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inFAMOUS: Second Son’s Retail Version Shows Radical Differences Compared to E3 2013 Trailer

Today the first 20 minutes of gameplay from the retail version of inFAMOUS: Second Son were leaked, and interestingly enough they include a scene that was shown during the E3 2013 trailer.

Even more interestingly, the new version of the scene is very different, showcasing completely remade lighting and even some different environments, as you can see from the screenshots below.

Update:

Since some people really can't look at an article without taking the chance to flamebait or to be overly defensive, please allow me to take the chance to clarify something important: Not once the article mentions a "downgrade" or an "upgrade." There is a difference in lighting, time of day and environments, and at least a scene has been changed in its contents. The comparison is not about *quality* and visual fidelity. It's a simple before and after to show how a game evolves in nine months of development.

"difference" does not mean downgrade. It doesn't mean upgrade. It means "difference." It's different. Not necessarily worse or better. Just different.

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kiz2694865d ago

Only seeing a time difference (sunset not midday), graphically looks very close to there concept. Also the locations have changed but not graphically.

Irishguy95865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Earlier reports were correct, the graphics have taken a massive dive

This was apparent in leaked gameplay vids. However now it's clear as day. Seriously, the X1 and Ps4 were completely miscalculated by MS and Sony....or..well, not really. Like E3 2005 again but just not as bad on sonys part

Seriously
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

The difference is immense. I wonder why they changed the lighting from before too? Imo the old one looks better, however Infamous 1 and 2 had their own 'unrealistic' lighting which looked great in the gameplay and set the mood so maybe it's better for the gameplay

Yes it clearly is a massive dive kiz. The texture resolution, jaggies, shading, shadows, all look like **** compared to the E3 version.

In the pic alone above, the hat, the buttons, the jacket, the facial details, everything is very noticeably worse.

kiz2694865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

The difference is the time of day, if the new image has the same lighting with the harsh sunlight, they would be incredibly similar. Detail wise they share the same detail, but its hard to tell because the two images are compressed at different resolutions. Its definitely not the "massive dive" your stating.

@in reply to your edit about the time of day

I would say they changed the time of day because it add to the atmosphere of the scene, if they having an argument it would make more sense to have it dark and gloomy not in the a nice summers day.

@ second edit

I seriously cant see what your seeing, the two set of images have different resolutions and are both compressed. I see little to no "jaggies". Taking to consideration the resolution difference, the textures are the same for sure. the time of day is different and the environments(not the appearance just the objects in view)have changed but i wouldn't say for the worse.

lifeisgamesok865d ago

"Radical difference"

They should have just said "downgrade"

GarrusVakarian865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Lmao...

"The difference is immense"...."massive dive"

C'mon, that is pure hyperbole. Apart from the screenshot you posted being very low quality/compressed, it also doesn't have the same lighting conditions as the E3 build. The E3 build is very saturated and has direct sunlight on the environments.

If you wanna compare, at least use screenshots that aren't taken from low quality footage and with different lighting conditions and make sure they are the same res.

"Yes it clearly is a massive dive kiz. The texture resolution, jaggies, shading, shadows"

"In the pic alone above, the hat, the buttons, the jacket, the facial details, everything is very noticeably worse"

....you are complaining about the texture resolution and jaggies on an uncompressed picture taken from low quality YOUTUBE footage. Look at the edges of that 2nd screenshot....blatant signs of compression, plus the fact the image is only 720p(?). C'mon man.....You are grasping at straws here. At least compare a direct feed 1080p screenshot to another direct feed 1080p screenshot with neither being compressed.

The only difference im seeing in the E3 build and the newer build is lighting conditions/shadows. The area in that cutscene doesn't look like it's in direct sunlight like it did back at E3.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Eonjay865d ago

Are you saying that the E3 trailer has been downgraded to the best looking console game. Ever.

