SEGA will make a new console

Although not a secret that SEGA has long working on their LINDBERGH / RINGEDGE project today revealed that they have officially signed an agreement with Imagination Technologies of the United Kingdom, which will begin work on "very high-tech image of the console Next Generation.

[RedPawn]

Sega your ass is on a role, but slow down and think about what type of octagon your jumping in. If True.

But I still love you HANG ON/SAFARI HUNT.

[qface64]

like i said before SEGA doesn't have the mulah$$ to re-enter the console market
why people can't seem to understand that i really just don't get

i think they should re-enter the console market just to show everyone how this would possibly bankrupt them if they tried

[RedPawn]

I'm not worrying about SEGA's finances, just reliving some great youthful days.

[zireno]

I agree, they are risking too much if this is true, but also I don't think many people would get on board with a 4th console, having the current 3 consoles is way more than enough gaming at least for me, and even with 3 there's always a console just gathering dust. If they really are getting into the console market again I wish them the best because love it or hate it, SEGA has done amazing things for the gaming world but it's gonna be extremely difficult to compete with Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.

[Conloles]

Lol wut as if Sega has enough money for this.

[DaTruth]

Maybe they could re-enter the console market... if it weren't so over saturated with bigger players and well known brands!

This is like the first gen where all players could prosper and I doubt it will hold true next gen!

[cpuchess]

How would we know if they have the money or not?

[N4g_null]

Hmmm sega's console side doesn't yet the arcade side may be ok. Another thing is this, what if ms backed them sure it would be going against the xbox but here is the kicker, ms doesn't want to make a new xbox and the sega box could be compatiable with it.

This is what people in the arcade side of the biz is thinking........

Type-2X runs all the major arcade games out. It is a pc running xp with a core duo in it and an ati card some have nvidias.

The platform would compete with this. We done really work in the arcade sector yet capcom USA should know about this.

Another thing is there are really only two console out the sd one and the hd upscaled ones. The pc doesn't count to most console gamers yet another pc grab tech wise would give us true hd consoles more ram better gpus etc.

Also sega is needed badly, the hd consoles out are not very inspiring tech wise.
They are way to similar to pc tech no real edge. Maybe it's time for them to come back. It really does seem like they've been holding back too.

[dabri5]

They don't have the first party titles to back a system anymore.

[morganfell]

How do we know? Their financial status is a matter of public record reported quarterly. They will have to obtain some major financial partners. NOT GAME PUBLISHERS WILLING TO SUPPORT THEM, but financial partners willing to invest hundreds of millions, even a billion dollars for this venture. Yeah, with Sega's recent record a lot of companies are propbably waiting to jump on that deal. A lot of companies that are tired of being successful.

Why make a new console? So ass games now have exclusivity? Hey wait, that might be a good idea. It will make them easier to avoid.

[vhero]

I honestly think this is for something else rather than a new console like a dreamcast mini. What I mean by that is you seen the mini mega drives/genesis about for £20 in shops which have like 20 games built in. You plug into your TV and play. I reckon they are thinking of releasing a DC version or maybe Saturn.

[nveenio]

That could be true. They could be talking about the next generation of "pocket-change" consoles. They could also be adapting some of the old 8/16-bit games to motion control and selling a "new" console with that feature. There's already a couple of crap versions of that sort of thing out there somewhere.

[McMee]

i miss the ol chime seegaa

[Kurt Russell]

Get in SEGA!

I like the fact people say they don't have the finance... You forget they it's about the games over tech for some of us. Nintendo proved that with their gamecube motion control...

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYTONA AAAA!!!

[Droid Smasha]

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[R2D2]

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[fossilfern]

Hmmm seems abit strange adding all the Dreamcast games to the PSN and XBLA if they are gonna make a new console. But i suppose if it helps them get the money im all up for Sega coming back into the race :D

[Alcon Caper]

I wonder how much money they can cut off their overhead with a console based purely on digitally distributed content? I mean, how much money does OnLive have? I'm sure Sega has more...

[cyborg6971]

Why can't these sega fanbois get over it? I did and it was easy because they had so much crap out at one time who could keep up with it. And as a DC lover it sucked to see it go but it did now move on. Some peeps act like the love of their life has died.

