Right now, every military command post and every training center is packed with PCs. In the future, many of those machines might be replaced with game consoles - if the armed forces can ever work out their disagreements with the console-makers.
Come on microsoft you are a billion dollar company and can't even support the troops with your xboxes? That's just fail, but the most fail point is that the ARMY WANTS TO BUY THEM not ask to get them for free.
The equipment they provide Army is mostly faulty anyway, cant c y they would want 2 add 2-them numbers if u ask me
OMG, another flamewar. 360 haters are gunna refer back to this article for the rest of the year :/ "There's so many reasons people around the world despise MS. We'd be better off without them here to ruin gaming." Yeah, to bad the world is too busy playing Wii fit and Modern Warfare 2 to care about this. Cry me a river. Btw, Saaking how many PS3s has Sony sold to the army???
There's so many reasons people around the world despise MS. We'd be better off without them here to ruin gaming.
It would be a nice gesture for MS to give the troops Xboxes, but it's not going to happen. I don't think Microsoft is willing to invest much in public relations...
1.The Army wants to buy them. ( for those who didn't read the article before commenting.) 2. Sony already sold the Navy 2000 PS3s. ( for those who don't do research befor commenting) http://videogames.yahoo.com...
Ok first of all its from an article originally on why the army don't train on Xboxes. Secondly he approached them in 2006! Thirdly, its hardly as bad, Microsoft wasn't just giving them away they were approached to buy them by the US Army. Microsoft didn't want to be affiliated with the negativity of the US Army eg civilian killings and relating it back to their product. Some of you guys need to read the articles and before you all bash MS note they have done a lot for the US Army and charities (anyone recall Bill Gates dedicating 10 billion to his charity?) Microsoft have done more for the US Army than Sony, Nintendo or most gaming companies.
And for those trying to boast a story with a link, they should at least read their link before making a bold comment. It was the AF that bought the PS3s not the Navy. For those who want to make comments without doing research. edit: Additionally, companies do stuff like this all the time. This is no different from and company dropping an athlete because of bad publicity. They don't want to be affiliated. Lastly, let's not get video games and politics mix. There is nothing more damning than politics. (Ask the guy getting paid more than you because his plays golf with the boss...lol)
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No one has done more for the Army than the American taxpayer. Why should gamers care if console makers sell to the military? Why is this news? EDIT: Yes yes DSI how carless of me to say Navy instead of Airforce. I won't edit it out I know people like you get very few joys in life. I'lll leave that one there for you bud.
Back in 2006, barely a year after the 360 launched: * Microsoft was afraid that the military would buy up lots of Xbox 360s, but would buy only one game for each of them, so MS wouldn’t make much money off of the games. * A big military purchase could create a shortage of Xbox 360s. * If the Xbox became an Army training device, it could taint its reputation. Microsoft was concerned that “do we want the Xbox 360 to be seen as having the flavor of a weapon? Do we want Mom and Dad knowing that their kid is buying the same game console as the military trains the SEALs and Rangers on?” Smith told me during an interview for Training & Simulation Journal. ------ I see nothing wrong with those points and the refusal becuase of.
The donate Billions every year to charity...
I despise M$ just for The Reiterative use of updated versions of NT OS + The error 8007ffff and how they can make lot of [email protected] stuff and when this things just don't go anywhere, there's No problem cuz windows profits will recoup all the money lost, I mean what a waste of Money and Time... Edit: I don't know where the "debate" will end, but I don't see anything bad about MS selling/Not Selling consoles to the US Army, since Sony already did I think, so what's the deal...
"Btw, Saaking how many PS3s has Sony sold to the army???" in fact, http://www.google.com/searc... but i don't see how microsoft refusing is a big deal... its just doesn't make economical sense to do this.
Microsoft and even Sony for that matter do donate consoles to the military for recreation purposes. What the army was asking for here was to use them for simulations, training, etc. There are images of American soldiers part of the Future Force Warrior program using 360 controllers to pilot drones and such. Regardless, even if Microsoft did sell the army the Xboxes to do simulations on and such people would be here saying things like "oh they're supporting X war, killing, etc," in other words the usual anti American sentiment present on this site by some members. Edit: They had a recent USO thing in Iraq, http://www.adoptasoldierpla...
Who cares? The military is out there fighting for our companies to have the RIGHT to say thanks but no thanks. I mean, how dare a company in a capitalist country worry about their bottom line?! The horror! Seriously, nothing but love for our men and women in uniform. But I can't blame MS for being a bad guy in this situation.
