Reading and watching all the pre-release reviews for BioShock confused me. Massive scores were being given out, but no one was explaining exactly why this game was as perfect and revolutionary as the 10/10 scores were suggesting. Why was that?
while I still think BioShock deserved its 10/10 I do respect his opinion on why he feels the game deserves a 7 or 8.
which gave it a eight
other mags hand out nines & tens far to easy
in other mags i believe when they give it a eight its a average game, but edge give average games 5/10 so when it hits a 8/10 you know its going to be good
good game but really over hyped
Why is some dudes (that's not even a professional game reviewer) opinion of bioshock something that should be heated up to 750 degrees and considered news on this site.
Is it because his opinion deserves it or is it because of the insuing flamewar that posting it to this site has caused. This place needs some checks and balanced.
i agree, and your not supose to submit peoples thoughts about a game unless there doing a review for a news website or something (read the rules and guidelines.
Gee, don't know how I could have figured that one out.
From the article
"I'm not accusing reviewers who gave BioShock 'perfects' of being blinded by fancy graphics and sound (I am accusing reviewers who gave BioShock 'perfects' of being blinded by fancy graphics and sound),"
I don't know about that being the case... cuz if it was, lair would have received higher ratings....
Lair is glorious (graphically) in certain places, not so much in others. Where as bioshock has consistent good looking graphics. But I see what you are saying though, Lair should have gotten points for graphics just for their first attempt. I mean look at how huge the levels were, and how much was going on on screen.
...Lair had to deal with MASSIVE draw distances where Bioshock had the advantage of dungeon crawling.
But I will say Bioshock's water is the best I have ever seen.
this game has 2 different endings ,not that makes a difference, but bioshock is the most fun i had since super mario bros, zelda, first metroid, metal gear, half life 2 and chronicles of riddick. i think is that good.
Nobody can really explain what makes a game perfect, becouse a perfect game has the little extra, which is hard explain what is.
but I can tell you for sure that a "perfect" game would have an awesome multi-player.. or something else that gives it almost unlimited replayability.
Bioshock is a 9 or 10 out of 10, I think the game is amazing and its up their with Half Life and Halo. All of them being awesome games which everyone should play.
lol, Half-Life and Halo. The first one was actually a revolution in the first person shooter, completely reinvented our notion of the genre, the latter............Was just another game on a console. Halo was not bad, it has alot of depth, a rich story, but the gameplay and the general concept has been done to death.
Bioshock, loved my first playthrough, really, the game has a remarkable atmosphere and like Halo, beautiful architecture and a rich history, however it's not up there with Half-Life 2 for me, I haven't been able to replay the game, and although it was a fantastic game like it's spiritual predecessor, System Shock 2, it's just more of the same thing and that doesn't impact me in the same manner that Half-Life did.
I'm not dissing any game, it's just my opinion that Bioshock and Halo are not equal to Half-Life or Half-Life 2, but I'm a Valve fanboy. This is not meant to be a flame to you by the way, just wanting to put my general opinion out there.
Had Halo been released on multiple platforms, there is no doubt in my mind that you and everyone else would think it is a cult classic. It would get raves from everyone.
These "halo isn't that good" lines come from two places, hate or ignorance (lack of halo playtime)
I would say its the other way around half life was just another mediocre FPS, the story was inane had no real point, wasn't really revolutionary...And really? was way to easy.
if there's any ignorance in here it's putting any recent FPS, especially a console one, on the same level as Half-Life.
He is busting balls over review scores to the fact that there is no good explanation as to why this game received such high scores.
Most of the major reviews (that actually matter) are multiple pages of writing as to why they believe Bioshock is one of the greatest shooters of all time.
Yet this guy wants to give the game a 7 or an 8 and his whole explanation is only about 4 short paragraphs long.
Hmmmmm.... talk about lack of content in a review! And contradictory at that! Also, he thinks Space Giraffe is a better game.
Sure, its his opinion but that doesn't mean he is right!
Not to mention, this is a stuipid blog site!
no game is perfect, so i just ignored those websites that gave the game 10/10 scores, cause that just shows unprofessional behaviour by the reviewers...
Edit: lol just for the record guys (or fanboys), i finished Bioshock for the 4th time now, just to get all those achievments. I would give it a 9/10 myself, so next time think before you write some dumb comment, thx.
and to DrPirate yeah people definitely need demos, like now Lair for example, without playing the demo first i won't buy the game...
just shows un-parallel fanboyish behavior on your part.