[PCnPS3Gamer]

personally id rather sega instead of ms. before i die i want to see ms bow down to sony and nintendo...see the xbox fan tards try to spin it somehow .then sega replace them now thats a name that brings back memories. i wanna see sega vs sony round 2.....ms has all ready ran away to fight nintendo... sega mise well replace ms .....seem like a good idea.....personally i do not want 4 consoles so one of them has to leave.

with 3 the fanboy wars are bad enough and multiplat scandle add sega to that mix would be like throwing gasaline on a fire.....lets take some wood of the fire then throw some gas on it.....

[Tony-A]

Then why would they bother releasing Dreamcast games on the competition?

[Duke Spookem]

Because their console would come out next gen and releasing Dreamcast games to the competition this gen could bring in newcomers and get people interested in the newest Sega console where Sega's games would be exclusive.

[birchoff]

So true. They're fishing for future fans already. :) Hope they'll make it, cuz I'd really love a new SEGA-console. :)

[TheLeprachaun]

It also means they'll have more monies to help with development/advertising etc...

[RealityCheck]

Just an idea, what if Sega had a partner? What if Sega was comissioned by Microsoft to make the next gen console so that Microsoft doesn't have to worry about the hardware this time around? It would allow Microsoft to have a better chance in Japan given the Sega angle, it would automatically guarantee Sega exclusives to Microsoft, it would give Sega the financial backing and unlimited marketing\advertising from Microsoft.

[R2D2]

Its sounds good on paper but MS would rather die than to sleep with Sega.

[TheColbertinator]

Uhh not yet SEGA

[Ether]

Oh, great. You know what this means- yet another class of fanboys.

[The Wood]

If this console is for next gen it will definitely spice things up.. Sega still have the rights to more franchises than MS do, maybe even sony though i doubt it. Not sure whether its a good or bad thing at the moment tbh

[stb]

Your argument was great, until you mentioned sony, more what? tittles...LOL

[N4g_null]

Lol stb sega made atari games why wouldn't they have more ip. I mean really I would love For their old arcade games to come back.

We will see but what if evil ms bought them lol.

[wiggles]

lol

[adamx]

I wish this were true, but sadly sega can not compete with sony,micro or nintendo

[Projekt7tuning]

If its true, well I still have love for Sega and I guess i will have to buy it too.

[hamoor]

NINTENDO FANS HIDE!!!! Sega is back to kick Nintendo,s ass like they did in the past!!

[Aphe]

Umm....they didn't though did they. Let's be honest now.

[qface64]

they did that in the past?
you sure your from our reality?

[hamoor]

The Genesis??? The NES was a no match for it

[LightofDarkness]

The SNES? The Genesis was no match for that.

[qface64]

you said kick ass but again like i said what reality are you talking about?
which company is on top right now and which had to thrown in the towel?

genesis might have been better than the NES performance wise
but this is like comparing the wii and the 360 1 is better but overall which one is doing better hmm?

obvious choice is obvious just like it was in the past
let the facts speak for themselves shall we

NES 61 million sold
master system 13 million

gameboy 118 million sold
game gear 11 million sold

SNES 49 million sold
megadrive/genesis 40 million sold

n64 32 million sold
saturn 9 million

woah i can really see the ass kicking you were talking about

[LightofDarkness]

The Genesis was released much in the same way the 360/Dreamcast was: they hurriedly tried to be first to market, after modest success/failure of their previous brand, in an attempt to snag market-share before the competitors' (Nintendo, mostly) next machine made it to market. The Genesis remained a distant 3rd in Japan but enjoyed large success in the western regions, thanks to a re-launch of the console with Sonic The Hedgehog bundled (I think they had Altered Beast bundled first). Gamers all over the world were holding out for a SNES, and when it finally arrived (albeit 2 years later) it simply out-shined the Genesis in every way.

Does this story sound familiar? :p

[PiTCHBLaCK]

"Let the Sega and Nintendo fan wars begin."

[pustulio]

Like the PS3 and XBOX360 war, now we'll have 2 wars!