You don't see Sony or Nintendo handing out consoles and you don't see Dell lining up to dish out PC's.
they should give it to them... the army could use them as low grade explosives also...
@Comet lol that vid had me on the floor....
Yeah, their reputation would SUDDENLY be tarnished, by selling their product to the army, not by their faulty products with hardware failures and 17-year-old viruses and shady, anti-competitive business, just this.
The first reason Microsoft gave is actually a good business decision. In 2006, which is when this guy talked to Microsoft, Microsoft was selling Xbox 360s at a loss. If the military wanted to purchase lots of 360s, Microsoft would lose a lot of money on the consoles, and more importantly, not make them up in software sales because the attachment rate for consoles sold to the military would probably be small. The military doesn't plan on purchasing a plethora of games to go along with the consoles. At least that's what MS thought. And I think it was a good business decision. To all the guys who think that training on consoles could save lives, what the hell are you thinking? Games are nothing like real life, and I think it is absurd that anyone could train in real warfare with a gaming machine. Hint: Real warfare is not like Modern Warfare 2 or Battlefield or even MAG.
A title change plus a mass mod deletion? Something is fishy here...
No, the Army does not want to train on Xboxes. The equipment is not reliable enough but most of all the MS is more difficult than Sony concerning allowing non-publisher affiliated development kit usage. The US military cannot port over material without dev kits and a great amount of such training material is created in house. In addition, 360s server no other purpose whereas a laptop, though more expensive can provide multi-purpose employment. This is why the Marines and the Army use VBS2: http://virtualbattlespace.v...
Sony's a Japanese company, you moron. Why would they sell to American troops
1.Because they have an American division dedicated to American relations, ran by mostly American citizens, titled SCEA.........you moron. 2. You do realize that America includes North, South and Central...did you mean US?
LMAO - thats why xD!! I love it how they ALL went out on it =P hilarious... - on a serious note - I guess the army doesn't need 360...they have PC's...not MS's fault.
Guess it makes sense the Army want 360s - cheap as sand and about as useful. Pile up the 360s and you've got a nice perimeter to keep those gun toting sheep farmers in their place... 360 - it only stops bullets... r.
..but in that article picture, the boots are playing PS3. Add in the fact that you can network 'em and make a supercomputer, and I think the military's liking the new $300 price tag. "Sony's Japanese, why would they help American troops?" Erm...Japan is their biggest ally in Asia. "Ally": a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose, typically by treaty.
Actually, MS supports the Military buy offer what is called EEP (Employee Preferred Program). They offer the military and their direct family members the ability to buy MS Software for little to nothing. For instance MS Office 2007 Enterprise only cost me $12.95. Yup, only paid for the shipping. Military members buy this for personal use. They also offer Xbox 360 Consoles, controllers, games, etc on a discounted price as well. Dell and Apple offer the same program for military members. SO they do supports the troops. This coming from someone who is a military veteran.
Im sure the Army will find another company that makes bombs
You mean duds.
You just earned a bubble courtesy of me.
They saw this...... http://www.youtube.com/watc... well you can't blame them :p
To bad Sony can't find a company that can make them good games or gamers to buy em.
haha awesome video
ima definetly have to bookmark that vid LOL
dont you just love em.. *cough* teamkillers
Are the people at wired idiots or the sony wannbe fan girls club who posted it.
Sony should supply ps3s to the army also.
It would be nice, but they're a Japanese company. If Japan had a standing military then I'm sure they'd donate to their own troops, but giving to another country is kind of stretching it, even for a relatively good corporation like Sony.
Yeah... at some point Someone will build Skynet anyway, or more like PSkynet3 Gamers FTW!!!
They did.... http://hushedcasket.com/nod...
But didn't they spend 50 Million on 2 gta IV dlcs for 1 year?? oh well beats me.
i'm not totally surprised by this. i would think being one of the most successful and AMERICAN companies, they wouldn't mind selling some xbox's even if it means selling one game. god forbid only buying one game, whatever shall we do!! gimme a break, i wish i could ship my xbox directly to an a serviceman/woman right now. free of charge
ill give you my address right now if your serious
I dont know why the military would want those things when they have this supercomputer - http://videogames.yahoo.com... But i guess it does get a little cold during the winter and a superheater would be beneficial. Edit: lol oops lemme correct it and say military
thats the air force btw
the high execs responsible for this decision and send their fat, lazy, sorry, greedy, ungrateful butts over there to the front line. Maybe then they might have a little more respect for our men and women in uniform. Oh wait, what am I thinking? They might lose money and besides all those soldiers are only giving their lives for this country. Boy am I stupid. Microsoft, get your sorry selves out of the gaming business and just freakin go under already. We're better off without sad american companies like you. Worthless. Absolutely worthless......