I'm sure when a Ps3 titles gets a 10/10 you'll be up on them sites [email protected]
No, it's about as close to a ten as your gonna get with a game, yep, it's that great. Bioshock is a winner.
PS - maybe you should play the game before you post.
Oh there is perfect games, but everyones perception of perfect is different to the other.
final fantasy 7 is the perfect game to me.
Games can achieve perfection as its in the eye of the beholder
Metal Gear and Legend of Dragoon were both 7 games and are amongst my favorite games ever made.
As a fan of past Sony consoles, I learned to stop reading too much into reviews, and start judging what I buy from rentals, demos and watching gameplay videos.
A reviewer is supposed to tell me if I will like the game. His opinion is of no use to me as a gamer. When a game comes out that is of the highest quality in graphics, AI, environmental interaction, plot, etc., then he should compare it with previous great games. His score should reflect that analysis.
So for me, that makes it an 11!
heh that was pretty funny. Everytime I hear 11 I automatically think This Is Spinal Tap. 'but these go to 11'
Yeah FPS can get off with good looks alone which is why Lair didn't get perfect scores by looks alone (not a fps). BioShock is a good game but I never did understand why it got the 10/10's but that's just me. I really liked hacking that was my favorite part of the game (a little more variety would of been nice but you can't get everything) but the wrench was the best weapon of the game and I'm not a fan of the no dyeing part. I was blown away at the start thought it was one of the coolest horror films but then I died (or really didn't die) and it took all the horror away.
Still have and love it but I believe the man when he says 8/10 which by the way is still an awesome score.
Hey, dude has an opinion, got to respect that. But opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, and personally I think his stinks on this issue.
His review is so generic and shallow, as his only complaint is that the game isn't revolutionary. Just thank god his little rant isn't an official review at some respected site or mag, and belongs in the drags of the billions of useless blogs.
But regardless, I feel the same as him on many other games that got great reviews, like the Final Fantasy series or Guitar Hero, wouldn't waste my time on those rather medicore games. Yep, for lots of you, my opinion might also stink.
But it's his opinion, and respect it.
i thought bioshock was lots of fun but not perfect. i don't like this ratings crap but if i was to rate it i'd give it an 8.5
Where's the NEWS 4 gamers?
I kind of agree. It's a great game, but it's not "Gears of War" great.
Bioshock > Gears of War about six thousand times.
The depth of the gameplay, and the ensity and richness of the story alone doesn't even let Gears hold a candle to this game.
It's meant to be a thoughtful shooter, if you think it isn't greater than Gears of War, you were expecting Bioshock to be a run of the mill FPS which it is absolutely not.
Hey, I think both are great games, I bought them both on the first day they came out. I just prefer Gears a little bit more.
...when you've hardly played it? The guy's gamercard is shown below his profile, and he only got 28/50 achievements while playing the game...which means he basically blew through it. You can't say a game is shallow, has poor storytelling, etc, when you didn't bother to play the game like it was meant to be played. He didn't do any researching to completion, didn't do any hacking, and didn't upgrade any weapons or abilities. I guarantee you he didn't bother listening to many audio diaries either. Hell, he spent more time/effort on sh1tty games like Full Auto, Superman Returns, and PoTC:AWE. Stupid people like this, are the reason truly great games often get overlooked. I bet he's never even played classics, like Psychonauts, Beyond Good & Evil, or Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. What a jackass. :o
for me it's a 9/10
Your avatar is a 0/10.
I'm still rotating my head trying to figure out what the hell it is...
I have no idea what it could be. It looks like a deformity with an open wound.
Called in sick today. If you don't think in deserves a 10 that's your opionion. Just tell me what game within the last year is better. If there is one, I haven't played it. Have a nice day.
And the timeframe between games shouldn't matter with consoles. Someone who just bought a 360 yesterday doesn't care if GOW has been out longer than Bioshock.
That said, I don't know if I can directly compare bioshock with anything else. It is a toss up between GOW, Bioshock and Oblivion to me.
All three seem like 10 of 10 games, And they are all so different that they are deserving of that 10 of 10. Bioshock does what it does perfectly. GoW does it's own thing perfectly, and Oblivion does it's thing pefectly.
