the cost of development when they're involved. They spend more on marketing than they do developing these games, and with all they money they make off their 20+ million copies AND overpriced DLC, they have more than enough money to not worry about cost. You even bringing that up in reference to a product by Activision is silly.***

It was a general comment that game prices are going to rise as a result of gamers complaining about something as insignificant as a recycled building.

Maybe a little reading comprehension would help?
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Hicken  +   989d ago
And everybody in Germany was lining up to be part of Hitler's dream, even those who knew it was wrong. Following the crowd, protecting your own ass; these things exist, and in a multiplayer-heavy, social area like gaming has become, getting a game "because my friends have/are getting it" is a common excuse.

Nobody's been able to top it? I assume you mean sales. In that case, see above. If you mean in any other capacity, there are any number of games that have surpassed it in various ways. From superior storylines to better gameplay to top-notch graphics, MANY games have CoD beat in these respects.

Yes, of course you would reference sales, because you can't measure quality, right? And the fact that millions don't actually care about the quality so long as they can play with their friends doesn't change the fact that they still bought the game. How convenient for you that sales are the only thing you care about.

Uncharted (take your pick) is superior to Call of Duty (take your pick), and yet it will never reach the same sales. Gears of War is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Killzone, a direct competitor, is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Even Halo will never reach the same sales. Are you saying that Call of Duty is better than all of these franchises?

Re-using assets is not a problem to me, and I didn't even bring that up in my response to you, so I'll be ignoring that point entirely.

Your last paragraph, focusing on the "Bad" of gamers being demanding, does not apply to Activision BECAUSE of how much they make. A smaller developer with less resources could get a pass for this, but there is simply no excuse for Activision doing this, because they are not at a loss for money.

Gamers don't complain about EVERY game that does such things. A new kid on the block who has to recycle some things for a sequel when the original only sold 800,000 copies doesn't catch flak. A long-established publisher with long-established developers SHOULD and DOES catch flak when their last ten titles have sold AT LEAST 10 million, and the last two have sold more than 20 million apiece. When you've got the money to spend on Eminem and Kobe Bryant, you've got the money to spend on new assets.

As it stands, game prices will not rise because of this, nor should they... on second thought, they already have, with the introduction of DLC in this generation, which introduces more content (required to have a "complete" game) at a price.

That aside, gamers have every right to complain about unnecessary shortcuts being taken when they're spending money on these games. It's only a shame that more people are willing to roll over and accept these practices from the largest of developers when, of all things, they should never have to do so.
gamingdroid  +   989d ago
@Hicken
***Yes, of course you would reference sales, because you can't measure quality, right? And the fact that millions don't actually care about the quality so long as they can play with their friends doesn't change the fact that they still bought the game. How convenient for you that sales are the only thing you care about.***

That's the thing, to many playing with their friends and being able to do that is part of the experience. It is quality!

from the dictionary:

quality: an inherent feature

http://www.merriam-webster....

***Uncharted (take your pick) is superior to Call of Duty (take your pick), and yet it will never reach the same sales. Gears of War is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Killzone, a direct competitor, is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Even Halo will never reach the same sales. Are you saying that Call of Duty is better than all of these franchises?***

That is your opinion of what is better, but the general consensus is that it is "better" in where it matters to the consumer. If that happens to be where their friends is playing and that is an important factor, then that is a valid reason.

I can think of plenty of reason why MW3 is in many ways better than other games including some of those you listed. After years of the "CoD stagnation", many games still don't do things as good as CoD.

***Your last paragraph, focusing on the "Bad" of gamers being demanding, does not apply to Activision BECAUSE of how much they make.***

So you are holding Activision to a higher standard simply because they are bigger and make more profits. I tend more to lean towards what I get, not necessary who makes them.

If it is a good product and I like it, I buy it. If it is something I don't like, I don't buy it!

Has little to do with how much money they make. Their success isn't a reason for discrimination, something our society do all the time, "All the rich people get richer"... bla bla bla. Back on topic...

***Re-using assets is not a problem to me, and I didn't even bring that up in my response to you, so I'll be ignoring that point entirely.***

Well then, that is what I was referring to in this article that we b!tch about insignificant things, yet more important things like Online Passes need far more scrutiny. The assets here is barely re-used, and the package MW3 deliver is more than satisfying to me.