GarrusVakarian865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Here is a direct feed, 1080p screenshot from a cutscene of the most recent build shown to the public - http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Here is your biased, compressed screenshot from a cutsecne in a youtube video- http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

Lol. Doesn't look washed out/jaggy/low quality at all in the image i posted. Next time, make fair comparisons.

Although i do agree on the lighting, but im not sure if i would say "downgraded"...just looks like they changed the time of day/direct sunlight/saturation.

Watch this, E3 gameplay-
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Then watch this, most recent build gameplay -
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Downgrade? Where?

NewMonday865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@Abriael
you should get your own source where you can confirm the quality of the material you have, you jumped the gun on this one.

sloppy reporting Abriael, you can do better.
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the difference here is the lighting, first obvious thing is that it's a different time of day

and the lighting is more subtle in the new shots, where in the old shots they are to strong, making object in the shadow hard to make out.

also notice the character textures in the new shots are actually better, and no change is apparent to the rest of the game world textures.

arika865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Watchdogs maybe downgraded because its multiplatform, but expect Infamous Second Son to be the standard for next gen graphics since its ps4 only exclusive not in pc or xbone, so believe me this game is going to something special and amazing.

FlunkinMonkey865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

You must really be dim brother.. It's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME OF DAY!

I know how you guys just LOVE images using too much contrast and sharpness, but the new build is clearly better.

You also provide an inadequate comparison, with some images being compressed to fack.

This is a complete fail, revealing your true colours partner.

For the same morons who moan about PS4 owners spouting BS in MS articles, you, lifeisgameok, ArbitorChief are doing a fine job.

Hypocrites. Try harder, this looks miles ahead of anything on the XBone.

abzdine865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

haha you fail!
the "new" Delsin clearly has a better defined face and your 2 pictures show that.
does it hurt your **** that this "downgraded" game looks better than anything out there? keep trolling but you will FAIL everytime :)

While some are feeding us garbage and CG graphics about their games and clearly downgrade it the day it releases, others like Sucker Punch step their game up and deliver.

Ezz2013865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

oh dear ...oh dear,
the time of day is different ..so let's call it "Downgrade"

didn't expect this from you @Abriael
always liked your articles but not this time

Abriael865d ago

@NewMonday: you say that I should get better sources , and then you proceed to say exactly the same thing I wrote? Double personality?

I wrote that there's a large difference, not that there's a large downgrade (or upgrade). And there is. The quality of the videos has nothing to do with it, as it doesn't change the lighting, doesn't add or remove elements of the environment, which are the differences here.

Only fanboys (either looking to flamebait or to be overly defensive) would read "difference" as "downgrade," because there surely isn't a single mention of a change in QUALITY in the whole article.

@Ezz2013: you didn't expect what? Me to show the evolution of a game in nine months of development? Weird, because it's not the first time I do it, and not the first time people completely misrepresent it in order to flame over it.

arika865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Next time don't put flamebait titles, so it won't be misinterpreted as such. Instead of radical differences put big lighting changes or infamous ss added some night and day details on previous footages, etc. You kind a get my drift, because this game is touted to be a system seller(I for one believe it is), so you cant blame gamers to be a little touchy on the subject matter.

LightofDarkness865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Well, I played it last night. The cutscenes look outstanding, but the actual gameplay has suffered a bit. Characters don't really cast shadows any more, and the lighting appears quite flat (probably due to absence of self-shadowing or ambient occlusion). It still looks great, and even reaches ~60FPS at times, but to say that it hasn't been downgraded in any way is definitely a tad dishonest. The devs themselves even said they had to make some sacrifices, particularly with shadowing, so I don't know why everyone is getting so defensive. They figured the particle effects were more important to the game's aesthetic than most other elements. It still looks beautiful, just not AS beautiful as it might have with more time or slightly stronger hardware.