Personally I like the 1 through 5 ratings. I think G4 put it best. Whats the difference between a 9.5 and a 9.2? They are both 5's (Owe it to yourself and your family to play this game). Having a 1 through 10 seems so unnecessary. Everyone has their own opinion, seems stupid to somehow say "Well...It wasn't quite a 9.5...but it was better than a 9" I mean COMON what small minute detail would make the difference?
sorry, got a bit off topic there :)
Maybe I'll start my own blog and post that on N4G. Or as someone recently said, this is starting to become NBG (News BY Gamers).
Bioshock was definitely the best game I've played this year (so far!!)
But I agree with Edge magazine's review which gave it 8/10.
Bioshock delivered great graphics and atmosphere, but I felt the first few hours were much stronger than the rest, and the game never quite lived up to the depth of something like System Shock series or Dues Ex.
In fact the game felt a bit too linear. Instead of exploring Rapture I was just being funneled from level to level. Also the Plasmids were fun to try but I wasn't compelled to vary their use as I found a combination which worked and stuck with it.
However, as I said... it was a fantastic game. Possibly even GOTY material - but for me at least it did not deserve the 10/10 scores... My personal score would be 89 or 90% max.
Just because you played it that way doesn't mean thats the ONLY way to play it.
I beat it twice (for both endings) just so I could try playing it different ways. And ya know, it CAN be a different game depending on how you play it.
And ultimately you DO have to stick with a level to level structure. otherwise there would be absolutely no goal. But HOW you can go through each level can vary.
How you play it determines the experience you have with the game. That's the beauty of it. Most games don't give you that flexibility. If you think it's fun to go around and beat everything with a wrench then you can, but that doesn't make the game FUN. Some of the reviews I've read don't reflect this. They assume that the way THEY played it was the way it was going to be played by everyone. But the way they played it probably wasn't as fun as it could have been.
Do people with nothing better to do with their time want to release bad stories about games and consoles? Bioshock was an awesome game and derserved the credit it recieved, im sure that there are some people who just arent into this type of game,just like i think final fantasy games are sh1t but i do understand that alot of people like that sort of thing so alls fair in love and war, but do i go out, be gay and look for silly things to diss it? in the words of macauly culkin, i dont think so, so who ever posted this article needs to resect that many people enjoyed the gane and thought it was a ten score.
I think Bio is great (still playing it) I never thought a 10/10 meant the game was perfect, yes I understand its a perfect score, but I always thought the score was meant to say that its one of the best games ever, an experience that shouldn't be missed. If Iam wrong someone please tell me what game is perfect?= Its impossible because its subjective so either a 10/10 just means that the reviewer is saying its one of the best gaming experiences he's ever had or NO GAME EVER SHOULD GET A 10/10, my major problem with Bio is that when you die you can still comeback to kill off Big Daddy and other enemies easily since their health doesnt reset to full when you start over= still the game provides plenty of challenge and the story/atmosphere draws you in so well the gameplay itself is rock solid with great graphics, so yeah its flawed, but why is it so much more fun than so many other games that I've played on any console?= its a great game=
"my major problem with Bio is that when you die you can still comeback to kill off Big Daddy and other enemies easily since their health doesnt reset "
EXACTLY. The only 2 knocks on the game are what JOY just pointed out & lack of multiplayer.
Otherwise, the game is exceptional in every aspect. Bubbles 4U JOY.
his name is super famicom as in "FAMILY COMPUTER",
this isn't news, it's just this one kid showing us he knows too much
Why do every damn blogger have to get their opinions out loud. Like it matters that some random gaming blogger says something about some game.
So many mags gave Bioshock good review that it has to be good, and it really really really IS good. People who say it is just another FPS have not played it. Ok it is another FPS but there is so much more in it.
We don't need more Bioshock reviews or speculations of why it got so high scores. It got good reviews because it is good, as simple as that.
I would give this game 8.5-9
it a 7 or 8 now knock off a point for no online like the chumps did for warhawk and at most you'd get 6/10 mediocre game AGREED
So why would a PS3 fanboy like yourself EVEN CARE?
Why do you even bother reading anything that is EXCLUSIVE 360 news?
WHY? What the hell is wrong with you?
And what the hell is wrong with YOU (person who disagreed)?
Retard. whoever you are.
If you don't like the console, then why the hell even bother reading news about it, MUCH LESS make some stupid ass comment about it?
I don't agree with his review, but at least he backed it up with good reasons and his opinion seemed honest. There is always room for differing opinions on games. It's the fanboys that ruin these debates by not giving honest opinions.
The great thing about games is there is such a variety. A game that is great to me might suck to you - and vice versa. Nobody has time or money to buy and play every game. Buy the games that you like and forget the ones you don't.