YAY!! :D

[Ngai]

Genesis, GameGear, DreamCast.. just a few examples that were all more supperior than competition.. at that time. Things have changed though. Gaming has a broader audience and even more time and money is being spend on games, products, development and marketing! Yes marketing SEGA.. That's where you've failed so many times. It was sad to see you go. But some things should just stay in the past. "If you repeat what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got. [A. Einstein]". SEGA, wait.. calm down, think about it. Would be sad to see you go down once again. But if you think you can deliver this time around, oh yea! go ahead :D

[RedPawn]

You can keep all your numbers,stats,quotes,charts, and what have you. But NOT A SOUL AROUND THAT ERA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BULLSHIT THAT WAS JUST POSTED.

Nintendo and Sega had the Fucking game, Jesus Christ how lame can one be. I tired of this petty I can pull worm bait out of my ass talk.

E3 just ended, can't we agree that it was eventfull.

People loved SEGA products just as much Nintendo. No one is on no ones bank roll, and Microsoft does not have 1/3 the IP's that SEGA created, but I'm not dissing them.

[CrazyForGames]

um wha?

ill be honest with you i have no idea what your on about right now or where it even came from

[SaiyanFury]

Haha, Genesis does what Nintendon't. I always loved that ad. I don't know if SEGA will come with the same strong support it had on the Genesis, but having been a SEGA fan when I was a kid, I'd love to see a new SEGA console released. They really screwed things up in the early-mid 90s with all of the addons (I own all of them) to the Genesis and Saturn. Practically giving the entire generation to the original PlayStation and Nintendo's N64. To this day when I boot up an emulator it's to play a Genesis/Sega CD/32X game. I loved SEGA back in the day and I still do. Hell, they brought us the Yakuza series, one of my fave series of these last 2 generations. The series is an amazing mishmash of storytelling, action and narrative gameplay. Shyte, they even brought out Valkyria Chronicles one of my fave titles this gen. A brilliant JS/RPG in it's own right that has a DTS track! If they can bring something more to this gen (even to me as an ardent PS supporter) I'd happily welcome them. :)

[Sarevok]

It would be financial suicide if they did.

[SOAD]

One could say it was... seppuku?

[Sarevok]

Lol Bubble+

[Close_Second]

...they would need to side with a major player looking at getting into the console gaming stakes. Apple seems like the logical choice. However, why would Apple need Sega as they have there own library of shovelware to leverage off :)

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

I know you guys probably won't believe me but I will just say it anyway.

About an year or two ago, some guy friend requested me on PSN. I have no idea how he got my PSN, probably from some online game. A little while after, he claimed that he worked for SEGA. I was like, ok cool then he went on telling me that SEGA is working to get back in the console business. Of course, with common sense, I didn't believe him but I said to him how that would be nice and such just to be nice. Now with couple of articles claiming that SEGA is planning to make a new console is starting to make me think that this guy was actually telling the truth... So if SEGA is indeed coming out with a console, I won't be surprised at all. Unfortunately, he deleted me after telling me all about this.

What I've remembered him telling me, they were planning to include 1TB HDD and will use Blu-Ray as the console's disc format. Let's see if that does happen.

Only time will tell...

[ravinash]

A 1TB HDD and BlueRay would cost a bit wouldn't it?

With a good processor and more ram it would be a winner, but the more you put in, the more it will cost.
Will be interesting to see what they come out with if anything.

[duplissi]

interesting... can the industry support 4 consoles? or is sega's new console doomed before it lands?

hope it works.

[SOAD]

I doubt it. Market saturation could lead to a gaming industry crash like the one in the 80s.

[DelbertGrady]

I would really want Sega to succeed with this. I've always love both their hardware and software.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Tbh Some of sega games are good but none of them are that good for them to actually have people buy their console least IMO. It was very sad the way the playstation 1 basically raped them. I use to like sega but they are the past now And I love to many of sony games to jump ships to them. Maybe some people will but I know I won't sorry =(

[duplissi]

hmm? did you know that it is possible to own more than one console!?

I KNOW I KNOW its amazing! I didnt believe it at first but with a little ingenuity it can be done!

[Colonel-Killzone]

Did you know that it is a choice and its not mandatory ?

[duplissi]

yes it is but, BUT you said "And I love to many of sony games to jump ships to them". owning another console is not "jumping ship" no to jump ship is to switch from one to another.