***As it stands, game prices will not rise because of this, nor should they... on second thought, they already have, with the introduction of DLC in this generation, which introduces more content (required to have a "complete" game) at a price.***

Technically speaking, the DLC consistently has never been of importance. Most of them smell like afterthough extras that is to please the fans. I don't mind paying for DLC, since it is optional and everything. I never once felt the DLC was something that SHOULD have been part of the package unlike Online Passes.

That said, yes, it does increase cost for competitive reasons. The cost of developing video games has gone up exponentially. Recouping the investment takes time and creating a new engine every single time and spending 3-5 years developing a game isn't really financially viable. There is a reason why we get lots of sequels and re-use of engines as shown early in this generation when publishers/developers were having quarters upon quarters of major losses.

Anyhow... I'm gonna go and enjoy some MW3!!! :D
wolokowoh  +   989d ago
No offense but at most we are going to have $70 and that's just because they can. Game development will not increase in cost by all that much. Compare the PS3 to the PS2 or the 360 to the original Xbox. The PS3 is over 100 times more powerful than the PS2. The 360 is over 70 times more powerful than the original Xbox. Even the fastest most expensive computers you can make right now do not provide nearly that large of a gap. Even if Sony made another $600 console that they lost $200 a console sold on right now, the most power they'd get out of it is a roughly 4 times and that's assuming they make it right and get some good deals on the parts. This next generation may very well be the smallest gap proportionally since the NES and the SNES. I don't expect prices to go up that much because there would need to be a new storage format, digital versions are slowly implemented, and let's not forget I can still buy PC such as Battlefield 3 for $50/$60 for the bluray new on release day. The PC version Battlefield 3 is truly a game stuck directly between this generation of consoles and the next. The Wii U may be able to handle it depending on the final hardware and if DICE takes the time to optimize it. I know. I just mentioned Battlefield 3 on a COD article, but it's just the most recent example. I could have said The Witcher 2 or Crysis 2 but those came out at the beginning of the year and the Witcher 2 would come out on 360 until next year so a comparison can't be drawn.
bozebo  +   990d ago
Well, CoD4 is a good game for them to copy from tbh :P

BF3 copied some buildings from BC2 but I'm fine with it.
El_Colombiano  +   990d ago
No. It didn't.
WitWolfy  +   989d ago
I havent seen one building that has been copied and paste directly from BC2 to BF3.

But thats just me
Mr_cheese  +   990d ago
This is seriously bad, I know they do things like this but when i'm paying £42 for a game along with millions of others, i'm expecting a completely new game. Not reusing old models etc, I feel really cheated and to make things worse its noticeable in game.
aPerson  +   989d ago
...then why did you buy it in the first place?

Seriously, I have no sympathy for people that buy CoD games year after year only to *gasp* feel ripped off.

CoD games have been declining in quality for a few years now. What were you expecting???
ambientFLIER  +   989d ago
You're an idiot. Most sequels out there reuse old assets in one way or another. If you feel cheated because one building is the same, then you're the biggest crybaby in the world.
Mr_cheese  +   989d ago
firstly @aPerson, I brought the game expecting a difference only to find out there isn't much of one, campaign wise.

@ambientFLIER, Can I not have an opinion instead of you insulting me because i've said something negative about your precious game? Behave yourself lad. Sequels may reuse etc, but not that blatantly and they really shouldn't either. For the money we are putting into the game industry bar the engine the games should be build from the ground up each time so you get your value and a truly worked on experience. So you can sit back and enjoy your rehashes year after year and never speak up about them, thats your gaming experience ruined by yourself.
bennyace  +   990d ago
If it's such a big deal for you then don't buy it. The milions that do won't really care I think! I know I'll get disagrees fot that but, every one here always say it's gameplay over graphics... only when it suits their needs. Didn't GT5 had like 800 of 1000 cars recycled but no one seemed to care. I know it's not the same category of game... But c'mon, for recycled buildings in a war game it's like the end of the world... Really?
ainsz  +   990d ago
Actuall there were quite a lot of complaints about the recycled cars, I myself thought it was pretty half assed. But, besides that, GT 5 is a quality game which is something that cod lacks.
bennyace  +   989d ago
I here you... And I agree... 'Cause I sold mine because of that... But "besides" cars what is there in GT5?
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White-Sharingan  +   990d ago
Silly activision
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onyoursistersback  +   989d ago
jajaj....when he started to look up, i found out fast thats was the online map from MW...to me thats the best one out the all there games.....
farhad2k8  +   989d ago
Love the hate this game is receiving. When you've got haters, you know you're doing something right.