4Sh0w865d ago

pffft "time of day is different" and dualshockers were being polite with "differences"= excuses for downgrade. Seriously Im sure infamous SS is still going to be a great game but looking at those pics compared to E3 it's an OBVIOUS downgrade in graphics. It is what it is and infamous SS still looks great, heck of alot better than DR3 which is my favorite next gen game but it has been downgraded without a doubt, ironicly some supposedly can see the minor differences in games like BF4 on X1 and ps4 but they can't see a obvious downgrade here, not to worry though infamous is still a beautiful open world game I just think it's BS that Watch Dogs was heavily criticized but this game get a pass.

Abriael865d ago

@arika: "difference" is a completely neutral term. It's not positive or negative. "radical" is also completely neutral.

I'm not exactly sure where you see the "flamebait."

The only correct thing you've said is that people are way too touchy.

Ezz2013865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@Abriael

here's the thing
any one would see your article and the first thing that come to their mind that this is either downgrade or upgrade article
and as you can see xbox fanboys wasted no time declare that the game is downgraded even though any one with a working brain would know it just a different time in the day
also those pics look really bad quality wise
are they taken from youtube video ?!

you should have picked a better headline than this

arika865d ago

@Abriael
After the watchdogs fiasco about downgrade in graphics and after seeing your headline of your article what do you think people will say? See. And radical is kind of a strong word to use. Just say added night and day cycle or something.

Kayant865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@4Sh0w

Yh so obvious because it is indeed a different time of day with sun clearly not as visible due to the clouds.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

http://www.dailymotion.com/...

In the new video it is clear like they said with more direct lighting you will get your dynamic shadows which you can see from around 7:60. Look at the rocks shadows are present just like they were in E3.

So please show where this *MASSIVE DOWNGRADE* comes from when the only real differences is the shadows around their faces .

Abriael865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@Ezz2013: the quality of the picture doesn't change the lighting, which is the point of the comparison.

If people are looking with a lens for any chance to flamebait, warping a completely neutral article and headline into a negative one, joke's on them. Time to be less touchy, because it's getting ridiculous.

@arika: radical is a strong word, but it's not strongly negative or strongly positive. The change is radical, because the original lighting *was* radical. The new one isn't, which is probably on purpose because the original lighting effectively hid expressions, as the pictures clearly show.

As a matter of fact, I believe it's an artistic choice, and while it's aesthetics are subjective, I completely agree with it from a storytelling point of view.

If people can't understand that, I can't help them.

@Newmonday: so I should skip reporting on the facts because Trolls don't care about them?

@Arika Below: you know better than me that people that want to troll would have found the chance to whatever the headline was.

The matter isn't that the headline is a problem. The matter is that people are way too eager to jump on everything because nowadays they NEED a smoking gun against the other console, whatever that console is, and that's stifling.

No_Limit865d ago

Whoa, that is some major changes from last year to the final game. What is going on here?

Ezz2013865d ago

@Abriael

i'm not talking about the lighting that's normal because it show different time in the day

i'm talking about the pics it self
is it coming from youtube video because it look really bad

arika865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@abriael
But you see because of your headline some trolling people are making it a negative issue. My point exactly. Just choose a better headline next time ok. Im sure downplaying or downgrading infamous ss wasnt your intention, but this is n4g and you know there is a lot of spinning happening here from both side of the camp. Ok.

NewMonday865d ago

@Abriael

I know the screenshots are from bad compressed sources so I knew to ignore the blur and bad resolution quality and talked about the constant which is lighting.

but the trolls don't care about facts, you see from some comments here they wasted no time.

TheGreatAndPowerful865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Shadows took a bit of a hit but that's about it the rest looks about the same. And I didn't see any jaggies at all from last nights footage so...

for those that didn't get a chance to download the vid last night. enjoy. :)
http://thepiratebay.se/torr...

inveni0865d ago

It almost looks like a time of day + filter is all that's changed. Shadows aren't as harsh (ToD), and there's a bit of an orange overlay (could be a filter or the light of the early morning sun). Doesn't look worse, that's for sure. This isn't another Watch Dogs fiasco, thank the Punch.

Clarence865d ago

The difference is the time of day. Stop it your reaching.