[PCnPS3Gamer]

you know what if you own 2 consoles you seriously need to get a life and go outside....you obviously must have a full time job to pay for both of those consoles plus games accessories n such, there fore you either are a impulsive buyer that buys things you dont use at all or enough or you have absolutely no life outside your parents basement....im fine with what you choose to do with your spare time but dont act like people are dumb cause they only own one console...

guess what multi console owners you are a minority considering the majority of people in this world have bills to pay for and food to buy, oh yeah and social lives outside xbox live or psn...

fucking multi console owners that think they' re better then us average people....

and if you own 3 consoles you should think about giving some money to charity cause your obviously wasting your money, or consider some therapy.....

[supremacy]

mean..sonic hasn't exactly been what it used to be though, and the whole crazy idea to get people to like your games by putting them on competitors consoles don't work as intended.

its exactly what happen to say resident evil 4 when it was first announced as an exclusive to the cube after the previous 3 had been on playstation.
developers were force to pretty much port the game back to the ps2 or else no one would buy it.

to me Sega has lost its relevance in the console business, they are part of the reason why the xbox even exists today. their demise made wave for this to happen.

both Sony and nintendo just have too many franchises that are still relevant in comparison to what sega has had or don't have anymore.

they've been ask to make a new shenmue game and yet they refuse to do that because its too expensive for them.

Sega gt was more or less a GT clone which failed several times before become non existent, sonic well you know the deal with sonic.

if anything they've only got a few ips that remain relevant, as far as 3rd party support is concerned? well namco for some odd reason had issues with them in the pass(due to the whole tekken and virtua fighter rivalries they've had), same for squarenix and even EA to some extent, the biggest of support they always had was capcom. and im sure they'll still develop for them.

In the end i just feel they are just going to be wasting their time and only help saturate the market with more multi platform showelware. i mean at least Sony's got a few studios to craft em games but in general man...

[muzikjunkie80]

i have a serious question for u my friend are u a gamer or a follower/sheep? as u do know its ok to own more than one console. its ok sony wont hunt u down if u do its a free world :P

[Colonel-Killzone]

Um no I have my own mind and I know the games that I like. I only have time for 1 console not multiple consoles. And I rather not have to switch back and forth between consoles did that in the past and its not for me. Im sticking to only 1 console and thats my choice. Your free to judge if you want I could care less. And following who may I ask ? Like I said before in the response its a simple choice its not mandatory to own one console just like its not mandatory to own more then one. Everything is a choice it has nothing to do with following. But think what you want IDC.

[Seferoth75]

No not really dude. Wheny ou are a real gamer you have no choice but to own more than one. One console owners are usually just fanboys who embarrass themselves most of the time when talking about games because they are honestly casual gamers who play a VERY SMALL portion of games..

I dont know what I would do if I only had one platform.Certainly wouldnt consider myself a gamer if I only played 1 out of 6 platforms.

To me it is like a kid on a basketball court who does nothing all day but shoot 3 pointers and he thinks it makes him a ball player to only do a small portion of the entire game.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Dude everything you just said is a opinion not a fact. Why are you trying to justify your opinion as a fact. You are certainly not putting any type of money in my pocket to tell me how many consoles I should or should not buy. Fanboy has nothing to do with it. Is my lil cousin a fanboy because she only has wii because thats the only console she likes ? No it certainly does not. And idc what you consider yourself. Just don't make your opinions seem like its a fact because it most certainly is not. I have no choice dude everything is a choice nobody forces anybody to buy a console. When have you heard of sony microsoft nintendo putting a bullet saying buy my console or else your not considered a gamer. People have different taste and not everybody view is gonna be the same as yours. Your logic is flawed in a lot of ways. No offense but your whole post was stupid and a waste of a response.

[JumpNPlayBon]

@Colonel-Killzone

dude, there is only 2 types of gamers that game on one console, with SOOOOOO many good games out there, there are those that can't afford another system, and naive fanboys. PERIOD.

There is nothing wrong with not being able to afford ALL the systems.

However, there is great wrong being a fanboy.

Only you know the truth.

[gcolley]

SEGA who?

this would be a bad bad move, their dreamcast was better than playstation2 (content and techwise) but it still got murdered and it was first to market. casual market sewn up and hardcore market sewn up. they would really need something game changing to even make a dent in the market.

[Close_Second]

...but who will support it software wise. If there is money to be made then who knows who might line up.