Like Kanye said, 'If they hate, then let em' hate, and watch the money pile up'.
Which is exactly what Robert Bowling & Co. are doing.

Well done to IW for releasing the most successful game ever.. AGAIN. :D

If BF3 is so good, why is it that EVERY SINGLE TIME I come on N4G, I just see BF3 fanboys everywhere? Why are you not playing your beloved game? Honestly?

Meh, I could care less, I'm going back to a 6 hour sesh' of MW3. Hi hater, Bye hater.
50Terabytespersec  +   989d ago
this is getting ridiculous !!! Get a life you morons!!
What do expect from a multi-platform game?? huh ?? What???
No one said the engine was revamped no one!!!
THis is a game for loser to get off on cause they have no life. Especially multiplayer..
get a multi-player session with real women instead of guys and a controller losers!!!!
Give me a good story mode and some Hollywood explosions...Then give me my girlfriend .. thats how games are played LOSERS!!!
now get out and ride a bike... and stop technology from taking your jobs by getting of the techdik / crckpipe..
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poopface1  +   989d ago
ahhaha WHERE IS THE COMPLAINING ARTICLE ABOUT NAUGHTY DOG RECYCLING ENTIRE MAPS FOR UNCHARTED 3.

oR HOW ABOUT BUNGIE, GURILLA, AND EPIC SELLING OLD MAPS FROM PREVIOUS GAMES AS DLC. thats fine, but god forbid we see a BUILDING AGAIN.

that is funny that a re-used building made these fanboy whine and circle jerk each other, while they eat up recycled ENTIRE maps in their favorite games.
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TyrannoTaurus  +   989d ago
It was ONE building. Maybe it was there as an homage to COD4... or, even more likely, it was in the game because it was already on the disk to be used for a remake of the COD4 multiplayer map from which it came. Either way, it's not that big of a deal. The game is extremely fun for a lot of people and it will be extremely successful. Make peace with that people. It's a fact.
DonaldBeck  +   990d ago
shakes head

makes this face
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Septic  +   990d ago
Well spotted. That does take the mick a bit. There are a lot of accusations of this being recycled on the same engine, but if you're going as far as recycling the same assets for maps, then I do think that's taking the p*ss, especially for a Blockbuster title that has supposedly had millions invested in it.
MasterCornholio  +   990d ago
Minimize developments costs maximize profits. That's how business is done with COD.

XperiaRay
Tachyon_Nova  +   990d ago
Surely hats how business is done full stop? I get your point though.
boommuffin  +   989d ago
i hope activision isnt going to have to big of a say on Bungies new IP, its wierd though cuz Bungies known for inovation & Acti is known for reusing old shit but now they have a buisness relationship
poopface1  +   989d ago
"but if you're going as far as recycling the same assets for maps, then I do think that's taking the p*ss, especially for a Blockbuster title that has supposedly had millions invested in it. "

AHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHHAAHA HHAHAHAHA Im sure that how you really feel.

Tell me. What do you think of uncharted 3?? That game re-used a hell of alot more than a building. It reused entire maps. Halo, Killzone, and Gears of war have even released maps from previous games as DLC.

I guess its ok when other games re-use and even charge you for ENTIRE OLD MAPS. But god forbid a game you dont like reuses a single building in the NEW maps that come with the game. Then we are going to hear about what a travesty it is.
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news4geeks  +   990d ago
good on them, I use similar techniques in my uni work.
CynicalVision  +   990d ago
Laziness is not a technique.
MajorJackHoff  +   990d ago
It's more of a lifestyle.
Coffin87  +   990d ago
Oh come on, I don't really see the problem here.
Vice City, San Andreas & Bully had the same (100%, model & texture) snack & drink machines, you know where you could spend 1$ and get some health replenished (in SA). I noticed that at some point. Nobody made a video about that, I sure as hell didn't either.

I mean really, come on guys. I 'dislike' what has become of the gaming industry probably as much as anyone else here, but this is THEIR work.
It is THEIR work of art, theyy created it, they own it. I don't exactly know how it's called in english. They have the copyright for it, they probably spent a few hours designing that building and the textures. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't use it again.

The trend of bashing CoD has become way too hipster.
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LolololRumz  +   990d ago
@Coffin87

Problem with that is they're aren't THAT many different styles of drinks machines they pretty much come in one format. With buildings though the possibilities are endless.