Baccra17865d ago

And once again, as usual, the PS4 is being treated like the red headed step child of the game industry. So eager to paint greatness with the same brush as the Bone and Wii U that we have to make these stupid articles, constantly, every f-ing time so that certain gamers can feel good about their purchase of inferior hardware at ridiculous prices. ENOUGH!

Cuzzo63865d ago

@irishguy
you chance to shine with one bubble and you jus made yourself look silly lmao. Sorry try again next time

razrye865d ago

Bad attempt at trolling irish. Try harder next time.

abzdine865d ago

i dont see the problem with the title, cause apart from the time of the day i can see a "radical" change in environment and background.
the title fits well in this case, doesn't always have to be about graphics.
Remember Cole from Infamous 2 and the design change after? that's a radical change regardless of graphical quality.

NewMonday865d ago

@Abriael
"so I should skip reporting on the facts because Trolls don't care about them?"

you should make the FULL facts clear from the beginning, like how the bad video quality adds blur and makes the textures seem worse.

you usually do good work, don't take this as hate, it's constructive criticism.

just let it go this time, do a few other good articles and people will forget about this.

4Sh0w865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@Kayant

bro I'm not referring to lighting as Abriael said below:
"Abriael  +&am p;#1 60;  3h ago

Too bad all the pictures in the comparison come from Youtube. From the first to the last." 

The source of both the E3 2013 pics AND the recent build are BOTH Youtube. Look at the pics:

http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

There is is an obvious downgrade in the textures in his jacket and the overall quality of the environments. You know it's a downgrade when half the comments here are trying to blame it on YouTube compression, which is basicly an admission that it doesn't look as good as E3 and the other half are saying it's because of "time of day lighting", but how does any of that change texture detail, which is outstanding for a open world game in the E3 pics????

You know what I don't care the over analyzing games has become ridiculous, INFAMOUS SS STILL LOOKS LIKE AN AWESOME GAME and if the devs had to scale back a bit to make sure it PLAYS WELL then that's what's important, THE ONLY POINT I have is I think it's BS that just last week Watch Dogs got ripped apart for the exact same thing, now it's OK as long as you throw in a poor excuse.

dantesparda865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

@irish

A massive dive guy? really? Talk about exaggerating. Also, thee 1st shot is 1080p vs 720p on the 2nd shot from a compressed video. The biggest difference is the time of day lighting and some minor differences. You wanna talk about a massive difference, lets talk about how all the X1 games looked at E3 when they were all running at 1080p and the final products most of which are 720p. And now suddenly graphics matter again to the MS fanboys. Why?

@lifeisagame
"Radical difference"
They should have just said "downgrade"

You mean like with every X1 game thus far, but you dont have a problem with that, that you actually defend. Typical fanboy.

@4Sh0w
"it's an OBVIOUS downgrade in graphics"
No its not, its an obvious time of day lighting change. I'll admit that i like the old lighting better but I love how hard you fanboys are trying to put this down, shall i use some of the MS fanboys logic here, youse must be jealous, lol.

esemce865d ago

You are 100% correct Irishguy95, you have made the kids that worship at the alter of the single console cry. They really do not want to accept that we have all been sold a lie and that these consoles are underpower to say they need to last 5+ years.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Will watchdogs and Second son be good games, yes have they been downgraded absolutely.

chickenface865d ago

o look, arguably the biggest xbot troll boy smashing a playstation exclusive to shreds. wow, i'm so so so so sooooooooooooo suprised. Listen here, no matter how much you rant, rave and bring this game down it's still going to be fantastic and the graphics will be stunning. You aren't even going to purchase this game, you don't have an interest in it AND you haven't played it

keep your troll comments to yourself

Ma1nframe865d ago

WOW what a downgrade. WTF is going on with this 'next gen'eration. I'm not liking this trend one bit.

Visiblemarc865d ago

At this rate, devs are going to get terrified to show us in-progress builds.

Yes, it does seem that some aspects are less detailed. However, what jumps out most is the lighting seems to be much less contrast-y.