[WLPowell]

and probably activision.

[matey]

LOOK THERE OUT TO GET SONY/MICROSOFT IN OTHER WORDS SHOW THE WORLD HOW EASY IT IS TO STEAL THE SHOW OFF 2 COMPANYS THAT DONT INNOVATE THEY JUST ADD A FEW MORE BELLS AND WHISTLES SOMETHING ANYBODY CAN DO EVEN U AND ME M8 THEY NOW THEY CANT COMPETE WITH NINTENDO ANYWAY SEGA WONT HAVE A CHANCE WITH THIS WII OR THE NEXT,WII 2 IS GETTING AT THE LEAST NINTENDO HAVE COMFIRMED IS FUSION APU GPU TECHNOLOGY AND IT CAN DO IN GAME CGI GRAPHICS AND DIRECTX11.1 GRAPHICS ASWELL SO GRAPHIC WISE OR CPU WISE THEY WONT HAVE A CHANCE BECAUSE U CAN ONLY GO SO FAR WITH GRAPHICS AND WITH WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN FUSION IT WILL DEMOLISH ANYTHING ELSE ON THE MARKET FOR REALISM

[HurstDarkStar]

if i see good games when/if they ever announce one i will gladly support them. Sega as a console maker were great, they never really left a sour note in mind when it came their consoles.

[earbus]

Count me in sega can i trade my ps3 and 360 on it.

[RedPawn]

Sega has a SHIT load of IP's, they've always been ahead of themselves, it's just they never get behind things at the right time.

I would humbly welcome SEGA back to the foray.

[phantomexe]

Yes sega do it....I will be waiting in line for the new one just like i did with the dreamcast which kicked ass. Truth be told this is hard to beleave even tho i would love to see it happen.

[ll_UNDERSCORE_ll]

I guess SEGA want's another "L" in their record.

[Snakefist30]

Sega Was My First Console Game Though.I Use To Hav Lots Of Fun With Sega.Its Gud To Hav It Back.

[ElementX]

I remember Alex Kid in Miracle World, Phantasy Star 1 & 2, Ghostbusters, Fantasy Zone, Double Dragon, Monopoly, the list goes on and on! Sega Master System rocked!

[ChronoJoe]

I wonder if they can afford to push a console on a loss for 10 years... probably not. I can't see them having much flexibility if there system causes financial difficulties.

I'll watch it, but I'm not buying one. The other Sega consoles never had a 'great' lineup. Only thing that's annoying is, I guess I won't get to play Yakuza 5, and so on?

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi__]

...a 2011 E3 rumor??? ;-D

[TheLeprachaun]

I'd say we'll hear something next year aye, but it might be 2012 before we get a full announcement. Hopefully it'll be 2011 though.

[pcz]

maybe it will be a machine with lots of built in games from segas back catalogue (genesis - dreamcast - arcade) and will have emulators so you can put in saturn and dreamcast discs.

[WLPowell]

Get to work on Shenmue 3, Sonic Adventure 3, Crazy Taxi 3, Condemned 3, Panzer Dragoon 3, Otogi 3, House of The Dead 5, get Soul Calibur (6?) exclusively, Virtua Fighter 6, Virtua Cop (not on rails), and whatever Kamiya and Platinum pulls out of their asses (it'll be insane and it will be good) ready at launch and you'll be the console to beat. Just be sure to support it smart this time.

Read that stuff on it, may be too expensive... Sega... C'mon... THINK!!!!

[Z777]

Now it'll be Sony vs Microsoft and Nintendo vs Sega. Look at the bright side, now Nintendo will have a competitor lol.

[Silber]

i love sega, but please no! That woud definetly be one console to much on the Market. I liked how Sega develop for all other Platforms and Nintendo too. That woud be completly nullified then...

[blib]

From a Russian source? Right, because all the hottest game news breaks in Russia. Believe me, if it were happening I'd be the happiest gamer on earth. But it isn't happening, unless SEGA/Sammy has found a back door to Fort Knox. :)

[tdinc]

Apple investing in SEGA's new console? partnership? wouldn't that be something...

[blib]

Sure or Virgin. That would also be interesting. But I still won't believe it until I see it. These rumors have been going around since 2003 and we've yet to see any home video game hardware. Just goes to show how much their core users loved their machines and arcades.