I played all the way through Bioshock and would give it a 9.5 out of 10.
I think it was the best game i have played all year. It reeked of originality which is rare these days.
No game is perfect, i think we all agree on that for the most part.
when i game gets 10/10 i tend to take it that the game is not perfect but as good as it could possibly get.
i think there will always be little things that could be done better, but its when all those things come together and deliver an overall experience that you know if the game is a 10/10 or not.
the problem is that some things can affect that experience more then others. controls for example. Lair looks great but from what i have heard the controls let it down. I know Res-Evil 4 is an awesome game, but didn't enjoy it nearly half as much as i thought i would because i didn't like the controls at all.
i do think Graphics are important in games, but they won't frustrate you the way a bad control system can in a game. You will just look at it and think...ya it could look better or that looks crap.
if a game looks great, but the AI is crap (graw) or the controls are bad, it can really let down the experience.
Bioshock gets everything just right.
I was expecting more, but it is still a great game.
You need to go by what you feel is right and for me, the game gets a 9/10. It has some fram rate issues, glitches and the wide screen issue bothers me a bit. That would be the few reasons for the deduction of one point but there is so much that keeps the score up at 9 for me. The game is great and was more than I expected. I loved System Shock 2 and this game was no dissapointment.
Tis obvious; the media wants to dampen the hype for Halo 3. Simple as.
It's a great game and perhaps it does deserve 10/10, but even if it didn't it would still get it to steal Halo's thunder.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to insinuate that this game is not as good as space giraffe is heresy. SG is crap with a capital C.
I wouldn't give Bioshock a 10, either, because nothing is perfect. It is a masterful piece of gaming work, however, and if it is only a "good" FPS and deserving of an 8 or so, the remaining categories in art direction, presentation, sound, etc. easily push it well into the high 9s.
actually agree with him, I have played the game and was very disappoited with the game. I think it is a game that deserves about an 8.5. For those of you who are wondering I own a 360 (look me up on live) I just didn't think this game lived up to the hype.
At first I thought the game had excellent sound/graphics but that it was lacking plain old fun. After you get farther into the game though, it really is fun, I enjoyed playing through the Fort Frolic level the most.
people complain about games getting a 10 out of 10, but why have it as an option if every now and again a masterpeice came along and you werent allowed to give it a 10? its not perfect, nothing is, but is it a 9? no chance. God of War was universally a '9' game, (quite rightly may i add) and to suggest bioshock is only equal to it it ludicrous.
think of all the games that have gotten 8's and 9's in the past, from Edge ect, and then think of how much better, how much awesomer the bioshock experience is. its easily a 10 in my book, in every aspect.
Any score under a 9 is ridiculous. A score of a 7 is outright stupid and is someone calling for the attention his/her parents didnt give them as a youth.
Also, I would like this clown or someone who agrees with him to give me 10 games that are better than BIOSHOCK.?
My score of BIOSHOCK: 10
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 10
Gears of War
Half life series
Mario Kart series
God of War 2
THere is many more so it can be done, not that im saying bioshock isnt great just wanted to prove ya wrong because im a c**t :)
And I would argue that you can't possibly say any of those games are BETTER than Bioshock because they are so different.
How can you POSSIBLY compare final fantasy with bioshock? Or Metal gear solid? ENTIRELY different games. Crackdown and GTA are more comparable, and so is MGS and Splinter cell. SOCOM and Ghost Recon. FF and Blue Dragon, etc.
I would say they are ALL top tier games and the best of their genre. But I couldn't possibly say that MGS was any better or worse than FF 7. Hell, I couldn't even say that either of those are any better than super mario world for the snes.
Bioshock is so good because it IS very different. If it wasn't different for "you" (thats a general "you") then its because you just tried to play it like every other FPS. But you don't HAVE to play it like that.
I really don't know of a game that directly compares to bioshock.
I think thats whats causing some of the descrepency with the reviews. Some people understand that it has such flexibility that one players experience will be different from anothers. I finished it twice (from start to finish) and it felt different both times because I approached certain situations differently.
10) halo 1
9)Gears of war
7)god of war
2)zone of the enders: the 2nd runner
1)super smash bros melee
Bioshock is a good game just that there is a whole lot more better games
looks good but all the same game play
(reply) hey dumbass i like game
i said it just over rated
(reply2) i have lair its still rapped up
i cant stop playing warhawk
ignored sony fanb!tch.