At the end of the day, this is an extremely good looking early-in-the-gen game. What else matters? Should they have stood at the podium at E3 and explained that "these are target renders...depending how things go some details may or may not make it into the final build." What a showstopper!

kenshiro100865d ago

Oh look its Irishguy spreading misinformation again. You just couldn't wait huh?

MorePowerOfGreen865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

I normally could care less about PS4 news but I had to say that I can't believe folks think it's only the lighting. Looks like PS3 vs PS4. Textures, lighting, texture resolution, poly count, shadowing are surprisingly worse. Not surprised with Sony having a history of tricking gamers over the capability of their consoles. Being on youtube isn't hiding the current I.S.S true visuals, it's hiding how deep the difference really is between the E3 and current build.

Jack_Reacher865d ago

What a waste of air you are.

I bet you thought after reading the addendum at the bottom, thats the bit in pink, you thought I know I will still act like a little boy and put something really baby like.

Wow I bet you even p*ssed yourself a little as you typed away that trash.

what a waste

RedDevils864d ago

Nice try kiddo with 2 set of resolution image and called it a massive dive in graphics, who's you trying to fool here lol

NukaCola861d ago

Have you seen the game now? It's streaming online and does not look downgraded at all.

Bigpappy861d ago

He does look better with the lower quality. he doesn't body as mean.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory860d ago

Disagree(279)

O_O

This site is PRO SONY

LMAO!

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mcarsehat865d ago

They are worse, but only by a little bit. still look nice. I'll give the same reaction i gave for watch_dogs: I CAN'T WAIT!!

us_army865d ago

From someone who has played the final build, the game has not been downgraded. As stated by the author of this article as well- it is the best looking next-gen game out there. You will see on the 21st.

Cupid_Viper_3865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

I'm sorry to say, but if that was my game being misrepresented like this I Would consider legal actions.

The author is comparing uncompressed footage Vs compressed ones at half the final resolution (1080p Vs Compressed 720p). But to make matters worse, the article completely fails to mention any of that, resulting in serious and potentially damaging conclusion of the game whilst profiting from said outcome by getting g traffic to his website.

If the game was truly downgraded, then all of this would have been well deserved. But when a developer works so hard against industry trends (bullshots and misrepresentations) and maintains the visual fidelity of his game, said developer should be rewarded for it. Not have some sloppy/hasty "writer" discredit all of his hard work for clicks' sake.

People are complaining about the headline, I don't even care much about the headline to be honest. But the f**king pictures being compared have to be consistent. If a game is 1080p, why the fack would you choose it's compressed 720p version as a measuring stick of any sorts?

What the author did is similar to taking a picture of real money then walk into a store and try to use that picture as currency.

Soo stupid if you ask me.

thisismyaccount865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Abriael said :

"difference" does not mean downgrade. It doesn't mean upgrade. It means "difference." It's different. Not necessarily worse or better. Just different.

yep and <radical> means <radical: ENORMOUS, EXTREME, FUNDAMENTALLY!!! UNBELIVEABLE! WTF!!!!>. Next time come up with a better title then, ....

RADICAL DIFFERENCE = HOLY MADERUFGOT DAONGREID! euphemism ?!

i see : copy&pasta Title from the orginal source/article, still ... could have changed it a little.

solar865d ago

I clearly see a difference especially in the textures

GarrusVakarian865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

"I clearly see a difference especially in the textures"

In that comparison you do, but this is a much fairer comparison -

E3 screenshot -
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

Newest build screenshot -
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Clearly you can see that his jacket and beanie are the same in detail and texture. Delsins face also looks more detailed and has better skin tone in the newer build.

Compare E3 build to low quality YouTube stills then, obviously, you will see a difference.

solar865d ago

looks damn good, but the texture for the beanie looks far better in the first pic. 2nd pic it looks too flat.

assdan865d ago

I acknowledge that the graphics aren't quite as good, but theres a major problem with these screen shots. Mainly the fact that they are at different times of day. This makes it harder to tell how much worse shadows are changed.