[Droid Control]

SHENMUE 3 - Launch title for the Dreamcast 2!

[ATi_Elite]

Sega doesn't have the cash, leadership, vision, or developers to bring out another console.

The Sega Dreamcast debacle shows you that Sega is finished. I believe this is just an over hyped rumor.

Sega can not compete with Nintendo Microsoft Sony and the PC not to mention Apple if they enter the video game market unless... Sega make a system in cooperation with Apple

[TheMutator]

FIRST DAY BUY!!!!!!!!!!

[shink]

We don't need to break the game market even more, I'd rather not have more consoles to choose from.
Sega as a game company is fine as it is. VC3 on PS3 please.

[ghostgaming]

I dont think Sega has the funds to get into gaming again - Unless MS pays them 200M for an exclusive game {shenmue 3). I kid I kid. The only way I can see them getting back into consoles gaming is if they team up with one of the current makes (like Sony and Nintendo almost did)

[chad22hkd]

I love the sega of old. But first they need some good gaming ip's. What would they put on there. Sonic, and Alpha protocol. Yeah shenmue is cool, and a few other's could be great. But the dev teams just don't have the know how anymore. Well I don't know, it would be cool. But even if it's real I don't know how great this will be.

[Greek God]

is always good, that means sony or ms or nin
have to try harder
soo better for us ...right?

[Xfanboy]

Shenue with these graphcs???

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Yawnier]

Something about this article seems a bit fake.....

I would wait for some more trusted/well known source/website to say something just yet, don't get your hopes up but this would be awesome if true.

[kasasensei]

"SEGA will make a new console"
Stop dreaming a little...

[kesvalk]

i hope sega gets bankrupt, then nintendo gets the IP for sonic and make some good sonic games, he deserves it...

[c64days]

That's was abvius from the begining. When nintendo sold gimmic to the masses and earned tons of money without even builing a new console, while using the old one with a new shape, it was abvius that sony and microsoft will not make the same mistake, and will not build a Hi tec nex gen consoles.

No, everyone is going into make tons of backs on gimmics and we, the hardcore gamesrs are fucked up, while grandma will be happy.

If this is the case, i hope Sega will enter the market , with a new console that will be supirier to the others in term of graphics and hardware, and i hope it will be success. This is the only case that will fix what nintendo did to the market!

[Dellis]

They should hook up with APPLE, SEGA + APPLE= MS is done

[frankymv]

hmmm...

would be interesting if true but I'm not sure how true this rumor is. Fact is that it costs massive amounts of money to jump into the console race.

[Convas]

You know what guys, there comes a point in time where enough is enough. With the amount of handhelds and consoles on the market today, how many videogame systems can one man own with out killing himself. I mean, if this rumor were to come true, can you imagine having and keeping up with 3 or 4 consoles? Plus your PSP and/or DS.

After a while, it's just too much money. I'd like to see what they'd do with it if this does happen, but I don't think I'd buy it. The Market is just WAY too crowded.

[Omega Zues]

It would be almost impossible for them to enter the console race when several of their titles are in development for other consoles that are always bound by contracts.

Neat but no, this is only a rumor.

[FanboyPunisher]

More than willing to try a new brand if they out-do the comp.

[ATi_Elite]

I would love to see a Dreamcast 2 if done right but since it's Sega that will never happen. For example Sega Mega CD Sega 32X Sega Saturn all total failures and then the Sega Dreamcast which was actually better than the PS2 but lacked the first party titles to take it over the top.

Sega doesn't have the cash, vision, or leadership to battle Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo in the console arena. I can only see Sega entering the market if Microsoft bows out of the console market and returns to the PC market (to battle Apple) leaving it up to Sega Sony and Nintendo.

Sega to be successful needs to make the Dreamcast 2 like a mid level PC and crank out AAA first party games in 1080p installed to a HDD through Digital Distribution with free online play.

Ill regardless the next gen of consoles will be the last so Sega will fail either way as consoles will be glorified PC's and the saturation of the console market will lead to it's collapses leaving the PC Apple Sony and Nintendo handhelds as the only survivors.

Sega would have to produce a console that would dominate Sony' PS4 and I just don't see that happening as Sony's technology and first party developers are TOP NOTCH!