Recycling a drinks machine is minor as it's a minor asset, a usable building from 2007 isn't acceptable.
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Coffin87  +   989d ago
Aha.
BlmThug  +   990d ago
Milk, Milk and more Milk
dooge  +   990d ago
Milk milk noob grenade around the corner COD is made.
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Pl4sm4  +   990d ago
love milk with chocolate syrup ..... yumi :D ... but this game makes a weird stench in my mouth
AntiTroll  +   990d ago
STOP BUYING CALL OF DUTY.
Dlacy13g  +   990d ago
My response to your request... no, I happen to enjoy the COD games for what they are, not saying game of the year but certainly a fun ride...so no, I will keep buying as long as they entertain me.
ShabbaRanks  +   990d ago
It’s a shame because I like the MP of cod I won’t lie, but I have too many games to play and in the end cod is always the same… There so scared of making too big of a change that they just recycle the same thing every year. That’s why I’m not buying any cod game anymore.

Activision is the Illuminati of gaming, slowly there killing the gaming industry by making these overpriced DLC's. With 15$ map packs and 50$ for a system just to compare you’re stats with ur friends. The reason why it’s killing the industry is because some game companies see the profit their making and they want to do the same. So now too many FPS's are like cod and I’m sick and tired of it.

Anyways if they keep doing the same thing like this it’s gonna fall for sure. One day the average gamer is going to realise this and stop buying cod for good…

**MP shouldn’t be based on "Perks" but "Skill" and that’s one thing COD really managed too fuck up in gaming.
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Dlacy13g  +   990d ago
I do get where you are coming from, and I wont argue that I think they are due to make some major changes as in new engine. We definitely can agree that it is something we both would like to see. However I do still enjoy the product they put forward.

Also, not sure if you are aware but the $50 Elite subscription gets you all the DLC maps included, and you get early access to them. Its basically the season pass concept we are starting to see others use.
Parapraxis  +   990d ago
"Activision is the Illuminati of gaming"
Activision exists though, the "Illuminati" is just some BS that exists only in the mind of conspiracy theory nuts.

Maybe come up with a better analogy. Like Activision is the NCAA of the gaming industry.
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Parapraxis  +   989d ago
3 people are wearing tinfoil hats..
princejb134  +   990d ago
its just a building guys stop over reacting, were not playing to stare at the buildings is to have fun
pr0digyZA  +   990d ago
It's not the building that's the problem, it's the theory behind it thats the issue.
TLG1991  +   990d ago
OKAY GUYS we dont need building because we dont stare at them so just remove them all together and have a massive open area. in fact that would be the best thing COD would do to stop the retard campers. on another thought keep them we dont want the children infesting our BF3, UC3, R3, CSS, games
Tachyon_Nova  +   990d ago
Yeah because there are no campers in BF3 who just sit back with a sniper rifle or a mortar are there? Or in Resistance 3 who get a cloak and then wait for someone to come along...
superrey19  +   990d ago
@tachyon_nova

But in BF3 if u get killed by a camper or sniper the maps are so big that u can easily flank them or blow the building they're hiding in.
StayStatic  +   990d ago
@tachyon_nova

SUPRESSSSIIVEEEEEE FIRREEEE

Yes thats how engineers role , see a bunch of wookies and watch them crumble under the wrath of an RPG.
HarryMasonHerpderp  +   990d ago
Sneeky swines!
TLG1991  +   990d ago
this is a disgrace like it wasn't bad enought that the lazy bastards use te same engine and modes and storyline and maps (rearanged) they actually take building from a game that is from the start of this gen.

i know this game will sell many more than any other game, but i hope the sales do fall short of previous CODS and we start to see the fall of the COD era and developers can get back to making real games knowing they can get more of a profit for putting in the immense effort they do in comparison to this EXCUSE for a form of entertainment!
KonGreat  +   990d ago
Well thank god there are other games out there! But I do think that it's rediculous they use the same buildings. Although they are in the power to do so!
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TLG1991  +   990d ago
I'm in the power to go steal sombody popular video and put it on my own channel as something new. it doesn't make it right or acceptable
CoD511  +   990d ago
One of the reasons I don't wish to buy it. There's a huge amount of recycled assets and honestly, the new assets they added are of a way lower quality than previous games.
AyeGee  +   990d ago
Recycling is good for the planet, though!

/s
Getowned  +   990d ago
Then I hope you didnt buy BC2 or BF3 because they did the same thing.
ambientFLIER  +   989d ago
"the new assets they added are of a way lower quality than previous games."