TheRedButterfly865d ago

The environments still look great, but… but there's no denying the more-than-apparent drop in shading on the character models. They took a big hit.

GarrusVakarian865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

Character models did NOT take a hit......I can't believe people are actually using these low quality youtube stills as representation of the final game.

Newest build screenshot, direct feed 1080p (how it will look on your TV) -
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Screenshot in the article from low quality, 720p youtube footage-
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

E3 build screenshot-
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

The newest build looks better than both.......Cmon people......use a bit of common sense. Screenshots captured from a Youtube video is a stupid way of gauging how the game will actually look in person. There are direct feed screenshots everywhere that do that much more accurately.

TheRedButterfly865d ago

@Lukas

I didn't say that the models took a hit. I said the shaders on the models took a hit… And even then, they still look great.

Stop getting overly defensive.

Amiroo865d ago

what time of the day ? the game only has day and night, there is no sunset/midnight/sunrise etc...

imt558865d ago

It's very bad comparison. Build 2014 pictures are really bad quality. Look at 4th and 5th picture.

4th picture is in good quality, but 5th picture is in so bad quality that you can't see coat on his collar.

ABSOLUTELY THERE IS NO WORD ABOUT DOWNGRADE!

ChronoJoe865d ago

Having played this last week at a store, I can tell you all of these screenshots missrepresent the games visual fidelity. Click the images on the article, you'll see they're all pixelated and ugly, this is NOT how the game looks just these low-quality, compressed screenshots.

Check the video at the bottom of the article for a better representation.

BallsEye865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

I dont really care about graphics much but if you do not see a massive downgrade in lighting you are blind or in denial. You guys gotta stop pretending to be experts and talk bs when things are just so obvious. are almost nonexistent now and blurred. Also at e3 build there was some kind of global illumination, now everything is baked and flat. Don't blame it on time of the day. I work on Maya and 3ds daily,rendering all kinds of scenes using worlds most powerful renderer (vray) and changing time of the day do not make such dramatic differences. The truth is, lighting technique got changed from dynamic shadows and global illumination to baked. Can downvote me all you want but it won't change a thing. Get some knowledge. As for the game itself, probably will finally make me use my ps4 again...

Azzanation864d ago

The lighting and shadowing and the high res textures are clearly better on the E3 2013 version. Look at the 2013 faces and jeans? The jacket pockets and background seems to have proper shadows. They made it blend in the 2014 and the colour setting looks dull compared to the bright sunset images. The Jeans are the biggest differences I can see. 2014 has no textures on it compared to the 2013 which looks close to photo realistic. Guess they lose these great effects to run the game at 1080p. Pitty I would rather have the Lighting/shadowing and Textures of the 2013 and lose the 1080p.

JsonHenry863d ago (Edited 863d ago )

There is a very noticeable lack of shadow quality in the newest pictures. That stands out more than anything to me from looking at those pictures. The actual characters look the same but the lighting effects are obviously not the same.

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CyrusLemont865d ago

E3 looks better, but the retail version still looks fantastic. However, the E3 version has the advantage of 1080p compressed YouTube screencaps as opposed to 720p compressed retail ones. This makes it a little difficult to see how fine the clothing and environment textures are in comparison to the E3 build.

I wonder if the day one patch will make any alterations to the visuals.

Reverie990865d ago (Edited 865d ago )

It appears to be more "flat" (for the lack of a better term) but that might just be time difference. I'll wait to see more.

Patrick_pk44865d ago

Delsin's face seems more mouldy and plastered in the current build.

ArbitorChief865d ago

Sony lied to us about how a game looks, my word, this has never happened before!?
>Killzone 2

Seriously, it's getting to the point where I can't trust anything I see at E3. Only company that seems to tell the truth these days is Nintendo.

richierich865d ago

True I just hope that in future E3's they will actually show footage running on the consoles hardware instead of a high powered PC