"They need to get the high execs responsible for this decision and send their fat, lazy, sorry, greedy, ungrateful butts over there to the front line." Oh please! Thats so easy for you ta say over the Internet huh. Why don't YOU get ur butt over there and fight yourself if ur so damn passionate???
yes, good come back almighty MS defender. honestly, you sound ridiculous, we could all sit around and yell at each other to join the army/navy/air force but the fact is MS should give a frock about the people fighting wars we are all too chickensh!t to fight ourselves. how old are you out of curiosity? how is the weather in your bubble?
um whats stopping the US army from going too game stop?
there is no gamestop, genius.
again whats stopping them from going too a "gamestop" or anywhere that sells them
And who's gonna pay for all those Xboxes, the taxpayers? What's stopping the army from going to a store and buying Xboxes is the same thing that's stopping M$.... money.
oh yeah i forgot the US army pays with IOU's my bad /s
If MS gave the Army Xbox's they wouldn't see the money for 10yrs and Americans would have to pay for it.
A bit of a cheapshot move by Microsoft if all the army wanted them for was to give the troops some entertainment. But this war is pretty unpopular with many people, maybe The Soft decided it was best to just not get involved. Even if they would be only supplying game consoles.
This War may be unpopular but it seems the mind set of most Americans are. Hate the politicians who sent them to war, Not the Troops for simply doing they're duty.
Hey Sony! here is a fantastic opportunity for you! PS3 supports the troops and cures cancer =P
what u mean us army bought ps3's for their super computers
Still losing money on each system? WTF
WTF indeed because the 360 has been profitable for about 2 years.
you sure you arent thinking of the xbox division as a whole thats been profitable for the last 2 years? the entertainment division or whatever its called now as opposed to the console itself? we're talking accessories, live subscriptions, DLC, micro-transactions, royalty fees, etc
this happened 4 years ago... remember how easy it was to find a Xbox 360 this time in 2006? Yeah... why would Microsoft sell 10s of thousands of 360's when they couldn't even supply the public... You know the Marine Corps doesn't have this problem... they just buy them a few hundred at a time.... I don't imagine though that any of the console makers can throw a million plus consoles at the US Army and still supply the public... though the DoD has been purchasing in smaller quantities for some time now... they were doing in back in 2001 so I imagine it's ramped up a little since then
This is one of the comments on Wired thread by a poster.... Posted by: captbilly | 02/9/10 | 4:26 pm The kind of thinking that makes sense out of the claim that a government computer costs $1000 while an XBOX costs only $200, is the logic that causes our government to make stupid buying choices in almost everything they do. As another poster already said, the hardware in an XBOX would today cost about $250 -$300 if it was purchased as a complete computer, not the $1000 that the government may spend on a typical, much more powereful, computer. As to Microsoft’s apparent unwillingness to sell XBOXs to the Army, I seriously doubt that Microsoft could actually refuse to sell them to anyone, but I do understand the economic reasons for not wanting to. Game consoles are heavily subsidized by their manufacturers. A PS3 (an increadible piece of hardware at it’s introduction) cost way more to make than it sells for, but SOny makes up the difference in licencing fees (to game manufacturers), as does Wii and XBOX. If the Army bought a million XBOXs and installed one game (maybe of their own design so no fees to Mircosoft) then Microsoft would lose a bunch of money on the sale. These game consoles only make money if the owner continues to go out and buys or downloads games and content, and the Army isn’t going to be doing that. I am an ex USAF pilot and I was involved in many contract negotiations between the USAF and suppliers so I understand how expensive it can be to deal with the military. Those infamous $100 dollar hammers really did cost the manufacturer $100 to sell to the military… because the military wanted mountains of documantation or sold tha hammer as part of a vary expensive to design system. I can only imagine what the Army would want as part of a $200,000,000 XBOX sale, the paperwork alone could cost Microsoft millions.
"Mr. Madison, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." - quote from film, Billy Madison ;-)
Because of igornace level of the masses, you might not coprehend what I'm about to say. In my department of where I work. The price of a (Dell) PC is over $1000. For that spending budjet a department recieves every Fiscial year, the must use it or loose that monies they recieve The Gov't can buy up to 3-4 Xboxes for that price. So yes, they would loose alot of money for just hardware alone sold without online, acessories, games, etc. So before you jump to conlusions, look at the whole picture before you judge.