HUGE eyeroll. Proof, please...
CoD511  +   989d ago
There's not much proof one can give, unless you really want to pick how efficiently the triangles are used on models.

But as an animator myself, IW's (MW2 and earlier) animations are some of the best I've seen, the replacements not holding a candle to their work. Likely due to many animators having resigned with the 2/3 of IW that left... Subjective of course, but I'm sure you'll find many agree.

While the new weapon sounds are fine, they're not hugely distinctive either, with several weapons sounding essentially the same...
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tigertron  +   990d ago
That was a good building though, I always used to run up there in pipeline and pick off targets.

Still, I'm not surprised...this is Activision after all.
xX-Jak-Xx  +   990d ago
even the Red Dot sight is a copy
Fishy Fingers  +   990d ago
Yeah and he's STILL using his hands to hold the guns. Lazy devs are lazy.
MariaHelFutura  +   990d ago
Wow. You are starting to sound like a 12 year old fanboy. Never thought I'd see that......

K, bye.
whitesoxfalife1976  +   990d ago
nice one fishy lol
Dlacy13g  +   990d ago
@Fishy Fingers... I have heard rumors they also used the same boots for the feet.
ambientFLIER  +   989d ago
Yeah, and there's a G36C as well, and it looks the same as it did in MW2, even though it's like not supposed to and junk. GRAB THE PITCHFORKS !!!
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InTheLab  +   990d ago
I love the "Activision MADE IW recycle" line. Good one. I'm sure EA made Bioware recycle areas in DA2.

Stop giving IW a pass. You've been playing the same game since 2007 and it's not Activision's fault.
jizzyjones  +   990d ago
£45 is alot for COD 4 DLC, no thanks.
MiloGarret  +   990d ago
I wish it was COD4 DLC. I'd HAPPILY pay full price for that. Unfortunately it's a new, different game.
Kingdom Come  +   990d ago | Well said
Is it just me, or does the building actually look better in Call of Duty 4 Modern Warare than it does in Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3? How is this atrocious recycled ugly mess of a game receiving such high praise...

The bad thing is, I had initially hoped that publications wouldn't be so blind in creating their reviews and give the game the score it rightfully deserves (around the 6.5-7.5 Mark) and that Infinity Ward might realise that they have milked the engine as far as it will go unrecognised and might actually pull their finger out, however, with IGN and such scoring the game 9/10, they will continue to do so as they realise they're getting away with it...

Whilst developers such as Epic and Naughty Dog take the time and effort to craft a more beautiful engine and give gamers tons of new gameplay mechanics and such, COD gets away with downgrading graphically as to allow more stupidly outrageous Michael Bay moments and a new Multiplayer mode and they sell tens of millions of copies to the herds of sheep following the crowd, why are people so blind to the fact they are purchasing the same game year after year?
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PR_FROM_OHIO  +   990d ago
Well said bro!!!!! My thoughts exactly!!!!
DigitalRaptor  +   990d ago
Well said buddy. if only everyone could see this...

It irritates me that such as poor game is getting those reviews and will sell HUGE numbers. It's more surprising that such a significant multi-billion dollar IP has been handled so poorly yet people still buy it. There has never been more of a worthy time for this franchise needing to burn and burn hard.
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chazjamie  +   990d ago
"How is this atrocious recycled ugly mess of a game receiving such high praise... "

Every reviewer should include that line in their review of mw3
ndl1531  +   990d ago
man exactly my thoughts . this garbage is getting a free pass as always for being "more of the same " and any other game would get butchered for being "too similar " and now you have THIS ? rehashed reused buildings ? so it is basically cod4? WTF is wrong with gamers nowadays ? do they see what i see? are they f*cking blind? man its just baffling to me and watch the end of the week sales will be over 10 million . thats what pisses me off the most . a game soo undeserving getting those tipe of sales .
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whitesoxfalife1976  +   990d ago
cuz its a mainstream game thas why
Dlacy13g  +   990d ago
@Kingdom Come... my only counter question to you is, have you played MW3? I personally haven't yet so I can't say it is or isnt deserving of the scores...but it seems to me given the overwhelming positive scores that this game just may be worthy of the high scores.

And mainstream doesn't just give COD games a pass... COD:WaW I think sits around an 83 on metacritic which is pretty low in the ranks of COD games.

Anyway back on point... If you have played MW3 and legitimately feel its a 6 - 7 score then so be it. But if you are just saying 6-7 because you don't like the fact that Activision pushes this franchise out annually then I think you are being a bit bias and then its a case of pot calling the kettle black.
Kingdom Come  +   990d ago
I think a better question to ask would be, "Do you need to have played Modern Warfare 3 to know what it's like?". With most sequels featuring advancements to multiplayer there is a certain degree of freshness and slight unfamiliarity, however, continuously Call of Duty feels like the same game. And having spoken to a friend of mine of who has got MW3, he has claimed it is exactly that yet again... I doubt I'll get another Call of Duty game until Infinity Ward learn how to create a true videogame sequel...
_Aarix_  +   990d ago
Gears of war 3 deserves atleast a 9.3 (I think a 9.8) But MW3 deserves lower than black ops which got a 7.5,
_Aarix_  +   990d ago
AND IGN GAVE THEM BOTH A DAMN 9.
Yodagamer  +   989d ago
lol ign O.o
idiealot  +   990d ago
FIND MORE!!
Fishy Fingers  +   990d ago
LOL the amatur dramatics is strong in this thread.

Still, pretty lazy, wager that 99.9% of people wouldn't care let alone, notice though. Probably the case in many sequels.
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venom06  +   990d ago
Activision are once bendin people over the table and giving them the business... and once again, braindead people are $60 to take it... HA! wonder how much more on this game is recycled????
WitWolfy  +   989d ago
This seriously sounding TOO familiar... Like Guitar Hero familiar...
MiyagiSPG  +   990d ago
I'm not defending them by saying a lot of developers do this but... this is still lazy nonetheless, especially for a game which pretty much sells 20 million+ so i would expect this for a game selling a couple of hundred thousand, but this?
Dam!
Droid Control  +   990d ago
I have no problem with it. What is wrong with reusing the odd building?

Its not like they were replicating the same streets or levels or anything.
xX TriiCKy Xx  +   990d ago
But that particular building played a big part in the map on CoD 4. If its the same in MW3, meaning everyone goes in there, then its almost like they replicated the level.
Dlacy13g  +   990d ago
he saw that building in Single Player...I didn't hear him say anything about it being in multiplayer where that building appeared in CoD4.
egidem  +   990d ago
He actually spotted this building halfway through the single player campaign. The problem is not the building, it's the fact that they went ahead and decided to reuse the building, thinking that people would not notice this...THAT'S the problem.
ambientFLIER  +   989d ago
Yeah, it was a total conspiracy theory. They thought we would all be too blind to notice, but a visionary like EGIDEM was able to break through the cloak of shame and spot the building. Well done! Egg on their face!
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Colonel_Dante  +   990d ago
Bobby Kotick deserves a refund!!

I mean, He paid three devs to do their job and make MW3 and they still recycled stuff lol
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csreynolds  +   990d ago
Had to laugh at this...
Jdoki  +   990d ago
Big deal
Bolts  +   990d ago
They should rename it Call of Dragon Age 2.
A-Glorious-Dawn  +   990d ago
did they think people wouldn't notice?

I mean I was very familiar with that building in COD4 and i'm sure I would have spotted it in game.
MasterD919  +   990d ago
You couldnt tell from the same parked cars that have been in MW1 & MW2?

Of course they recycle buildings.
joshpoppedyou  +   990d ago
theres a difference between a car and a pretty recognisable building, i was never giving hate though, i just found it pretty humorous that they thought they could get away with it
MasterD919  +   990d ago
The average player would never notice. Articles like these will tell thousands of players about it and months later, it still won't stop them from playing. The majority just flat out don't care. It's just funny that with all that money and all these years passed they can't even invest in some new building designs.
Nunchez  +   990d ago
Activision how low can you go? I can't believe people buy this seriously that's just sad and funny at the same time.
wenaldy  +   990d ago
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me thrice.....???
TheEatingVodka  +   990d ago
shame on both of us
BattleTorn  +   990d ago
the entire industry has been fooled, at least three times.
SP3333D-O  +   990d ago
Wow. At least Back to Karkland has been revamped for a new engine.
Dlacy13g  +   990d ago
So was it ok for DICE to give us new maps in BFBC2 that were merely a "lighting change"?
Pandamobile  +   990d ago
BC2's maps were free.
Ser  +   990d ago
Guess what, they didn't cost anything, though! That's the beauty of it. :)

Why complain about something that was free?
Hufandpuf  +   990d ago
And looks totally different from the original maps. The layout and concept are the same though.
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